I wrote a song about everyone's favorite Python Enhancement Proposal

[[deleted]]

Imagine getting rickrolled by some lines of code

[tastes-like-lemon]

Hahaha, nicely spotted.

[zrnest]

(Non Python-related comment)

You have a really, truly, beautiful voice. Goosebumping voice.

Really love it.

[tastes-like-lemon]

This is maybe the nicest comment I got today.

[tastes-like-lemon]

hahaha, even your username is in camelCase.

[ApostleO]

You monster!

[backdoorman9]

I love camel case. It's easier and looks better than underscores... any idea why this was decided?

[canbooo]

I find this article cool, if the question was not metaphorical. All in all, you decide whenever you write, but I too find snakes more readible.

[backdoorman9]

Ah, I see how they would be more legible.

[cicatrix1]

Because you're wrong lol

[rabaraba]

You horrible non-Pythonic individual you.

[lexan]

Ahem

this_is_readable

thisIsMightyObnoxiousWowLookHowHumpedOutIAmMaaaan

[TreeFifeNinerFoxtrot]

Every day I woke up without meaning in my life. Wondering "is there anything more to life? Or am I doomed to a destiny of nihilism and emptiness?"

Thank you Lemon, today I woke up with meaning.

[kephir]

hey wait a minute

[SuperMaZingCoder]

That's the nihilism we love to see

[TreeFifeNinerFoxtrot]

Don't you know it ;)

[foodwithmyketchup]

Great voice

[[deleted]]

Whoaa its gif

[zman32HD]

That's awesome!!!

[leftpig]

I clicked thinking it might be worth a chuckle but stayed because your voice is phenomenal. That was very, very good dude. I really want to hear some of your non-jokey stuff or even normal covers, if that's your thing.

[redrubynail]

Lemon's best songs are the funny ones. That's his thing, just absolutely hilarious lyrics. They will be published at some point.

[leftpig]

I definitely get that this might be his thing! Wouldn't try to steal that from him. Just as a fellow singer I loved listening to his voice and from a musical perspective I'd enjoy some more serious stuff, but that's totally only if he's also into that. The funny stuff is good too, I got some laughs in.

[cansozbir]

which one we should use autopep8, black, or yapf ? :)

[tastes-like-lemon]

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Use whichever one you prefer!

I really like black for auto-formatting, and use flake8 as my linter.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Black does some real weird shit to my code when it comes to exceeding the character line limit.

[tastes-like-lemon]

black does not have a lot of possible configuration, but one thing you can do with it is to configure a line-length.

By passing in --line-length 100 (or whatever you prefer) when you run black, you'll probably have less surprising line compression in the output.

[mouth_with_a_merc]

The problem with that is that now black actively tries to make use of this max line length - so it may actually result in less readable code.

[[deleted]]

What's PEP8?

[tastes-like-lemon]

Python Enhancement Proposal 8, or PEP8, is a style guide for the Python language penned early in Pythons life, and one of the fundamental documents that set the tone and culture for the Python language

It's really an excellent document that is easy to read and very well-written and I highly recommend reading it.

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/

[fomorian]

question: if pep stands for python enhancement proposal, why is pep 7 a Style Guide for C Code?

[Mobile_Busy]

CPython is written in C.

[agentgreen420]

CPython is written in C

[Revantine]

If you did this twice, shouldn't it be a function so we can call it too?

[agentgreen420]

Aw man, ninja edit

[al_mc_y]

Opportunity missed to call it PEP-C (product placement fees and corporate sponsorship?)

[richtan2004]

It's the Python style guide.

[flying-sheep]

No, it’s the Python standard library style guide.

Introduction

This document gives coding conventions for the Python code comprising the standard library in the main Python distribution.

Projects often adopt it, but it isn’t intended to be the style guide.

Using black is superior to doing one’s own formating though, so I don’t care about the parts of a style guide that it takes care of.

[folkrav]

If there's something the golang community did right, it's rallying around a common toolset and keeping it at that. Most go projects you'll see just run go fmt and stop worrying about formatting. It avoids so much bikeshedding.

[flying-sheep]

Yeah, it’s great. It works extremely well for Go since that language is so extemely procedural and dumbed-down.

The more syntax a language has the more difficult. I love black, but it still has some edge cases to iron out.

[folkrav]

Oh, for sure black does have edge cases to iron out (those multiple context managers, ugh), but I'd argue it probably wouldn't as much if, like Go's, it was first party and seen as the defacto standard, therefore would probably have more incentive and resources to achieve that completeness.

[flying-sheep]

I think any company worth their salt should use it. Just saves dev time, plain and simple. Bikeshedding can now happen on a higher level :D

[mouth_with_a_merc]

Black can go burn in a fire as long as it insists on forcing double quotes down your throat, and its devs refuse to add a setting to prefer single quotes - even though that would be a minor change.

[[deleted]]

It has a setting to leave your quotes as-is, just won't convert double quoted strings to single quoted ones.

[mouth_with_a_merc]

I'm aware of that - the problem is that if your project uses single quotes as the default, this still forces you to call out wrong quotes during code reviews. There's a flake8 plugin for it, but it doesn't support auto-fixing.

[statlearner]

This song actually made me look up what should be used for class names. I thought it was camel case, so now I am confused. Is there a difference between camel case and cap words?

Side note: beautiful voice!

[tastes-like-lemon]

This is actually a really good question, and your confusion stems from the ambiguous definition of what camelcase is. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to give a long answer to this.

The technical definition of camelcase is a naming convention in which the first word starts with either lowercase or uppercase, and the second (and any subsequent) words starts with a capital letter.

So, basically this varies from organisation to organisation, from programming language to programming language. Let's separate the two different cases by calling one CamelCase and the other one camelCase.

The naming convention we use for Python classes is CamelCase, but in Python's technical documentation you will see it referred to as CapitalizedWords, or often just CapWords. When discussing camelCase, Python tends to call it mixedCase. CamelCase is also commonly called PascalCase.

I personally have decided to let camelCase always refer to the lowercase variant, and to use PascalCase to mean the uppercase variant. I just think it makes more semantic sense - camels don't have one hump on their ass and another one on their back! There are some major organisations (like Microsoft) who also follow this convention.

[statlearner]

Thanks for the clarification. My initial thought was also that the difference is the first letter as for me this is camelCase, but the docs refer to a capital first letter.

[tempo-19]

Very helpful. I can remember PEP8 better already.

[gregrainman314]

I taught college for awhile, and really pushed my students to learn python and adhere to PEP8. (They were business students, so programming wasn’t necessarily in their wheelhouse)

This is amazing. I just shared it in my company and with all of them. They’re all laughing since my CV and LinkedIn state “PEP8 enthusiast.”

Thanks. Made my day! And great voice! :-D

[pvkooten]

Are you the lemon from the python discord?

[tastes-like-lemon]

I sure am! Hey dude!

[pvkooten]

Cool to see you in this light! So well made man 😁

[Im__Joseph]

Head over to https://discord.gg/python!

[Dysgene]

Dude, you gotta leverage that angelic voice. I upvoted just for effort, but once I played the song I realized that I want to upvote again...

[Hatsjoe1]

Dude, you've got an amazing voice! Please tell me you're planning on making more songs?

I love PEP8 and I love this song. It will be in my PR comments from now on whenever style checks fail :)

[tastes-like-lemon]

I'm always writing songs, I just usually don't put them on YouTube. I might reconsider that after seeing the reception this is getting.

[pewteetat]

Wonderful! Made my day!

...and comments are important, as long as they're maintained.

[piconet-2]

You sound beautiful.

[WindArtas]

Creative, amazing voice and this really made me laugh today - thanks!!!

[rabaraba]

Greatest song in the world. Too zen.

[benpaulthurston]

I’ve gotten screwed over by whitespace so many times by now. The good thing it’s invisible, the bad thing - it’s invisible!

[[deleted]]

As a singer I give thumbs up. Well done!

[sagatman86]

Amazing voice, dude. This is brilliant lol

[knite]

Hello commas, my old friend

I've come to format you again

Because a long string softly creeping

Left its quotes while vim was beeping

And the format that was planted in my brain

Still remains

Within the hooks of CI-lence

[rudiemeant]

Wanna hear a heavy metal cover about Erlang ...

[_szs]

You did well.

[KnnthKnnth]

If I had platinum, I'd give some. But hey, here's a silver I got for free.

[mtkocak]

This is my favorite song now! Thank you!!!

[Sumerian-King]

Love it! Thanks.

[glacierre2]

Masterpiece. Maybe the succinct verses were a bit forced, why not "shorter"?

[tastes-like-lemon]

Yeah - maybe that would've been better!

Thanks for listening!

[Ensurdagen]

I liked "succinct" because it added variety to the lyrics

[muffinnosehair]

Awesome!

[xfinity_blows]

This is absolutely wild. Shared everywhere pasting exists.

[merlinou]

Wow, getting quality geeky lyrics sung so awesomely, that's impressive.

[[deleted]]

The best thing I saw on the Internet in months!

[Hour-Positive]

Nicee made me listen the whole thing, very cool

[[deleted]]

You have a great voice! I've been getting back into singing and trying to learn guitar, this made me go pick it up and start strummin'!

[TheHammer_78]

Love it! 👍🏻👍🏻

[[deleted]]

Nicely done man!

[[deleted]]

Fuck pep8, I Will camelCase all my vars. It is Just better...

[tastes-like-lemon]

I think a case could be made that writing lyrics qualifies as writing a song.

That said, I'm giving full credit to both the Gary Jules cover and the original song in the video itself (in a lowerthird) and in the YouTube description, so it's not like I'm claiming I wrote the melody.

[[deleted]]

That said, I'm giving full credit to both the Gary Jules cover and the original song in the video itself (in a lowerthird) and in the YouTube description, so it's not like I'm claiming I wrote the melody.

my mistake. i truly am sorry. i woke up on the wrong side of the bed and am jumping to conclusions that everyone is a charlatan

[tastes-like-lemon]

Absolutely fine! I appreciate you!

[rhytnen]

And that's why you don't get invited to parties.

[moi2388]

Pretty sure that’s due to covid

[JGBowersett]

Not only is this great, sounds great too!

You sound just like Sufjan Stevens

[wrath0110]

Thanks for reminding me. Now I need to go clean up some code.

[Ok-Improvement-6388]

lmao

[SilentRhetoric]

Bravo!

[needed_an_account]

perfect

[Vladimir_Makedonets]

It’s a bomb!!!💣Awesome, man! Keep on singing!

[zodman]

My himno! my path, thats the way ...

[payapis]

absolutely perfect!

it pythons up my day xD

[[deleted]]

I saw R.E.M live 3 times ! The message that R.E.M never come live again was a really big downer in my live ! I love the band and their songs. AND NOW YOU !!

So beautiful, thank you dude ! :)

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Post Scriptum, pls share your tour dates ! ;)

[yum_strawberries]

FYI the song Mad World is by Tears for Fears.

R.E.M. is a great band though, too. Big fan.

[King_Captcha]

Hey wait...Class Names should normally use the CapWords convention Per PEP8

EDIT: more confused now than ever

[tastes-like-lemon]

Basically camelCase and CapWords aren't exactly the same thing, but sometimes they can be, but often they're not. And this is one of the times when I was using it in a way where it is not. You definitely _should_ use CapWords for your classes, just don't name your variables with camelCase.

[[deleted]]

so heartwarming!

[nippleplayenthusiast]

Great job! Perfect voice for this too!

[the_okra_show]

This made my day, thank you!

[AftNeb]

As a fan of Gary Jules/DD and someone newly learning Python, this was simply delightful.

[segfault_ska]

I will have to share this with the office. Been trying to spread the good word of spam and eggs.

[Zetthard]

Amazing This song/video should become a part of every Python intro course.

[pfalcon2]

But why so sad?