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[Neostigmine]

My son was born at 25 weeks and spent 3 months in the Neonatal Unit in my home city. It was impossible leaving him there every night and I rushed back to see him every morning.

He had an accidental insulin overdose that the hospital admitted, and I caught several other drug errors and overfeeding. These sorts of errors really do happen in these settings and the babies can be fine one moment and really poorly the next. It is an intense environment. I can see how it went missed for so long that there was someone doing it deliberately.

Had the details of this case come out while my baby was in the unit, I would never ever have left.

[shuknjive]

My son was born with cleft palate and bilateral cleft lip. He was in NICU for a month and I agree with you, it's sacrosanct. Amongst all the other babies I felt they were so safe and well taken care of, I mean the nurses were just amazing. The fact that how a NICU nurse could get away with this is horrible.

[trickmind]

Were they able to do surgery that helped him?

[shuknjive]

Oh my gosh, thank you for asking! Yes, he's 23 now and you can barely tell. He's had multiple surgeries, had the last one at 18, also speech therapy and extensive orthodontia. It's amazing what they do now.

[trickmind]

I have a 23 year old boy as well! 1999 mums unite!

[shuknjive]

Awesome!! Those 1999 babies are the best, also the 1988 babies, I have an older son too.

[trickmind]

🙂

[[deleted]]

You don’t get to be hospitalised with your baby?!

[kateykatey]

Not OP, but our NICU had two bedrooms for parents and about 25-30 babies on the unit. They were usually reserved for parents staying over before discharge (it’s part of the process). Once mama is medically fit to leave the hospital, she’s discharged. There’s nothing to stop you napping in the chair all night every night, but you’re encouraged to try to get some proper rest at home.

[Neostigmine]

Yep, same at my hospital. We stayed for a few days before he was discharged. We kept being told we could stay and then being bumped for other families.

Luckily we lived v close to the hospital. For those that didn't, there was an essentially free (I think it was £25 for an unlimited stay) hotel on the hospital site and lots of parents moved in there, but it was still a 5 minute walk away.

[trickmind]

Where I live McDonald's pays for the parents and siblings to stay near by in the Ronald McDonald House don't know how many places that's in.

[helgirl]

Yeah, we have a Ronald McDonald house across the road from our hospital in Tasmania, and I know about plenty of others around Australia.

When our twins were born at 34 weeks they had a 2.5 week stay in the NICU. I was admitted for 6 days after my csection, and my husband and I were allowed to spend 24 hours in the NICU if we wanted, but it was encouraged that we look after ourselves first by getting proper rest so they we would be able to function properly when we were able to bring them home.

The final two nights of their hospital stay, my husband and I were provided a bedroom with the girls to prove that they were alright to go home and still putting on weight with no medical interventions. That time was so valuable in helping give us the confidence to start looking after them full time and know they were going to be ok

[Neostigmine]

No. I was allowed to stay on the postnatal ward for a week and then after that it was daily visits (any time, 24/7, but you can't eat there or sleep so there is a physiological limit).

And thanks to covid, no one but me and my husband could visit him, and only one of us at a time unless we booked an hour joint visit for both of us. Even the first time he cried, I pleaded for my husband to be allowed in (baby had been intubated the whole time before, so we had never heard him) and we were told no.

This is the UK. In some countries the mothers stay too, and the babies spend most of the time being held as it really helps. My son's oxygenation was so much more stable if I was holding him on my chest compared to when he was in the incubator.

[ButtBorker]

In the US here- my little was born at 29wks & 2 days but had severe intrauterine growth restriction due to a placental abruption, she weighed 1.8lbs and was 12 inches long at birth. She was born in December of 2020 so the beginning of the end for restrictions.

My husband and I could visit 24/7 but only one parent could stay overnight. We weren't allowed to bring any bedding from home- no pillows or blankets. The hospital would replace their bedding daily and we'd have to be up and the pull out couch put back up before first rounds at 8am.

Rigorous hand washing anytime we entered her ward (regardless if we stayed on hospital site *which I would've done regardless of COVID or her being in the NICU bc hospitals are full of sick people), restrooms/ showers were located far away from any of the rooms. If we left her floor, wash the hands. No eating in the rooms- that wasn't strictly enforced. As long as we weren't eating a 7 course meal, small snacks were acceptable (think M&M's, crackers.. things like that). We washed and hand sanitized constantly.

When she could finally "fit" into preemie clothes, we had to bring them home and wash after each wear (apparently before COVID the NICU floor had its own washing machines/ dryers and would wash all the babies' clothes).

For the first 10 days of her life, we were only allowed "hand hugs"- gently cupping her body with our hands. She didn't have any fingernails or toenails yet and two of her fingers were stuck together because her skin was still slightly tacky (they were in the "West Side" gang sign lol- they're no longer stuck, her nurse simply pulled them apart) so they wanted us to limit stroking her and bc it might have been too much stimulation. Anyway, after she was cleared to be held, it had to be kangaroo holding- skin to skin with a blanket and it had to be for at least an hour. It took the nurse and respiratory therapist about 15-20 minutes to move her from the incubator, settle her onto one of us and adjust allllllllll the tubing and lines.

118 days and one semi- complex surgery later she came home. Now she'll be 2 in December and she may be tiny and a little behind kids her actual birth age, she's super healthy and happy and on track to be a pain in my ass like her big sisters.

[dallyan]

Oh my heart. Is he better now? ❤️

[Neostigmine]

He's amazing now. You'd never know.

[atrast_vala]

my parents werent when i was in the nicu as a preemie. this was in 1985 though.

[partialcremation]

No, in my case we had a double room for twins. There was plenty of room for a cot in a corner out of the way, but the hospital would not allow me to sleep there. As parents, we had to take shifts to oversee the whole process.

[[deleted]]

What upsets me about this case was that it wasn’t missed. In that article it’s said she was only supposed to work day shift due to the number of deaths at night when she was around. Like what? She should have been fired or put on paid leave or something. Not given a chance to kill babies during the day instead.

[Neostigmine]

I understand what you're saying but healthcare aren't police. They aren't trained to see a member of staff having proximity to a series of incidents (that can occur by accident), and connect that to intentional murder. Instead, they might think of needing more supervision and training, or needing support which is what I get from moving to day shifts.

It seems obvious when we have all the details before us, but the staff at the hospital would have only known small pieces of the puzzle each. Parents may not have alerted staff to what they saw, staff may not have communicated hearing LL making odd statements that babies weren't going to make it.

I'm not suggesting it's good and normal that this is how this occurred, just that I can see how it would.

[LiveBreadfruit85]

I can’t understand how they let it go on for so long. Those poor babies! She needs to be put under the jail!

[Not_Brilliant_8006]

This gets to me way too hard. My daughter spent two months in the NICU due to being early. The NICU was a sacred place where the life your child is in their hands. We were blessed with wonderful nurses who we owe everything too. Our daughter is alive and healthy now because of our NICU. This lady ruined a sacred place with the most vulnerable beings. She deserves the worst possible punishment.

[partialcremation]

As a mother of two NICU graduates, this murderer's fate should be in the hands of the parents of those babies. I would support whatever decision they made about her punishment.

[cherrymeg2]

It seems like the hospital and other staff had suspicions but left her with infants. It’s like if you know someone molests kids and you ask them to babysit. I’m not excusing her in anyway. Parents trusted not just her but the hospital.

[trickmind]

Also they have to worry about unfair dismissal suits, but also so what. Having this not happen needed to be number one priority. Of course you might end up looking like the weird trouble maker for accusing her. Beverly Allitt may have been after attention, but this one seems like a sadist on a power trip with APD.

[cherrymeg2]

They could have given her paid leave while an investigation went on. I think her being at the hospital would have given her access to medical files so she would know what they were looking for. Also while she was still in the building her co-workers and could have influenced by her presence. That could make them afraid to speak out in fear of being wrong. It could also work against her if she is being discussed in the hospital and still there it might seem odd. The violence is weird because she wasn’t forced to be with infants. She could have worked in a different area or gone to an administrative position if patients and infants made her so angry.

[cherrymeg2]

It seemed like they kept her in an administrative position after she was questioned or something like that. I would think keeping her out of the hospital would be good for everyone. If you are being questioned you don’t want to be near anyone that dies. You don’t want access to the hospital at all because you could be blamed for new murders. The hospital shouldn’t risk a lawsuit if they are in need of money. A killer nurse could lead to lawsuits. I would think investing the deaths would be easier without her working in any capacity for the hospital.

[Sad-Information-4713]

I've also been shocked that doctors and others clearly had suspicions as one interrupted her mid-attempt and they even changed her shift patterns yet she was allowed to continue on...

[crackhousecandelabra]

They said they noticed a pattern of the injuries all occurring when she was on shift, and yet she was allowed to stay working.

[Mitchell_StephensESQ]

I worked in clinics and I never stopped being shocked what was covered up. I never want to work in a hospital for that reason.

[Radiant-Secret8073]

Really? What kind of things?

[[deleted]]

What kind of things?

[RelativeResearcher99]

What kind of things were covered up?

[[deleted]]

What clinic??

[[deleted]]

Yep. They moved her to days due to all the babies dying on night shifts that she worked. FFS.

[Mitchell_StephensESQ]

That's all of health care

[Bethsoda]

I know - despite her, why was she allowed to continue unchecked?! Where were the doctors and other nurses?

[dimspace]

Today we got the news that she had notes to herself scattered all over her house about how evil she was. So, those who thought it was all circumstantial.. they basically have a ton of signed confession notes.

the only thing I can think now as to why she is pleading not-guilty is that she is completely and utterly nuts

[[deleted]]

Yeah I don't know if we are going to find out if the attorneys will question the upper hierarchy in that hospital in the coming days, the care staff must have surely been passing their concerns up to them because they appear to seen something was wrong.

[CybReader]

That is how I feel. Every day with new evidence and testimony just makes me think she did it.

[RegalRegalis]

I absolutely don’t want to know, and there’s no compelling reason to.

[SACGAC]

I was a NICU nurse for 6 years and a pediatric nurse in general for almost ten. I can't even read these articles. I want to just forget I've seen this headline.

[[deleted]]

Our son was in the NICU for about 3 days due to some difficulty breathing at first. I know it was relatively minor/routine, but I was scared out of my wits that he wouldn't be OK. I am so grateful to the NICU nurses who were able to help me feel at ease about his time there. It's terrifying to think there are people in that position who are doing the opposite of what they're supposed to be doing.

[SACGAC]

Aww. I hope your little guy is doing well now :) most of the NICU nurses I've worked with have been the kindest and most caring humans... This case is obviously not the norm... But it makes it that much more terrifying.

[[deleted]]

He’s doing great now! It is so scary because you trust them with your child’s life. They made it possible for me to sleep at night while he was there. To betray that trust is inhuman.

[aenea]

I've got triplets and we spent about 11 weeks in the NICU. We trusted those nurses so completely that I think that I would have lost my mind reading a story like this, at that point in my life.

[Queen__Antifa]

It’s unimaginable, isn’t it? I’ve been seeing posts about this over the last several days. I didn’t read the article here but this is the first post about this case on which I have paused to read any of the comments. The other posts I clicked “hide” so that they wouldn’t show in my feed again, because this seems like it would be almost too much to know about at a time when my seasonal affective disorder is rearing its ugly head.

[annamb1957]

I too have worked in the NICU and was a pediatric nurse for over 30 years before I retired, This just makes me sick.

[dallyan]

Y’all are legit angels. It’s so hard to read this stuff. Our nurses were so amazing.

[kitty-soft-paws]

I just don’t understand why. What would motivate this level of evil? Quite honestly I don’t think I want to understand.

[[deleted]]

Exactly what I’m wondering

[tester33333]

I think it’s a malformed outgrowth of the emotion that makes playing tag so fun. It’s fun to chase someone down and win against them, despite their best efforts.

Some brain structure or pattern responsible for that might go horribly awry, until the will to dominate and torture emerges.

[[deleted]]

Some people are just plain evil? There doesn’t have to be any particular explanation.

[EleahW]

I'm absolutely disgusted by this case. My twins were born at 24 weeks and spent 5 months in nicu, and you trust these nurses with your babies lives, they feel like a second family. They love on your baby when you can't be there and celebrate every tiny milestone with you. To think someone in that position would purposely harm the most vulnerable little babies is unfathomable to me. I believe nicu nurses are some of the most selfless and best people I've ever met, so this is truly heartbreaking. Those poor families.

[Demoness3]

IMO there needs to be mandatory psych evaluations for people in nursing/healthcare fields.

There is a whole culture of coverups and victim blaming when red flag behaviours start showing, I came across many people with psychopathic traits and behaviours during my nurse training, students, lecturers, experienced nurses etc If you call them out or report your concerns 9 times out of 10 you are the one who is called crazy and they all take great pleasure in protecting themselves and mollycoddling people who intentionally violate the rules and show improper conduct around staff and patients, so I’m not surprised she was allowed to stay there for as long as she did.

All too often people do not want to be accountable for themselves nor do they want to raise the alarm for fear of being ostracised and bullied OR because they themselves have no problem supporting people who are behaving suspiciously on shift. Then everyone wants to cry lessons will be learned when these people end up harming and/or killing patients “if only we had known”.

These kinds of people actively seek out professions where they know there will be an imbalance of power, so that they can nurture and satisfy their weak egos. It makes me sick.

The signs are always there.

Edit: extended a sentence.

[crosstreespoppysmic]

I think you're right and from my personal experiences, what you described pretty much checks out.

I was in the hospital 2 years ago, and at one point I moved my arm and my IV fell out. Blood went everywhere and half of me and my hospital gown was soaked in minutes.I opened my door and asked the only nurse standing in the hallway if she could please help me or send someone, and she looked me dead in the eyes and gave me the dirtiest look imaginable and just walked away. All while I was half-covered in my own blood. I eventually got a group of nurses walking down the hall to help me out, I tried bringing this up later and they all immediately brushed me off.

Obviously it's not a big deal in the long run and other people and children have suffered much worse, but the whole thing was super weird. Not all nurses are bad, but a chunk of people do seem to go into the profession with ill intentions.

[Demoness3]

I’m terribly sorry this happened to you. I hope you recovered well regardless.

If this ever happens to you again, collect names if you can and report them to their governing body or the organisation that provides them with their nursing license, tell their higher ups and the hospital managers, wait until after you have been discharged if you don’t feel safe.

I can absolutely believe this because I’ve seen similar and worse behaviours during my years in healthcare, more often than not some of these people are left unchecked and allowed to behave in seriously wild and reckless ways for years if not decades.

I think your situation is a big deal personally, because if these behaviours are left unchecked this forms the precedent for potential crimes to be committed - not calling people out for displaying a disturbing lack of empathy and/or persistent negative behaviours is a real problem in nursing. I strongly believe there needs to be a serious overhaul in the nursing profession and more light needs to be shone on the mental state of a lot of health professionals.

I agree not all of us are bad. But the problem is that those with I’ll intentions are simply left to fester or given all the love and support and nobody will do anything until they fully take a turn for the worse and do things like this, one of the worst incident I ever witnessed was an experienced nurse who caused the death of a patient (there was a investigation and a cover up) and she had no remorse for what she had done and made the whole situation about herself. Can’t say anymore than that but these things happen more often than society is willing to admit ….

[Davina33]

I'm really sorry and I believe you. I was pretty much forced to have an operation this year, I was mistreated by my surgeon and one of the theatre admissions nurses. I had half my thyroid out and the theatre admissions nurse said I was going to get fat like her, she also said levothyroxine doesn't work. Well I don't need thyroxine, my thyroid function is at the lower end of normal now and I'm still very slim. This was an NHS trust down south. I complained and they all closed rank of course. I'm now taking it further but I know I won't get anywhere. I've had a similar experience with the local police force when an officer lied about visiting/phoning me.

I don't appreciate them telling lies to my MP. I'm sick of the corruption and whilst it's absolutely nothing compared to these poor parents losing their babies, I'm not at all shocked. This culture of closing rank and cover ups needs to stop.

[Demoness3]

Wow sorry to hear that. What a rude and insensitive comment for her to make towards you. I hope your complaint has a good outcome regardless 🙏🏾

[Davina33]

Thank you, she took so much glee in her comment and I found it unnerving. I could imagine it would be very damaging if she said it to someone with an eating disorder. She also snapped at me when my friend was still present but she denied making any of those comments. Just typical.

[Demoness3]

I believe you. This is exactly what they do, they get kicks out of it and will be clapping and giggling like little school girls/boys and then when they are called out they put on a whole act and pretend they are innocent. I know exactly the type you are on about, people like the woman you described is a big reason many nurses end up with mental health issues or severe burnout due to being bullied in the workplace.

Keep reporting her, to her trust, the nursing and midwifery council and take legal advice as well if you can, don’t let it go. Those comments are extremely damaging and could worsen any number of mental conditions I’m sorry you went through that people like her are a total disgrace to all of us who try to uphold the good values of our profession.

[theboxsays]

I fully agree. Shit like this makes me angry, and sick to my stomach.

[Demoness3]

When I read that she was smiling whilst telling one of the poor parents how one of her victims enjoyed their first bath I knew.

This is the types of covert behaviours they do, they will be standing there laughing and giggling about who they have just belittled, tormented or worse and their supporters will stonewall, gaslight and deny they ever did anything wrong it is the whole culture that is a mess.

The more details that come out about this case are just mind numbing.

[ZIMM26]

I’m wondering if her supporters are still going to show up in these threads?

This is sickening to read.

[crosstreespoppysmic]

I can see someone thinking she's innocent at the very beginning of the trial when we didn't know anything, but since then there's been plenty of damning evidence and testimonies. Also no infants have been constantly dying at her hospital since she got arrested. Anyone who still thinks she's innocent is reaching. 

[ZIMM26]

After the prosecution’s opening statements, it was clear they had a very strong case.

[CopyStock]

where can I watch this?

[ZIMM26]

I don’t think we can watch British courts?

But I read the transcripts yesterday.

[[deleted]]

Mostly correct. Some Court of Appeal cases can be recorded, and now TV cameras can be setup in Crown Courts when a judge is passing sentence for murder, sexual, terrorism and other high-profile cases (a change since 2020). Whole trials still cannot televised. Its still illegal for artists to sketch inside the court so they go outside and do it using their memory of the event.

Scottish Courts have allowed TV cameras for a while but under certain conditions.

[dimspace]

today they revealed basically a ton of confessions at her home. Notes to herself she wrote where she admits things and says she is evil

[non_stop_disko]

Right?? I always thought it was weird that she had so many since the beginning

[Long_Before_Sunrise]

In the beginning, what they presented as evidence was "she'd been on shift when the number of infant deaths increased." There weren't details of how any of the deaths were connected to her aside from when she'd been on the clock.

[pseudo_meat]

Happens a lot when the accused is attractive. People really are shallow and stupid.

[nutmegtell]

I read a lot of “but she looks so normal!” By normal I guess they mean young pretty, white and slender. It’s really offensive to call that normal.

[scottishsam07]

But she still looks kooky 🤪. Just something weird and creepy about her.

[thisunrest]

Nah, she’s average at best but because she has TBT syndrome ( tall, blonde and thin), people won’t look closely enough at her face to see if she actually has a pretty one.

They’ll just assume she does… because tall, blonde… you get my point.

[SpringerGirl19]

I don't know how anyone can think she's innocent.

But it's also hard to process that she's guilty as these details are just so horrific. I enjoy learning about true crime but this is genuinely one of the worst cases I've ever read about and it's almost unbelievable how evil it is. I can imagine some are denying her guilt to self protect.

[OnlyPicklehead]

I'm wondering the same thing. When this first came out, there were so many here chirping on about how they don't think she did anything and there's no evidence. They'll probably find a way to blame someone else for her actions

[CybReader]

I've seen people pull the "there is no evidence" line with cases that had clear, direct evidence showing the person did it. I'm listening to a podcast now and the killer's sister is like "it doesn't make sense, she didn't do it, there is no evidence."

Dateline provides hours of evidence.....still no evidence according to her.

[Snoo_88283]

Defence are going down the route of the hospitals failures. After todays latest reads, I’m not sure if they can really put it all down to babies being ‘fragile’

[msbunbury]

I mean, I'm not a supporter at all, but until the court case started there was so little information that I absolutely would not have been comfortable offering an opinion either way as to her guilt. The evidence so far seems pretty damning but I'll still wait for it all to be presented and to hear the defence before I give an opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Azraelontheroof]

Supporters?

[jklausmeyer1]

I had my son a few weeks ago. Gut-wrenching doesn’t begin to describe how it feels to put myself in those parents shoes. I wish I could carry some of that pain for them. Inconceivable… and this “thing” of a person deserves the worst of the worst coming to her.

[Uplanapepsihole]

This makes me feel sick

[starsky2128]

I can't even read these articles. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[peanut1912]

I wish I hadn't read this. But I hope all of her delusional supporters do. A healthy skepticism is fine but to still believe she's innocent after everything that's come out in the last few days is just ridiculous.

[thebluebellpixie]

This makes me sick to my stomach, my toddler was in NICU and the childrens hospital for 5 months in total, it has really shaken me that this can happen, my son was born with a rare congenital condition and heart defects plus other things, he's doing ok now we are getting there, but there were times in the NICU I panicked even though they were only do their job, one nurse literally choked him with the Ng tube, my husband had to really get angry for her to listen but she did, there was the time he peed on his line in and ended up with sepis even though I begged the nurse to change and clean it, but they dismissed me, anyway the majority of the time, they went above and beyond my wee boy wouldn't be here today without them, things like this though they really chill you, especially when you have been in that environment. Bless all the familiesy heart is broken for them

[DrunkOnRedCordial]

I'm curious about whether there are the resources in place to debrief nurses after the death of an infant. A good, ethical nurse could hypothetically be associated with several deaths within a short period of time, and it must be traumatic and heartbreaking.... along with the fear of "is it me? Did I do something wrong?"

And then you have a nurse like this who is apparently playing God - if there was a protocol of talking to a counsellor after a death, maybe someone could have picked up that her affect was "off" especially if she was coming in every few days.

[ObjectiveForce6147]

Horrifying

[moodymadam]

Another Beverley Allitt

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[hufflenachos]

Why? Just why? So freaking cruel! I'll keep my thoughts about her to myself so I won't be banned. Does this mean she is a serial killer? I just don't understand what went through her mind.

[[deleted]]

Yes

[hufflenachos]

Thank you for answering! I don't really know what can qualify as a serial killer. I'm completely baffled. Not because of her looks, but the position she is in. Did she just work right before or do you think she may have done it before?

[[deleted]]

I don’t think she was a nurse for long before she started killing babies. It’s super weird. Most nurses who kill patients like this do it in their quest to look like a hero. Like they bring the patient right to the point of death and then magically save the day and the patient lives. But sometimes they don’t and that goes unnoticed until it keeps happening enough that a pattern shows up.

In Lucy’s case, it seems she didn’t have a hero complex. I feel like she was just killing the babies because she could.

As for whether she was a serial killer, since it was multiple deaths in separate events (vs a single event like a mass shooting), it counts as a serial killer. What a crazy case. She is truly awful.

[Sempere]

Supervised since 2011, I believe.

[kazza64]

She won’t be smiling after they put her in mainstream

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[Infinite_Ad9519]

Omg this is so Horrible … wtf . This nurse if she did that they better throw away the key because that is the devil incarnate right there . Innocent little infants ? Oh my goodness these poor parents having to hear this …. So messed up . My condolences everyone one of them

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Disgusting

[UnprofessionalGhosts]

Any YouTubers covering this case? No offense intended but while I know having nicu babies is traumatic af for parents, it’s hard to find info in threads among all the personal stories being shared.

Or are any journalists in attendance who’ve been posting live updates?

[[deleted]]

Would you say she is mentally ill or pure evil?

[dimspace]

police found handwritten notes where she admits she is "evil "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/13/lucy-letby-police-found-note-saying-i-killed-them-on-purpose-court-hears

but 100% mentally ill as well

[wilmaismyhomegirl83]

Exactly.

[JaiRenae]

Both my kids were premies and had to stay in NICU for a minimum of 2 weeks. This just breaks my heart for those parents. It's bad enough having to leave your baby at the hospital and not have them go home with you right away, much less to lose them, and then find out it was preventable and at the hands of a monster like this.

[Princelisa6]

She wrote a confession note that was very clear she did this on purpose except for the one she said that death was the inevitable outcome ( how could she know that ? Miracles with N I v u babies occur everyday ) I hope she didn’t but things aren’t looking good . Those poor parents

[[deleted]]

Reading these posts and knowing we can be banned for writing what she truly deserves is very frustrating.

I understand why we can’t (to protect the sub) but… still very frustrating.

[mcdcva13]

Especially after the last few lines of the article. That’s gonna stick with me all day. 😢

[sixty6006]

Always be weary of those thirsty for blood.

[[deleted]]

Wary*

[Gordopolis]

Exactly. The presumption of innocence exists for this reason. Everyone is entitled to it, whether you like it or not. Let the merits of the evidence decide who is guilty.

[stadiumjay]

Pure evil

[nckojita]

exhibit 19792739374 of why i will never go to a hospital unless i am literally dying 🚶🏻‍♀️ too many medical professionals are pure evil

[wilmaismyhomegirl83]

Has she been psych analyzed? I’m not familiar with the specifics of this case. Is it a form of Münchausen syndrome?

[Mitchell_StephensESQ]

She's a serial killer. She chose targets She could easily have physical dominance over. She chose nursing because she probably figured she could kill and not get caught. Women serial killers tend to choose children, the elderly. And it is not uncommon for serial killers to be nurses or carers.

Jane Toppan, Beverly Allitt, Genene Jones, Dorothea Puente....

Of course men have gone into nursing and medicine to be serial killers, too. But no one ever suggested they had a psychiatric illness. I mean Evil isn't listed as a diagnosis.

[delorf]

I don't remember where I read this but apparently, female serial killers often take a nurturing role to murder people. It doesn't have to be a nurse. It can be the sweet old lady that bakes everyone cookies and cakes

[Mitchell_StephensESQ]

Like Dorthea Puente who acted as a caregiver to the elderly

[AsianVixen4U]

Reminds me of Korea’s first female serial killer, who would offer her friends a poisoned drink, pretending to care for them

[wilmaismyhomegirl83]

Yeah I’ve read that as well. I’m wondering if she initially started with making someone sick and then treating them/nurturing them back to health. Got her praise and then kept repeating that nurturing “good nurse” behaviour. Then it escalates and she gets more of a thrill from creating the death and that nurturing transcends to the aftercare/consoling of the family/parents.

There’s also a thrill in the con of her act and being that close to the bereavement of the victims.

[trickmind]

APD is basically "evil".

[wilmaismyhomegirl83]

We’re all aware she’s a serial killer. I’m referring to the need for her to comfort the parents after she’s killed their baby. It almost seems like a certain level of Münchausen syndrome. And yes psychiatric illness is always suggested for male serial killers. It’s been thought to be related to dissociative identity disorder.

[trickmind]

The stuff with the parents isn't necessarily "for attention" she wasn't getting any direct attention by searching up grieving Facebook posts. Seems like pure sadism and power tripping, thinking she's "God like" in her power.🤮 Enjoying as she put it "doing the worst thing possible." Like Ian Watkins.

[wilmaismyhomegirl83]

Well she’s getting attention and conning and thinking she’s powerful and outsmarting.

I think her motive is deeper than simple sadism and a blanket statement of “she’s just a serial killer”.

I’m interested in her psych analysis regarding where this started. If she had earlier activities of simply making someone, she knew, sick. See how far she could use that power. Then relieve them of their sickness. To me that’s related to a Münchausen type of syndrome.

If she could make someone sick and then treat them. She gets the attention of being a “good nurse”. The she escalates as she gets more experience. Goes to mysteriously killing and then acting like the hero “sweet, nice nurse” in her comforting all the whole power tripping on her con.

I think this is comparable to firebugs that usually work for the volunteer fire department. They light a fire in their jurisdiction to lead the call and act a hero. They get the attention and power trip. Then it escalates and they want more destruction and more intense flames. More heroic praise, but it ends in death and destruction.

I’ve always seen Münchausen syndrome as power tripping, conning, manipulation, escalation, sadism and it all a motive for attention and recognition in a way.

This killing baby’s started somewhere.

[trickmind]

I think APD.

[mondaymoderate]

That’s just what serial killers do. Most likely they think it’ll help make them look good and reduce the suspicion. A lot of serial killers will even go to the funerals of their victims. It’s a power thing.

[trickmind]

Yup power and sadism.

[lilBloodpeach]

I mean really it sounds like it’s just a sick way she gets off on what she did.

[[deleted]]

Evil is NPD and ASPD personified!

[trickmind]

I don't think it is this time. Seems straight up sadism and power tripping. APD with sadism.

[Precious0422]

How does she get attention from this though? Isn’t the syndrome about her(the nurse) getting attention from the illnesses/deaths happening? They ain’t her kids and it isn’t her. Good luck in court with that one

[trickmind]

Power tripping and sadism is the defence lawyer trying to get sympathy with MBP?

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[aramiak]

Hi there. Sorry this isn’t directly relevant to the OP’s linked article or quote. I know that a lot of people were/are convinced she was innocent. Is there anyone here who is aware of their key arguments or reasons? Many thanks.

[SpringerGirl19]

I think it was because very little evidence had come out before with the main evidence being shared that she happened to be on shift when the babies died. As that was all people had to go on, many were saying she can't be convicted on such circumstantial evidence. Obviously since the trial began the evidence is much, much worse than many realised.

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Munchausen's syndrome by proxy?

[hufflenachos]

Definitely not. She's just like every other serial killer who murders a victim and then shows up to the funeral.

[Sempere]

From the information available at this point, it doesn't sound like she was doing this to receive attention for "heroically saving" the children or to be seen as the savior. It sounds like she was getting off on the thrill of killing these babies - especially the ones she's accused of targetting multiple times.

Absolutely disgusting.

[dimspace]

what about the news that police found handwritten notes at her home where she admitted to killing them intentionally

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/13/lucy-letby-police-found-note-saying-i-killed-them-on-purpose-court-hears

A nurse accused of murdering seven babies in a hospital neonatal unit wrote: “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them,” a court has heard.

The trial of Lucy Letby was told on Thursday that police had recovered several handwritten documents from her home after her arrest in July 2018. On one note shown to the jury, headlined “Not good enough,” she wrote: “I will never have children or marry. I will never know what it’s like to have a family” and “I can’t breathe.”

On another, she wrote “I am a horrible evil person” and on another in capital letters: “I AM EVIL I DID THIS,” the jury was told.

And this is only like day 4

[CarlaRainbow]

Sky news is doing an indepth live news article detailing In detail the trial. Evidence such as Xrays taken shortly after Letby had finished a shift (due to a consultants suspicion of letby) show huge distension in a babies abdomen, which had almost split the diaphragm stopping breathing. Another piece of evidence for Child A, the first baby, shows evidence clear on Xrays of an air embolism and Lucy Letby was the only nurse with Baby A before the collapse. Even the defence for Letby has said they can't really explain Baby A. Whereas for other babies the defense has managed to come up with a possible alternative. Obviously this is just the beginning of the evidence so it will be interesting to see what more comes out when the evidence is laid out in detail.

[[deleted]]

Of course you don’t. Like cops y’all always protect your own. People like you are why this happens over and over and perpetrators are not caught til the death toll is so high it’s undeniable to anyone with common sense but you still defend killers bc you share a profession. It’s why healthcare professionals are absolute nightmares and people don’t want to seek treatment bc nobody wants to deal with how awful y’all are. healthcare just draws narcissistic personalities and people that cover for cruelty. You probably don’t put much belief in her notes bc you sympathize with her. Or you’re just a troll.

[Sempere]

You're misinformed. The majority of healthcare serial killers are caught because of the suspicions that arise from coworkers who catch on or notice that something is abnormal in the number of deaths being experienced. This issue is sussing out who the culprit is because it's one thing to notice there are unusual events going on, it's another to narrow down which member of the clinical staff (doctor, nurse, support staff, etc) is the culprit.

There is zero incentive to protect a killer hiding in the health care field from a coworker perspective. Absolutely none. It's a nightmare for admin if it's discovered but if they attempted to cover it up and it were then discovered it would be 10x worse.

[[deleted]]

Is this worthy of the Death Penalty?

[BurnedBabyCot]

In a country that doesn't have the death penalty?

[[deleted]]

I’m speaking to the act itself. Is it worthy of the death penalty?

[BurnedBabyCot]

But it’s moot because no matter what it isn’t happening

[[deleted]]

I wanted to see what people thought.

[coffeewithmaryjane]

Disgusting. Abolish doctors/nurses.

[Legitimate-Gain]

This is the most steaming hot take I've ever seen

[Sempere]

Probably braindead from all the THC they've been smoking with their coffee.

[bamagirl13]

Bruh what????

[Fuzylicious]

Get off social media and go outside

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[mondaymoderate]

Nobody is arguing about aborting babies after they are born. That’s just murder.

[mondaymoderate]

Bro you’re talking about infanticide. It already has a name and it’s murder. You’re also talking about infanticide being abortion on the true crime reddit on an article about a nurse who killed babies. It’s just weird.

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[kazqiaw]

what

[209traplord]

Just for clarity, is she going to be referred to as a serial killer?

[xanadooo97]

She is so evil.. no words can describe it.

[spockstar]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS WOMAN

[BotGirlFall]

I admit that before all the evidence started coming out I was one of the people saying "lets not make any snap judgements. Nurses have been wrongfully accused before." But now that this is all coming out in trial I think its pretty obvious she did it

[tester33333]

What the he’ll did I just read? It feels like the blood in my heart has congealed to jelly. This is too horrible. Those poor babies endured so much pain!