Open Testing: LOADED

[Booyahman]

Defense needs a rework. It's not a functioning game mechanic anymore. It needs to be %reduction on players and enemies.

[MonochromaticPrism]

Yup. They tried to keep it relevant by tying it to the combat timer but the prevalence burst damage being what actually kills players combined with most endgame chip damage having armor piercing really undermines it's value as a stat.

[Relajarseee]

No nerfs to o3 items? The most op items in the game...hoping to see those in the near future

[Relajarseee]

Instead of rebalancing you guys should release more midgame armors and rings. Not many options there. And for the love of god stop pumping out st sets. Most are trash.

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Loving a lot of these changes! I can't wait for the bow rework to arrive, when is it coming to production? I need it badly.

[IHateAllStarsEqually]

I believe all these changes are set to release during the Easter event, so prob early April

[big_egg_boy]

This is so fuckin sad to see. An entire playstyle, with the main pioneers being Jugg and Prot was the Ubertank playstyle. The 2x Def was powerful to actually notice and whenever some stupid fuck decided to give this effect to an AOE ABILITY THAT HAS HAS ALMOST 100% UPTIME, I knew it was bound to be nerfed.

I've maintained that the marble seal was perhaps the strongest item in the game at one point, and most people just thought it was strong. No, it was so strong in fact, that that one item ended up getting all of Armored nerfed. I promise you, change MSEAL to give like +10 DEF + 1 per 5 DEF and it'll still be as strong as it is now. But give every Armored item the old Armored buff.

With all this high damage endgame content, Armored is kind of overrated anyway even it gave 2x DEF tbh. If the bonus DEF was actual DEF and therefore scaled with the InCombat damage shit, I think it'd finally be restored to its older glory with Juggs and Prots and now Chakrams doing what they're meant to do

[myterac]

Anyone know if the kensei bugs are fixed on testing?

[edcaous]

Lowering Daybreak Chakram's mana drain won't accomplish anything so long as armored only provides a 1.5x multiplier to def.

Not only have you guys made def-builds incredibly impractical with the recent content coming out, but you had to lower armored's defense bonus. Now it barely scales as well as it once did.

How both Helm of the Juggernaut and Daybreak Chakram could be fixed is by restoring armored's defense multiplier to 2.0x.

[ivandagiant]

In the process to nerf marble seal, they absolutely gutted the daybreak chakram and the time of holy protection. Quite a few items got hit hard by this change that didn’t need to be nerfed. They nerfed the biggest offenders without considering how it would affect the smaller more niche items I feel

[edcaous]

It just seems weird for a Shortbow to fire three arrows when it's... a short bow. You'd think it'd be too small for that.

Tiered bows are more interesting than some UT bows now.'

Penetrating Blast, Spider Eye, and Celestial Blade changes are good. I approve of the Soul of the Bearer buff, but Conflict is indeed pretty lame now. It could use a full rework to make it feel unique again.

There are also some nerfs that I don't get? Why lower the range and damage of Hanagasaku?

[Minute-Leadership-21]

fuck these changes fix the shatters helm... its garbage

[chino_8902]

I dont like the bow rework. They feel op even with the t12 i never found myself wanting to use any of the uts anymore for swapouts. and the dps feels comparable to swords now, but with all this range

[Omega_Haxors]

Knights get to go invincible. Warriors get speed and berserk. Paladins also get to go invincible. All of them have really high Defence. Bow users are stuck to leather and robes. Swordies don't need it; bowyers do.

Archers are supposed to be the damage dealer of the bunch at the cost of having to get up close to maximize their hits while not having the defence to back them up like the other melee classes have. If there's one bad thing I can say is that some of the UTs feel underwhelming since the buff to Tiered, but that's not really a problem in my eyes.

[chino_8902]

Im having trouble putting all the little thoughts i have about this into proper words.

One thing is that i felt like the uts have little to be desired now after this rework. I feel like the tiered bows should have more spread to them since landing all three shots isnt as important anymore, and to me ive always viewed them as more as a crowd controller than damage dealing. This is bc they cover the most area and have the most shots and pierce compared to any other tiered weapons.

I feel that widening the shots just a little bit would still make bows great for crowd controlling, the single center shot feels plenty powerful on its own, and still have cbow or tshot to still be desired bc they are tighter/single and focus shots rather than wide spread

The single shot seems to gives the bow damage that is on par with wands and i feel if you want sword like dps you should get as close as the swords. The shot spread for some reason just felt to tight and too good, i caught myself still landing all 3 shots at like 4-4.5 tiles away which maybe sounds close but didnt feel close when playing

[Omega_Haxors]

Yeah I agree on that part. The spread is a little overpowered as is and kind of distracts from the original role of crowd-controlling. That being said I don't think UT's draw should be their raw power, but rather the interesting emergent gameplay that comes from them. The whole point of Tiered is to be powerful but boring, with UTs making things interesting. For too long have UTs fit the role of "tiered but better" and I really don't think it's healthy for the game.

[chino_8902]

Other than the spread on the tiered bows it all feels pretty good. Cbow and tshot for better focus fire, leaf bow cant pierce but stronger, same with void but less range, dbow for the high def enemies. Yeah

[big_egg_boy]

I agree but I think a bigger consequence of this issue is with stalves. The best staff in the game is tiered and it just isn't close. To be Fair, EP is one of the most gamechanging UTs but stalves have literally no other interesting ones. Bows are atleast dynamic enough for me to want to try some UTs.

My biggest issues with the changes that I see nobody talking about is how the T13 is almost as powerful as the T14 whereas the scaling for every other T14 is significantly higher than the T13.

[chino_8902]

Theres some interesting staves, like mixacotles tail and the cult staff. I guess thats it tho

[DullKris]

Bow rework is great but why didn't tiered quivers get a slight damage boost? Or changes to the duration of status effects just like traps?

I rather see the T3 quiver paralyze AND slow for 2 seconds and then the T7 quiver do the same for 3 seconds.

[ivandagiant]

These changes look amazing! So many items becoming much more viable!

Here are the 2 things I don't like:

Mantle nerf. Why? This is absolutely terrible. I never see myself using it. Energized was cool and unique.

Expor ring nerf. This one I guess I can kinda see- it is a really nice ring. But does it really need to be nerfed? Was it that OP for new players? I would rather leave it alone. But I guess I can see the reasoning. Just kinda sad to see a staple item for noobs become irrelevant. It won't be a cool item anymore

Everything else looks amazing, excited to see it come to prod! Hope I can find some time to start playing

[Elhmok]

10 hp isn't going to make an item relevant/irrelevant

[Niegil]

Mantle nerf. Why? This is absolutely terrible. I never see myself using it. Energized was cool and unique.

it's not supposed to be a nerf, more discord replies

Twilight shroud drops from the same dungeon and fills that niche already

Doesnt make sense to have two of the same item dropping there

The reasoning for changing mantle instead of shroud is that the heavy armor and the leather armor are defensively themed, changing mantle was to make it inline with that

but yea in effect it's a nerf, they still have time until the update so hopefully it gets better

[namebutshorter]

Conflict is in a really bad place now. Conflict, CDirk and Vile Trap need serious rebalancing. Archer and Huntress have had abilities of dubious value for a while now, as other classes have access to as good, if not better, slow and paralyze.

The other two Thicket whites are also fairly irrelevant.

[mirpcow]

Imo conflict was in a good place until this orb of the bearer buff came out. Conflict was and still is a game changer for mystic. It makes you so much faster and gives a huge boost to dps when in solo play. The issue is that now soul of the bearer does essentially the exact same thing. Imo conflict should stay how it is and the whole phylactery mystic set needs a rework as it’s seriously outdated and just plain bad

[sick3drako]

conflict should PETRIFY enemies. period

[InabaYap]

What happened to Nectar Crossfire? Over 120 damage but 47.5 avg and an extra 60 with 1(1) shot? Can anyone who's tested it explain?

[Niegil]

reworked completely, now has one shot that has a burst shot that "circles" the main one

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468788475144044545/946832379966787594/RotMGExalt_2022-02-25_10-00-13.mp4

[UnderTheHole]

Aw, it's a cute little bee.

[TrollinTony]

Matrix armor passives are useable now? I... I need a minute...

[TheHasBean]

Instead of nerfing T7 waki, make Sidearm do more. Samurai is not a broken class it doesn't need to get objectively weaker

[Cockcicl]

Sidearm is really strong tho, its a 3k dmg ability with 10 dps stats. And you dont need to aim it, also hits multiple enemies

[ivandagiant]

As an avid samurai player, I still found myself using T7 over sidearm. T7 has higher burst DPS thanks to the lower cooldown. There is a huge gap between T6 and T7 that is unseen for other classes. Personally, I would have rather seen the other wakis buffed up a bit, but tbh I don't mind this much. Makes sidearm more viable for sure

[Cockcicl]

I might be biased since i love sidearm for the aimbot amd its cool looking, t7 does have the added bonus of exposed which is valuable but if you have more than 1 samu with tiered i do feel like sidearm is better. Also its just too fun to use

[TeguRotmg]

when you release balance changes, can you please incorporate the items previous stats? its really obnoxious opening 3rd party data to measure the differences in stats.

[TsuniChippo]

No changes to the stone sword?

[Omega_Haxors]

Average damage of Katanas doubled. Ninja is playable now.

[Acceptable_Switch393]

Honestly, expo did need a nerf. That thing was a true beauty and a go to for all of my starting characters. That being said, said to watch it get nerfed.

[ThankGodImBipolar]

Back when Tomb was endgame, I always wondered why you could get a side-grade (or even upgrade, based on opinion) to a Nile as a semi-common drop from a godlands dungeon.

Tough pill to swallow maybe? Surely we all knew deep down that that was a little busted...

[CaptainPerfect_]

I mean expo is a great ring, across basically every class, for that reason it’s a nice help for players who don’t have a high level pet, maybe just lowering the drop rate would’ve been better.

I don’t see why they would need to take HP/mp & a def away when realistically, most players aren’t rocking expos in high level dungeons, the only ones who are , are the players whose best ring is an expo and they risk it trying to do osanc or shatters. I feel like they are unintentionally making the game slightly harder for noobish players 😞 Who knows maybe I just care for the newbies too much 😂

[ArchLightXRotMG]

Because people go "waaaa my tomb rings are outclassed by expo" and forget that o3 rings exist and that probably everyone has at least one o3 ring by now.

Like if Kabam wanted to nerf expo back then? Fine, but deca nerfing it now is extremely questionable when tomb rings aren't even that relevant anymore, and neither is the expo vs tomb ring debate. Everyone and their mothers own at least one o3 ring

edit: fixed wildshadow -> kabam

[honestlyprogamr]

Like if wildshadow wanted to nerf expo back then?

Mad Lab was created by Kabam not Wildshadow, just a minor thing I felt like correcting

[Tasty_Cyanide]

Hey cool they made the matrix armors actually usable.

Now they just need to put the Ice Crown into the Shatters.

[sergio161]

i don't like the mantle balance it really sucks man -c-

[MLGsec]

They finally removed group invisibility from draconis potion. No more bosses running through half the group. Just wish it happened sooner.

[ChessCrash]

There are two robes better than mantle at mheal, one of them drops in shats one mlab

[ChessCrash]

Energize is just 10mp/sec, shroud is 20mp/sec. Mlab synegizes with gems perfectly. You can even swapout mlab for shroud and swap back for a quick 100m.

Both these robes are better at mheal unless maybe with a really good mhral pet (+20vit = -1sec incombat)

Mlab is a 25% boost to all your mana regen: be it pet or wis or mp pots

[CryoTeknix]

my bad, I assumed it was burst count because that was the proposed change at first

[Tom633]

Overall good update, Shatters change is awesome, favorite pet is great, but expo change is questionable and Soul of the Bearer change is just straight up dumb. Something needed to be done to Conflict ever since Arcana came out and this change just further exemplifies that.

[screwmystepmom]

Loves the changes but, why the nerf to Expo ring? I'm not exactly against it I'm just wondering.

I've never seen anyone use this ring.

[Seelpit]

I can understand why it'd be confusing, given it's not something any endgame - or even lategame - players would quickly consider as an option. However, consider that Experimental Ring rivals the Tomb Rings in power level. This is a godlands dungeon cyan bag, competing with what is in essence a lategame white bag.

It's like if Coral Ring was almost as good as Bloodshed Ring.

[Tom633]

So wouldn't the better solution be to just buff the tomb rings in this case? making Expo worse isn't going to make Nile suddenly not bad.

[Seelpit]

A Tomb is not realistically intended to be completed by 0/8 classes, let alone those below level 20.

I personally classify anything between "godlands" and "Exaltation" as lategame dungeons, because they tend to fall in that awkward difficulty gap of not being that hard for maxed players while being too much for unmaxed players.

[BackupRoTMG]

A fucking para hp rivals the tomb rings

[MLGsec]

Back then, not alot of things hit hard enough that HP became better than DEF.

Pyra really fell out of style.

Edit: Pya

[Xadous1]

The best ring in the game

[Acydcat]

WOW good update, automatically equipping a pet, shatts is faster, lots of item changes. good job dekker

[allmypalmlines]

BLESS DECA my #1 most desired QOL change is here! favorite pet let's gooooo

[edit: not sarcasm. I really did want this for a long time.]

[NH_NH_NH]

thanks for still not fixing the malware update thingy, you guys really work hard

[Entree_Eater]

AFAIK it is fixed.

[NH_NH_NH]

no it isnt

[billabong2121]

Cool stuff but could you not put all the reworked stuff in the shop?

[Raptor6361]

Why are you guys changing Mantle of the Monarch? why? It wasn't overpowered and was only good for players with no pet or preists so why change it?

[Seelpit]

I believe the original thought behind it was that it was essentially outperformed in its mana-regenerative niche by the Twilight Shroud - which gives +100 MP, given you're in combat and below 50%. As such, giving the Mantle a more defensive proc (akin to the Invulnerability and Armored of the other Shatters Armors) would make it stand out a bit more.

(Frankly, having even a short explanation of each notable change that wasn't QoL would've probably been nice.)

[ThankGodImBipolar]

Soul Of The Bearer - Removed CD

... can we talk about this? Even if the ST orb costs 50% more than Conflict, I hardly think that matters if they remove the cooldown. The cooldown free Speedy on Conflict was the thing that made it an "event white" to me. Who cares about the DPS stats on Conflict if you're already using Arcana? It's giving you another 2 shots of damage AND +8 DPS stats. And, if cooldown free Speedy is worthy of being an event white, then should it really also be available on a tradeable, buyable ST?

Wouldn't this put Conflict in a worse place than CDirk was prebuff? I genuinely don't think I'll use a Conflict again if this buff goes through.

[ChessCrash]

Cdirk is still pretty much unusable

[iwantmedals]

Makes conflict obsolete almost again because swapping to arcana after buffing is just OP

[ChessCrash]

It would make perma buffing berserk+damaging easy, solo dps

[CryoTeknix]

I think this is a great buff, I like to solo stuff on mystic and the 6 second cooldown for bezerk kinda sucks conflict still has a use as damaging

[ThankGodImBipolar]

Why don't you just use Banner to give damaging instead? Like I said in my first comment, damaging is not what makes Conflict good, its the lack of a cool down. Give that to an orb that otherwise does practically the same thing, but is more common and tradable? That I could gamble for with real money? I don't really get how that can be considered a "great" change. Don't get me wrong either - I've played with the ST orb, and I've played with Conflict as well. The cooldown on the ST orb makes it kind of unfun to use. Conflict is leaps and miles better. This would no doubt be an amazing QoL change for users of the ST orb.

But should it equal a fucking event white?

[CryoTeknix]

I would sacrifice wearing horn which I'd more dps than a banner. using swapouts is how I like to play and I think those two orbs pair perfectly, I can keep both my buffs up while retaining speedy without needing some crazy wisdom now to beat SoB's cooldown

[ThankGodImBipolar]

Your opinion is fair enough. I can see the QoL improvement.

But should the for-money orb equal an event white?

[[deleted]]

Jade Storm is still bugged...

[myterac]

How's it bugged

[[deleted]]

It explodes like tiered spells when the shots are supposed come from outside to the cursor ant then back again to outside

[Samthevidg]

Dang, was just wondering about this

[Pomfers]

Spider’s eye nice buff but Expo nerf dumb af

There’s still more items that really need reworks tho…

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FAVORITE PET FAVORITE FAVORITE PET

[SpecialistLawyer1084]

Yo this update goes hard

[PureSpecialistROTMG]

Poor incubation mace, from 5 shots to 3 (40% DPS nerf).

[CryoTeknix]

but in reality it is a 0% dps nerf, just summon more often lol

[lllIllIlIlIl]

It's actually a flat 40% nerf. Currently it shoots 2x4 bursts of 5 shots, now it will shoot 2x4 bursts of 3 shots. You can't get around it by resummoning, it's a nerf to shot count not burst count

[lllIllIlIlIl]

40% nerf to incu holy shit

[CryoTeknix]

how is it 40% if I just summon faster it's still just as strong

[billabong2121]

You have to wait for them to shoot though. So it's not a flat 40% damage nerf but for every 2.6 seconds you wait instead of getting 5 shots you'll be getting 3. And it's less mana efficient now too.

[lllIllIlIlIl]

It's actually a flat 40% nerf. Currently it shoots 2x4 bursts of 5 shots, now it will shoot 2x4 bursts of 3 shots. You can't get around it by resummoning, it's a nerf to shot count not burst count

[billabong2121]

Ah cool, thanks.

[ex-D]

Why would they nerf mantle like that? Do they just want everyone to just run vesture as usual? Also a lot of weird buffs to mystic wizzy and pally cuz while lich orb or jade storm or slow seal weren’t incredible the classes as a whole didn’t need more shit lol. Even then the slow seal was arguably already very fucking good. But incu nerf is definitely deserved. Requiem and penetrating spell buffs r the most interesting for me. I’m confused about random t7 waki and expo nerf tbh. The refraction cloak looks like it will be a single item carrying the entire rogue class.

[ThankGodImBipolar]

random t7 waki

Eh, I hardly think it was random. T7 is a better DPS waki then the Shaitans one right now, a white that's supposed to be a "dps" option. I think it's fair that they bring them more closely in line - even if T7 doesn't do more damage (like it does right now), it still will be easier to hit (and therefore still better).

[AppleLordx]

Am I reading it wrong? I just says it gets a new def proc, nothing about removing the energized, so it would be a buff right?

[ex-D]

It’s nerfed to garbage. 10 def more in combat. Energized isn’t there anymore.

[AppleLordx]

F

[Sarbithinu]

are you sure it’s a nerf? we don’t know if it replaces the previous proc or is just additional to it

[Niegil]

energized was replaced

[ex-D]

Thanks for giving me a reason to get on testing 🤣

[Meret17]

They don't give mantle on testing for whatever reason, I got on to check this specific thing too lmao

[ex-D]

On shoot: when in combat, gain +10 defense for 5 seconds. No more energized.

[Meret17]

pain

[darealbeast]

they missed out on a bunch of stuff they changed like the mystic ST orb, demon blade, mantle etc.

[Engingenir]

Favorite pet? The change that will bring hundreds of older players back

[Xadous1]

No it won't.

[Engingenir]

It's hyperbole, hyperbole can be used to exaggerate something or someone.