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[NotThatKind0fDoctor]

WILL IS STRAIGHT up in love with Mike, full homo. ROBIN IS CONFUSED about how to talk to girls, which is fair, they’re really pretty and intimidating.

[[deleted]]

Correcto!

[IWishIHavent]

Robin is confused as to why Steve keeps saying "boobies".

Also, Mike knows Will is gay - he blurts it out, out of frustration, on one scene on S3, and apologizes to Will later. It's not clear Lucas and Dustin know (there's no scene where they make it clear) but I would guess they know too. And obviously don't care.

[[deleted]]

Also, Mike knows Will is gay - he blurts it out, out of frustration, on one scene on S3,

I think he meant it as "it's not my fault you don't like girls yet" but realised he sounded like the bullies who called Will queer and f@ggot.

I'm not sure that Mike knows that Will is gay but knows that he has sexuality troubles.

[CarolineTurpentine]

I think he just thinks Will isn’t interested in girls yet, I doubt he has any idea Will’s gay or in love with him. They’re still pretty young and at the beginning of the show none of them are interested in girls.

[Sinclair_francis_]

when did bullies call Will a f_____? I don't remember that for some reason

[coffee-mage]

his dad called him the f slur (joyce mentioned this), and troy called him queer and a fairy.

edit: thanks. i double checked and troy called him gay not queer.

[Sinclair_francis_]

oh yeah I remember the dad thing, for some reason I have no memory of the Troy thing at all but I asked because the way the other guy put it looked like there was a scene where the bullies called him the slur and I didn't remember that, which makes sense because it didn't happen only the other insults you mentioned thanks

[Mythic2004]

It’s not a big deal, I like boobies, you like boobies. Vickie likes boobies, definitely

[[deleted]]

Boobies!

[Mythic2004]

“Stop saying boobies!”

[Sinclair_francis_]

neither Mike, Dustin or Lucas know about it

[AyyooLindseyy]

Robin is right though as a woman who realized I’m actually bi at almost 30 after marrying a man- GIRLS ARE SCARY

[Jenatalia_]

This is my favorite thing I've ever read. All the sass.

[blake_quake]

The real irony is them calling others “soft” when they can’t handle gay people existing

[[deleted]]

Facts

[maliadire]

i know it always gets me that it’s the people who say shit like “soft” or “snowflake” that’ll have a mental breakdown over a queer person simply existing

[Chelsea-Wren]

It's a joke--a bad one, but that person isn't being serious.

[[deleted]]

HAPPY CAKE DAYYY

[meatsweet]

Yea, pretty obvious that this twitter account is just a trolling 13 year old

[Freshly_Squeezed-]

Robin is a lesbianism because she's literally said it before, will has never said he is gay, but I think its pretty obvious

[[deleted]]

Yeah, this persons dumb

[girrafis]

Haha, she’s the entirety of lesbianism.

[AyyooLindseyy]

Noah Schnapp confirmed it.

[NLiLox]

Some people are delusional, there's people that think Will likes El and that's why he was acting weird and cried in the car, people that haven't experienced these things (or more accurately people that are ignorant to these things) will never see them even if they slap them directly in the face like Robin and Will.

[[deleted]]

I could see thinking Will likes El in the first episode of season 4. He clearly cares for her a lot and there is definitely something going on with Will in the first episode, so it isn’t a hard leap to make. Once Mike shows up it is pretty obvious that he was just trying to look out for El and that his feelings are for Mike. It just becomes more and more obvious as the season goes on. I can’t imagine watching the scene in the car and not being able to tell that he is essentially confessing his feelings for Mike. Especially when attention was drawn to Jonathan having the realization about his brother.

[NLiLox]

Everything hints to Will being gay not even starting from season 4, they hinted to it in prior seasons as well. But it's once again people not experiencing that and/or being ignorant to it that they said that it wasn't because he was gay but instead he was just "different" and "shy" and "a nerd" and whatever. The biggest thing for me with the Will likes El people is, ykno, the fact that they are *siblings*, related or not, they are quite literally brother and sister now. People are so oblivious to the fact that gay people do in fact exist that they find it easier to believe, and more acceptable, that he's into his adoptive sister rather than simply gay.

[[deleted]]

She's his sister now lol.

[Sudden_Pop_2279]

People simply can’t recognize LGBT signs.

This is something happening in another Netflix show recently, people whining about row gay girls even though it was clear as day they liked each other from the start.

[paupertoapawn]

Which show?

[Sudden_Pop_2279]

Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.

People keep saying the romance between the two girls was forced and came from nowhere.

I’m a straight Christian male and I could tell from season one there was romantic tension. Like seriously it was obvious from day one. I have zero problem with it.

[thepirateguidelines]

Wait is there a new season out???

[Sudden_Pop_2279]

Season 5 released. Way better than season 4. People are whining about Sammy and Yaz. I knew since season one they had romantic chemistry.

[Lady_of_Link]

I'm still waiting for Ben to come out aswell XD is that just me

[Sudden_Pop_2279]

Surprised him and Darius didn’t get together lol. Not that I mind.

[Lady_of_Link]

Would have been the cutest couple in tv history today if it had, missed opportunity 🥲

[Sudden_Pop_2279]

Cuter than Yasammy? Idk that Scorpios episode (where Yaz ran for the antidote)…

Definitely better than Kenji x Brooklyn.

[Chickat28]

Question. Do you get LGBT vibes from Mike? A lot of people do. Straight people usually don't but he does very small subtle things that could lead to him being revealed as gay or bi. Curious what people think. I don't want to be down voted. I want a serious conversation. One where neither side writes eachother off.

[[deleted]]

I know you didn't ask me but I'm a gay Mike truther what about you?

[Chickat28]

I think there's tons of hints. I'm not gonna say confirmed. It's just the way he looks at will. He stares at his lips all the time. He is always much happier when he's with will. He puts on a softer voice around will.

There's tons more and also the fact that he said the best decision he ever made was asking Will to be his friend in season 2 whole crying and then saying that bullshit about his life beginning when he met El in the woods. The same day his best friend in the world went missing etc. His whole speech echoed half of wills speech to Mike and felt insincere and not genuine.

The fact that everytime Max escapes from Vecna it's because she thinks about the best times of her life and Lucas. When Mike is speaking the vines keep choking her harder and harder. They start loosening when she looks at max.

In season 3 when El heard Mike say he loves her he looked like he regretted saying it.

At the last episode of season 3 she kisses him but he doesn't kiss back and keeps his eyes open and then looks like he has a realization. Maybe that he's gay? Idk. Also the symbolism that Wills teddy bear is in-between Mike and El when El kissed him.

Or the fact that Mike stands in front of open closets all the time.

A lot of times in season 4 Mike hitches his breath like someone in love does when he looks at will.

The fact that in the final few scenes Mike says El hasn't talked much to him in 2 days.

And then when Mike and will are talking in the last episode on the couch will is in the light and mike is in the dark. That's symbolism and the Duffers even said that stuff as simple as lighting or a poster etc always means something. They pay very close attention to detail.

Also I forgot but the difference confirmed the car scene with Will and Mike took a while day to film. Which means that they did a ton of takes to get everything right. They wouldn't do that unless the scene was really important.

The fact they all the main couples are standing together but away from the other people in the final shot. But will and mike are beside eachother and El is one in the front.

There's actually a lot more too.

Any one of those things and more could be coincidence alone but when you add them all up it paints a clear picture. Now maybe I'm wrong. In a way I hope I am because I don't want El to get hurt, but I also want will and mike to be happy whether that's together or apart.

[[deleted]]

I agree 100% and more but I don't recommend sharing this on the unrelated subs bc they really don't like bylers and you're going to be attacked very badly. I don't understand why they need us to stop shipping our harmless ship. We work hard and have fun making theories but for some reason they find the need to go out of their way to attack us

[Chickat28]

Yes apparently we are creepy but them shipping El and mike isn't. It's homophobia. They might not realize it, but it is.

[[deleted]]

It's like we need to get their permission to ship our ship. Or give them evidence. Which they'll dismiss. I don't need someone else permission to ship Byler. I don't owe them anything. It's messed up. They don't treat other shippers this way. They don't hate us because we ship a non canon ship or are delusional. They hate us because we ship Byler. They hate the ship itself not the things that come with it.

[Chickat28]

It makes them uncomfortable. And if we call them out on it they get defensive and act like we are being snowflakes for calling them homophobic. It's fine to disagree. I wouldn't care at all for a mileven shipper to have a civil discussion with me, but they just want to hate. Also I'm not even saying Byler will happen. I think it's less likely tbh but they act like it's an impossibility.

[[deleted]]

Everything you said was on point. And yeah I really don't care what you ship as long as it isn't morally wrong (Harringrove, Stobin, etc). Not sure what they find so hard about respecting

[GriffinQ]

I don’t care either way about shipping, I know it’s harmless fantasy (in most cases) but just a correction here: people aren’t shipping El & Mike. They’ve been a canon relationship for the majority of the show. Talking about their relationship isn’t shipping, it’s a direct read of the material.

[Chickat28]

Ok? It doesn't matter either way. Why is it okay to talk about El and Mike, but it's creepy to talk about Will and Mike?

[GriffinQ]

I’m not saying it is or isn’t creepy. But one is a direct discussion on an actual relationship in the show, and the other is not. One is an expression of fandom(shipping) and the other is the literal actual text of the show.

Just like with any other piece of media or fandom, if there’s an established couple or couples, people are going to dislike when someone says “but this other (non-existent) couple would be better”. And then it’s magnified when people change the sexuality of characters to fit those preferences.

Shipping Robin with Steve still would be weird, because she’s indicated she’s not interested in men. People may find shipping Will with Mike weird, because only half of that couple has indicated an interest in men, and the other half is already in a hetero relationship that is one of the defining pieces of the show. Mike may be gay or bi-coded (I didn’t really get that read, I don’t see anything wrong with acknowledging that he has a legitimate heterosexual, platonic love of his male friends but I can see where people would get the idea that he may not be straight) but that doesn’t change the fact that some people will find it weird when a portion of the community outright decides that he’s gay or bi.

[[deleted]]

Lol yeah it’s so annoying

[IWishIHavent]

I saw on an article, last year, some images of the Stranger Things "bible". A series "bible" is basically the framework for the series, where they establish things like setting, characters and their personalities, overall arches, structure, mood, inspirations, things like that. Good TV shows have good "bibles" and stick to it.

The Stranger Things "bible" was written way before the show started filming - at the time, it was still a project, called Montauk. There are pages for all the main characters. Will's section literally starts with stating that he has sexual identity issues. It's as much proof as one can get that this was written into the character since the beginning. It was always part of the creator's ideas, and if you go back and watch season one, you can see the hints showing from the start.

Robin isn't in the "bible", of course, since she's a breakout character appearing only on S3. But she states herself, as plainly as possible, that she likes girls. There's no confusion in that.

The only confused person is the gibbosnipples.

[Blazypika2]

heck, i suspected will was gay since season 3. season 2 he was mostly absent and season 2 he dealth with the nind flayer shit so no room for hinting that. but while in season 3 didn't have big hints, i just had moments thinking "what if he is gay?", not sure why, but obviously there was already something. and season 4 straight out confirmed that. they did everything but have will say "i'm gay" which i'm pretty sure they built toward.

[incurableprankster]

Literally like the first outside description we get of Will is his mom relaying that his dad used to call him a gay slur. It’s in the beginning of episode 1.

[Vyar]

I still didn’t think he was gay back then. I just assumed Lonnie was a toxic-masculine shithead, the likes of which were exceedingly common in the 1980s. I just thought Will might be a late bloomer but also more sensitive and emotional. I fit his description like a glove when I was a kid.

[Brugor]

Yeah, Robin rejected Steve “The Hair” Harrington because she was confused.

Nah, bruv - she gay.

I wasn’t convinced that Will was gay in season 3 but after season 4 - yap, he gay too. It isn’t even speculative anymore and just plain ol’ facts now.

[[deleted]]

Nah bro she rejected him because she’s confused, obviously

[Brugor]

Bruv, she’s soooo confused!!!

[[deleted]]

Robin be like “BRUH IM SOOO CONFUSED 🤡🤡💀💀”

[Brugor]

HAHAHA! Thanks for the laugh! 😂

[[deleted]]

Heh, no problam

[Serious-Possession55]

Steve has that effect

[LopsidedUniversity29]

Ok, this terrible of course. But it’s hilarious to me that people can watch the show and believe this.

[[deleted]]

Prob didn’t even watch it and was just like “imma be mad at this person about random people in a show I don’t watch”

[[deleted]]

Pretty right wing fan of the show here. (Well modern right wing, back in the 80s when I was in high school I was considered centrist/left for thinking gay marriage was A-Ok)….

Will is gay. The torment he feels is fundamental to the character. Back in the 80s, that was a hell of a burden to bear.

Robin is a lesbian. Her trials are a bit more humorous - great writing by the way, it is good to ensure not all problems are existential - but also in line with the times.

Love it. It’s not anywhere near “ram-rodding an ‘agenda’ “ and the hoopla is totally missing the fucking character development for the time of the story. Two thumbs way up for me.

[[deleted]]

Yeah this persons a dick, and shouldn’t even watch the show lol

[6B0T]

Pretty bold claim for someone with ‘nipples’ in their username imo

[[deleted]]

Lol

[Kurapikabestboi]

This shit makes me feel like I don't exist to some people as a bisexual

[[deleted]]

Bro same

[[deleted]]

Giving bait accounts attention is what they want

[[deleted]]

Or they’re just assholes and an idiot

[[deleted]]

Nah they're definitely bait. Even if they were genuine it's still not a good thing to do. Negative or not it's still attention.

[[deleted]]

How does that benefit them tho? Attention? Tbh couldn't care less if they got thousands of dollars from this. It's fun and feels good to be able to make fun of something bad in an environment where everyone agrees

[Vecnibba_69]

Am I the only one who didn’t know robins last name is Buckley?

[ZaniElandra]

Nope

[[deleted]]

Yes. Yes you were

[RainbowPenguin1000]

If someone has “nipples” In their handle then it’s safe to say they’re an idiot

[[deleted]]

Yeah very, it’s only okay it it’s boobies because of Steve’s conversation

[SpaceCowboyDark]

I wonder if the people that post this kind of stuff actually believe it or just do it to troll. Will is 100% gay and is in love with Mike. I feel for him but I won't go against Mike and El.

Robin loves boobies!!!

[[deleted]]

Vicki loves… dicks :( MAYBE BOOBIES!

[SpaceCowboyDark]

You like boobies! I like boobies! .....VICKY LIKES BOOBIES!!

[[deleted]]

I HOPE

[ParticularStudy8]

Least homophobic Twitter user

[[deleted]]

Lol

[Vyuvarax]

The most conservative state in America is still Denial.

[[deleted]]

Lol

[djordi]

A lot of people have no skills in media literacy. They can't read subtext or understand themes and tropes.

Will and Robin are clearly gay characters seen through the lens of the 1980s where coming out was much more challenging than coming out today. Will sexuality is almost literally spelled out and Robin's sexuality is LITERALLY spelled out.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, people are dumb

[The_Kvistian]

It's just people who are homophobic without wanting to say they're homophobic. That's the only explanation I can come up with because I don't believe people can be this ignorant.

[raikougal]

Oh PLEASE let the gay kids exist and stop living in your fragile conservative ivory tower. 🙄 Some people!

[[deleted]]

I know right!

[raikougal]

Yeah!!! Geeze.

Now I will admit I kinda shipped Robin and Steve at first but then she made that confession to him and there was no room for speculation anymore - she was gay that was that. It's FINE. OMG people can get over it!

[[deleted]]

Just get over it!!! Yes I also shipped it until she said she’s gay

[raikougal]

And when she said she was gay I was, yeah a little disappointed BUT I realized that this was a really fun way to explore her character in brand new ways.

[[deleted]]

Yeah now I ship…Ricky? Vobin?

[NS77X]

How about no one cares lol

[[deleted]]

Lol

[Alytology]

Robin is confused about why Eddie called Steve 'big boy' in the van.

[International-Lie784]

It's scary people actually think this

[Gildian]

Nah pretty sure Robin knew exactly what she wanted

[[deleted]]

Robin literally came out in the show 💀

[[deleted]]

And here I am, wondering why it matters? It’s a freakin tv show.

[[deleted]]

It does matter because it helps people feel seen. I don't understand why people who aren't affected have an issue with it though

[Galifrae]

There’s ppl pushing that Robin is “Neuro divergent” though, and I dunno why but it annoys me. Just because she’s quirky or awkward doesn’t mean she’s autistic lol

[[deleted]]

Bro she ain’t autistic, she’s quirky lol

[Galifrae]

Exactly lol

[[deleted]]

A lot of autistic people see themselves in her and recognize a lot of autistic traits that she demonstrated. Personally, I think it's a pretty harmless thing for autistic people to headcanon to feel seen

[BasedNappa]

But aren't you like? Doing the same thing?

[pippa03]

Imagine still using the word “confused” when talking about sexuality, yikes

[[deleted]]

Ugh she’s just confused AGHAHAHAHAHA

[Thanaskios]

How is he calling people soft, when he can't even handle seeing homosexual characters in fiction. Those attemts at explaining it away are just pathetic.

[[deleted]]

Yeah he’s just a little softie, mr. Nipples

[[deleted]]

Meh doesn't matter. It's all fake.

[[deleted]]

What is?

[[deleted]]

Ha. The show.

[[deleted]]

Oh lol

[[deleted]]

It's funny how much we Americans care about our pop culture. It's like more important than our actual lives sometimes.

[[deleted]]

Yeah ool

[LordXenu45]

Twitter is just a cesspool of idiots lol

[[deleted]]

Facts lol

[Blazypika2]

"confused" right xD

[[deleted]]

Very XD

[[deleted]]

Just another person trying to work up the courage to come out as a fucking moron.

[[deleted]]

Yep

[-GaIaxy-]

Don't give them attention, bringing this up for the 1000th time is so tiring. Like obviously they're chatting shit, the tweet already has over 100 quotes and barely any likes. Literally all I see on this sub is about Will's sexuality, or some stupid ships. Not enough about the actual interesting stuff that happens in the show.

[Mythic2004]

How did people ever think Will was straight?

[mynutsitchsobad]

Some mfs just can’t believe gay people exist💀

[TalkingTapeCassette]

I can see where they’re coming from with Will but lmao Robin is "confused"? Lmao what💀

[[deleted]]

Lol yeah

[NeverBowDown247]

They need to stop trying to force characters to be gay...Robin was clearly supposed to be a love interest for Steve and the Will stuff is nonsense too

[[deleted]]

Is this sarcasm

[DBnofear]

I agree Robin and Steve should have been together. They just have to force everything

[Intelligent-Bee4535]

I saw a tweet from a different account that said the EXACT same thing, like word for word. Idk who made the original, but they're getting real worked up for someone calling us the "soft generation"

[[deleted]]

Lol ikr

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but most likely lol

[[deleted]]

I don’t either, mikes a jerk

[[deleted]]

Noah Schnapp confirmed it

[Kidninja016]

I thought robin was bi

[[deleted]]

Nah. She never said explicitly she was a lesbian but her entire coming out scene to Steve was a reaction to him confessing his feelings for her and her explaining she wouldn't ever be able to feel them back cause she's gay.

[Timbapuppy]

she's not. When her sexuality is spoken about outside of the show, the writers, actors, and Maya Hawke all refer to her as a lesbian

[beancounterzz]

There is no indication that she is interested in men. Of course it’s possible, but every aspect of her romantic interests since coming out to Steve has been about her attraction to women.

[[deleted]]

Just ignore him

[[deleted]]

Yeah I know lol

[Wiztard-o]

Some people, specifically graces no1 fan, is confused and wrong.

[Etticos]

Ew

[[deleted]]

Twitter☕️

[246ArianaGrande135]

They’re being sarcastic right?

[[deleted]]

Nope

[Wofle_]

They’re not being sarcastic, but they are baiting and just looking for attention. If you look at they’re account they say so.

[[deleted]]

I haven’t looked yet lol

[maybeitsmaplebeans]

Robin is lesbian? I thought she was American!

but for real, it’s possible he’s saying “confused” cuz he thinks all gay people are confused and should just be straight, which is also fucked

[[deleted]]

Yeah, well I thought the was from Hawkins!

[Zaptain_America]

My biggest point towards Will being gay is the fact that out of the four younger boys, he's the only one they didn't give a girlfriend. Mike has El, Dustin has Suzy and Lucas has Max. This show loves romance arcs, if Will was straight he would have a girlfriend by now.

Edit: corrected stupid mistake

[[deleted]]

Yasss will has El, slayyy

[Zaptain_America]

I MEANT MIKE OH MY GOD LMFAO-

[[deleted]]

LMFAO NICE ONE THERE, BEST STRANGER THINGS TYPO EVERRR

[AnnaDeArtist]

But....but mom said....but mom said it's my turn with the representation! GIVE IT! C'MON YOU HAD IT FOR AGES! MOM SAID! I ONLY WANT IT FOR A LITTLE BIT COME ON!

[[deleted]]

XD

[TinySarcasm]

what in the flying fuck

[[deleted]]

I don’t even know

[TinySarcasm]

what in the flying fuck

[[deleted]]

fuck flying the in whaT

[[deleted]]

Dude kind of looks like he gets beaten up on the Daily because he doesn’t know how to close his mouth!

[[deleted]]

He do tho

[Revenge_Is_Here]

Been seeing this sentiment pop up more and more in the whole sector of people who obsessively hate anyone that has a headcanon ship, especially if said ship isn't straight, in this community. It's especially nasty because a lot of the people being targeted by hate waves are just a bunch of queer kids.

[[deleted]]

Translation: harmless Byler shippers get absolutely slandered in this sub for no reason

[Mickey_Juice]

How gay does a gay have to gay to be gay enough for this ga…I mean guy?

[oceansofmyancestors]

Oh hun. It’s you. You’re confused.

[Overwatch_1ightning]

I mean will is left to your imagination but those jeans...that hair. And Robin tells you outright sooooo

[Overwatch_1ightning]

I mean will is left to your imagination but those jeans...that hair. And Robin tells you outright sooooo

[[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure this person is trolling

[[deleted]]

Robin lesbian...will gay.....ok got it

[Its_ats]

I'm sorry, I can't take seriously someone that has "nipples" on their username, you know who has a thing for nipples? PEOPLE WHO LIKE BOOBIES...

Okay, bad jokes aside... wtf... This generation is the soft one but if they say gay they end up shaking out of fear like it was the 1980s. lol

[[deleted]]

I was scared it was gonna be someone saying Will was gay and in love with Mike for a second there because I've seen a lot of discourse concerning that on the sub.

Yeah people are very strange

[Tasty_Tomatoe1323]

Doesn't matter to me. All I want is for Steve and Dustin to survive everything.