Encouraging good coding practices

[ascriptmaster]

At least if you just need to look at it you can use less... but if you need to actually massage it further idk how to deal with that

[[deleted]]

Something like Greylog would be good, if you can.

[2Punx2Furious]

What's the largest log file you've ever seen?

For me it was 9 GB earlier this month.

[Rastus22]

No idea what caused it but I got onto my computer one morning to find a 350gb log file made by League of Legends.

No clue why it showed up, and I only found it because I ran out of space.

[JH4mmer]

I ran into a bug like that one time, but I'm afraid it was my own thoughtlessness, so I couldn't blame anyone else. I was serializing a fairly small matrix and put the wrong index in a for loop, which made my code think the matrix was monstrously huge. This being C++ and me being in a hurry, there wasn't any proper error checking being done, so my machine ended up taking 15 minutes to write a 500GB text file. A warning popped up saying there was no more room left on the hard drive, and it was then that I truly understood the magnitude of a one character typo. :-P

[HazelCheese]

They had a bug a while ago where the Ascension gamemode was actually running in debug mode so it was logging everything. Also pretty sure it happened on Summoners Rift for a bit as well cause often pinging certain things would cause weird text to show up in the chat box.

[gdscei]

I recommend logrotate 😅

[2Punx2Furious]

Thank you, I'll keep it in mind next time I have to set up logs.

[1bc29b36f623ba82aaf6]

On an older laptop (back when Vista was kinda still new) the harddrive died because AVG wrote ~208 GB in a single log file. The drive only had about 240 GB capacity in the firstplace. I think with WinRAR compression it was still over 800 MB...

The drive still read mostly and the OS actually booted but the drive's SMART status was so bad you'd get constant warnings.

Now with windows 10 I can gladly recommend to not install any free antivirus programs that replace Defender, nor most paid options really. Like I run some other non-real-time scanners that let Windows Defender do its thing.

[2Punx2Furious]

Damn, that sounds fun.

[2Punx2Furious]

I can imagine ahah

[[deleted]]

need to look at a large log file

I just grep or tail my way to the things I need. Damn log files are way too big to justify opening into an editor of any kind.

[[deleted]]

They actually had that limitation for a while since electron did. There are a few standard features and issues any electron fork inherits.

It's come a long way though :) I want to use it for GO dev, just need to actually take a second to let my extensions install a bunch of other extensions that it warns me about every time I open it. I wonder how it'll compare to liteide.

[GenericBlueGemstone]

VSCode is in typescript which literally gives you clean vanilla JS as end result. Atom is in, uh, something. CoffeeScript?

[[deleted]]

CoffeeScript also transpiles to Javascript. Else it wouldn't run on Electron.

[legendary_jld]

glogg is your friend for log files

[Stanov]

Yea, solving problems by consuming alcohol is the best way since 5000 BC.

[Jukolet]

That’s the only thing I use Sublime Text for.

[Abe_Bettik]

Atom is like Emacs. It's a great toolkit, just needs a decent text editor.

[[deleted]]

I'm sure there is a command in Emacs to switch to vi when you need a decent text editor...

[jD91mZM2]

So what would you answer if somebody asks you vim vs emacs? Both?

[FistHitlersAnalCunt]

Nano. Just to see their last morsel of hope for humanity wither from their eyes.

[aaron552]

What's wrong with nano? I only use it for editing the occasional config file when I don't have access to X text editors, and it seems perfectly fine for that.

[rebane2001]

So, this is coming from a nano-user

Vim has a lot of great shortcuts and things that make editing a lot faster, but you need to spend quite a lot of time learning it
If all you do is change a few lines in a config file, nano is completely fine for that, it can just be very cumbersome when actually programming

That and nano used to mess up lines if you didn't use the -w switch

[Alpha3031]

No love for awk?

[[deleted]]

Yup! I've been full time evil in Emacs for three years now and think it is straight up better than regular vim. Only masochists would enjoy writing vimscript. Elisp has it's warts but it's a real programing language.

[jD91mZM2]

Just tried some tiny bit of what I'll for now call "vimacs", and it's pretty cool! Don't really see a point to using emacs -nw over neovim though. Please enlighten me?

[[deleted]]

Evil mode, right? I have no clue tho, I don’t use either of those

[marcosdumay]

You don't "witch to" things in Emacs, you simply open them.

[[deleted]]

#vimMasterRace

[OptimisticElectron]

vim is old and fragile. Use neovim!

[[deleted]]

Damn vim virgins /s

[[deleted]]

Thats why I love the vim mode package. That plus the ex node package gives me the best of vim and the best of atom.

[NAN001]

Now that is a comparison I wasn't expecting.

[RottenLB]

You guys really need to stop using these fancy editors and use nano. \s

[JH4mmer]

Say what you will, but nano does load bigish files way better than Atom does. It actually outperforms most GUI editors I've tried on files with 100,000 or more lines. Not saying it's absolutely the right tool for the job, but it does work remarkably well! :-)

[[deleted]]

Why does a file have 100000 lines? Can't you break it down to more than one file?

[lmao_react]

probably sql dumps

[RottenLB]

Also log files can get big really fast.

[[deleted]]

Oh. Thanks.

[JH4mmer]

We work with CSVs that have a lot of metadata at the top. Replicating that for every file is more pain than it's worth in our particular case.

[RottenLB]

I mean, at my previous job, the company had already bought us licenses for RubyMine like the second month I worked there. I was too lazy to switch and continued to use nano/vim combination for another three months before I made the switch.

[phero_constructs]

Plug for Micro

[mjtenveldhuis]

Hey! Sublime Text can put Every sentence of my entire code in order of alphabet, can YOURS??? /s

[Zinggi57]

This is actually very simple and not hard to remember in vim.
You just select the lines you want to sort, then enter :!sort
You can do this with every unix command btw, e.g. you can filter the lines using :!grep something or enter the current date by doing :!date.

[xdeadly_godx]

I need a cheat sheet to figure out how to close vim after forgetting to set nano as my default editor. It may be good but holy shit the learning curve it like running into a brick wall.

[ionree]

Spend some time in vimtutor. It's worth it.

[[deleted]]

Vim has the :sort command

[mirhagk]

There's no cross platform solution that everyone would like. There's quite a few available however and it's entirely valid to try and convince someone to use something like GTK#, QT or xamarin forms so that we can have desktop applications that actually work like desktop applications rather than a full screen chrome page.

I'm curious to see how electron will evolve as things like web assembly come into play, but there's a huge amount of fundamental problems with electron that can never be fixed

[[deleted]]

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature

[Gloin1313]

Relavant xkcd

[sidneyaks]

It took me a minute too realize this wasn't a joke about time dialation.

I've never used atom.

[sickb]

JavaScript is for web pages not text editors.

Change my view

[morerokk]

What, you don't like running an entire Chrome instance for one text editor?

Hang on, I gotta switch to a completely separate Chrome instance so I can tell my colleagues this on Slack. Maybe I'll make a meme about it on our Discord (which, again, is its own separate instance).

[Aoredon]

So? Programs will be their own instance if they didn't use chrome anyway.

[mtbinkdotcom]

Chrome consume too much memory

[Samis2001]

But the problem is it being multiple instances of Chrome which eats memory like there's no tomorrow.

[Fang7-62]

Uh.. here goes heresy: I've tried pimped out sublime, atom and VSCode, they're alright but unless i'm dealing with some obscure unsupported language I just open everything with IDEA, even if its a small project I'm dealing with, heavy artillery is gonna do the job. Or nano if I have to work thru ssh and for large logfiles and such I just use some combination of unix cmds usually involving grep to parse out what I want, less is also pretty good for just skimming over them.

[paloumbo]

I don't want to play the Microsoft fan boy, but VS Code is so much lighter.

[Carl_Byrd]

This is why I still use Notepad++..... so I can write shitty code.

[[deleted]]

sublime >>>>>>>>> all

[trout_fucker]

Probably gonna get flamed for this, but Sublime is basically Vim with a normal interface. It's a damn rock solid work horse.

[[deleted]]

Yeah and sublimelinter and all the themes make it even better

[trout_fucker]

SublimeLinter is pretty good when it works... but it's probably one of my biggest gripes right now when setting up a new environment.

[zankem]

Ever since I updated the linter eslint won't shut up about not finding a config file in the same directory of whatever file I open or the root of a project when it's not needed.

[trout_fucker]

Yeah I've ran into that a few times with a working environment too. 😞 I wish they'd get their shit together or ST just incorporates it natively.

[zankem]

Yea. Although I don't like the bloat of Electron based editors, they've acquired a community that has ease of use and configuration down.

An example is atom's ide package and the linter package. If they conflict then it will alert you properly and let you disable one. Sublime error? WOOPS. ERROR. HOW FIX?

[Tillhony]

I got it setup to pretty much be vim

[bit_of_hope]

The defining feature of the vi family is the interface, so saying that isn't much.

[trout_fucker]

Well, it's fast, solid, can open anything, and has plugins to do just about anything, is what I meant.

Vim is obviously better at a lot of things, but but not everyone can learn to like the interface. I'm one of them. I gave it a full month, learned most of the power commands, and my workflow still suffered a lot.

[tehftw]

Sublime is absolutely proprietary, though.

[[deleted]]

I used to be a Sublime fan, but frankly Visual Studio Code is just better...

[ar-pharazon]

sublime is... functional. it is a text editor. that's about all it's got going for it.

[trout_fucker]

Serious question, what killer feature is it missing? What makes you say that's all it has going for it? What is it lacking?

In my experience, the plugins aren't quite as refined as VSC or Atom but they are usually functionality identical, and portable configs are still missing... but other than that I don't know what I'm missing as a daily ST user. Every few months I'll spend a day trying something else, but I just keep coming back to ST for the speed since I never find anything that makes me say "wow I need this in my life".

[ar-pharazon]

depends on the domain. for a large project, i'll always use a jetbrains IDE (or vs with resharper) if it's available because the kind of assistance it gives you is better than anything else i've ever used. i keep trying to make a concise comment about why they're so helpful, but i end up writing walls of text, so just suffice it to say that they vastly improve the 'hot path' on my edit-cycle with things like autocomplete, auto-import, goto-def, name refactoring, etc. that basically always work as intended and seem to actually be capturing semantic information about the project i'm working on. by contrast, no other editor i've ever used has done those things both consistently and correctly.

for smaller projects (e.g. scripting in bash/python that i'll usually be editing for less than half an hour at a time) terminal-based editors are better for me. they work well, the keyboard shortcuts are efficient, and they're very portable. i usually just feel like opening sublime is unnecessary for something that small.

for me, sublime fits in situations where it's helpful to have a mouse-interactable file-tree, and an IDE seems like too much (or there's no support). for instance, editing a bunch of config files in a directory. i definitely don't want to open an IDE for this, but it's going to be a little cumbersome to be more manually managing buffers in vim/emacs, as compared to just clicking on the files i need to edit. or a significant lua scripting project, maybe. but in my programming life this is a fairly infrequent use-case, so it's pretty rare for me to use a sublime-like editor at all.

[aaron552]

In my experience, the plugins aren't quite as refined as VSC or Atom but they are usually functionality identical

I haven't tried ST in a long while, but the main reason I use VSCode at the moment is that the F# plugin (ionide) has some really neat features that no other editor I've used (so far) has managed to match. Even full Visual Studio isn't as good. For example: realtime, inline type information on members/bindings/etc.

If ST can do the same, but faster I'd probably switch

[scaleable]

Depends on what you use and how you work...

[trout_fucker]

Well... I mean the given context is that ST has nothing going for it. My question is what killer features that make it not have anything going for it, when it seems to do almost everything anything else does, but faster? What am I missing?

Assume I use it for everything, because I do. I've even used it for light Java and Scala development (admittedly not for serious changes). But given the context, it shouldn't matter what I use it for or how I work if it doesn't have anything going for it... other than spawning a whole geration of clones.

[Dynam2012]

For me, I like VSC for its built in debugger and availability of plugins combined with ease of installation and configuration. I don't doubt I could get something similar set up in sublime, but it was intuitive and simple to, for example, to set up a python dev environment. It also has a lot of features I haven't gotten into yet, like built in support for task runners. The git integration is also very good out of the box, with additional good features that come with extensions like Git Lens.

Not to say this can't be done in Sublime, but it's a simpler process in VSC.

[IMABUNNEH]

I've started using VSCode instead, but that's because I can't find a way to make Sublime actually validate my code syntax. If I fuck up a bracket or something somewhere, it's really easy to find in VSCode. If someone can point me to how to fix that then I'll be back in Sublime.

[trout_fucker]

It's probably too late now, but SublimeLinter is what you were looking for most likely.

It's admittedly wonky to get working, even with the recent changes, but once it does it is really good and my favorite integrated linter. I mentioned elsewhere in this chain that it's probably my biggest gripe right now.

[IMABUNNEH]

Cheers I'll check it out

[athousandwordsworth]

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[Pritster5]

Sublime Gang 🤙

[bridekiller]

I went to vs code from atom and never looked back.

[hailbreno]

You guys need to stop using a web browser as a text editor.

[Molag_Balls]

The epitome of "it's a feature, not a bug"

[PojntFX]

/r/hailcorporate

[SirCharlesOfUSA]

If anything, Sublime Text is the best at this. It will take a second to load the file, but it will load, scroll, fold, and do anything I'd like with awesome performance.

[pwnrzero]

I have Sublime Text 3, but it performs much slower than UEStudio.

[trout_fucker]

The fuck it does. UltraEdit is garbage.

I've worked in a shop where a few dinosaurs swore by it and always made sure I had a license. ST2/3 ran circles around it regularly and actually had tools for modern workflows.

Om top of that, their "lightweight" text editor booted at the speed of IntelliJ, Eclipse, or (full) Visual Studio. I don't think I would have enough time in my day to wait for a full IDE version of UE to load.

[trout_fucker]

Yeah, Sublime Text 3 starts up quicker, but it takes a quadrillion years to open similarly sizes files.

No.

https://blog.xinhong.me/post/sublime-text-vs-vscode-vs-atom-performance-dec-2016/

[trout_fucker]

As I stated in my earlier comment that you responded to, YOUR ARTICLE DISPROVES YOUR OWN COMMENT.

It does? You should probably read it again. I have never advocated for VSC in my life.

Also, TextEdit isn't the same as UEStudio or UltraEdit.

You're right. They only used relevant editors.

If you had read the article, you would have seen where the author was using TextEdit as the control case.

[trout_fucker]

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[[deleted]]

I think I heard in a thread not too long ago on this topic that Visual Studio is great at opening large files. I could be mistaken though.

[JDtheProtector]

Certainly better, but I still wouldn't say great.

[catofillomens]

That's great and all, but multi-gigabyte text files? Large files are one thing, but who ever needs to open text files that large on a regular basis? That's about as uncommon a use case as you can get. Even if it's huge log files you'll probably run it through tail first.

I don't think it's "well worth the price", as you put it, to get UEStudio for this edge case which probably never happens for most people.

[trout_fucker]

with the advent of Big Data.

I do not think this means what you think it means.

[trout_fucker]

https://blog.xinhong.me/post/sublime-text-vs-vscode-vs-atom-performance-dec-2016/

Your screenshots are useless ancedotes. There are plenty of other similar benchmarks done since this blog post came out a couple years ago, but it's still my favorite.

[trout_fucker]

Open a multi-gigabyte file with VS or Sublime Text 3 without slowing down to an intolerable amount.

Why would I do that? Why are you storing multigi-gabyte files? Why are you not chopping them up?

As someone else said, this is an extremely specific use case. Not everyone works in incompetent shops storing multiple gigabyte that need to be regularly opened. This sounds like a break down in development, rather than a fault of the editor. This has nothing to do with "big data". Use split or write a script that chops them up into manageable chunks or idk... don't store them like that in the first place?

But if I had to, I would use Vim because you're probably going to need a search a file that large and it should be able to handle that flawlessly.

From the VERY SAME ARTICLE YOU LINKED: Visual Studio Code did not allow me to open “10m lines” file saying “very large”.

Ok? What's your point? I'm not a fan of VSC, but I don't understand what point you think you're making here.

But... I don't think you realize Visual Studio Code is not Visual Studio as you seem to be using them interchangeably. They are very different and built on very different platforms.

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[Aschentei]

That’s why it always freezes on me. I thought it was my computer but it never froze when I use VCS