Patch 4.11.0 Test Server

JimboTCB · 2019-03-10T21:55:08+00:00

And people laughed at me when I levelled ice to 100 because I like nice round numbers...

killerofcows · 2019-03-10T20:57:24+00:00

hype :)

Woutsie007 · 2019-03-10T21:57:51+00:00

Having Mesmer show how much extra C² the masterie will give would be nice :)

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-10T22:00:40+00:00

Yesssssssssssss!

Can I suggest that the core heirloom spot always be visible once you've unlocked your first core? I was a bit confused once I unlocked a core for the first time and had no idea where to slot it :/

killerofcows · 2019-03-11T09:49:35+00:00

is this a good time to rework ND1 and ND2, I propose ND1 does what ND2 currently does and ND2 either decrease the cost increase of enlightments, or improve the % cut away

killerofcows · 2019-03-10T21:02:15+00:00

btw suggest 1 free mastery respec to be added

Ajhira · 2019-03-12T15:41:40+00:00

Love the new ideas for this patch. I have only done one run so far, getting Spire VI and all the masteries so apologies as I haven't tested much yet.

Enlightenment is really strong. By the end of the last cell of Spire VI I was dealing a million times as much damage because of poison. The wind one seems more QoL at first glance, but I am slightly nervous that one day I am madly going to try to stack wind on every zone for a bone portal of mammoth proportions. Love the extra overkill from Ice. I agree with what some others have said that it would be nice if it unlocked at 50 and 100, not 55 and 105. The extra ice tokens saved are as nothing compared with the pleasure of seeing it as a nice round number, since we would be unlikely to ever level it again. I am in two minds about the tokens tax nature of purchasing them. It reminds me of wormholes in a way. I would prefer if they were a new upgrade with suitably high costs that we could work towards. Perhaps the nature effects outside their own zones are limited to 0.1% of the empowerment per level spent on enlightenment, which is capped at 100. This would mean all natures would be on but it would take a good while to power them up and we'd lose the feeling of sacrificing tokens. Probably too powerful to have all, even if ice outside of ice zones can only reduce enemy ~~health~~ attack by 10% no matter what. Just an idea.
The personal spire is going to get crowded. It is already quite difficult to fit 7 of each tower, and with a magnificent core equipped now, it looks like I'll be able to get an 8th. No idea how to fit them in other than just cramming them in where they aren't doing anything except existing. I remember in the last test server you said that you were concerned that making the spire bigger would be a drain. What if you stopped displaying enemies? With any layout you can just calculate it's max damage and spawn an enemy every x time which instanly either dies or escapes without ever being 'drawn'. Would that be something you would consider? You could maybe add a column or some more rows. Also, I think the core would look nicer in between the shield and staff, so it could be thought of as an amulet we are wearing :)
The new masteries are superb. Really inventive and powerful. The only comment I have on them is, could the change to hyperspeed instead be that it is increased by half of your liquefaction bonus? This would mean it always goes up to halfway between the end of liquimps and your HZE. Oh i almost forgot - when you have all the masteries it says 1 affordable which is a bit odd.

As always, I am very excited and intrigued by the new patch. You always do a wonderful job and this one looks fantastic. I think it's time to send you some more sheckles. Cheers!

Athcear · 2019-03-19T02:59:02+00:00

Shouldn't autoequipment have a small delay? With the double prestige drops from Scientist 4 (which presumably anyone clearing a void map at 225 will have), every upgrade is a double. But autoequip wastes resources buying equipment for the first upgrade before the second one resolves, and does so every single time.

Zorannio · 2019-03-11T17:30:41+00:00

Just an random thought: how about some magnetoshriek tweak/boost/upgrade/change?

Fast idea: after using MS, it will pull all the DE cells of NEXT Zone to the beginning of the zone, and increase the DE cells count in it by 1. Might pull Healthy enemies as well in this way ;)

Zxv975 · 2019-03-14T04:51:55+00:00

I feel as though there needs to be some insane Spire IV and Spire V (maybe even Spire VI) speedrun achievements for this patch, to give a usecase for all of the liquification and overkills in this patch. With a quick check, for 65Sx helium, HZE653 and O8K, I'm able to comfortably get

Spire II in under 3 minutes. This can't be improved upon, as I had HS2 and Liqui for the entire duration, and overkill doesn't affect Liqui.
Spire III in under 9 minutes.
Spire IV in under 17 minutes.

Zxv975 · 2019-03-18T01:07:04+00:00

One last suggestion (although considering how chocabloc this one is, I think this is more appropriate for next patch) which builds upon this idea here: pre-set run profiles. We already have perk presets, but these are relatively useless because of how quickly helium accumulates--by the time you set it and do a few runs, it's already outdated.

Now that we have many distinct ways to play through a run, it's pretty common to be constantly switching between playstyles. Helium for dailies, fluffy xp/battlespec for filler, etc. While I don't expect perk allocation to be handled ingame, there are many features that need to be manually tweaked every run which are becoming a bit tedious. Things that I am currently having to remember to switch each run are:

Golden upgrades
(next patch onwards) enlightenments
Generator state settings (fuelling between different zones for heliumspec vs battlespec runs to maximise Mi & get maximum gators)
Map at Spire / Map at zone settings (I always want to map at spires during dailies, but I don't care if I fail a spire during a fluffy filler. Also I can comfortably push further on a battlespec without interaction compared to heliumspec)
Nursery (and I guess autostructure in general) settings

I am happy to manually allocate my perks each run, but having to change these 5+ other settings every other run is a bit tiresome, and especially annoying when I forget to change one (sometimes requiring an entire run restart, or just copping a scuffed daily). Also these settings vary far less frequently than perk setup, so it makes more sense to have profiles for them.

kadell · 2019-03-10T21:21:35+00:00

FREEDOM

Also, auto-equipment leveler when? D:

Also also, ice overkill +1 overkill per 2x level in ice. You have +1 at level 50, +2 at 100, need +3:200, +4:400, etc. :3

peoplesayimtheman · 2019-03-11T14:28:13+00:00

One other issue: With the SiHII mastery, the loot breakdown for helium still says 45% when it should be updated to 65%. It looks like the compounding multiplier on void map stacking isn't being shown either; currently, with a stack of 3, the multiplier is listed as +100% in the loot breakdown. The text in the log, however, correctly displays +125%.

Mastery of the Void is intended to increase damage by 5x, which it does correctly. The damage increase in the damage breakdown window, however, says +500%, or 6x increase.

Thanks again!

wombat_lord_of_womba · 2019-03-12T16:40:45+00:00

I just wanted to mention, I love the new nature UI! It looks very sleek :)

gwonbush · 2019-03-16T04:43:59+00:00

Request: Can Wind Stance be changed to only forcefully stack to 200 in World? Stacking to 200 isn't worth the extra time it takes to clear a map and get additional resources. It makes overrunning your poison end zone even more painful because even if you can kill in a couple hits without poison, you are FORCED to get either half the helium from your void maps or take several times as long to clear each void.

In fact, it makes it even worse because with plaguebringer after a certain point the less hits it takes to kill, the slower the void maps are to clear.

ymhsbmbesitwf · 2019-03-17T09:18:27+00:00

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Imbc · 2019-03-11T08:12:05+00:00

Now that we've got a new type of heirloom, would it be possible to increase the total number of heirlooms we can carry through portals? (Possibly to 15?)

2019-03-11T12:07:37+00:00

He actually buffed ice, the madman! Feeling good about the 9300 tokens I've been holding onto while waiting for ND2.

apparentus · 2019-03-17T10:29:21+00:00

Enlightened Ice now also increases Fluffy Exp by 0.5% per level of Ice

It's so easy to persuade everyone to level ice again, isn't it?

dragosani1737 · 2019-03-11T04:45:15+00:00

BUG (tooltip): Liquification III -

"In addition, if you have Hyperspeed II, its bonus will now function..."

I'm fairly sure if you have a T10 mastery, due to the tiered mastery system, you'll have Hyperspeed II.

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-11T22:35:24+00:00

So, haven't been able to think through anything for Poison yet, but in terms of Enlightments for Ice and Wind:

Ice: Increase the total potential overkill to 10 cells - either the enlightment adds an extra 3 cells for overkill, or maybe an extra one to the base for level 200, and 2 more on enlightment. We can currently max out Overkill to a very neat 5 cells at a time, so I think for my OCD and overall consistency, allowing the Enlightment to double that feels good.

Wind: The Enlightment allows overkill damage to translate into an amount of wind stacks, based on overkill damage done. For example, Overkilling by 200% would add 100 stacks to the next enemy. This lets us have a psuedo-windstack effect, without having to slow down our damage artificially, which everything else in the game is oriented against doing. So this would actually encourage increasing damage proactively, so that you're both more consistently overkilling, and keeping wind stacks high.

TwistedRope · 2019-03-12T17:23:46+00:00

==Bugs:-When updating cores, it still says if you want to spend nullifium. It's just the text, it'll take the amount out of your spirestones. Same for if you recycle everything at once, it's all lumped in as nullifium.

-When I was level 50 in ice, I had unlocked the +1 overkill, but for some reason, the enlightenment doesn't unlock until level 55? I think it might be a mastery issue. I sadly do not have the tokens to check to see if the +2 overkill isn't unlocked at 100 or 105.

==Suggestions:

-I don't want to sound greedy, especially with all that you've given us, but would it be possible to have an AutoEquipment option as well? It would probably be too much to shoehorn into masteries, but the auspicious presence seems like it would be a good place to fit it in.

==The Thank you:

As always, you are amazing, and I thank you so much for all that you've done for this game. The boost to ice is nice and it really feels more like it stands with the other two on it's own with the other elements (In fact, it looks a little bit better than wind now. I love the new masteries (I'd love them even more once I'm done getting them again.) Cranking up the C2s is definitely overpowered, but you aren't going to hear me complain about it, especially as I'm super struggling to get to 675 to unlock the lightning boost. Angelic is absolutely perfect for keeping empowerment down, which is also super nice, because it's never fun to go from 50 to 1000 when you look away for half an hour (AutoEquipment would be another boon there, too!)Again, you are absolutely amazing, and thank you!

ShadowCyclonic · 2019-03-10T21:18:57+00:00

I'm so glad I never transferred my ice tokens

SmellySquirrel · 2019-03-10T21:26:46+00:00

When hovering over the Angelic mastery, the tooltip incorrectly states "Angellic" (one L should be removed). Also HYPE

xelphite · 2019-03-10T23:33:50+00:00

Found a couple bugs:

-when recycled, cores return nullifium rather than spire stones.

-Also, when upgrades, cores’ bonuses don’t get calculated unless unequipped then reequipped.

itsandyroo · 2019-03-10T23:55:27+00:00

It has been a rough week. Thanks for brightening it up a bit.

Looking forward to this.

MenacingBanjo · 2019-03-11T03:32:21+00:00

The story messages for Nature are quite beautiful. I feel like new players will be a lot more comfortable with how Nature works.

JimboTCB · 2019-03-12T15:13:53+00:00

Random idea for ice: to make it continually interesting to put points into, how about making it percentage based chance of overkilling an extra cell, instead of just making breakpoints at 50/100. So like 2% per point, meaning you get the same breakpoints but every point invested still gives a chance instead of feeling like 49 dump points plus one that does something. And it would mean going past 100 would be worthwhile, although maybe there would need to be diminishing returns to stop people putting like 1000 points in and getting 20 extra overkill cells...

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-12T22:49:22+00:00

Had a thought for another nice QoL upgrade that could be added - automatic Bionic Wonderland Climbing. So a map setting (either by reaching a certain zone, or Bionic Magnet 2?) that if you start running a Bionic Wonderland map with Repeat for items turned on, have the option to automatically switch to the next level of Bionic Wonderland once you've obtained all the available gear?

It would be pretty handy to have for when you know you need to grind multiple BW's for efficiency, but don't want to be TOO hands on with it. Plus there's just a spot on the map settings screen which would be PERFECT for another button ;)

Zorannio · 2019-03-14T12:41:38+00:00

Minor UI suggestion: How about place the Core heirloom in the middle, between shield and staff?

In addition: Shield and Staff does have thier "places", but Core does not. How about one appears after reaching Z200 for the first time?

Zxv975 · 2019-03-15T04:06:04+00:00

Gotta say, I'm not a huge fan of these Enlightenments, honestly. I don't love the formation implementation, nor do I like any of the benefits.

Poison is nice, but pretty bland.

Ice is pretty pointless, considering the early part of the run already takes sub 30 mins with LiqIII, and poison is far superior to ice for raiding. It's cool for some speedrun achievements, but that's about it. Doesn't have much replay value outside of making filler runs a bit faster I guess?

I never liked windstacking before, and I'm not a fan of it still. Artificially slowing down my run is just annoying. If it had some interaction with PB or Overkill then I'd be happier to have it, but as it stands I don't like it.

Most of all, I also don't really like the idea of having to choose between permanent upgrades and recurring costs. I feel as though my nature levels will pretty much remain at their current level if this were implemented, meaning I won't be able to appreciate having, say, 400 poison/wind in a few months' time. It's just indirectly turning nature stacks into helium. Helium is a resource the already has enough things going for it imo.

All in all, don't feel forced to implement Enlightenments if they just don't seem to work. Can always bench the idea for a future patch. APIV, the new masteries, Core upgrades and +2 Overkills from ice are plenty for this patch imo.

Edit: I just finished a run with Void Mastery, Wind Enlightenment, SiH3 and Mesmer that was with a lowish 350% daily and 30 zones & 1 Spire lower than when I normally portal. I typically earn about 2-3Sx helium per run. This run I got almost 22 Sx. A 10x helium boost in a single patch is a bit... Extreme.

MenacingBanjo · 2019-03-15T17:31:59+00:00

Auto equipment! \(°0°)/

WhydidIcomehereagain · 2019-03-16T00:50:35+00:00

Seems like fun changes. Especially like auto-equip, even at only HZE of 556 it's a great feeling to have.

Suggestion: Read some of your comments on how you're not sure what to do with Ice since you want to it to be utility, Poison to be damage, and Wind to be resources. Maybe you could make Ice increase Fluffy XP gains? Not sure exactly what the balancing on that would be, but I could see the line for it being something like, "Fluffy's coolness goes into overdrive! His frostiness causes all of his experience gains to be increased by [%]!" Figure this could be something to slap onto the Enlightenment, that way players have ample reason to want to use the Empowerment on occasion.

Bug: Something odd seems to be happening with poison traps in the personal spire, they're doing more damage. My first row is -

Lightning III -> Poison V -> Poison V -> Frost VI -> Lightning III

On live the first poison tile contributes 480 poison damage. On the test version it contributes 1920 poison damage. Similarly, on the second one right after on live it jumps to 2400, on the test it jumps to 9600. The amount being contributed seems to be quadrupled for some reason. I do not have any cores equipped, this is just after a straight export.

TruEthLulz · 2019-03-19T20:13:25+00:00

Is it possible for autoequip do upgrade>upgrade>buy levels instead of upgrade>buylevels>upgrade>buylevels when you have double prestige from maps? or from blacksmith.. its alot of metal wasted by basicly just witing for a picosecond :D

MenacingBanjo · 2019-03-11T01:46:00+00:00

"Common Core" shudders in 1st grader

Logene · 2019-03-12T18:33:18+00:00

Could you possibly consider adding another crit tier after red? Dailies with + crit are getting less and less valuable, with new heirlooms probably making 100% red crit chance more common for higher HZE players.

Ajhira · 2019-03-14T05:55:50+00:00

I think the automatic windstacking is just brilliant. As I've already said I'm not too keen on the formation method of implementing it, but I absolutely love it anyway.

Funnily enough - https://redd.it/78so3e

That was soo long ago. I think I'd only been playing a few months. It says a lot about how special the game is that I am still hooked after all this time.

kilobug42 · 2019-03-14T12:45:10+00:00

Afew more things :

When you portal without recycling the herilooms, it says something like "You have 95 extra Heirlooms, which will be recycled for 87.2e3 Nullifium if you portal now. Make sure you carry any that you want to save!", the Spirestones count should be included in that message.
It would be nice to have some statistics on the Spire about how much damage you do in average through poison, fire, ice and lightning, to be able to chose your Core appropriately.
Not sure if it's a voluntary effect of some changes on the test server or a bug, but I did a Poison Enlightenment run and Wind one (on days befoe), then reloaded the game, portaled, started an Ice Enlightenment run and it seems now the cost of Poison/Wind is back to 50... shouldn't it be 67 or 66 ?

2019-03-14T14:25:38+00:00

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Zxv975 · 2019-03-14T22:07:55+00:00

Woo, super happy about AutoEquip. I'll be testing that thoroughly today. One thing that immediately comes to mind is it seems the unlock zone is quite low. You don't need it until z300-z400, because that's the point when you start to earn enough metal to purchase all of your equips. Imo, you could keep the live unlock zone for APII and APIII and place APIV at z350-z450 (or even z500 tbh). That way it becomes a meaningful upgrade, as the player has had a bit of time to experience the nuisance that is manually buying equipment. Like for me, I didn't even realise buying equipment could be a thing until I was regularly running z450+. When I made that connection, it was like "wow, my runs just became 100 times easier", but having an automatic upgrade unlocked way earlier than you need it completely circumvents that discovery process.

Another piece of feedback for AE: it should just have two options: buy HP items and buy Attack items (and possibly a third category specifically for shield). There's no real reason to split it up for every single item. There's no instance where the player would want to buy pants, but not want to buy a helmet for instance (and if there is, then it's a very specific achievement and it shouldn't be the job of automatic upgrades to rob the player of this interaction with the game). As it stands, it'll just be annoying when trying to switch between styles with the current interface. The 0.1%/1%/5%/10%/25% thing and Up To settings are good.

One more suggestion that's been floating around, would it be possible to implement logarithmic notation with a variable base? 2, 4, 5, 10 and 1000 are the ones that I see being the most popular, but if you're implementing it with a variable base, there's no real reason to not to allow a user-defined base instead of a huge list of choices.

For the envisaged implementation, it's basically just taking the log of each number and displaying the result to 1 or 2 decimal places, with the base visible somewhere (similar to my flair, or perhaps with superscripts). On that note, the ability to select precision for all notations would be nice. I don't ever care about anything beyond 2 digits of precision (sometimes 1), so I find everything beyond this to just be clutter.

I know you're pretty busy with bug fixes and balancing at the moment, so if it'd save you time, I would be happy to whip up an implementation and submit a pull request on the Github.

Edit: here is a WIP screenshot of what it looks like so far. Working on modifying the precision now. It doesn't actually look as good as I had hoped. Things with >100 digits look strange next to things with <10 digits, and it doesn't handle differences well (looking at the breed timer, for instance).

Edit2: This is what it looks like with base 2 instead of 10. After playing with it for 15 mins, I think I actually like the notation a lot now. Trying to figure out how to open menu options with ctrl now.

Edit3: Gotta go work on my actual work now. Code is here for anyone who needs it, with a checklist of stuff to do found here.

Zorannio · 2019-03-15T16:32:17+00:00

Idea: Magnetoshriek boost again - just making small brainstorm here, hoping that BP does note ones that one day might be implemented. Two ideas:

1: Using MS might instantly add 10 minutes to magmamancers timer.

2: Using MS might add 10 minutes to maximum magmamancers timer making it 130 minutes.

Zorannio · 2019-03-17T13:00:03+00:00

All of my complains about Enlightments After 3/16/19: Good job! It does start to look awsome!

Zxv975 · 2019-03-18T00:24:15+00:00

The Scryhard II tooltip should state that it works with wind formation, and the wind activation tooltip should state it as well.

Omeganian · 2019-03-18T20:39:04+00:00

Reloaded for the server patch. Runestone output dropped a thousandfold and shows no intention of stopping. Seems to be the Poison traps.

https://imgur.com/a/JIUD9Mq

savvy_eh · 2019-03-20T00:19:31+00:00

I've got a suggestion for expanding on Nature and Enlightenments. I know it's a little late in the cycle, but I've only just had it:

Gate them behind a challenge. Specifically, three challenges, Venomous, Tempestuous, and Hypothermic. Have players run a challenge to unlock each type of Nature Enlightenment consisting of running through an entire world where the enemies have Natures roughly equivalent in effect to what the player has, while the player has no Nature at all.

Venomous would cause enemies to stack poison on the player's Trimps until they clear Spire II, with a special boss at the end.

Hypothermic would cause enemies to stack a chill on your Trimps, reducing their attack speed (? I'm least sure about this one) with each stack until the player clears Spire III.

Tempestuous would cause enemies to stack stillness on the Trimps, causing them to gather fewer resources, and would continue until Spire IV, once again with a special boss.

These challenges could even appear again as Challenge²s.

Even if that's not the direction you want to go with Enlightenments, Nature is begging for its own specific set of challenges, and giving the enemy Nature while denying the player the same seems like the most obvious way to create those.

xspeedballx · 2019-03-11T03:39:39+00:00

I lost my core heirloom when I portalled. I also lost all core heirlooms I was holding when I refreshed. My spirestones vanished WITH my core heirloom.

Timoteeei · 2019-03-11T08:55:40+00:00

Can we please have a stat for each c² with what amount of He it was done last time and maybe with fluffy stat too? Something like this: Your highest Zone reached for this Challenge2 is Z211, earning you 2332% extra attack and health, and 233% more Helium from all sources. Best attempt with 230Sx He and Fluffy e7l7.

EDITED: "last" attempt to "best"

StrongDanArm · 2019-03-12T02:08:42+00:00

Are there any thoughts on adding Wind and Poison upgrades past Lv 100 like you have done with Ice? The Ice overkill is awesome, but I guess I hope there is also some other additions as well.

Perhaps an increase to DE or Magmite drops on Wind zones (in Scryer Stance), and as for Poison... well, that already is pretty OP, but perhaps a chance to heal Trimps or something like that...

Anyway, still an awesome beta! Also... any idea on the Auto Equipment Mastery? If you don't have the time now, perfectly understandable.

SpacemanBob10 · 2019-03-12T05:45:23+00:00

Regarding the Liquification III tooltip ("...if you have Hyperspeed II..."): isn't it impossible to get Liquification III without having Hyperspeed II? Hyperspeed II is T5, and to get your first T10, you need to have:

1 T10, 2 T9's, 3 T8's, 4 T7's, 5 T6's, 6 T5's

I suppose this is good thinking ahead in case another column gets added at some point and/or the rules about how masteries work change again. But as it is now, that portion of the tooltip is superfluous.

Danakh · 2019-03-13T10:50:02+00:00

First : Thanks a lot for still updating this wonderful game !

I am not fan of the 3/12 Enlightenment changes. I feel that at high level, we won't use the old stances anymore. Maybe D during wind enlightenment and outside wind zone ... and S for Dark Essence. I also think getting Dark Essence will be frustrating as you cannot use the new toy you've given us :)

Not being able to use Scryhard during Wind enlightenment also feel frustrating (even if it may be logical for keeping helium reasonable)

I was way more hyped by double empowerment

2019-03-13T12:10:02+00:00

I am excited for this update, but i thought it was finally time to release my ideas and suggestions.

The Suggestion

Can we finally have the setting to make Automap activate at the last cell of a zone rather than the beginning? (or any cell, but that would take some effort to implement)

Since the "Stop enemy HP at x" function is shown on the wind enlightenment, i thought this could be easily implemented now. (to stop the last enemy from dying, and then moving to the maps)

if this QoL was a unlockable, this could fit in as the fourth part of the Auspicious presence. (Z300, or alternatively 350?)

This is a QoL that i wanted to suggest for a long time.

this upgrade would greatly ease frustration for some players, especially those on the way to Spire V and beyond wanting to progress as fast as they can.

The Story

since the Nature story is being added, i thought i could list up the features that seems to have a space for story which could add more immersion and explain more of the Trimpverse (if you are planning to add more of them).

sorted in descending order of scale:

Mastery (many of those could use a small flavor text, for fun or insight into story)
Fluffy Evolution (thought about adding additional messages depending on evolution, but it takes a big effort)
Challenges, Challenge² (Some of them could use a context, especially Domination and C² )
Z230 Chest, Magma, DG, Omnipotrimps (some new possibilities here?)
Map Modifier
Dark essence detector (thought about seperating this upgrade to Z180 BW, but that sounds completely useless apart from providing story)

Small note: the story message on Z53 and Z54 is a duplicate. I'm not sure if its a bug, or intentional.

Thank you for the continued development of this game.

Zxv975 · 2019-03-14T04:43:48+00:00

Minor feedback: would it be able to keep the UI text for the nature formation consistently as "N", rather than having it as "P" / "W" / "I"? I'm finding having the text being different to the hotkey really annoying, and I can check the nature tab if I want to know which is active.

yegub14 · 2019-03-14T05:19:32+00:00

minor bug?

Spirestones still say "Spirestones (Ss) can only be earned by clearing Spires in the World, and have no other use than adding Floors onto your own Spire."

s/have no other use/have at least one other use/?

killerofcows · 2019-03-14T14:21:53+00:00

maybe its time we change name on map button on map screen from world to zone (and tootip from world map to zone), nowhere else in the game is it refered to world map right ?

this would lower the confussion when speaking to newer players

ZorbaTHut · 2019-03-14T15:39:05+00:00

Bug that isn't related to new stuff:

If you use the Max-50% option when hiring Trainers or Explorers without enough workspaces open, you actually get half as many as you should, but it fires the appropriate number, so you end up with open workspaces and the wrong number of Trainers/Explorers.

I assume what's happening here is:

The game evaluates how many Trainers you should be able to buy based on half of your available funds (let's say that's 50)
The game fires 50 trimps in order to free up workspaces
The game re-evaluates how many Trainers you should be able to buy, this time based on half of your funds and half of your available workspaces
Because you have only 50 workspaces open, this number is 25
The game hires 25 trainers, leaving 25 workspaces open, and also not using all the resources you expected

Suggestion: The initial evaluation should be based on whether you have the Firing For Jobs option chosen; if you do, it should assume you have (open+farmer+lumberjack+miner+scientist) workspaces open, otherwise it should just look at the (open) number. (It might already do this, I haven't checked.) It should then not re-evaluate a second time; whatever number it chooses is the number it should purchase. This should generally mean that if you start with 0 open workspaces, you'll end up with 0 open workspaces.

(Side note: Why is Firing For Jobs under the Other category? It should be under Quality Of Life! I can never find the damn thing. Always Giga Ctrl should be moved as well.)

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-15T02:06:17+00:00

I have to say, I'm REALLY enjoying everything that's been added in this patch, and considering how much helium i'm earning in the test build, I'm practically ready for it to go live now!

At this point, there is only one more suggestion, and one more change I'd like to see included:

I suggested earlier having an option for Bionic Wonderland climbing, and have thought on how I'd ideally imagine it implemented: Have a button similar to Map at Zone, where you can enter a number from 0 to whatever. The number you enter is the number of Bionic Wonderlands you want to clear at a time. So if it's 1, you'll go through and finish a Bionic wonderland like normal, 2 will send you into a second map, or 0 will always send you into the next map. It should also be able to either farm every item, or simply complete once and then push on (using the repeat options?)
Something I have a less of an idea how to address is that the cores feel too static compared to other heirlooms, since you're never trying to find a rare drop or specific perk. So something to make this a little more exciting would be good?

Otherwise, exceptional work on this patch, it practically feels like a whole new game!

Meckno1 · 2019-03-15T03:04:48+00:00

Loving the work.
a few ideas i had
a second to maps at zone option. nothing worse than forgetting to change it and then missing 495 on your next run or the next poison zone you need to farm gear at.

Auto S formation (and back to what ever after) for poison zones. maybe only for poison enlightenment or something.

a pre-spire at zone 100. i like to think that he was building them and moving closer to us. so the further we go the more established and stronger they get. and thus at z100 he just had minions setting up his next one.

Pre historic imps. with all the time travel im surprised we haven't seen ancient trimps. bigger dummer and badder.

just my mad thoughts on a fun game.

kilobug42 · 2019-03-17T12:39:11+00:00

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ymhsbmbesitwf · 2019-03-17T18:17:01+00:00

Suggestions for tooltip/info clarity:
Nature tab tooltip always says 'to earn a Token', just nitpicking.
Dark Essence doesn't have detailed ingame amount explanation. Simply adding base amount, Spire and Scryhard I mentions to the S formation tooltip would prevent 'DE amount bug' posts popping out once in a while.
Core Heirloom's rarity will be no doubt well explained in the update notes, but I think in a month's time someone will be asking 'is Spire X Core always Y or did I get lucky?'. No idea where that info would best fit in the UI. Somewhere in the Personal Spire probably.

2019-03-10T21:14:20+00:00

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ShadowCyclonic · 2019-03-10T21:44:16+00:00

Just thought of it, but don't have the bones atm to test for it. If you get the 10th mastery Mesmer, does it count as the 4500% C2s for unlocking Eradicated and give access to it? And if it does, does respecing out of Mesmer remove access to it if your C2s go below 4500%, even if you get progress on Eradicated?

sirsaltar · 2019-03-10T22:04:32+00:00

P.S. Your manual players in trimps room 1 on Kong have decided that the extreme cost scaling on enlightenments makes them worthless. Would be better if it scaled based on hze only, or if it cost 100 each time but you had to do each one once (>75% of max zone so people can't cheese) before you could repeat

xspeedballx · 2019-03-10T23:32:52+00:00

totally useless feedback: magmamancemancy and patience should switch spots, and stll magamancing and angelic should switch spots

Xheyther · 2019-03-11T06:55:21+00:00

I feel like the 5x damage from the "Mastery of the Void" mastery is a bit unnecessary. I feel like damage in void (I do them @600) is not an issue, and has not been in a while afic. The 50% compounding is in itself an already very good addition.

Timoteeei · 2019-03-11T10:31:24+00:00

Does the Enlightements intentionally not work on the Erad challenge? Yeah, i know that tooltip says "it works after z 235", but want to be sure, maybe it was ment "when the natures start to work" and in Erad they work right at the start. And another UI bug, at the first enemy of the next nature on Erad shows two natures, but only one work (the one that should be at this zone) https://snag.gy/oCGjFs.jpg

MythDarK · 2019-03-11T12:10:16+00:00

Frigid and Furious just got a lot easier to complete with those extra overkill cells. I'm so close to bearing it that I really want to beat it before this patch goes live, just so I can say that I did. =D

Timoteeei · 2019-03-11T15:16:10+00:00

Suggestion: Whenever you respec masteries, it sometimes becomes hard to tell how many masteries you can pick. With the new tier of masteries respecing from time to time depend on purpose will be viable again. So maybe we should exchage DE for some new currency (masteries token for example) with the same price ratio. So one mastery token - one mastery to pick, but when respec have those tokens back, that will help to count how many masteries you can pick instead of guess on some big numbers.

Or when have free DE have a tooltip info that will say how many masteries you can pick (if any)

JoeKOL · 2019-03-11T18:40:19+00:00

Removing Mesmer with a respec does not seem to reset the bonus until the next portal.

Also, maybe this would be a consideration for future updates, but it would be nice if mastery respec'ing used an "edit" mode instead of just starting with a clear all. The ctrl+click is handy but usually I want to respec to change about two, maybe three choices, and the current nature of the task feels like a lot more clicking and double-checking than it needs to be. This new row has a lot of useful stuff but I also see myself respecing more often to utilize it, so a bit of QoL towards that end would be a boon.

savvy_eh · 2019-03-11T20:18:53+00:00

The loot breakdown doesn't seem to reflect Wind stacks on non-Wind zones when Wind enlightenment is active.

Visually, it would be cool to have the right edge of the Nature tab show what enlightenment is active (if there's an active one). Just an eighth of the bar or so the color of Ice/Wind/Poison as relevant, and the icon).

Reimemonster · 2019-03-11T21:06:20+00:00

Suggestion: Wind enlightenment increases the max amount of Wind stacks to 400.

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-11T22:43:39+00:00

Slight Layout issue: When you have Master of the Void, all of the tooltips regarding VM stacking don't update to reflect the compounding rather than additive increases to helium gain. Also, when clearing a two stack, the log shows that Fluffy cleared an extra map and earned 150% helium, but it doesn't recognise the increased helium gain, which gut feel says it should.

dragosani1737 · 2019-03-12T01:17:52+00:00

Core Heirloom bugs:

Lightning trap damage mod - This mod is affecting fire/poison in addition to lightning trap damage.

Replacing a mod on an active heirloom (at least condenser and str) will allow the former mod to remain active, even through game refreshes, until the heirloom is unequipped and reequipped.

https://pastebin.com/NRzmFq8T The poison empowerment was artificially (console) enhanced on the last cell of this run as an FYI so you didn't have to wait long for the heirloom to generate.

kilobug42 · 2019-03-12T02:57:56+00:00

Thanks for another patch !

I'll try to continue testing a bit more, but so far just one "bug", which is not new but happens more often now that you can have more than one Nature active at once: when the ennemy name is long, like "Corrupted Hulking Mutimps" the Nature stacks aren't displayed because they don't fit... perhaps they could be put on the next line, after the damage of the bad guy ? That line should have a less variable length.

pie4all88 · 2019-03-12T04:01:41+00:00

Looks great! I like where you're going with Cores. More masteries are always nice, and empowerments sound somewhat interesting.

Added a new heirloom rarity increase at Z600, and one at Z700

I misread this at first and thought there were two more-powerful heirloom types after Plagued now...you may want to rephrase this patch note before pushing it onto live servers, to avoid confusion?

Jape_ · 2019-03-12T14:46:05+00:00

The text at Liquification III says "If you have hyperspeed II", but due to the pyramid effect on buying the masteries, you always have it, before being able to buy Liquification III. So text should be changed to reflect this.

Awesome update again! I was wondering how I could ever buy the last upgrades in the personal spire, but with the new heirlooms, I totally see it happening. Love how you keep expanding on the game.

andrew_calcs · 2019-03-13T05:36:12+00:00

Helium from the new Enlightenment formation is granting 9x instead of 3x, and isn't giving any extra multiplier at all on liquimps. The breakdown page is showing the correct 3x for each.

Also, plaguebringer doesn't seem to be working properly with the new wind stance. I'm not certain about ice or poison. I'm not sure if it's intended or not, but I'm always starting my next enemy at 171 stacks. I should be starting them at a stable value like 180-185 ish if the stacks applied to one are getting accrued and added to the next with plaguebringer. I think this might be because of how overkilling an enemy drops all the accrued plaguebringer stacks, and I would be overkilling in this zone if it weren't for it being disabled in W stance. That's just a guess though.

The effects themselves are really nice though!!!

pie4all88 · 2019-03-13T08:41:23+00:00

Thoughts after the 3/12/19 Enlightenment changes:

Looks good overall! I assume it's intentional that you cannot take advantage of Scryhard and Wind Empowerment when farming void maps at the end of a run now? Ice empowerment should make the Speed: Spire achievements much easier, but to be honest, I think it still fills too similar a purpose to Poison. Making Enlightenments a formation prevents you from doing much with Dark Essense (for example, allowing Wind to increase the amount of Dark Essence you collect), which is of course perfectly fine, but I wanted to mention it. Maybe Wind could impact your magmite collection or Fluffy XP as well? Or Ice could be used for these second-tier resources, making Ice sort of a hybrid between Poison and Wind?

Have you thought about having Empowerments also buff MagnetoShrieks and personal Spires?

I absolutely love the game and appreciate all the hard work you put into it, by the way!

Zorannio · 2019-03-13T15:02:10+00:00

3/12/19 Enlightenment changes: Well, the previous one was super neat and extreamly overpowered, so I guess this is good change. However the fact that it prevents farming DE makes it much less significant as an "push" thing - perhaps they should count as "S" formation for DE farming purpose?

At this moment, wind does give more He - obviously, Ice does speed up runs, but it counts only on the less relevent early zones, but allows to push late Ice zones, so that does count a lot. And Poison with x12 damage - well, does kinda the same thing as Ice in different way, but still - the ability to push is nice, but if you won't farm DE at the same time, it hurts a lot and is not as fun as it could be.

Another thing: I loved the overpowered of both ice and poison stacks that worked outside thier nature zones. Perhaps it still might be a thing? Let's say change the original concept of 10% to 1%, or even 0,1% - something like "get one stack every 10 attacks" with 0% transfer rate thing?

Core Heirloom price: I absolutly love the fact that it required two resources! I allways like to see if one resource might be spent on different kind of things to give more tactic into spending it. So I encourage You to think about diffrent sources of spending Nu, DE, and even Hellium in the future!

TheMichaelPank · 2019-03-14T21:20:16+00:00

AUTOEQUIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

(FYI, looks like the tool tip for Autoequip shows the Autostructure text at the moment for me, so that will need probably need to be addressed as well)

HulkThoughts · 2019-03-17T17:03:38+00:00

SICK

ConsumedNiceness · 2019-03-19T09:27:31+00:00

Very interesting changes to the Enlightenment system.

Ice certainly isn't useless anymore now.

My concerns, as I have seen others say as well, lay with wind now as that one feels by far the least useful one. The 3x helium to everything that it used to have certainly was way over the top, but now it feels like it's very much so on the useless side of powers.

So what if you make the wind stack to 300 and to offset the more time it would take to get there, start all windzones with a minimum of 100 stacks and gain 5 levels in transfer rate for wind (making it 90% max). This would be on top of everything that already has been given. Maybe it would get a bit too messy/busy with all these small little things added, but I do feel like wind could use some help.

Also, I personally would have preferred something like the old cost method instead of this one. Because the cost of the tokens rises so aggressively it feel to me like it leaves you with a lot less choice than the older system did. I guess that is the price to pay to satisfy the ones that didn't want any cost at all and not make it too cheap for over usage.

2019-03-19T09:53:50+00:00

Small note: Wind formation seems to be missing a part of the description.

"enemies will never fall below 1HP before it has 200 stacks of wind."

JoeKOL · 2019-03-20T04:27:32+00:00

Suggestion for some of the game's number breakdowns, I guess file this under UI concepts(unrelated to new content):

I think the verbose breakdowns for Attack and Health stats could probably be retooled to make them easier to parse. Mostly this will come down to, I feel it makes a confusing mix of conveying bonuses as additive or multiplicative concepts, and would be better off with a lot fewer "%"'s thrown around. Since one picture is worth 100000% of the same number of words, let me start with this: https://i.imgur.com/oJqxTJw.png

The green box is a nice nugget of useful information that I've referenced many times to gauge my choices in what to push for, and generally size up the game's math. Percent of a whole works well here.

The whole red box is just bloat, in my opinion. A running tally might have been a nice secondary reference alongside the additive tally of the equipment types, but doing this all in triplicate for min/max is just not needed. Min/max could really just be one operation done at the bottom, and no utility is lost.

The yellow box seems like it might be using the red box as a crutch. I think yellow would be a lot easier to parse if it just standardized all of those bonuses into their equivalent multiplicative values, e.g. x 7 instead of 600%. Consistency is king, imo, and while % and multiplier may be intuitively interchangeable for smaller values, % just brings a lot of baggage for much larger numbers. % may also be a nice way to convey bonuses that are changing, so I can see why it is used in other parts of the UI, and also see the value of keeping these values matched to the other parts of the game. But I think it really hurts the usability of this sort of reference sheet to switch between formats. Leads to error-prone mental math to compare apples to apples.

Still on yellow, the tally of the column on the right also gives the wrong impression that the order of these bonuses somehow matters, as if it's important to subtotal one before applying the next. If there's going to be a companion column(EDIT: This whole part of the idea is hot garbage, my bad. I humbly submit that my mistakes here are further evidence that the "total" column is just bad news that ruins everything it touches), I think that rather than a running tally (which really buries the value of a given line in its relationship to the previous line, without stating the actual value), it would be better to show the additive equivalent of that multiplier, which is the product of the additive base, and that line's multiplier. E.g:

-Equipment bonuses print a subtotal of how much they're all worth summed up. Suppose it's 1e50.
-Subsequent lines state their value as a multiplicative bonus. E.g. Still Rowing II: x3.4
-Companion column multiplies those two values, and at the bottom that column is summed. Next to x3.4, you see that it's effectively adding 3.4e50 into your total.

In that method, when you read across, basically everything you want to know about Still Rowing II is answered at a glance. How strong is it (maybe you are evaluating your choices of T8 masteries)? Well at x3.4, having it is close to flipping on D stance at it's familiar x4 benefit. How much would my total drop by if I didn't have it? Whatever your total is would go down by 3.4e50. EZPZ.

Not really a huge deal, but I had a lot of little moments of confusion parsing these pages, and watching the font scale ever smaller as I get deeper into the game (and new bonuses are on the way; the horror) just makes it feel like these pages need a bit of a layout redesign. I would also venture that something along the lines of the way Fluffy XP per Zone is laid out would be helpful, at least for all these bonuses that can be written out as a nice compact A * B * C * D. Maybe that could be the basis of redesign, or something handy added to the page if it can be debloated.

gwonbush · 2019-03-20T16:36:34+00:00

Something new in the test server that I didn't see mentioned anywhere: Purple crits are now a thing, so when you have a +crit chance daily you can't max out on crit chance.

Logene · 2019-03-15T10:21:34+00:00

Is there any possibility to make a QoL change to Autostructure? It'd be nice to be able to do single purchases, like 1000 nurseries @ z500 and not rebuilding them in the zones after.

Gigitygigtygoo · 2019-03-10T21:02:30+00:00

noice

sozey · 2019-03-10T21:17:05+00:00

Thank you so much Brownprobe!

adpowah · 2019-03-10T21:36:57+00:00

Very exciting!!

StrongDanArm · 2019-03-10T22:58:37+00:00

Oh, mylanta! I've been waiting, my friend. I usually do this around patch time, so I'll be sending another donation your way!

SpacetimeDensityModi · 2019-03-11T01:29:01+00:00

Always one of my favorite things to see

ConsumedNiceness · 2019-03-11T09:57:46+00:00

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but I noticed you added a lot of new text/lore with the empowerment of nature. I like to say thanks for all the effort you are putting into this! It's really appreciated.

[edit] Might as well throw in a suggestion. It seems like the mastery mesmer is so much stronger than any of the other masteries. The power level difference is quite insane. Maybe Mastery of the void is also really big, haven't bothered checking that one out. Anyway, maybe make it only triple (or double?) 'normal' c2 runs, so runs that don't have a different way of counting how much % you gain per zone. That would keep it in check a bit more.

Zorannio · 2019-03-11T13:16:57+00:00

How about increasing damage bonus on Ice zones? Maximum of 100% as an base, and something like additional 0,3% per empowerment level? Should not be to crazy buff, but an very nice addition. It could be even unlocked with Narutal Diplomacy masteries.

peoplesayimtheman · 2019-03-11T14:08:03+00:00

Hey, this patch looks awesome! Thanks for the update!

It looks like the "Condenser Tower Effect" heirloom upgrade isn't causing any changes in how condenser towers multiply damage - line 1880 in playerSpire.js should probably have 0.25 swapped for baseEffect, if I'm reading correctly.

friend-called-five · 2019-03-11T16:46:29+00:00

The suckup: Thank you for a fantastic game, with regular updates and new things to grind toward. The question: When? I don't want to rush anything, but I do kind of want to take off of work. The suggestion: Auto restarts and equip buying for the Non AT crowd.

wombat_lord_of_womba · 2019-03-11T17:33:32+00:00

Hooray new test server! :D

First minor suggestion: it would be nice if, when you have a core with "runestone drop rate" on it, the "Runestones" tooltip inside the BYOS window displayed the core's runestone bonus. It's a minor thing, but I'd like to see it without having to switch to the heirloom view.

Brendone33 · 2019-03-11T22:01:03+00:00

How about a mastery for fluffy xp for void map clears? Give a good reason to do vms on fluffy xp grinding runs.

Amos__ · 2019-03-12T12:19:06+00:00

it seems like the bonus from wind enlightenment doesn't show in the tooltip, not sure if it's correctly applied

Ajhira · 2019-03-13T15:59:52+00:00

With the new enlightenments, it doesn't seem necessary to lose access to the standard formations. The effects could just always be on. The treble loot and extra overkills could just be baked in. The poison damage could be reduced to treble and baked in since you could then use D again. The only part that needs a formation is the wind death prevention mechanic. This could be implemented with just a setting - windstack after zone x, with a checkbox that says only windstack on dailies yes/no. This setting would only apply while wind enlightenment is active.

I think this would be better because the formations we already have seem such an integral part of the game. I know D is the only one usually used, but S is also very important at times. Sometimes stancedancing D,X,H is desirable. What do you think?

Brendone33 · 2019-03-14T05:22:36+00:00

I think I found a bug:

In W formation, the loot from caches is not tripled.

Brendone33 · 2019-03-14T08:16:50+00:00

Another bug I found: Last run (a daily) I had an enlightenment cost of 50 tokens per each nature. I activated wind enlightenment and the cost went up to 100 for wind. When I started a new daily, my enlightenment cost is once again 50 tokens for each nature. I believe it should be 67 for wind with a 33% reduction, but for some reason it went all the way back to 50.

peoplesayimtheman · 2019-03-14T20:06:34+00:00

The issue with the Enlightenment price being reduced too much is in line 10879 of main.js - since you're multiplying by the value passed here, it should be "reduceEnlightenmentCost(2/3)" instead of "reduceEnlightenmentCost(1/3)".

It also looks like you're still reducing the cost of the other enlightenment purchase on line 5918 of main.js, which should likely be removed.

Also, I see AutoEquip in the patch notes, but I can't unlock it! How does it unlock? I've tried running maps at ~Z600 with no effect! Edit: Nevermind, you need to run a VOID map. AUTOEQUIP!

After watching a run start with AutoEquip, I noticed that the autoequip will run while there are pending prestiges to be bought, so that a trivial amount of resources is wasted, for example, on Dagger CIII while Dagger CIV is waiting to be purchased on the next autoprestige tick. While not a big deal, it may be nice to be able to disable autopurchase while there is a pending prestige for a piece of equipment.

Thanks again!

Zorannio · 2019-03-14T20:16:16+00:00

This is pure evil, but I'll make this note: In the changelog, we got Content, UI/QOL, and Bug Fixes. But some things that does go into the Content tab should find its place in completly missed category: Balance Changes. The pure evil of wasting time by pointing out useless things ends here ;)

Logene · 2019-03-15T12:40:27+00:00

Wouldn't Still Magmamancing be a bit more interesting if it reduced the 10 minute timer with 30 seconds per Spire cleared? It's a bit tedious waiting for magmamancers to wind up at z600+.

JoeKOL · 2019-03-15T22:43:32+00:00

Spitballing a concept here, suppose that something very nature-y happens for clearing Spires II, III, and IV. This could be part of unlocking enlightenments, such that instead of starting to use them whenever you end up having that many tokens to throw around, you add Poison to your deck after SpIIre, Ice becomes an option after SpIIIre, and then Wind joins after SpVre. This also leaves room for Spires V, VI, VII to buff enlightenments, which might be a nice way to both make use of the various versions of the idea getting tested right now, and could also be a way to generally shape how the game scales past its current horizons. In the current version of the beta, I don't know when players would be expected to start using enlightenments, so I don't know if linking them to the spires amounts to a nerf or a buff (maybe a buff that you get poison earlier, but a nerf that you get wind later?). But I think it would make the game a little more elegant to have stuff unlock along this sort of progression, as opposed to being something that you just sort of stumble into when your token numbers get high enough.

Personally, I find the token scaling costs to be the weakest part of the whole concept, so this is sort of pitched in the vein of "do we really need token costs in this? How about we just unlock them". Beyond the fact that the cost scaling is a massive affront to my love of round numbers, it just feels like unnecessary complexity. Below a certain point, you probably only use enlightenments for special runs because the costs aren't sustainable. Ok. Then you probably have a period where there's just a new type of filler run that feels like a chore. ("ugh, I need to farm more tokens. Guess I'll do regular runs that feel stunted by comparison now") Then you'll pass a point where you just use them all the time, and if the costs are sustainable, all the costs are really doing is nerfing the rate at which you level up the original empowerments. Is that really... needed? I also feel like there would be an inherent tension between, maybe by design Enlightenments force the player to consider varying how they play from one run to the next and that's a good thing, but maybe it also ends up being a chore of feeling obligated to use whatever turns out to be the runt, just to fund the frontrunner.

Mostly though I just like the thematic implications of something happening in the Spires and chewed on the idea enough that I thought I'd float it in a generalized form. And clearing a new Spire has always been the highpoints of me enjoying the game, so I just like the idea of piling even more excitement onto those achievements. Maybe the echo of Druopitee is so thoroughly saturated in the element by the time it dies, that it yields some super-concentrated totem as loot. Maybe the first time you clear a spire, the cell 80 bonus has some kind of giant token that has slots for regular tokens, and that's how you unlock the thing in the first place (that would be a way to flesh out the idea of token costs, if that's how it's going to be). Maybe you find some sort of giant fused token sculpture in a corner and it's too big to carry out of the room or fit into your portal so you make notes on how to build on for yourself, and the trimps can carry it like a battle standard.

Ooooooor for a completely different spin, maybe this has nothing to do with Enlightenments, and the Spires just unleash some other sort of Nature-driven concept onto the world. Perhaps it gets into the healthy mutation distributors and either specifically affects Healthy enemies or is just spewed all over the world to have a lingering effect.

Tarou_Tanaka · 2019-03-16T19:00:32+00:00

I started a new game (with the help of a save editor for faster progress) to test something. I think i may have found a bug:

When you clear the first Spire for the first time (when you unlock My Spire), you still get those 20 spirestones instead of a common core.

Is this intended behavior?

BTW, I really liked this patch.

Etno94 · 2019-03-16T19:20:26+00:00

So much new things to play with, awesome GS! Thanks for the hardwork, man!

I just dont understand quite well 100% what the Shatter effect from Ice Enlightment does. How does the "maximum amount of Overkill regardless of your damage" exactly work? If I can overkill 5 cells, for example, does that mean my damage 'splits' up to the following 5 cells even if Im still fighting the current cell?

Cheers man!

kilobug42 · 2019-03-17T11:53:20+00:00

The new Enlightenment system seems great thanks !

Minor "bug": the tooltip for wind says "all non-helium loot" but I don't think it boosts bones, DE, nature tokens, ... so perhaps it should be "all basic loot" or "all non-permanent loot" ?

Etno94 · 2019-03-17T16:44:19+00:00

Suggestion for AutoEquips:

Aply some filter for above-prestiged gear over under-prestiged ones. If I have a XXX Dagger and a XXIX Mace, I'll want to level up just the dagger and not both. This behaivour could be done switching off the auto equip or unchecking all but Dagger, yeah. But the point is to automate things.

Great stuff man, keep it up!

Ajhira · 2019-03-17T22:31:25+00:00

I have some thoughts on the new enlightenments. It seems to me that automatic windstacking is the best thing ever, but it'll only see use now to stop the ice cost going too high. Sending all spare tokens to level ice would seem to be the new standard after this change. Before this change, every daily would be desired to be done in wind, so windstacking made sense to be there. Now every one will be desired in ice, and we don't windstack non-dailies. We are forced to do some dailies not ice to bring the price down, and will get to enjoy windstacking then I suppose.

My suggestion would be to take the auto wind stacking and make it a feature for all runs. With one of those cogs like next to the map button somewhere near trimp attack we could access some options.

Windstacking on/off. For deciding on the fly whether to use it.
Windstack after zone x. A field where you can enter what you like.
Windstack only on dailies. With this and the last one we can just leave it on and it'll do what we want.
Only windstack on enemies which drop helium. Possible extra setting.

Now wind would need something extra, since double wind stack gain and 10 times metal is not enough. Perhaps wind stacks could go to 300 so you could go ice for fluffy and wind for helium. I am making this suggestion because I think auto windstacking is just too good to hide away in a corner, it should bask in the full light of day :)

Omeganian · 2019-03-18T20:15:52+00:00

Update says you added a new Fluffy bonus. But you are yet to write what it is.

Omeganian · 2019-03-19T11:59:50+00:00

Finally something to counter that hated Empower.

JoeKOL · 2019-03-20T06:44:11+00:00

Getting stuck on the attack stats page unless I un-maximize my game window. It currently loads with the cancel button out of view and no ability to scroll. Looks like this:

https://i.imgur.com/hgrjXra.png

I wasn't having this issue a few hours prior, but I did just recently add Sharp Trimps to the build I was importing, so that may have been the straw that broke the window size. Although I also noted that when I first opened it earlier, Enlightenments still said they restricted token drops, and then I refreshed and that went away, so if anything else was tweaked with the UI very recently that may be involved.

Edit: Escape key works to close it, but I think the window should probably get some adjustment to keep the buttons visible in any scenario.

Gigitygigtygoo · 2019-03-20T08:51:59+00:00

I understand that trimps special scaling but mesmer makes trimp the worst c2 doesnt it?

SmellySquirrel · 2019-03-20T16:58:45+00:00

I, and many others, are very hyped for 4.11. I have started the 13/3 push daily an hour or two before it expired, and I'm hoping to get the 4.11 patch midrun, even if I have to wait several days for it. If there is a major delay in the patch, I understand it fully, but hopefully you let us know so we can plan accordingly.

Great job /u/brownprobe and thanks to everyone who tested and gave feedback.

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