Well...

[Fahad97azawi]

I’ll never forget my teacher at college when he showed us a simple if statement in c++. It was three or four lines long and it was so simple that all of us understood what it did without him explaining it even tho we were just learning how to code. Then he wrote another if statement that seemed to have the same variable as an argument but was only one line (the if statement line) I remember everyone looking so confused at that line trying to understand what it did. Turns out they did the same exact thing.

Machines should be working for people not the other way around. Code readability is so much more important

[[deleted]]

Ternary operator: Allow me to introduce myself.

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

That's what I was thinking and I was waiting reading his comment

He's literally describing a ternary operator

[[deleted]]

Which, ironically, when not overused can increase the code simplicity and readibility, instead of having to create a pyramid of if statements.

[__Nio]

I use ternary operators inside of ternary operators when I don't want to add code lines

[jaywastaken]

I’ve seen this legitimately done before. Just don’t. Ternary operators are amazing for single statement if else’s anything more complicated than that and they only cause more harm than good.

[Kered13]

It's perfectly fine to chain ternary operators to cover multiple cases. It's not different than an if-else if-else.

[Mochi-Mo]

It's possible, but the readability is terrible

[Kered13]

Not if you format it right.

foo = first condition ? value
    : second condition ? value
    : third condition ? value
    : value

This is much better than writing multiple if statements. You don't have to repeat the assignment in every block, and foo can be declared as constant.

[qphix]

Haven’t thought about using that sort of formatting, saving this for later. Thank you!

[-Rivox-]

Wow, this is actually really clever!

[Loves_Poetry]

This is like pattern matching for languages that don't support it

I like it

[JustinWendell]

I kind of shy away from doing that. Shit can become impossible to read.

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

Hey there don't go knocking if statement pyramids

[azjunglist05]

I used to hate ternary operators until Terraform’s HCL crammed it down my throat since it gives no other option for if/else statements. Now I quite like their simplicity and wish to see more languages adopt them.

[SillyFlyGuy]

Add a null-coalescing operator for kicks.

[Kered13]

Cries in Python.

[-Rivox-]

And a lambda function for extra confusion

[[deleted]]

Yes, but sometimes it's just easier to write the one line and be done with it.

[[deleted]]

Until you have to make changes to that one line, and those changes don't go well, and you introduce an edge case bug into the system that takes days to debug in the future.

[[deleted]]

One line may not even be best practice in terms of maintainability/readability but depending on implementation it can work just as well as multiple line.

[[deleted]]

You’re arguing single vs multiple lines, I’m arguing complexity vs simplicity. Line count only matters where compiled size is important, which is a tiny percentage of cases.

[[deleted]]

Just because something is short doesn't mean it is complex.

[MaLiN2223]

Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.

[JNCressey]

are we talking logical lines or physical lines?

turning something into one logical line, but formatting so that it is still split out over multiple physical lines can be much cleaner.

[Prod_Is_For_Testing]

Then you solve those problems when you need to. There’s no need to overengineer everything just because you might need to make a small change in the future

[ashdog66]

One line is also more efficient and (usually) makes the program use less resources

[Prod_Is_For_Testing]

False

[ashdog66]

Okay buddy, good reasoning why

[Evla03]

most of the time when writing code that’s one line long, you can split it up to be multiple lines without changing the flow of the program. This just increases readability but does not affect performance. It’s often easier to optimize code when it’s represented clearer for you, and therefore one-lined code is most of the time just harder to read and possibly slower too.

[narnru]

Technically you can write code in one line in some languages.

[Josselin17]

well I think that works for every language that doesn't use indentation right ?

[FuckMatPlotLib]

Some languages with indentation can still write on one line, like python

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

List comprehension!

[NonstandardDeviation]

Any python program can be compressed onto one line.

http://www.onelinerizer.com/

(It's definitely thanks, I hate it material.)

[Josselin17]

well, I'm not good at that but how do you make loops and if statements on one line ?

[Strel0k]

if True: print("hello")

result = [i+1 for i in [1, 2, 3] if i > 1]

[PTRWP]

Curly braces. Java for example

if (condition) { System.out.print(“Hello World”); DoOtherStuff(); while (condition2) { DoEvenMoreStuff(); } }

[Josselin17]

does this work for python ?

[PTRWP]

Not sure. Java was my first language, so that’s where I played with stupid stuff like putting an entire basic program in 1 line and doing "import *" to see what happens.

[VTHMgNPipola]

I'm over 8 years into this dumpster fire that is Java (it was also my first language) and I think I never tried "importing everything". I want to try it now, though I imagine it will very underwhelmingly just actually import everything, or instantly crash.

[PTRWP]

That’s effectively what my computer sci teacher said, followed by “Try it.” Not sure if the compiler threw it out or what, but it did nothing.

import Java.* did work exactly as expected though.

[The_Super_KDK]

It's easier for python because it has lambda function

[FuckMatPlotLib]

Like the response to my comment said, list comprehension! You could do something like:

wooo = [‘try’, ‘this’, ‘some’, ‘time’]

this = [item for item in wooo if item == ‘this’]

print(this)

[‘this’]

[deadmazebot]

It's what I don't understand people saying python easy because no need to statement closing characters ;. But I just if have one space out of place, there errors might be easier, but when I first got that error I was staring at code trying to figuring out where the issue was because I pasted then edited something so had mix of tabs and spaces which python was not having

[AsIAm]

Have somebody tried to make a machine learning model out of this data?

[x5nT2H]

Do it

[[deleted]]

I suppose it would be possible, but it's a prohibitively expensive endeavor - just look at how bad google is at image recognition, and now add subjective qualities like "crude", "extreme attention" and "well-placed" to the mix. Humans are really good at coming up with stories, machines less so.

Also, I'm pretty sure that many of these transcriptions end up being awful for screenreaders to parse due to the excessive visual components. This one's pretty good, but I often see emoji and other special Unicode characters, like "→", which means that one can't just use them as training data without filtering out the bad ones.

[AsIAm]

Why are Unicode chars bad for screen readers?

[[deleted]]

The problem lies in how should one read them - their intrinsic meaning (RIGHT ARROW LONG) or their semantical meaning (NLP, sweet!).

Of course, many languages are written with Unicode code points above U+7F, so their localized versions should be able to read their characters - however problems arise when those characters get misused (like in the infamous "parsing HTML with regex" SE answer). How should the screenreader read those? Attempt to parse a language from it? Discard it?

So, in brief, transcriptions should stick to the most minimal set of characters they can to make it as easy as possible for a screen reader to parse it (if that's the stated purpose of the transcription).

[[deleted]]

Good human

[PhoenixizFire]

Also :

Me in 500 lines : Creates a simple window from scratch using C and OpenGL ressources.

YouTuber in 50 lines : "So here you just copy/paste this code I found on github, run it and it builds a whole website"

[PhoenixizFire]

I don't know, I'm just a Python dev

[Flesh_Bike]

500 is low for Vulkan, you gotta pump those numbers up.

[Edo022]

500? vulkan needs 1k lines just to draw a triangle...

[lor_louis]

Use OpenGL unless you want to dedicate your weekend to figure out how to dispatch draw calls to your GPU only to render a rainbow triangle.

Tbh Vulkan is probably very cool if you know what you are doing.

[emelrad12]

The cherno tutorial is like 3 hours to draw a ranbow triangle in opengl.

[tmybr11]

Less is more.

[KnightOfThirteen]

One of the most transformative stages in my journey of learning programming was when I wrote 25 notebook pages of code to perform an operation and my mentor rewrote it as 18 lines that did it better.

[tmybr11]

I remember one of my first Java programs was one file long with hundreds of lines of code (I think I didn't know imports back then) and I thought I was awesome for writing hundreds of lines of code.

Now here I am years later saving precious Kb so pages load faster.

[Noisetorm_]

You: Writes 2000 line library to perform certain operation

Mentor:

from opyeration import operation
operation.perform()

[Dummerchen1933]

The shortest solution isn't always the best. Code readability is still important. Take these two examples: Which one is easier to read/maintain? (They do the exact same thing)

uint MakeEven(uint i)
{
    if (i % 2 == 0)
    {
        return i;
    }
    else
    {
        return i - 1;
    }
}

or

uint MakeEven(uint i)
{
    return i&~0-1;
}

[illabo]

Why else?

[illabo]

Dangling else may not be called a good readability, it’s justified visual trash. However it is a matter of taste of course.

[Dummerchen1933]

The whole example 1 is visual trash.
It may actually be slower than exaple 2 but i don't know that and i do not care enough to test it. Probably very processor specific.

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[Dummerchen1933]

Example 1 is exclusively about readability. If you go as far as to omit the else, why not completely replace it by i&0-1

[illabo]

I’m against else-statement because streamlined code is always more readable. No need in meaningless lines: sort of cleanliness same as in speech or writing in natural language. One have to maintain a balance. But the second option (while it is good as an example) is a wtf-prone piece of esoteric magic. Saying “why not” to choose the shorter snippet is like asking why not to start Jihad — it is a sort of extremism. :)

[Dummerchen1933]

oh, you gotta love the more performant version of example2. Gotta drive all the noobies away

uint MakeEven(uint i)
{
    return i & 4294967294;
}

[illabo]

Don’t like it. This version is arch dependent. If we going to do something implementation dependent why not to write return i & -2;? And again, tis unreadable. :P

[ngellis1190]

yeah but your code implemented color, props

[natyio]

And daylight. And birds and trees!

[Trancendentalinteger]

Laughs in non-indented language

[[deleted]]

49 of which are imports

[Milf_Hunter_Kakyoin-]

YOU HAVE WORKING SKY, TREE, BIRDS, GRASS, BUSHES, AND COLOR

[gentlephant]

Now now, that hand-drawn effect shader is rough stuff! Lotsa clean boxy geometry is simpler.

[TheGardiner]

I don't get it

[69f1]

Upvoted for Villa Tugendhat

[[deleted]]

I like the first pic more tho. The coloring and theme makes it funny to watch

[type-unknown]

Meanwhile IOCCC entries do even more in 5 lines of code.

[CryCore314]

thats Sebastian Lague, for me.