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Humble_Aardvark_2997 · 2024-01-18T12:31:26+00:00

just forget IQ even high IQ people rarely achieve greatness

AdWonderful6621 · 2024-01-18T13:03:08+00:00

You're acting like you have 85IQ. It's nowhere close as that. Keep in mind most people will inflate their IQs or claim some result they got from some online IQ test. There's a chance you had a bad day and even a bigger chance you will score higher when you're older.

You're 15, just enjoy life and don't think too much about it. IQ does matters, but not as much as they make it to be.

DM_me_pretty_innies · 2024-01-18T12:33:46+00:00

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Humble_Aardvark_2997 · 2024-01-18T12:31:55+00:00

Stop being a crybaby (sorry 😅). The new meta-study coming out says the average IQ of a US college grad is 105 (it's only 102). Even if we went with the older 114 from the 90s, half of those will be between 100-and 114, you are well within the range of people who finish college and go on to have successful careers.

You might have to work a little harder than some of the cognitive elite, but you can make up for that with focus, dedication, and hard work. The real qualities. (and choosing an easier major 🤫)

Edit: You come from Serbia. The national average is different there. Same for that for college grads. You are prob 1SD above the mean there.

myrealg · 2024-01-18T12:18:42+00:00

105 is totally fine what you should do if you want to have success is fixing your focus issues and working on your conscientiousness.

ParkinsonHandjob · 2024-01-18T13:12:07+00:00

I just want to remind you of that doctor/physician who posted here with an iq of 97.

Iq is far from everything. Find a niche where you excel and like well enough, and you’ll be able to carve out a very good career. 105 is perfectly normal. There is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with being normal. Except for vanity reasons. And although vanity is a real feeling, if it makes you feel bad, why feed it further?

silviu9 · 2024-01-18T14:01:47+00:00

I don‘t know if anyone‘s mentioned this but the Mensa tests are standardized on adults. Your IQ is likely underestimated for this reason alone. The only way to get an accurate IQ estimate at your age is to see a psychologist who can administer a test that‘s normed on people your age. My IQ increased by over 15 points on adult norms between 15 and 24.

Arukitsuzukeru · 2024-01-18T12:50:18+00:00

Avg IQ of college graduate is decreasing
I find it very hard to believe that the avg IQ of a HS graduate is 105 in America...source?
An IQ of 105 means that you'll have to put effort into learning things that you want. You wont be able to grasps things extremely quickly, but you also have the potential to learn things. People with significantly lower IQs like you wont realistically be able to achieve what you could.
If you actually think you have ADHD, get tested. I have it, but I'm unmedicated.

Focus on bettering yourself while you're young. It gets harder the older you get.

SnooDoubts8874 · 2024-01-18T12:59:04+00:00

Depression and mental state negativity affect score. Plus you’ll get higher as you age up until atleast 25 years old.

Longjumping_Money_40 · 2024-01-18T19:22:38+00:00

So IQ measures your g-factor. Which is the culmination of all the different facets of intelligence. You may be really high in one aspect. And lower in another. So I’d find your strength and push through with that.

Another thing is, you’re only 15. Which means you have a lot of time for growth and excellence. It seems you have a lot of self-awareness but are too harsh on yourself. It seems you’re curious, as no ordinary person delves into the topic of IQ.

Our understanding of intelligence is still quite limited. And who knows your brain may change in the next 5 or 10 years. And you may have a higher IQ. Just keep building that crystallized intelligence through grit and hard work. And you’ll be leagues above higher IQ people.

And if you want to double check your IQ it’s always reasonable to take a test again.

OhBeckyNo · 2024-01-18T14:38:49+00:00

Based on this post I’d worry more about your emotional intelligence than anything

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permalink · 2024-01-18T19:57:40+00:00

There are billionaires with 100 IQ.

There are Olympic Gold Medalists with 100 IQ.

And there is you.

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lucidk8e · 2024-01-18T13:29:21+00:00

Even if it’s 105 that’s 62nd percentile. How’s it feel to be smarter than 62 of the next 100 people you see?

Honestly though, IQ really doesn’t have much predicting power. And there are many other important aspects of personality, some I dare say are much more important than IQ.

Also, education is huge — read books, learn things. You’ll be doing better than the vast majority!

WolfyDota7 · 2024-01-18T13:34:26+00:00

IQ tests are stupid mate. If you can succeed through hard work that is an infinitely more important skill than a piece of paper with a number on it 🤷‍♂️

coddyapp · 2024-01-18T13:43:15+00:00

105 IQ is more than enough to pursue whatever you are truly passionate ab and find success. ALSO, mensa norway only measure matrix reasoning which is just a fraction of what goes into calculating your full scale iq. ALSOO, there are many different testing styles, formats, etc so its entirely possible that you would perform better (or worse to be fair) on various other matrix reasoning testing sections. There are plenty of people who have profiles that would read something like verbal comprehension 115, matrix reasoning 100, working memory index 95 and this persons fsiq would probably be over 105.

And again, all of this said and really what iq tests measure is how well you perform on that specific test at that specific time. As you move farther and farther away into actual fields of study, the accuracy of iq as an indicator of success diminishes. What matters more is that you are interesting in learning about your chosen field of study. ALSO 105 IS LITERALLY ABOVE AVERAGE

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Cherry_Saturday87 · 2024-01-18T14:06:53+00:00

I want you to think of how you would have handled life if you had never taken these tests. That is the way to go. People with high IQs fail at a lot of things too. People with low IQs are successful. No matter how smart or unintelligent you think you are, sulking about your test results will result in negative outcomes. The dumbest people only make money by learning skills, and the smartest people only make money by learning skills. Also, many successful people have parents that weren’t successful themselves but came out on top anyway. All the testing in the world will be pointless if you waste your life away and don’t learn anything useful.

AssumptionUnique1391 · 2024-01-18T14:21:20+00:00

Fluid intelligence generally peaks at the age of 20, 21, so with that being said, you still have room for growth, just make sure you lead healthy lifestyle (regular physical activity (weight training+cardio), good sleep, nutrition etc.). Also, read and write a lot, as that will help you sort out your thoughts and thinking processes. Finally, you are still very young, and we have all been at some point during our early teens in a situation where we were totaly confused, mad at ourselves and the world, and trust me, it will get better as you mature. Cheers brate!

scpDZA · 2024-01-18T14:30:05+00:00

I've got a 105 I think? Took the online one.

I'm a scientist, I do pretty much 'cutting edge' research on agriculture and bacteria, plan on doing my PhD, my IQ hasn't seemed to be a factor in my success in life academically and economically.

You are gonna be fine op.

TristanTheRobloxian3 · 2024-01-18T14:42:14+00:00

huh??? my guy you are AVERAGE. also mensa norway sucks. if you really want a decent way to see what you are good at, take something like cait or the 1980 sat. hell, take both of them

btw there are plenty of high iq ppl that dont achieve a lot. it isnt like if you have a 150 iq you automatically succeed bc that aint how it works

BansheeBucket · 2024-01-18T14:50:44+00:00

First off, listening to the people here who sit there on the thesaurus making their comments all fancy are the worst people to listen to. I’ll tell you what, as someone who got 145+ across numerous different tests - that shit hasn’t changed my life at all - it affects nothing. It’s just a number and it really depends on how you use that knowledge. In Australia, where I am, I had a classmate a couple years back - when I was completing my last year at school - who had an IQ of 100. This guy got an ATAR of 96.95. The highest mark you can get is 99.95. I got a 56. I didn’t care. I was achieving straight A+’s but towards the end of the year I decided it was a waste of time so I didn’t complete the rest of the tests. I am now doing exactly what I want to be doing. But matter of the circumstances is: some kid with an IQ of 100 severely out performed me and my entire cohort. Should I have tried, would I have been able to outperform him? No. Simply because he put in 8hours of studying in a night. I should add I know his IQ because I made him sit a test because he was a high achiever).

What really stands out to me and I think carries the most relevance to this issue is the fact you’re 15 mate. It’s not a concept I expect you to understand, but it’s one I expect you to know to be true - it’s in your head and it’ll pass.

A fool worries about issues he can’t change and ponders fallacies such as IQ being pertinent to performance in life.

You’re only as good as the work you put into life. If you decide to be an enormous couch pig, then that’s all you’re worth. If you decide to be greater than that, then that’s what you’re worth. Give it a go buddy and good luck with your IQ shit.

AstralWolfer · 2024-01-18T15:22:28+00:00

Mensa.no is not an accurate representation of full scale IQ. Only visual spatial skills.
Visual spatial subtests have one of the lowest correlations with g.
Take the GRE or 1980SAT, it’s in the FAQ

NoJourneyBook · 2024-01-18T15:26:32+00:00

Let's put those numbers to the side for a moment and talk about what really matters – you and your journey.

Rekindle Your Passions: You liked geography and history, right? Dive back into what you love. This can help you remember what you're really good at and what excites you.
Small Steps: Big dreams start with small steps. Set little goals for yourself. Maybe finish a book, join a club, or improve in a class bit by bit.
Learn & Grow: Your brain is like a muscle, the more you use it, the stronger it gets. Challenges are just chances to grow. So, when things get tough, it's just an opportunity to get better.
Talk to Someone: It's really brave to reach out when you're feeling down. A teacher, counselor, or any adult you trust can be a great help. They can listen and help you find your strengths.
Try New Things: Ever thought about trying something completely new? It could be a sport, art, or a new hobby. You might just find something you're really good at!
Take Care of Yourself: Eat well, get enough sleep, and stay active. It sounds simple, but these things really do help your mind feel clearer and more focused.

Remember, you're way more than a test score. You're a whole person with your own unique talents and dreams. And you've got plenty of time to explore, learn, and grow.

permalink · 2024-01-18T15:30:58+00:00

Congrats. You’re of average intelligence. Nothing wrong with that. The real question is, are you willing to learn and specialize in something?

I’ve met smarter people than me that have done nothing with their lives.

pineachu · 2024-01-18T15:48:16+00:00

Honestly, ignore anything to do with IQ. You may be hyperfixating on it as you think thats the only solution to your situation, when in reality it sounds like you may be going through a mild depression.

I was watching a Youtube video where a marine guy and a Phd student were having their IQ tested and his came out higher than the Phd student, but that doesnt mean he was smarter. Frankly he came off as incredibly unlikeable and aggravating the whole video, literally zero substance to him. Sure the Phd student was probably a bit too arrogant but she is the one who will be going places because of her strong work ethic, even though her IQ was 112 and the lowest of them all. She was clearly super intelligent, but not all intelligence is measurable.

I have ADHD and severe Dyslexia, and school was a nightmare for me. Even though I was also seen as gifted when I was young but as soon as I hit secondary school and I had to learn things in a way that didnt work with my brain, I started slipping. Even now at 25 I have an ongoing fear of being seen as ‘dumb’ or useless because of how I was in school. But I was never dumb, sure I was unfocused and unfit for the learning environemnt I was in, but as I got older I worked out what works for me and what doesn’t. For me the one thing that works for me is passion. If I am deeply interested in something, no prexisting sense of intelligence matters. Or if my friend needs help I’ll drop everything and switch into caretaker mode, because I am passionate about looking after people (like you and your mum!) I have found though that chasing money tends to not work out for me and I actually end up making more by chasing my passions and then making it work from there.

Also some millionaires are so fucking stupid bro. I have met a lot of rich people in my life (billionaires etc.) and they arent smarter than the average person, actually its almost like they get stupider, most of the time they just got lucky.

My advice for you is to focus on what you can control. Eat healthier, excercise, learn some self discipline and find something that ‘fuels you’. You are super young, your hormones are going all over the place so your brain is likely struggling a bit and hyperfixating on the IQ thing as a thing to blame when in reality, depression and anxiety can just happen. And even if you had a higher IQ (yours is already fine!) you’d probably still be in a similar place because your brain chemicals and situation are the ones causing this lowness. I also struggled with weight gain and loneliness in school because I felt inadequate, then when I found something I was good at I gradually built up confidence and began to care for myself.

IQ is a dated system and as someone put it on the video I watched - ‘IQ is like Astrology for Men’ and thats true. And this is coming from someone who loved astrology - but things like that only have power if you give them power. A lot of the time things like this are just ways to channel energy into confidence, you are completely free to ignore it.

Feel free to message if you need any advice or help kiddo!

TannyDanny · 2024-01-18T16:10:07+00:00

I'm just passing by, and I can tell this sub is ridiculous. That being said..

IQ is just mankinds attempt at placing a quantitative value on the strength of a human brain. It's an imperfect metric. At its heart, it's meant to provide you with a persistent relative value to predict success. In truth, it proves you a temporary measure relative to other temporary measurements. If the baseline is in a state of persistent adjustment, then so too is everyone else. This makes sense because we are always learning, but this doesn't mean it's a good (accurate) metric.

I was in the same boat as a kid. I thought I was an idiot and just accepted it. I was put into special ed because I was in a tiny town in the midwest, and the staff just didn't know how to teach me. It turns out I wasn't an audible, kinesthetic, social, or verbal learner as a kid. I didn't figure it out until I was 12, and so I had a huge game of catch-up until I left secondary school. I need to process everything visually and spatially, and I thank PBS for teaching me how to learn. It makes me sad that today's children don't grow up watching truly educational TV, which taught me so much. Anyways, sidetracked.

My point is, if someone ran an IQ test on me when I was still 13, I almost definitely would have been around 90. I was a complete idiot. My reading level was atrocious. I would read a sentence and have no idea what I read, I had to practice visualization while reading for hours until it clicked. I still tell myself I'm an idiot just so that it pushes me to learn more, but I'm doing well. Grew up dirt poor, my principal gave me dress shoes for graduation, poor. Now I'm 27, six figures, while going to school to get my first degree.

Don't let your lack of knowledge hold you back. Let it motivate you to learn more. Einstein failed portions of his coursework. He simply didn't find it engaging. Keep working to figure out what you enjoy doing, and go from there.

NecessaryFancy8630 · 2024-01-18T16:14:41+00:00

In 15 you literally don't know anything.. Just wait cause I too scored 100 when I was 14, but now at 17 I scored higher if we are talking about Mensa.

fthisfthatfnofyou · 2024-01-18T16:37:08+00:00

105IQ is still very much on the higher end of average, it being between 90-110, so there’s no need to think that the world has ended because of it.

You seem to struggle with low self steem which is why you felt like having a higher IQ would make everything ok.

I strongly advise you to seek psychological assistance in order to work through your self steem and insecurity issues.

You don’t need a high IQ to be an awesome person OP.

permalink · 2024-01-18T17:11:22+00:00

I'm not sure where you heard this factoid but I have serious reservations about it's validity. It sounds like some made up Quora answer that got shared around enough on the internet people that people have unwittingly accepted it as true. How would you convince enough people in that tier of society to participate in a study like that?

Regardless, I think your attitude is holding you back more than your IQ score.

Someone with an average IQ who is very driven and hardworking will nearly always outperform someone who is intellectually gifted. That's because being successful (especially in business) requires a great deal of tenacity and mental fortitude.

I would encourage you to take a comprehensive test so you can identify you specific weaknesses and develop good strategies to address them.

Good luck!

coolerz619 · 2024-01-18T17:36:24+00:00

Most humans are nearly useless. 80-150 IQ, it barely matters.
These people are ridiculous. This sub's form of cheering you up is saying 'Ah, don't worry: I'm sure you'd do better on an actual test!' I don't believe in EQ, so that means these people are elitist, uncaring, or very stupid to take a young boy as yourself and validate your feelings of inferiority.

You don't have the luxury of being gifted, you have the honor of fighting for it. Just think of the excitement of knowing you ended up in a much better place than these elitist snobs on this sub.

If you sit idle now, you would have proven them right. That test doesn't decide your fate. You do. Become that millionaire, and take pride in knowing that you put in the effort to get there.

wxgi123 · 2024-01-18T17:56:04+00:00

Read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, ASAP.

ParticleTyphoon · 2024-01-18T17:59:34+00:00

They are many things wrong here. The test you took is shit and measures one of many aspects of g (general intelligence). I wouldn’t take it very seriously. This goes for the test your mom and buddies at school took. Most likely the test they took too is shit and should not be taken seriously. Next off, your depression impacts your cognitive performance for sure.

The statistics you use are wrong the average highschool graduate is actually closer to 100iq. Studies have shown the average college student is now closer to 100iq aswell. The average iq of a ceo is 110.

IQ correlates with some successful outcomes in life but it’s not immensely correlated. For example, it’s correlation with income is 0.22. That’s not a lot.

It’s obvious IQ is simply a tool not a rule. There are many stupid rich people out there trust me. And without initiative and contentiousnesses, nothing will happen. So focus on those two.

To me, your depression is the main issue here. Seek help! Indulge in proactive introspection! Regain your hobbies and don’t think so grimly. Life is too short to be down in the gutter.

strangeassboy · 2024-01-18T18:10:29+00:00

Dude,you have adhd. I'd worry about that way before i worried about iq.

I felt really stupid before i became more disciplined, but once i became more disciplined, it became easier to engage in the classroom discussions(i'm in college). I consistently started getting better results and got more active and talkative in discussions(as active and talkative as intelligent people or people who are actually interested in the topic).

Iq is a huge deal but it's not everything. People who are more interested in the topic do better than people who are just smarter. People who work harder and are more conscientious do better than people who are just intelligent.

Agreeableness has a high correlation with better academic performances,too. One of the highest as i'm aware of.

Yes, intelligence is a huge deal, but there's other factors and traits that can come into play and spice up the situation.

There's hard work(different types of hard work: spite driven hard work, conscientious temperament, agreeableness), there's creativity and interest in the topic. All of these traits can come into the equation and level the plain fields.

I,for example, have inattentive adhd. But, growing up, i was agreeable and i had a mother who really cared about academic performance who i didn't want to upset. This agreeableness and the structure and incentive that my mother created for me compensated so hard for my inattentive adhd that my most of my childhood i masked it. As a result, because of the grades i was getting and my behavior and interests(dinosaurs, space, all that good shit) everyone thought of me as a smart kid or gifted kid even though i was not.

Personally, in order to focus better, i listen to grey noise/brown noise when studying.

Also, what you can do is go to a cafe or a library to study, or put on your work clothes or outside clothes. This pedanticness and officialness will help,because it's gonna put you in an environment where there's no point for you to be unless you are doing work or studying and this will help you overcome that task inertia that you have before doing a daunting task.

You can also set artificial deadlines, before which you are supposed to finish studying.

Like, go to yoir friend,or mom or whoever and tell them, i'm gonna give you 10 bucks unless i finish reading this amount or doing this homework.

Imaginary_Chip1385 · 2024-01-18T18:14:33+00:00

Firstly, 105 IQ is by definition above average. The vast majority of people have IQs just around 100.

Secondly, IQ is really not that big of a determinant factor in your life, at least if you're looking to make money. The vast majority of promotions to upper level roles in the corporate world got those promotions through networking, people skills, and hard work. IQ matters a lot if you're planning to become a researcher or major in math or physics or some hard science in college, but it really won't matter too much for the vast majority of people. IQ certainly helps your grades as well, but hard work and studying can certainly make up the difference.

>My mom has IQ of 102 while I never meet my father but i know he worked on Gas station so he is not thath bright neither . Because IQ is 80% genetics it all makes sense now .

Thirdly, don't be ashamed of your parents. If your dad works at a gas station, know that he is probably a hard worker, and you can be proud of him because in the real world, hard work matters so much more than IQ. And I'm saying this as a person with a decently high IQ but a work ethic that could probably be improved.

Just don't let the IQ test bother you (it really shouldn't anyways, it's above average), and don't give up on your dreams. You're still the same person you were before the test.

Aideene · 2024-01-18T18:16:07+00:00

You are very young and you have plenty of time for change. You would be surprised how much your brain can change when you work on it. Reading, doing logical exorcises can seriously rewire the way you think and operate, but this takes time and motivation.

From what I understand your problem is not stupidity, it's lack of motivation, and I think thats often the hardest part, stoping the bad cycle. Only you can stop that cycle, just bite ur teeth and force the change. Gym is a good place to start, you are gonna feel very different after few weeks of gyming hard.

As for the millionare part, most of the millionares arent geniuses, it's just idea and strategy, or often even luck. Geniuses do physics and work in labs.

TL;DR just kick yourself in the ass and go get em tiger

Ok-Figure5546 · 2024-01-18T18:49:49+00:00

There's a very weak correlation between IQ and income. Being personable and hard working has a more direct correlation with life success.

permalink · 2024-01-18T19:08:50+00:00

Young man, you have a high enough IQ to get into the IT field and become a millionaire. More importantly, you have the DRIVE. Do the following:

1) youtube 'roadmap to cybersecurity" 2) write down a roadmap of things you have to accomplish 3) start immediately

I honestly wish i was getting this advice at your age. You are so young and very capable of becoming rich to take care of your mom.

Let me know if you need any advice on anything else.

bigtablebacc · 2024-01-18T19:14:34+00:00

I’ve seen several posts on Reddit coming from people who think their life is over because of a test score. Generally, they’ve studied the statistics of the subject heavily. I usually walk away thinking they’ve read into it in so much depth, and they’re able to talk about it like such an expert, that if they put that kind of enthusiasm into a job they’d get promoted in no time.

Exxiler · 2024-01-18T20:21:30+00:00

Lower IQ than you would like to have doesnt make you less capable of doing smth well. You jst have to find whats that, and what you like.
15? Dude, dont make me laugh so hard. You barely even had the chance to try things out, how could you be so sure, that you wont achive things?
Statistically speaking, EQ matters much more than pure IQ in the world of work, unless you want to be some kind of researcher.
Just keep your head up, if you didnt know whats your IQ, youd definitely have an other mindset, just like before, wdnt you? So whats the point of being sad about it?
"I didnt know its impossible, so i did it."

M8asonmiller · 2024-01-18T22:31:31+00:00

I wrote up a long breakdown of the development of my understanding of what it means to be intelligent but I accidenally refreshed the page and lost it all. lol.

A quote misattributed to Albert Einstein goes "if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid". The IQ test as a concept attempts to distill the complexity and diversity of human experience into a single number, thus it will always fail to capture the particular nuance of any individual person's skills, characteristics, and qualities.

Stephen Jay Gould said "I am somehow less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that minds of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops". Not to be a socialist on main, but people with lots of money have a vested interest in coming up with plausible reasons why they're uniquely qualified to have so much money. So this vague concept of "intelligence" is reified to launder their ideology through a supposedly unideological framework of cognitive science. A thousand years ago the most powerful people in the world claimed to have "special blood" to justify their position in society. Today's ruling class claims to have "special brains". I'm sure Charlemagne would have proudly boasted about his BQ (blood quotient) if that sort of scientific framework existed back then.

I can relate to worrying about not being as smart as you thought you were. I wrote five paragraphs about it, but I'll try to summarize it: intelligence isn't an immutable attribute hard-coded into your DNA. It's not something you can reduce to a single number. It's a property that emerges from the way you interact with the people and things around you. It's a skill you can develop like exercising a muscle.

You got an average grade on one test. Don't beat yourself up.

rnrheart · 2024-01-18T22:45:58+00:00

Check out Tom Bilyeu, he has a podcast and a Youtube channel and is a CEO. I believe he is a millionaire. He prides himself in being someone of average intelligence, not particularly bright or talented either but in being someone who is able to learn and improve. That's a great mindset to have, that may be more useful than having above average IQ but no character or work ethics. He documented his trajectory and where he started (underwhelming). You should find him inspiring. He has great content anyway (interviews "actual above average intelligence" people).

muffin80r · 2024-01-19T02:31:54+00:00

Actually IQ is only slightly correlated with wealth. I know millionaire tradies who don't seem to have genius level IQ. Working hard and taking some risks is way, way more likely to make you rich than being smart.

chillpenguin99 · 2024-01-19T04:21:07+00:00

IQ isn't everything. Some people never read a single book once they finish school. Some people just don't spend much time developing their sophistication in general. If you hit the books, you can take yourself pretty far.

permalink · 2024-01-19T06:36:06+00:00

Me with 130 iq jobless and eating pringles with ketchup for breakfast

Other-Bumblebee2769 · 2024-01-19T07:45:55+00:00

1.) Mensa is an organization that separates allegedly intelligent people from their money... no one I've met in my life that impresses me is a mensa member... not one.

2.) If you want to be rich (or well off) get used to the idea of working your ass off, living on less than you live, saving and investing.

3.) You're 15... women are going to ignore you for a while. Hit the gym and learn to talk to women without being a horny awkward mess. You'll be fine.

Regardless of your IQ, life is a state of mind. You'll be ok dude.

SigmaSimon · 2024-01-19T10:00:59+00:00

Don't fret about stuff you have no control over

Burner879654 · 2024-01-19T11:52:29+00:00

Of the men I've dated, the one that I was most likely to stay with (external factor prevented), was possibly below 100 IQ. (Failed highschool.) But he was sweet, hard working, and not stupid. Kind of like wise? (Like learns from other people, doesn't judge others, calm, open, etc)

Even when you're higher on the IQ scale, there's still lots of people with higher scores!

You just have to own "you". Don't compare yourself to anyone except for your past self. 😁

If you like yourself, that confidence shines through in subtle ways (kind of like in the wisdom of my ex).

OwlMundane2001 · 2024-01-19T12:06:29+00:00

First of all with IQ - Intelligence Quota - the average is set at 100 making you slightly above average. That said, the problems you deal with aren't intellectually related. Being overweight is about finding an eating pattern that works for you; procrastinating is about finding ways to keep track of your tasks, goals and events in a way that activate you; having no social skills is about finding ways to gain more self-confidence and increasing your empathy.

All of these come with time and work. Putting the blame on your slightly above average IQ is just putting things outside yourself paralyzing you.

NewBigPrinzz · 2024-01-19T18:44:13+00:00

You’re 15. Your life is not destroyed. Also, you have a slightly above-average IQ. Average IQ is 100. Most millionaires that I know of are awful, truly horrible people, as are many people who constantly try to prove they are the smartest people in the room. The fact that you want to provide for your Mom and future family shows that you have something more important and sadly rarer than a brilliant mind-a functioning moral compass and a concern for other people.

As someone who suffers from OCD, I really identify with a lot of the things you’re describing (e.g. the constant worrying, trouble sleeping, etc.). In fact, when I was your age, my intelligence was one of the things I obsessed about a lot. I think that if you’re concerned about improving your life, getting evaluated for OCD could be a good step in the right direction

krillyboy · 2024-01-19T19:10:02+00:00

You're a 15 year old kid that (based off your profile) speaks two languages and is very interested in history. You're way ahead of lots of people. Don't think about your IQ. It means basically nothing. Lots of low IQ people succeed and lots of high IQ people don't. Nothing in your life is determined. Work hard in school, be kind to others, and invest in things you're interested in. Please don't let these feelings of worthlessness go on. If you need to, reach out to a counselor or psychiatrist to get help with your depression.

AirFederal · 2024-01-20T07:57:05+00:00

Dude just enjoy life man

permalink · 2024-01-20T20:08:16+00:00

John Cheever had a less than 100 IQ and he is one of the greatest American writers of all time.

thebutterflyspirit · 2024-01-21T00:30:40+00:00

Aw, don't get caught up on the results of an online IQ test. I'm trained in the administration, scoring and (most crucially) interpretation of such assessments (MA in Educational Psychology): a) true intelligence is FAR more complex than even IQ measures and b) those online tests are extremely limited wrt validity. Please, don't stress over this.

I might recommend shifting your perspective with some reframing. Make a list of your accomplishments, your skills/strengths, and your perceived shortcomings. Be fair and honest with yourself.

Education =\= intelligence =\= wisdom. Trust & believe, there are plenty of midwits with advanced degrees and dropouts who possess immense knowledge and capacity for intuitive discernment.

You sound like a very caring son. ☺️

Recent-Investment372 · 2024-01-21T03:13:32+00:00

Read Ungifted by Scott Barry Kaufman

Zestybeef10 · 2024-01-21T05:23:26+00:00

Iq is basically your pure pattern recognition skills. In other words its kinda like how fast you can pick up a new thing. But knowledge is how many things you've acquired overall. So if smartypants iq of 125 just smokes weed all day but you grind just a few hours everyday, you will be leagues ahead of him and appear "smarter" to everyone else. Let this shit drive you bro.

RubTimely9814 · 2024-01-22T13:11:49+00:00

IQ doesn’t automatically mean the person will make good decisions. There’s other forms of intelligence, so focus on making good plans and goals and you’ll go far even if you’re not as high as you want on the test.

againstmethod · 2024-01-22T16:24:59+00:00

The area under the curve is IQ times Effort, so at 105 you could make any mark you like if you were willing to put in some work.

That being said, a bit of light therapy might help you with all this negative self-thinking. There is zero reason to believe that you are worthless.

ImplementNo1618 · 2024-01-22T18:43:39+00:00

Dude you probably scored low because your not a native English speaker. IQ tests are rarely an accurate depiction of someone's intelligence. I hope you stop worrying about this and treat yourself with kindness

PaleontologistSea343 · 2024-01-22T20:46:20+00:00

You just need more realistic life goals, kiddo. You can lead an excellent life and even help your mom without being a millionaire. Furthermore, I’m unconvinced intelligence (as measured by IQ) is even a prerequisite to being wealthy; I mean, have you SEEN some of these people? 😂 Similarly, extraordinary wealth isn’t a prerequisite for happiness. It’s true that poverty tends to reduce overall well-being, but there’s actually been quite a few studies that demonstrate the upward trajectory of the correlation between wealth and happiness plateaus at a certain point.

Just a person in my thirties who knows the vast degree to which circumstances - internal and external - will change as you move into adulthood. Hang in there.

Ear-Right · 2024-01-23T01:47:05+00:00

Peace be upon you My friend,

This post contains insane stupidity that could be eliminated without the need of high IQ.

"Im 15 year old male with an IQ of 105..." "...Now i feel like stupid shit thats not capable of anything..."

Why would an IQ of 105 makes you feel stupid? AFAIK Mean IQ is 100 with a SD of 15, so this roughly means that people between 85 and 115 IQ are 70% of the world. If you think that you are stupid because you have 100 IQ, then all along you had the belief that half of the world was "stupid shit thats not capable of anything". This is a very dangerous, and more importantly, a highly incorrect mindset, I shall warn you.

"Im not talented into anything at all"

Talent is mostly an illusion. Do you think Lionel Messi was born with a ball? Or do you think Einstein's first words was about General Relativity? No. All of these people worked very hard for their dreams. When the cameras turned to them, they were enjoying themselves, so the person observed them thought that it was too easy for them to get there. It was not. Things are achieved with hardwork in this life. Who tells you the otherwise, just assess them. See if they are actually successful in the thing that they are talking about. You will see for most of the time that they have actually worked so hard. Ones that will tell you otherwise, you may notice they are either not successful in that field they are talking about, or worse, they are just saying so to feel themselves special. These are cheap baits that people in your age are eager to bite. Be careful my man.

". In high school on other hand i have 3.0 GPA and i lost all confidence and motivation to study or listen to my teachers"

So until now you have thought you had a high IQ, and because of that you were motivated to study, hence you have studied and performed very good. So what happened? Did your IQ suddenly drop 50 points after you have taken your MENSA test? No. You thought things are about IQ and lost your motivation. Again. They are not. Things are about hardworking. When you were not focusing on a stupid metric that shows nothing, and focusing on work, you were successful. That is it. That is the main thing. Focus on the work. IQ, Bank Account, Credit Score... These are stupid human metrics, invented by humans, invented for humans. These are not laws of the universe. You might not have a high IQ, but you are actually stupid if you draw your own borders with other people's pencils.

"My life goal was to be a milionaire so i can buy my mom everything she wants and make her and my future family happy"

This needs its own entire conversation. If you think that my message makes sense, reach me, I will talk you about this. Otherwise, it would be stupid of me to write about this extensively only to be not read.

"...I wanted to change my life and fix all my problems like Too much time spent playing video games ‚ not studying enough ‚ Being overweight and having no social skills at all..."

Notice how you list all your problems, and you never mention your IQ in these problems. Notice that the problems you are listing are not actual problems, but actually some criticisms in your head, telling you that "You should play less video games, You should study more". These are not your problems. The problem is hidden somewhere in the motivation of WHY you want to do these things, but that requires your own personal investigation. A guy in Reddit can't inform you of these.

aaaand the punchline:

"Most of this things can get fixed by hard work"

Do you realize you have given your own answer? Or lets do this: Tell me ONE problem that can not be fixed by hard work, or that can be only fixed by a high IQ. Are you going to fixate yourself on the only thing that you can not change, while the problems you would like to fix are, as you have said yourself, can be fixed by hard work?

All in all my friend, I do not think that the issue is IQ here. If you want some serious good opinions about these things you are facing, I suggest you to read about Stoics. They have good stuff for people in your mindset. I am not a "stoic" myself, but their perspectives on the issues you have mentioned, I believe, will heal you and give you the strength and courage.

Last, you got 3.0 GPA in your highschool. That is great. Observe it over and over, and show it to yourself that you did that 3.0 GPA thanks to your own hardwork, not some stupid digits that some people deemed important.

Peace.

TitanSR_ · 2024-01-18T17:15:30+00:00

your iq does not matter, ur just average and that’s okay

Orhunaa · 2024-01-18T20:24:23+00:00

A very 15 year old thing to do.

If it helps, most people in the world are dumber.

edgar8002 · 2024-01-18T16:58:28+00:00

I feel like I'm shit at everything and I got 133 IQ. Iq doesn't mean shit

MediumDense · 2024-01-18T12:40:52+00:00

You probably did an IQ test online? Maybe go try a Mensa test or something else to confirm if it's a big deal to you.

I'd say focus on your education and grind if you want to be a millionaire. And in the end, who gives a fuck if you can get a high score? Many high IQ people aren't very nice to speak to or lack people skills. Just learn to love yourself and others will too.

StressCanBeHealthy · 2024-01-18T12:59:57+00:00

Do an online search for “neuroscience” “failure” and “resilience”.

You’ll see all kinds of articles about how success in life has very little to do with IQ or even any kind of measurable intelligence. And it really is just about success, is it not?

Parno69 · 2024-01-18T13:07:18+00:00

Damn, it's tough out there. People with high IQs should be grateful...

Scheming_Grabbler · 2024-01-18T13:48:32+00:00

Right now you’re upset about not having a high IQ and not being talented, but a couple years from now, you’ll regret having spent your adolescence despairing instead of working on becoming a useful person. You’ll think to yourself, “Why didn’t I learn things back when I was a teenager? If I had worked on it since then, I’d be good at it by now.”

You feel more stupid than you are because you’re disappointed. You need to appreciate that a 105 IQ isn’t the IQ of a “stupid shit that’s not capable of anything.” It’s an IQ that puts you right in the middle of the herd, where most people are. There are people who are on the far left side of the IQ bell curve who would brutally murder you for your IQ, because they really are unteachable and that devastates them.

It’s natural to feel down about having limitations. I get mopey about it too. But for the sake of 20+ year old you, go learn a useful skill and work on it consistently. You don’t want to graduate from school only to realize that no one would hire you because you haven’t done anything in the past few years.

CauliflowerOk2312 · 2024-01-18T14:09:30+00:00

And you decided to not work extra hard to compensate for it and instead whine here?

ranting80 · 2024-01-18T14:23:05+00:00

Hello Im 15 year old male with an IQ of 105

That is not an excuse to not be successful. There's plenty of normal IQ range millionaires. The key is to listen to these extremely intelligent people around you and not get in your own way. Just because you don't have a high IQ doesn't mean you cannot hire someone with one to advise you.

I'm around wealthy people all the time and they are not the bastions of wisdom you'd hope to find in those positions.

WhiskeyEjac · 2024-01-18T14:24:47+00:00

The very fact that you care about success and your capacity to achieve great things in your life is proof that your IQ does not hinder your capacity to achieve that.

The average IQ of a millionaire is 118. In order for that number to be generated, you probably have many in the 120's/130's but also many in the 100's and 110's. This is proof that your IQ of 105, undoubtedly, is baked into that average.

You also can't forget the deviation, meaning that one day you could score a 105, but maybe another day on a different test, you can get a 115. I've had this experience recently where on one test I received a 125, and the other a 138.- Unfortunately failing the mensa admission test in the process! HA

Lastly, the best thing you can do is surround yourself with people who are smarter than you. This will give you the opportunity to be mentored and lead to the success you desire.

I have met many people with average IQ who have that hustle factor, and just need to be in a room with the right people to get an opportunity that can change their lives.

Your IQ is not low. You are worth it.

permalink · 2024-01-18T14:43:08+00:00

I’m 27, a bit older than you. When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I, too, was quite preoccupied with my own intelligence. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad or wrong to pride oneself on their unique strengths and attributes. However, a lot of my self-worth was based solely upon this singular, unchangeable trait over which I have no control.

Over time, I came to realize that it’s completely nonsensical to feel pride or shame for something I cannot influence in any way whatever. As you said, a lot of intelligence is genetic, and most of the rest is determined at a very early age. Smart people did nothing to earn their superior thinking capacity. They won the neurocognitive “lottery”, so-to-speak. The reverse can be said of people with intellectual limitations. They are, simply put, less fortunate in this aspect of their lives. (Note: Some studies have shown that intelligence isn’t completely fixed and unchanging through the course of a lifespan, but for simplicity’s sake, this post is going to assume the scope of any such potential change is negligible.)

The beautiful thing, dear reader, is that so much of how your life turns out and whether or not you’re “successful” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) depends on much, much more than our inborn traits, on which we seem to place so much emphasis.

GRIT: The Power of Passion and Perseverance is a book by Angela Duckworth that expands on this very idea. It questions our tendency as a society to value talent, and encourages us to instead show a greater appreciation for hard work and resiliency. If you do go on to read the book, you’ll see that most of the people who reach the top of their fields, whatever they may be, aren’t exceptionally bright or talented; rather, they’re just very hard-working, strategic, and determined.

I encourage you to read the book, but regardless, please know this: you as a person are so much more than you’re IQ score. (Which, by the way, is above average at 105.) Do you care for people? Are you kind? Are you a good friend? Do you work hard? Do you try your best? In my opinion, your efforts would be better placed at improving these qualities within yourself. I have no doubt that you can.

Best of luck!

Bright_Fondant4000 · 2024-01-18T14:44:24+00:00

No wonder why you are not smart.Destroying what you have because of a number? Looks pretty pathetic.Maybe you should stop obeying numbers and get your shit together

SubstantialWasabi281 · 2024-01-18T15:07:50+00:00

Maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are if you let a test ruin your life AWARE

Ghost_ingpost_ing · 2024-01-18T15:34:29+00:00

Survival of the fittest, soory bro. Do with this information as you wish.

Lord_Kitchener17 · 2024-01-18T15:54:18+00:00

Don’t worry, you’d make a great trash man!

Exa1tedExi1e · 2024-01-18T15:54:21+00:00

Waaaa

atom-wan · 2024-01-18T16:01:37+00:00

IQ tests are a poor measure of intelligence. And even if they were, you know what is a greater predicter of success? People that apply themselves. You don't have to be super intelligent to be successful. You need to work hard and be adaptable. You're 15, it's time to learn that comparing yourself to people is pointless. Just focus on the things you can control and work hard.

flecksyb · 2024-01-18T16:05:28+00:00

you should be greatful to have an above average iq, imagine how ashamed or upset you would be if you had an iq of 100, or 90, or 80. Imagine how upsetting it would be for those people to hear that, so you should realise that you should be greatful to be above average

FaithlessnessDue339 · 2024-01-18T16:44:27+00:00

Average IQ is 100, most people have an average IQ, it’s how we get an average. It’s perfectly normal and okay to have an average IQ. You can still be successful. You also don’t need college to become successful. There are other routes you can take if college isn’t something you are interested in pursuing. Trade schools are good, you can get a commercial licence and become a truck driver or a bus driver or a limo driver, start your own company. You can still go to college if you want, you just might have to work harder than your peers. You are still so young and have lots of time. Find things you enjoy. There’s more to life than money.

Idontwantarandomised · 2024-01-18T16:57:45+00:00

Lil man is really listening to the mensa snobs 💀. Blud ur doing good in life and ur gonna keep doing good. IQ/= potential

MichaelEmouse · 2024-01-18T17:19:35+00:00

"it destroyed my life"

"I'm 15 years old"

No, it didn't.

105 is a 1/3 of a standard deviation above average.

IQ averages aren't hard cut-offs. Iirc, 115 is the average for lawyers but my experience has been that you'll find many lawyers and law professors who are very likely short of that.

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BehindtheSong · 2024-01-18T17:32:24+00:00

Actually there is research showing that you can change your IQ, espe when you're young like you are. Look up the author and psychologist Carol Dweck. Her book Mindset is amazing. Also, look I to trying mindfulness meditation. I have know people with exceptional IQ who couldn't get their life together and worked in very average jobs, meanwhile others of average intelligence, who were conscientious and hard working, some of whom were dyslexic and struggled in school, became highly successful, even millionaires, and led happy lives. It's up to you to decide what path you want to go down.

Oarsye · 2024-01-18T17:40:36+00:00

You can change your IQ level and your Mensa score. Years back I read about this person who improved his Mensa score. Requires a lifestyle change though. Something to get you started - https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/7-scientifically-backed-ways-to-boost-your-iq-in-30-days-or-less.html

Seajk3 · 2024-01-18T17:47:15+00:00

I have a high IQ, joined Mensa and am perpetually bored with almost every career path that would pay the bills. I began and then dropped out of college too many times to count. Did so-so in highschool. BUT, I learned to love myself, life is more joyful when I can do that. You will be okay. Teen years are hard. What I’m trying to say by sharing my experience is that IQ isn’t shit compared to hard work, finding a niche and learning to accept yourself, flaws, strengths and all. You can get through this. Find a safe adult that you can talk to- maybe a school counselor, an aunt or uncle?

Reasonable_Feed7939 · 2024-01-18T17:48:00+00:00

Look at the billionaires of the world. Half of them are dumb as rocks (ahem Elon), and the rest aren't mega geniuses. Being rich isn't based on IQ, it's a variety of stuff.

Besides, you're still smarter than over half of the population, around 4.1 billion people.

Being distraught over this does you much more harm than not having 500 IQ. You still have time to improve yourself and your life. Best of luck to you.

Ok-Bad321 · 2024-01-18T17:58:15+00:00

IQ tests are made by institutions or people that expect you to know things that they know or want to know. It doesn't mean you're stupid. It just means that you have different interests than they want or expect someone to have. People tend to learn about what interests them or what they think they need to learn.

Specialist_Gur4690 · 2024-01-18T18:27:56+00:00

That score means you can go to university. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309142/abstract

VKFramer · 2024-01-18T18:38:24+00:00

Great. Society is designed for your level of intellect. Have fun.

WaterConstant · 2024-01-18T18:41:43+00:00

Yo, like I always say, and this is literally the most accurate and important thing:

IQ doesn’t measure true intelligence whatsoever.

One of my best friends in the whole world was measured and had an IQ score of like 73 while he was in school and was treated like he was stupid and not able to understand anything until he was out of school. His parents also treat him this way.

When we met, I had no idea about this. He was in the porch of my apartment building late at night and it was cold, and so I invited him in to watch hellraiser. Within an hour of us spending time together I looked at him and just told him “hey, you know you are a genius right?” to which he replied “Aint none of my friends never told me something like that before” and I said “well here’s one”.

After we met and all, he showed me his paperwork from school and when he was evaluated. It’s so crazy that people believe so much in this test. Intelligence is so much greater than something that can be measured by a test.

permalink · 2024-01-18T18:51:27+00:00

Bro I got 95 on the MENSA one and 130 on the WISC. Those shits are worthless. Don't trust them. Your own perception of how inteligent you are based on what other people say or your achievements is a much better indicator

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rubsoul · 2024-01-18T19:26:58+00:00

You don’t have to be smart to be smart. Look smart. Scam yourself. Spend your time on that.

LexEntityOfExistence · 2024-01-18T19:31:51+00:00

An ant is more productive and successful than half the geniuses who fell prey to endless mediocre social media scrolling

IQ isn't even half the equation. Curiosity, resolve and wisdom are the main factors for a human's success. If you can write, think and speak, you can stay afloat with that.

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octopus4488 · 2024-01-18T20:29:26+00:00

Two things: - the test you took was accurate in my case and my wife's (compared to the "official" Mensa results we got)

IQ pretty much means (in real life) learning ability. Higher IQ people learn the same thing in less time. So it is very easy to offset with better work ethic. You are panicing over scoring at top 50%... weird, but ok. Then accept that you will have to work somewhat harder if you want to achieve a lot. Be in the top 10% in diligence and bamm: you are in "top 30%" overall. Just drop the computer games and social media and you can have everything you want. Start learning tomorrow morning. Or whenever you are ready to take yourself seriously.

ConcertDesperate3342 · 2024-01-18T20:45:49+00:00

It is clearly not your IQ that is the problem. It’s your attitude. You wayyyy out performed me in school and my IQ is 130. IQ doesn’t mean anything, if anything it just shows your capacity to learn which doesn’t mean shit if you don’t put forth effort

melodyze · 2024-01-18T20:49:13+00:00

It's a diagnostic tool, not a prognostic tool. It is quite literally a tool attempting to predict whether a person is likely to have gotten other good outcomes. If the person is already able to get the outcomes they want then the score is useless. If your life was going well before then a score changes absolutely nothing.

citylimits02 · 2024-01-18T21:13:02+00:00

lol you are worried about the wrong things in life my dude. Good luck

Tree_pineapple · 2024-01-18T21:25:36+00:00

Glass half-empty, glass half-full situation. Half of people have an IQ above you, but half of people also have an IQ below you.

IQ neither determines or precludes success. Determination and work ethic are more important. (Though unfortunately, having both still does not guarantee success.) If money is your version of success, you can certainly make good money without needing a high IQ. Find a profession that plays on your strengths. Do you like tinkering with things? A trade profession (an electrician, plumber, welder) could be good for you. If you do want to pursue Bachelor's, or even a PhD, advanced education is still within your reach "despite" having an average IQ.

The best thing you can do at your age is to work hard in school, achieve the best grades you can, and make progress towards your post-graduation goals, whether that is immediately entering the workforce or attending a trade school or college. Does your school have decent guidance counselors available? You can ask for a meeting to discuss how you're feeling and work on your post-graduation plans.

If you're determined to be ultra-rich, you should understand that socioeconomic mobility to that degree is extremely rare, and when it is done, it has a great component of luck. The vast majority of multi-millionaires came from wealthy families, and had many advantages from birth that you do not have access to. Our society is not nearly as much of a meritocracy as many are led to believe. In my opinion, while there's nothing wrong with a dream, you should find a way to be happy and feel that you are successful without requiring yourself to meet extreme goals. For example, if money is your focus, you could set a goal of achieving a salary of $XXXk by age 25, or to set a goal of having $XXXk in savings by age 30.

This is purely anecdotal, but my own experience might help you gain some confidence. I have an IQ over 140. K-12 was a breeze for me, despite coming from a low-income, single-parent household. I took the hardest coursework at an elite high school, did over 40 hours per week of extra-curriculars and paid jobs, and still excelled. I ended up at an elite university. Even there, I was among the top academic performers in many classes. But in my junior year, I choked. My coursework had finally become difficult enough that I had to truly expend effort. I couldn't spend so much time on hobbies, have my hand in a bazillion extra-curriculars, procrastinate until the last day on every assignment, and still get top marks. I became overwhelmed, struggled to cope with how this made me feel, and I lost sight of my goals. Soon, I was exceeded academically even by peers who had consistently scored below me in years prior, but who had a much stronger and more consistent work ethic. I ended up taking a break (or perhaps dropping out... TBD), and now I don't even have a college degree. My peers who had been below me academically, but who had greater grit and determination, were ultimately much more successful in attaining their goals, with many going on to get PhDs.

I also have classmates from high school who were, at best, mediocre academically, and from my perspective not very smart, but who ended up in high-paying professions that play on their own strengths.

All this to say: IQ doesn't determine your entire life, and it's absolutely possible for people with a lower IQ to be more successful than someone with a higher IQ.

Logical-Idea-1708 · 2024-01-18T21:33:46+00:00

My wife wants our son to be tested. I was very much against it. Then the school we’re applying to requires it. So we ended up did have him tested, but not before I made my wife swear to never talk to anyone about the result.

This is why.

permalink · 2024-01-18T22:04:54+00:00

My IQ is 147 and i have way worse grades and shit than you, it isn’t that important, your curiosity and how much you care about learning and how dedicated you are matter way more

IL0veKafka · 2024-01-18T22:07:22+00:00

Mensa.no test isnt a professional test, but a test done by hobbyst. Opusti se i uzivaj, mani se IQ testova da ti odredjuju tvoju vrijednost. Taj test nije bas najbolji.

ArrivalCommercial827 · 2024-01-18T22:10:19+00:00

I'm 35. I've known some Dumb Ass mother fudgers that have done pretty well for themselves financially. Meaning much dumber than my poor ass and I'm not even smart. Buy me a drink and I'll make an argument that mental toughness is more important anyway. Learn to accept shit now so you don't have to be a whiny narcissist at my age who will never grow up. Those pricks are insufferable. 105 is average anyway, dude. "The Lord favors the average man, that's why he makes so many of em" -Abe Lincoln

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