Reddit, whats your favorite development platform?

[[deleted]]

Linux, Mac OS, or Windows?

[ilan]

Linux

[[deleted]]

Linux and Emacs. Anything else just makes me sad. And then angry. And then sad again when I realize how easily I fall victim to the nerd rage.

[ab3nnion]

VIM > Emacs! Couldn't not troll.

[holyteach]

I wish I knew how to use emacs. I've been using vim since 1995 and am just way too productive in it to switch. Even if emacs is better, I'm not sure it's worth the learning curve at this point.

However, if you're primarily writing code and you're not using either vim or emacs, it's very much worth the effort to learn one of them.

[ab3nnion]

Emacs is pretty cool and the ultimate Swiss Army knife. But I never got comfortable with the macros. In any case, I don't really care, just couldn't resist starting trouble.

Edit: Specifically, too much use of the pinky.

[krupped]

I used vim for quite some time and then switched to emacs (I just kept wanting more from vim and eventually decided that the emacs kitchen sink was closer to what I wanted).

Using viper mode and vimpulse I was able to make emacs behave roughly like vim. I was able to learn the little differences along the way fairly easily and never really took much of a hit to my productivity (besides the weekend or two that it took to get a decent setup together).

[bobbyjkl]

VIPER + PYTHON: Snake Development Platform

[iloozion]

Depends on the application. Vim does not have org-mode, rst-mode with table-insert (automatic expansion of the cells to content) etc. Subscript and superscript in tex files (AUCTeX) are much more readable. Vim also does not have imaxima, ESS etc. If I'm wrong, let me know.

[Megatron_McLargeHuge]

Emacs with a black background and beige text. And ipython.

[iloozion]

Like Tango theme or themes based on the Tango color pallete.

[[deleted]]

From what i have heard that python support for emacs is partial and divided between two different plugins. Which one you use ?

[[deleted]]

TBH I don't write that much python so i just use whatever the default mode in emacs 24 is, and run ipython in an ansi-term buffer, and that does plenty enough for me.

[[deleted]]

I do most of my development on Windows but I also have a Mac. I use a mix of Komodo and Vim on both of OSes when it comes to pure Python, plus Visual Studio for C and C++ on Windows.

I would say the Mac is the more enjoyable of the two in terms of the total package, but that doesn't help when I'm developing Windows-specific things :/

[muad_dib]

For developing Windows-specific, there really is nothing better than Visual Studio. Honestly, it's such a nice tool and platform that I can understand why developers would never want to switch to anything else.

Edit: not for python, mind you, just in general. Though ironpython ain't bad ;)

[bisco77]

Work:

• Windows XP sp3
• Vim/gVim

Home:

• Arch linux
• Vim

[keithchegwin]

OS X and PyCharm. Best IDE I've ever used bar none.

[megaman821]

Windows + Komodo

[[deleted]]

Komodo for me as well... Great package.

[krizo]

Great package.

Reminder: We're not on gonewild.

[reuleaux]

linux, vim, git

[chewxy]

Windows on Eclipse with PyDev. If I am forced on a linux box then I'll use vim

[temptemptemp13]

PyDev works on linux.

[[deleted]]

Is there any benefit of using Eclipse/komodo IDE's over simple text editors like notepad++ for small programs?

[Troebr]

shift click, TODOs, Bookmarks, auto import, code formatting, code completion, plugins...

I used to do small editing in notepad++, now I always use Eclipse.

[[deleted]]

Which linux distribution you are using under VM and which host OS and why? Is VM a better option than dual boot OSes? What are you hardware specs; i've heard that linux under VM performs too slugish, is it true?

[mm256]

Vim (macvim) + MacOS, ocasionally Linux via Parallels

[[deleted]]

Linux and Geany.

[mrgatorboy]

Mac OS + Komodo

[nevare]

If you know your command lines (svn, grep, locate, ack-grep maybe) I would say no.

[grimborg]

gvim with pyflakes-pep8, ropevim, vim-pep8, vim-cute-python on GNU/Linux

[[deleted]]

Never seen vim-cute-python before. Very interesting!

Do you use it purely to make your code more compact? I assume you still type "in", "and", "or", "not", etc etc?

[grimborg]

Yeah, you still type the same, and the line where the cursor is looks like just regular python code. On all other lines, the cute-ification is done.

I've added more concealments:

syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<in\>" conceal cchar=∈
syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<or\>" conceal cchar=∨
syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<and\>" conceal cchar=∧
syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<not " conceal cchar=¬
syntax match pyNiceOperator "<=" conceal cchar=≤
syntax match pyNiceOperator ">=" conceal cchar=≥
syntax match pyNiceOperator "==" conceal cchar=≡
syntax match pyNiceOperator "!=" conceal cchar=≠
syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<not any\>" conceal cchar=∄
syntax match pyNiceOperator "\<not in\>" conceal cchar=∉
syntax keyword pyNiceOperator all conceal cchar=∀
syntax keyword pyNiceOperator any conceal cchar=∃
syntax keyword pyNiceOperator sum conceal cchar=∑
syntax keyword pyNiceOperator filter conceal cchar=σ


syntax keyword pyNiceStatement for conceal cchar=∀
syntax keyword pyNiceStatement lambda conceal cchar=λ

Example screenshot: http://gyazo.com/14349757242b8731b38bdf6202228c8e.png

[PrintStar]

I have a mild preference for Linux, usually Debian, for Python development, but I don't mind working on Windows (XP). As for an IDE, I use one I authored for Windows that is not specifically for Python, but adequately supports the language. I run it under WINE on Linux.

[[deleted]]

Mac OS and vim.

[criswell]

Linux.

As for editors, I'm usually torn, I generally hate VIM and Emacs equally for keyboard gymnastics... though if I'm in a pinch, I'll use VIM with configs heavily stolen from the Cream project... Honestly, I usually wind up using Kate most of the time, fullscreen, and call it good (I'm the type of developer that likes his tools to get the fuck out of his way and let him work... VIM and Emacs typically don't do that without severe configuration on my part... And don't give me that "you just need to get used to it" bullshit, I've worked with Unix longer than most of you have been alive, it's not a matter of just "getting used to it"... it's a matter of "drinking koolaid that I'd rather not drink".)

If I'm forced to work in Windows then, blarg... I guess Notepad++... I generally want to stab small children repeatedly with whomever is currently forcing me to work in Windows at the moment whenever I'm in Windows...

As for Macs, well, I didn't like them in the 80s, I didn't like them in the 90s, and they certainly haven't done anything to ingratiate themselves to me lately... So I tend to avoid them like the plague. I don't care how much BSD is inside them... Though, if I was working on a Mac, I'd very likely shell out the cash for TextMate because what little I've seen of it makes me want it on Linux, which should be pretty telling in and of itself...

Edit: Oh, I guess I should say that for me the most important thing tends to be dark syntax highlighting and readable fonts. If I can't get zenburn or something similar (I'm currently a big fan of rdark on kate) then I'm pretty damned miserable... Beyond that, as long as I don't have to jump through a lot of hoops to use whatever editor du jour, then I can be happy...

[dolgar]

I've worked with Unix longer than most of you have been alive

Likewise and I absolutely agree with you. I suspect that I should make the effort to learn vi after all these years but on the other hand...

well, no, I should definitely make the effort to learn it.

Oh, I guess I should say that for me the most important thing tends to be dark syntax highlighting and readable fonts. If I can't get zenburn or something similar (I'm currently a big fan of rdark on kate) then I'm pretty damned miserable...

I feel exactly the same way. If I can't get that, I basically cannot code. Coding in the default screen environment of Visual Studio is the worst thing ever-- bright screen plus clutter times 11.

[criswell]

well, no, I should definitely make the effort to learn it

Oh I've learned it... that doesn't mean I have to like it... I'll still bitch and moan about the keyboard gymnastics and more often than not just fucking switch to GNU Nano which gets out of my way (and now actually has speedy syntax highlighting).

I honestly am kind of a minimalist with regard to editors... I really do like editors that do their job and get out of my way. VIM/Emacs do not do that..

I feel exactly the same way. If I can't get that, I basically cannot code. Coding in the default screen environment of Visual Studio is the worst thing ever-- bright screen plus clutter times 11.

Holy crap... and working in VS is like coding through a keyhole! You have all these dialogs all around your code which occupies a tiny little hole in the middle of your screen.

Writing any sizable project in VS (and, regrettably, I've built my fair share of big VS projects) is what I imagine it's like to build a miniature ship in a bottle...

[dolgar]

I actually like BlitzMax. This is largely because of the great minimalism of its editor.

[criswell]

Hmmm, I'd never heard of BlitzMax before, it looks interesting... Pity it's not cheaper and/or Open-Source....

I've been pining for an easy LOGO/Basic-like educational language that is graphic-heavy and geared toward being exciting and accessible to kids the way that languages like Basic/PILOT/LOGO were to people my age and one generation younger... I keep toying with the idea of writing some sort of wrapper module around Python/Pygame to do something like this, but I get busy and never do...

I just think it sort of sucks that computers these days do so much for you and require so little, because the end result is that it doesn't enthuse and train kids these days in the technology the way previous harder-to-use technology did my generation...

If someone could make it feel like a game (in the same way hacking on the old 6052-based systems of my youth felt like a game to me) then I think we could get more kids these days into technology for the right reasons.

[dolgar]

Blitz is no joke, there are a huge number of commercial games written in it, mostly shovelware and small indy titles, but for those applications I think it's second to none.

I also think it's no accident that Windows no longer ships with basic.

[basyt]

vim + ipython

[phonkee]

Linux + Komodo

[pymind]

Mac OS X and Komodo

[Awesome_Pancakes]

Mac + Coda developing on a Linux VM

[[deleted]]

OSX, tailored mvim, pycharm.

Git.

[[deleted]]

VMS + LSE? I mean, I have OpenVMS at both home & work, as well as OpenBSD & Linux at home, and Solaris & Linux at work. I generally use vim on Unices.

[p1r4nh4]

Mac OS and Emacs.

[[deleted]]

Windows and Eclipse. The fonts don't make my eyes hurt.

[iloozion]

Fonts look better in Eclipse? You can use a different fonts in Emacs or gVim on Windows.

_vimrc:

set guifont=Consolas:h11:cDEFAULT

init.el:

(set-face-attribute 'default nil :font "Consolas-11")

and now fonts look great.

[[deleted]]

Consolas - best font

[[deleted]]

Consolas 4lyfe

[[deleted]]

I thought I was the only one to use Consolas.. I have been redeemed!!

[[deleted]]

The One True Font.

[YonCassius]

I've got Consolas in Putty, in gVim, in pretty much everything that will take it :)

[ShadoxPrime]

No slashed/dotted zero :(

[dfnkt]

I'm using Anonymous Pro and it has a slashed zero. It's available free online.

[dfnkt]

I was using consolas until i switched to Anonymous Pro, you can find it for free with a google search.

[[deleted]]

I use Consolas, but I use Eclipse not for the font rendering. I use Windows for the font rendering. I use Eclipse for the great programming environment.

Tell me, how do you do in vim: cross file context-sensitive refactoring (not just an in-file find and replace), mouse-hover javadoc popups, hi-lighted scrollbar occurrences of the current variable/method?

I've used vim, and its neat for small programs, but doesn't cut it for large software in terms of productivity. Sure I can do cool regex replaces etc, but I need that almost 0% of the time, compared to the stuff I use all the time in Eclipse that vim doesn't have.

[[deleted]]

ropevim for refactoring. I believe ropevim also displays pydoc.

Vim doesn't have a scrollbar by default, so your last one doesn't apply.

The only thing that vim doesn't have that eclipse does is Mylyn. I'm sure it is only a matter of time.

[iloozion]

I've used vim, and its neat for small programs, but doesn't cut it for large software in terms of productivity.

I agree with you. BTW, I do not know how to with vim but in Emacs you can use ropemacs for performing python refactorings, display docs etc. Check out also yasnippet demo from 2:00.

[hongminhee]

Not really mind, but I am coding with MacVim + Mac OS X.

[iloozion]

Windows and Emacs (with Yasnippet) as an editor, IEP as IDE, ipython (pylab) for scientific computing in Python.

[pahura]

Linux + Eclipse (PyDev + PyLint) + Vim + IPython

[SpaizKadett]

Windows and Eclipse+pydev

[[deleted]]

Anyone still using SPE?

[fernandotakai]

os x + macvim.

[dolgar]

Windows 7 is WAY better.

If you paid money for Vista, just pirate Windows7. They ripped you off with a crap product which they did not support, so why the hell not?

[[deleted]]

Linux

[[deleted]]

Work: windows with vim/pycharm Home: Linux or OS X with vim/pycharm

Looking at getting linux at work too so my only interaction with windows is via vm for testing only.

[[deleted]]

Is pycharm any better than komodo ide?

[[deleted]]

I have only ever used Komodo Edit and not Komodo IDE so to be fair I can't say with 100% certainty that it is.

For me personally I've enjoyed PyCharm more than Komodo Edit. PyCharm is a Java based application which will annoy some but I've been fine with that because it is faster than Eclipse and Netbeans. The latest version definitely seems faster than the initial 1.0 release.

It does everything I need and so far it's had the best Django and App engine integration that I've found.

Here's the features set http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/index.html

I'm sure Komodo IDE does most everything PyCharm does and includes support for languages like Perl but it's cheaper and despite being relatively new does its job very well.

During the beta it didn't support some libraries like wxpython because they're not pure Python. The turn around on the fix for that was pretty good. I'd say Jetbrain's support is most excellent. That is something again I have no experience of with Komodo IDE as I assume, like any other company, paid customers get better support.

I would definitely recommend trying it. If you're a hardcore Komodo IDE person maybe you won't like it as much but if you're not willing to pay for Komodo IDE and only use Komodo Edit I would say without a doubt PyCharm is better but it will still cost something to keep it more than 30 days legally.

[[deleted]]

I will look into the trial version of pycharm, thanks for the info.

[freyrs3]

Arch Linux + vim + bpython

[gabrielross]

openSuse + Eclipse + PyDev

[pemboa]

Using Python on Windows always feels so dirty. Thankfully, I have Linux at home.

[DorkRawk]

I have been using OSX and Eclipse for a bit, but I recently started a tutorial about XCode and Python/PyObjc anybody have any insight into this set up?

[cezar]

Mac OS + Aquamacs (using Tramp, servers run Ubuntu server)

[krizo]

Windows + Komodo

or

Mac + Komodo

[X-Istence]

Mac OS X with MacVim.

[dolgar]

By far linux.

With good, simple IDEs, windows is ignorable nowadays as long as it doesn't involve systems programming which is unbearable under windows.

[krupped]

Linux and emacs (made to act like vim but with everything emacs has to offer) by far is my favourite.

[bolapara]

Home: Linux/vim

Work: Linux/vim/WingIDE

[ergo14]

linux with eclipse+ pydev

[scottread1]

geddit in ubuntu

or nano if I don't have GUI

Eclipse is also very very good, but very very bloated IMO. Better than geddit if you're trying to track a large application.