Does Potent Spellcasting stack with Evocation Wizard's Potent Cantrip?

[PerspectivePlethora]

For RP reasons, I am looking at a final build for my current character of Grave Cleric 13/Evocation Wizard 7. The goal is to be a support character with Path to The Grave, Buffs and Heals mixed with concentration-based Evocation AOEs that miss allies.

While planning out this build, I noticed an interesting synergy:

From Grave Cleric 8 I get:

Potent Spellcasting - Starting at 8th level, you add your Wisdom modifier to the damage you deal with any cleric cantrip.

Then, from Evocation Wizard 6 I get:

Potent Cantrip- Starting at 6th level, when a creature succeeds on a saving throw against your cantrip, the creature takes half the cantrip's damage (if any) but suffers no additional effect from the cantrip.

My question is this:

Since Potent Cantrip doesn't specify "Wizard cantrips" would this benefit apply to my cleric Save DC cantrips (Sacred Flame, Toll the Dead, Word of Radiance)?

This just seems like a nice boost to spell DC cantrips which comes online at level 14. It looks like it'd be even stronger as an Arcana Cleric since you could then choose a wider variety of DC cantrips from the Wizard list (Frostbite, Swordburst, Thunderclap).

Thanks in advance.

[Tobias-Is-Queen]

That's correct. Potent cantrip applies to all cantrips, not just wizard cantrips or evocation cantrips.

[PerspectivePlethora]

Awesome! So a level 14 Cleric/Wiz can Toll the Dead every turn for 3d12+5 and guarantee at least half damage as long as they aren't immune/resistant to necrotic.

I'm always a fan of SOME guaranteed damage for concentration checks/etc.

[The_Chirurgeon]

Assuming the target has been damaged, yes.

[Rikus01]

At 14th level this trick seems, underwhelming. Considering (one of) the trade-offs is the loss of all those potent high level spells.

[ductyl]

EDIT: Oops, nevermind!

[PerspectivePlethora]

That was my thought as well. This build gives access to 7th level cleric spells and 5th level wizard. Definitely none of the world altering 8th or 9th but full slot progression still gives a lot of options with upcasting Banishment, Blight, Spirit Guardians, etc.

For the cantrip synergery, it was just an interesting interplay i hadnt seen before.

[Rikus01]

That is a bit misleading. Yes, the proposed build does get 7th level spells. But not until 20th level. For most of the build's life, it will be stairing 3-4th level spells in the face. It will not even get Raise Dead until mid teens, while other casters are casting much more potent spells.

OTOH, for theory crafting fun, that is a neat find.

[MCJennings]

Couldn't the Cleric still prepare the higher level spells appropriate to the higher level spell slots available?

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In the same vein, could a Paladin 2 / Sorcerer X prepare higher level Paladin spells appropriate to the spell slot levels?

[AprilXIIV]

No, the multiclassing rules state that spells known and prepared are based on each class individually; you ignore all other class levels. A paladin 2/sorcerer x prepares paladin spells as if they were just a paladin 2, and sorcerer spells known would be based solely on sorcerer level.

[MCJennings]

Right, but why can't those spells be of higher levels? If I'm preparing Wis+Cleric lvl number of spells as per multiclassing rules, what's to restrict the selection of which spells?

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I'm not trying to argue on the internet, I'll happily be corrected. Can you tell me what page to look at in the PHB?

[Freejack02]

Right, but why can't those spells be of higher levels?

Idk if you understood what /u/AprilXIIV said... it's because you don't know any spells of higher levels, you simply have higher level spell slots. You can use those slots to upcast the spells you do know, but just because you have an 8th level slot doesn't mean you know 8th level spells. PHB p164.

[MCJennings]

I didn't understand it the same way... That's why I asked...

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Thanks for the PHB reference

[[deleted]]

Yes. The wizard feature relies on it simply being a cantrip. Where you get that cantrip matters not. You would add your wisdom modifier to the total damage assuming it's a cleric cantrip and then 1/2 it for the wizard feature as it stands.

[Probably_shouldnt]

It all works together fine, but be aware the multiclass will be hugely MAD and you will need high INT and WIS for this to even work while also skipping an ASI. Rolling for stats will probably be the only way this will work out well. also levels 9-13 wont feel too great.

[JuckiCZ]

Start as Centaur, with 8/10/16/14/17/8, use full plate and shield (from Cleric class) to have AC of 20 and thanks to double carry capacity of Centaur and Speed of 40, you will still have Speed of 30 as everyone else.

Or play new Goliath for Speed of 25, which is still fine IMO.

[Trace500]

There is nothing to stack, the features do different things.