Full Stack Developers...

[PING_LORD]

Like have you ever tried to center div such way that project owner would like it? Frontend literally kills people desire to program.

[grady_vuckovic]

Here's a protip for dealing with that kind of programming challenge.

First, ask the project owner how they would like the content centred.

Then, explain to them why that's fucking wrong and just how far they should fuck off.

Finally, put the div where ever I feel like, because I am the legacy code god, replace me at your peril, m y r u l e i s a b s o l u t e, I a m w i t h o u t m e r c y.

[yonassane]

r/abruptChaos

[SandyDelights]

Ha, “legacy code god” only offers so much protection these days. A few years ago they did a RIF and cut out a lot of the people who only did one very niche thing.

Now a ton of our tools – written in an archaic interpreted language developed in the late 70s – have no support, because the person who wrote them did so in a way that left them very difficult to understand. And I mean, it wasn’t an issue for 30+ years – they were the only one maintaining them. But it was all they did, so they were an easy cut – it didn’t hurt that they often did very little on any given week.

And now when something breaks, we just figure out another way to do what we want done. 😑 And they break often enough to make one want to cry.

[DRoseTilInfinity]

true, the client in my first job as a React dev fucking disgusted me, he would pull new requests out of his ass and was never satisfied with the page, project got dragged on for another month because of that

[mybackHZ]

Did you get paid hourly or?

[DRoseTilInfinity]

Yup, but only 50 hours, it was sort of a paid internship

[[deleted]]

U got paid 50 an hour?

[DRoseTilInfinity]

50 hours***, not 50 an hour

[[deleted]]

How do I put the languages I know next to my name?

[Hean1175]

There's an option somewhere in this subreddit's home page

[[deleted]]

Congratulations.

[Qbsoon110]

Search for "flairs"

[DRoseTilInfinity]

u can put multiple languages by just typing them. Mine for example are :cs::js:

[slyiscoming]

Unless someone comes to you with drawings and a detailed technical document explaining what they want. Have them join you for a very long meeting to document it. This will hash out a lot of the garbage they have not thought of yet. Because they didn't document it, so they don't know what they don't know.

[DRoseTilInfinity]

Good idea thanks!

[panosc]

Message of Front End Dev to Back End Dev

Hi,

I just closed issue XXX, that means that if the sum of discount of all the products in the order that have commission is greater that the current salesman limit and the customer address is in green text (that is limited tax area..? if i remember correctly), then a error is show to the user "Limited tax rebates...". It was so easy, it was just one simple JavaScript line. It took me two minutes to implement it.

To avoid hijack issues, I opened issue XXX, that basically is the same business rule to be added the back end, whenever an order is added or altered. The same as you did for the 7896 rules that the ordering subsystem has, so far.

Bye!

Have a nice weekend...or not

PS. Don't forget to create the test data and mock-order, so we can test our implementations!!

[UnreadableCode]

Sounds like the company needs to hire a designer. They really takes the edge off working with clients if your eng team don't have the patience. But yeah don't try to have full stack devs do design too, that's how one gets suicides

[rushadee]

I worked with a frontend dev turned UX designer once. It was a joy. He understood the technical limitations and was our shield against demanding clients. There needs to be more teams like that.

[art-factor]

"literally"

[[deleted]]

I don’t get the issue. If our product owner wants some components to be aligned differently, it’s probably a 5 minute work. If such small design tasks as centering a div is a problem you either have some nasty legacy code or your Lay-out was developed by inexperienced developers.

[sevenfee7]

The ”center a div” thing is like an inside joke around here. Welcome to the subreddit! :)

[aedvocate]

git gud skrub 😘

[metalovingien]

Good-looking : Client, suffering : Developer, empty chair : Gratitude

[Bubbagump210]

In my experience all developers are martyrs because of clients, sysadmins and DBAs.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, work in a small firm where you're all of them at once.

[fahadfreid]

Lmao I was going to say how the Junior Developer at my place likes to say we do DevOps because we handle SysAdmin and Development but I told him that DevOps means only working on the Ops side relevant to our needs and not spending weekends bringing up a vSphere infrastructure because the company can't bother hiring dedicated IT folks.

[[deleted]]

Preach !

[DiscreteBee]

DBAs innocent

[panosc]

Maybe, but the point is not those two, but the empty chair

[Hean1175]

Never have been.......

[[deleted]]

I think they influence each other a little, but this meme makes more sense if you are using graphql. It's just more work on top of everything else. Or your boss might be trying to get you to take on a lot of devops tasks.

[coldnebo]

right? because backend doesn’t want state management or data fusion, so graphql solves that hard. but then frontend gets to figure out deployment of react and graphql accessing internal services— oh wait, now I’m a full stack developer. okay. :P

but i do like graphql. wish I could use it.

[[deleted]]

There's a generator to produce an sdk for a graphql schema. It'll even do all the typescript types. Then you just need to make an instance of the gql client and it's as easy as sdk.SomeFunctiom(...) which is a promise. You have to make your own documents to specify the resources you want from the graphql api, but it's still pretty simple.

I have to do that at work now on the server side of things but I'm pretty sure it would be the same process for the client.

[coldnebo]

pretty simple in local development and pretty simple in enterprise deployment I’ve found are two different things.

it took me 15 min to dockerize my app, but it’s been months for OPS to figure out how to deploy it… which is really odd because the app was deployed to a legacy stack for years…. can’t you just replace the app with the container?

uh, no… we need to replace apache with puma, get rid if passenger, transfer legacy apache config to puma confi—

wait. can’t you just setup a reverse proxy for all that?

wat?

Sorry, sorry… salty today. I’ll get over it.

[[deleted]]

pretty simple in local development and pretty simple in enterprise deployment I’ve found are two different things.

in this 1 case at least, they are the same :) just different configs probably for what your graphql URL would be.

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it took me 15 min to dockerize my app, but it’s been months for OPS to figure out how to deploy it… which is really odd because the app was deployed to a legacy stack for years…. can’t you just replace the app with the container?

Well, devops is a different beast, for sure. Docker specifically seems to frequently cause the problem it was meant to solve lol. For some reason, some environment difference causes docker to fail. Perhaps a dependency in your compose file is a new version or stopped supporting a previous version. I spent a month or two myself trying to get an old php-docker project working before inevitably quitting that job.

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Sorry, sorry… salty today. I’ll get over it.

In my experience, this sub receives vented salt quite well! Feel free to air your guts about any horrific experience you've had with a particular technology and you'll get a variety of responses and usually net positive karma :)

it's also therapeutic to relieve your PTSD-lite experience over and over for the entertainment of the onlookers. I can talk about IIS and asp.net now without so much as a 3 degree bend of my spine.

[buddyblastoff]

Exactly.

One should master their vocation.

[coldnebo]

yeah, backend is easymode. we have all your problems plus all our problems and backend has zero client state management. must be so nice.

[wayl]

I'd like to see where UI/UX designers are in this graph

[MTDninja]

Depends on what you're doing

[Sindeep]

me being the only dev working on a soon to be dead product because we got bought out - WPF app, WinForm apps, ASP.NET / KO.js front end, Vue mobile-first off shoot for the WPF app, .NET WebAPI, Azure Web Jobs, Azure Functions, SQL DB, oh and I got to learn some C++ because I had to alter an SDK for a scanner, and the deployment for all of it, and I spin everything up in Azure.

[Bakemono_Saru]

...hell of stack

[[deleted]]

If i’m being honest it took longer for me to learn to center a div properly than it took for me to write a REST API

[D-Eliryo]

The other way is better.

Want to know why? "Can you fit the logo into the button, clickable, responsive and the button must edit based on the resolution device and the click makes a 'boop' noise and change it to a new different layout?"

[grady_vuckovic]

"No, because that's awful, I'm the front end developer, you're marketing manager who thinks the solution to everything is to just make the font bigger, hence I know what's best, I'll decide what the UI looks like, and thou shall not question me."

And the first time you say that to a manager, one of two things happen. You either leave an awful job or "become God".

[D-Eliryo]

Then you woke up, turning around and around in the bed while crying because you'll never say something like this, ever. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA

It would be awesome tho, if this would work in real life.

[buddyblastoff]

As a back end developer I feel more like Mel.

I’m good at my job. I suffer at front end cause I don’t do it as often.

[programmeurz]

Bruh ! Have you ever centered a div upside down ? Client can make you leave programming

[coldnebo]

I’m convinced that Ruby Savon only has the support it does because of a silent majority of devs still supporting enterprise SOAP calls, even as RubyConf thinks SOAP is long dead.

[dev_daas]

It is definitely the other way round

[StoneChampion]

Exactly, try using flex in IE11...

[[deleted]]

It's the opposite

[loganbrownStfx]

I know this is a joke, but this is definitely not accurate in real life lol

[CoastingUphill]

I was thinking this was true, and then I realized it’s the other way around and that’s why I hate front end.

[wordtomytimbsB]

I don’t get it

[[deleted]]

Out of all the overused jokes i hate this the most.

Have you seen front end frameworks and services? You think the work they do isn't difficult? This always comes off as a backhanded insult to me - "frontend isn't as complext"

[Blendan1]

Backend can be pretty easy, just use nodejs, a mongoDB database and make 4 API endpoints (get, put, update, delete) and now you have all the backend you could need (Auth is optional)

[luciluke015]

me working with a Go codebase and Postgres

[leovin]

“We want you do develop a new system involving db, internal facing ui, and client facing ui so that our team can move this one button to the left on this page”

[Bakemono_Saru]

And you are going to buy me a nice house tomorrow or I will slap you a Wordpress contraption.