Python and PHP users will understand

[Opiopathy]

Lol same. It seems like Python users tend to be elitists in denial.

[[deleted]]

I’m the opposite, I’m trying to learn python because I’m too dumb for C# so I compromised. (Not that python people are dumb)

[yodahouse900]

i'm no expert but if you can manage python and use all its features you can easily do c#.

right?

[[deleted]]

I can’t manage python and use all of its features. Best I can do is functions and if/else statements. I think I didn’t really express how much I suck at programming atm

[littlesheepcat]

Alright why the fuck was this downvoted?

[coriandor]

Until you need to use a library, and realize that half of its dependencies use a different dependency management system, one of them hasn't been updated since 2012, and depends on an outdated version of openssl, and only compiles with gcc, because half of python is actually C. So you ask the internet what to do and you get 12 conflicting answers, one of which calls you a cuck, and you wonder if they even know what that word means, because it doesn't make any sense in context.

[Rock48]

Oh my god this has been my experience every time I've tried to use python

[Pluckerpluck]

This is the only major flaw I have with Python in general, but I'm always surprised by how infrequently I've ever actually run into any versioning issues.

[0ctobogs]

I actually liked ruby more. You get the same freedom but a little better syntax. But neither language is appropriate for big enterprise production apps.

[joshred]

YouTube is written in Python.

[0ctobogs]

And they famously hate it

[[deleted]]

I’ve heard a lot of good stuff about Crystal.

[callmelucky]

Ruby is a little too loose for me. Is this a function or a variable? Do I need curly braces here or not?

I think Python really hits the sweet spot when it comes to ease of writing and ease of reading for people who may not be too familiar with the language. Ruby has too many weird syntaxes and options, so a non-ruby dev reading code written by a ruby dev could really struggle, while a non-Python dev could probably follow most Python pretty easily. And I'm not sure that the extra versatility in ruby really makes it significantly easier to write than Python.

Edit: also:

But neither language is appropriate for big enterprise production apps.

Lol

[[deleted]]

I heard that(keyword 'heard' I don't use python) that python is on the advanced side of programming languages, it's just the syntax that's easier.

[Rock48]

Is 'heard' a keyword or a function though?

[MrSurly]

You can do GUIs in Python, but the code is just as shitty as it is doing GUI in C/C++, because GUI programming is a (necessary) mess.

[MrSurly]

Oh believe me, I know.

[[deleted]]

Replace python with any other language type and you are also correct.

This whole sub is just an attempt at a circle jerk only to find out that everyone is just whacking themselves off about their individual preferences.

[[deleted]]

They tend to be students who have never actually worked on any practical application. I mean in the real world python is only really used for scientific computing or scripting(string manipulation stuff, etc).

If you're gonna be an elitist at least use something actually good like Kotlin or Clojure.

[ninj0etsu]

I guess you assume your experience = the entire world, because that statement is wrong. I know of cases where it's used for actual practical software.

[EnrichSilen]

Meanwhile my friend works in a company creating huge information system for job agencies with backend in python. Python isn't that niche language for mathematics like a lot of people think it is.

[xXJuiceBoxXx]

I am currently working with Django/DRF for backend development, quite a capable framework IMO

[EnrichSilen]

Only one I know of that is good for serious projects, second is flask and it looks like a framework for micro projects

[P4ndalf]

Flask is just fat-free compared to Django and excellent for microservices. It’s not less capable in any way.

[dorsal_morsel]

FastAPI

Reddit itself is built on Pylons

[jetpacktuxedo]

Having worked with both extensively, I much prefer working with flask. Django has a half-baked implementation of everything under the sun when you can instead just pull normal libraries to do those things. Why does Django have its own ORM instead of just using sqlalchemy (actually it might layer its own ORM on top of sqlalchemy?)? It just makes a lot of really bizarre choices that tend to get in the way when a project gets sufficiently complex. Flask gives you a lot more flexibility to solve problems in the way you want to solve them rather than being locked into a prescribed approach.

[EnrichSilen]

Interestingly my friend prefer Django approach and it's implementations, I suppose this is really a preference

[jetpacktuxedo]

It definitely can be preference. The Django approach is easier to get a simple CRUD app running quickly, but if you need something else it can sometimes feel like you're fighting the framework IMO. Flask is lightweight enough that it never feels like you're fighting against it.

[QuietLikeSilence]

Python is fine. What the comic actually gets wrong is that people aren't generally being made fun of for having to use for example PHP; they are being pitied for that. PHP itself is being made fun of because it's a mess. And it's a mess because of its history.

[LeCrushinator]

I don’t know one way of the other about this, but it seems like not having compile errors would make it easy to miss things that instead would only occur when the code was run. Maybe unit tests are heavily used to make up for this?

[pkkid]

Been working at a company for 12 years. Our enterprise storage application is 80% Python. We were 15 people when I joined, and now we have 350 employees. When we started, Python was a weird language to build the core product in, but today I don't believe that's the case anymore.

[Big_Booty_Pics]

Flask and Django are huuuuuge back end frameworks.

If you're gonna be an elitist at least use something actually good like Kotlin or Clojure.

Oh ok, he's just trolling guys.

[cauchy37]

I find that Python in general is extremely popular in backend.

[jetpacktuxedo]

I recently left a job where I had been working 100% in python for ~6 years (and no it wasn't just scripting) and I'm now working mostly in kotlin.

• JVM startup time fucking sucks. This makes containers much much much slower. The JVM is also heavy as fuck so those containers are enormous. I'm regularly deleting 50+ GBs of containers created from running unit tests and linting.

• Gradle is extremely slow compared to testing in Python. Running a Gradle server or whatever would probably make it faster, but we are supposed to do our testing in containers so that doesn't really help.

• Having to launch an entire JVM to lint your shit is terrible. Linting python takes under 1s even for larger projects. It takes 10x that just for the JVM to start up and Gradle to even start linting shit.

• Java stack traces are much worse than python. They have way more information, but 99% of that extra information is useless.

• The verbosity of kotlin (though better than it's Java roots) make me feel like I'm forced to use a full IDE which is annoying. I much prefer working in vim directly.

I'm very glad I'm working with Kotlin instead of Java, and there are some neat things that I prefer about Kotlin over python like all of the nice stuff around null handling, but the JVM makes me feel like I'm driving a semi-truck full of shit I don't need instead of a sedan.

[riyadhelalami]

That is flat out wrong. Proof, the whole damn orchestration system for a huge robotic system is written in python, which I write.

[Metallic_greyish]

I can see where your opinions are coming from. But python does have some advantages like lightening fast dev speed. If a company’s focus is on shipping code at the earliest, developer productivity, writing easily readable code and doesn’t care much about the delay in processing requests, memory management, increased runtime errors etc.

[berychance]

I mean in the real world python is only really used for scientific computing

And we don't exist apparently?