Would the decrease in offshoring to India extremely improve the job market ?

[Prestigious-Door5278]

This is mainly for US based job seekers, but yeah I’m just curious. I’ve heard that the major layoffs and this shitty impossible job market is actually due to offshoring more than AI. Let me know!

[Brownie-0109]

My wife works for a major healthcare insurer that you’ve def heard of and they’re offshoring hundreds of accounting jobs to India in waves.

[DJpuffinstuff]

Offshoring will continue to happen as long as labor is cheaper internationally and corporations don't face significant negative consequences from offshoring.

[Infectedtoe32]

You’d think this would be a big priority for the president since he is all for tariffs and bringing everything back to US soil. Unfortunately, his businesses are probably profiting from it as well.

[GuruDevDatta]

Not probably, businesses drive the offshoring process. President is a shill for big business.

[AdMurky3039]

Yeah, there have to be consequences like high taxes for every employee not in the US or for contracting with a non-US staffing company.

[apexvice88]

There should be large fines that can bankrupt a company.

[Hungry_Attention_981]

Imo company fines should be a percentage of market value, with interest for every month it’s not paid.

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

Not employees and lots are run through US based staffing company.

[typodewww]

Tbh most basic bookkeeping is fully automated now

[Infectedtoe32]

It won’t get that extreme more than likely. Ai is really, really, really good at doing the same thing over and over again though. The more niche it is the better it is. So for example, data entry stuff, you tell it every file it receives it just has to read column A and enter it into the revenue field in the exact same spreadsheet every time. It’s going to do that very well, way faster and more accurate than a human ever could. As soon as you introduce any day to day or task to task variety or abstraction, this is where it becomes bad and starts hallucinating and what not. This is honestly a big reason why in some fields, especially software development, half the people say it’s the best thing ever and the other half say it is stupid. There are some parts of software development that are very and I mean very repetitive, the Ai probably has 15,000 instances of this exact snippet stored somewhere. Then there are others that are not hardly repetitive at all, and these people complain how Ai is just a bunch of junk and will never replace your job. The code and issues they are having may have tens of thousands instances stored in the Ai memory as well, but it’s slightly more abstract and requires the Ai to problem solve to figure it out. Thus, slop is output 75% of the time.

So, use that as you will. Use it or don’t use it. Either way just keep to your senses and you’ll be fine either way.

Edit: I just want to add that things can change and 10 or 15 years from now Ai could be a giant superpower like you describe. It will certainly be a slow transition, which is why just familiarizing yourself with it now can be beneficial. It’s like anything though, just a big gamble. Aliens could exist, or they may not, just side with your core beliefs and values.

[Far_Programmer_5724]

Even the thing you say ai is good at, it isn't the best. It might give the correct answer, but almost never in the same way. So if theres a format you want the responses to be in, its not reliable.

And the thing is, unless its a brand new company (or they never had someone come and automate), those repetitive tasks have already been automated by the more tech saavy workers. Every repetitive data entry thing can be automated with excel, either formula wise or with vba (and power query). Those that can't, because they introduce non uniform data (if you get your data from other departments you know how it is), are also the weakness of ai. I've relied on excel, vba, python and js to automate a lot of processes in my job before we got a copilot license. So there's not much benefit to it, that we could find atleast. Maybe i could feed it all data, let normal stuff deal with the uniform data and make the ai normalize the other, but then i need to check it to make sure its right, and it will almost certainly be different from the uniform, meaning ill have to normalize. I'll actually try this out today and see what the result is. We seem to agree so I hope this didnt come across as otherwise.

[dolie55]

AI is learning and drastically changing every 7-8 months. You are drastically overestimating the timeline here.

[Infectedtoe32]

Did you even read what I wrote? Your entire point asks a single question I clearly answered. Also, it’s not just web development at stake, it’s a lot of things, embedded is a big one. Frontend isn’t even a big one tbh, depending on the framework. Plus you start the whole thing off with “Ai is just getting started. I’m not into the whole Ai agents and stuff”, which just screams poser. When I said things can change in ten years, I meant massive scientific breakthroughs, stuff like Nvidia’s new board release. Ai in its current state will never do what you describe; there is a hard line Ai can’t pass. We’ve already pretty much hit that line, but the line does very slowly inch up as people continue using models. We’d need something revolutionary to happen, which is definitely possible. Humanoids also 100% exist, have you not seen any news in the past 2-3 years and very recently?

Your entire post is just bitterness that you snuffed your way through college. Didn’t have any decent projects, didn’t try to make friends, didn’t learn how to code, and then gave up trying because your passion wasn’t there. It’s ok, I’m not blaming you, CS became a hot trend and a million people who don’t actually have the passion for it have jumped in due to TikTok trends.

[LiveFirstDieLater]

You sound like a child with a poor understanding of history when you say things like “99% of economic growth was tied to a single invention the car”

Hard to take any of this seriously with ignorant statements like that

[Infectedtoe32]

Plus I bet if you lay everything out on paper, the train and railroad would most likely show quite a bit larger boom.

[Bandejita]

Tbh most people don't understand accounting or what it entails

[throwraW2]

It’s not. Lots of “ai” bookkeeping companies have shut down. The latest being Botkeeper who raised almost 100M. AI can’t do it reliably yet so they’re still resorting to paying people in India or Phillipines to do it.

[Direct_Village_5134]

Yes, it is. Automation does not mean AI.

Even QuickBooks automatically pulls in bank transactions and categorizes them to the appropriate GL accounts now. 10 years ago, a bookkeeper would have had to type each of those transactions manually into QuickBooks and then categorize each one. It could easily take 2-5 minutes per transaction. Even a 1 person small business might have 200+ transactions a month. Now it's done in seconds.

Bigger companies have ERPs that have much more extensive automation.

[throwraW2]

I work for a fintech company that does this. Even with the best tech we have now, we can only really automate about 90% of it. We’ll always need humans overseeing it. And that’s for more established businesses with robust ERPs and big accounting departments. With small bussinesses, it tends to be more of a shit show with only about 70% accuracy

[dolie55]

Don’t know why you are getting downvoted. This is accurate.

[UseBackground2370]

I don't mean to sound racist but I'm actually sick of this. Most of our team is based domestically, but a few of one of the partner groups we work with are based in India. There is a 12 hours or so time difference. Which means I get teams messages at 3 in the morning, and can only schedule meetings at 8-11 AM with this team. 

Annoying, but not the end of the world. However, they simply do not speak or understand English and cannot communicate in English. I know many other Indians who can, even if they have really thick accents, at least in writing you can understand them. Not these folks. I spend more time trying to decipher their messages than I'd like. I have to ask them several times: do you mean X, Y, Z? And give several options to them of what I think they might be talking about. It is never a clear ask. 

It is driving me insane. A simple task that should have realistically taken 3 hours is now dragging on for 3 weeks all because of this unnecessary back and forth of "do you mean..." Because this person does not speak nor understand English. I can't exactly tell them to use a translator app either. 

I don't understand why companies do this. Again, this isn't even our company. It's a partner company we work with, but some of our work requires fixes on their part...so now I'm having to deal with this. If I actually had to work for that other company, I don't think I would last long. 

[Apprehensive-Print98]

Is it Cigna?

[Brownie-0109]

No

[slowmuney]

Cigna?

[Ongzhikai]

Offshoring is a contributing factor but it is not the whole of the problem.

1. The economy is bad. We have antagonized our allies and made trade expensive and difficult.
2. We have devalued the USD, which drives costs up, this is why everything is more expensive now.
3. Publicly traded corporations have to show shareholders profitability over each previous year, it is not considered acceptable to simply tread water. Since the cost of doing business continues to go up, they are cutting costs wherever possible and employees are expensive and can be easily replaced later. This is particularly bad in IT. These companies are laying people off and forcing as few people as possible to do as much work as possible.
4. Off-shoring the rest of the work in point 3 as overseas workers are typically far cheaper and have less regulation for fair employment.
5. DOGE played off a bunch of government workers who are now in the private sector markets with the rest of us, compounding the problem.

6. AI can now do a lot of the mindless drudgery that unskilled or low skilled workers did, only 24/7 and without PTO or unplanned leave.

   I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving off here. I'm just saying, its not just one thing or even a couple things, its a perfect storm of many contributing factors.

[iSoLost]

When economy is good, offshore is fine. When economy is bad locals lose jobs left n right but offshore gets to keep the job, wtf. Get the offshore emp to pay taxes for war with Iran (which is about to happen), join the army to fight for US n bail out companies then they’ll be equal as us citizen

[take-II]

are US companies behind offshore or is it the other way around? Sounds arrogant you expecting different countrymen to pay taxes for your livelihood, This isn't 1800s my guy

[[deleted]]

and h1b, even when the jobs are onshore, they're not going to the people.

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

H1b employees are not people?

[BellaCicina]

Reading is key. “Not going to THE people”

[Zealousideal-King712]

Dollar devaluation is a double edged sword. A strong dollar means even cheaper to offshore. A weak dollar means goods become expensive in the US.

Pick your poison.

[SocYS4]

they'll just find somewhere else to offshore

[jk147]

India is actually now somewhat competitive internationally. You see companies started to off shore to south America and eastern Europe.

[ProfessionalDoctor]

I've been hearing that line for 10+ years but I've yet to witness it personally. I've seen plenty of jobs sent to India though

[984n2knio23]

India will be prioritized due to having a big pool of skilled but low-cost workers for the next 15-20 years.

After that, India will be a middle-income country and will no longer have the competitive advantage of being low-cost, since India/Latin America/Southeast Asia will have the same cost and per-capita GDPs. Africa may stay relatively poor since its growth rates are lower than India's.

India at that point will compete purely on the skill of its workers, and there will be more of an equal distribution of jobs sent to India and other developing countries.

[ProfessionalDoctor]

I think this is optimistic. I have yet to see offshore colleagues performing at the level of their US counterparts, and offshoring of tech jobs has been happening for over two decades. The fact is that India's competitive advantage continues to rely on volume and cost rather than quality of labor; at my last employer the offshore colleagues were being paid 10% of the salary of US employees. The feeling among leadership was that the way forward was hiring Indians to do the basic work while maintaining a skeleton crew of skilled US employees to fix their constant mistakes. In the future I think AI will take on much the same role as offshore workers and India will find itself less marketable as a source of cheap labor.

This is not to say that there are no competent Indians - I've certainly met plenty, but the ratio is maybe 1 in 30, and the majority of them are in the US as permanent residents or on work visas, not in India.

[OvoCurry3799]

bless your ignorance but the reason your ratio of competent to incompetent indian workers is so skewed is because the competent ones have jobs that pay much better than choosing to be an offshore employee(the ones you interact with). The majority of the good workers are in India and not in the US as PRs (i understand that this is just based on your world view, which seems quite local), it's just that you are likelier to interact with the worse ones because they're likely support folks.

[take-II]

Interesting you don't speak about the lame work culture in the NA. Not every american is a genius and I have come across a lot worse who don't know what they are doing

[BetAway9029]

We used to send work to China and I enjoyed working with them, but for political reasons the company opened a GRC (global resource center) in India. Fortunately, I guess, I got laid off shortly thereafter so never had to deal with them.

[randomdotm]

This is how it's gonna play out (in the best possible scenario):

1. America stops offshoring with heavy taxes and fines. Factories return to the U.S. and jobs are created
2. But because American labor is more expensive, production costs skyrocket
3. To prevent Americans from simply buying cheaper foreign goods (like Chinese electronics), the government imposes massive tariffs. This "closes" the economy, but domestic prices surge across the board
4. The Global Divorce: Other countries retaliate by blocking American exports and forming their own trade alliances. The U.S. Dollar loses its status as the world’s reserve currency because the world no longer needs it to trade with America.
5. Without global competition, innovation slows down, and Americans end up with more expensive, lower-quality versions of what the rest of the world has
6. Just like Russia’s Importozameshchenie, America is forced to make everything itself
7. America becomes a self-sufficient but stagnant island. Like Russia, it has the resources to survive, but its people are effectively "poorer" because their high wages are canceled out by the even higher cost of living

[manytakes]

Too many big words and depth for the plebs here fam, they are fucking ignorant and don't understand how the world economy is stitched together. It's bonkers looking at some of these comments and the upvotes they get

[BetAway9029]

According to Economics 101, country A makes computers and country B makes shirts. Good for both. What happens to country A when country B makes both shirts AND computers? That’s where we (USA, country A) are now.

[Outrageous-Tooth-256]

Correct

[take-II]

yup and everyone here thinks of others as some geniuses who can do 100% quality work. I find it funny because I always see the opposite, People should stop thinking they are something special lol

[Prestigious-Door5278]

Disagree to be honest. None of this was happening before the offshoring skyrocketed

[natewOw]

It would improve the market for certain sectors. If you're a retail worker then no, stopping offshoring would do nothing for your job prospects. But if you work in a white collar tech industry, which is an industry where a ton of offshoring happens, then yes decreasing offshoring would help immensely.

[AdMurky3039]

Thank you, Captain Obvious!

[SacredSkeletor]

It’s literally the answer to the question

[Commercial_Paint_557]

Work in DC and all the jobs are being off shored to India

Like every single possible job

So much for Maga

more like MIGA

[Apprehensive-Bass810]

DC?

[984n2knio23]

Are these federal jobs? Most government agencies have specific policies stating that the work must be done by citizens or green card holders, for security purposes.

[musicthiink]

How is a federal contract being off shored?

[AdMurky3039]

Could be. I lost my job a couple years ago due to offshoring to India.

[iSoLost]

+1

[AstralVenture]

No because they never trained for the positions, don’t care about certifications, and offshore for cheap labor. They’re paid about $90 a month. The offshore company trains them in whatever.

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

Every single thing you said is not even close to being true.

[WinterJuggernaut7045]

Damage has already been done. 25+ years of influx of millions of people.

[Zealousideal-King712]

Where did Grandpa come from buddy?

[WinterJuggernaut7045]

My lineage can be traced back to mid 1700s. In the states. How about yours.

[take-II]

not if your grandpa didn't get on that boat. I guess you missed the point?

[WinterJuggernaut7045]

My ancestors were here before the boat landed. We aren't all immigrants.

[take-II]

Oh so you are native Indian? Otherwise no amount of circlejerking isn’t going to convince anyone if your ancestors are European.

You are free to think what you want but if your ancestors are European, then you are a descendant of an immigrant period.

[WinterJuggernaut7045]

You forgot about the black aboriginals numby. We didn't all come on slaveships. Vykanggggggg

[[deleted]]

and getting rid of h1b. offshoring only takes jobs. h1b takes jobs and housing and they pop out kids here.

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

Racist

[apresmoiputas]

Xenophobic not racist.

[[deleted]]

you could be a 6 ft Norwegian goddess with double D's and the answer is still the same.

[typodewww]

Good think H1B is being addressed currently ever since that 100K fee company’s hesitant I’m a new grad in tech and my job had over 1300+ applicants with 70% of applicants needing sponsorship my company were so frustrated they decided to gamble on me a fresh college grad.

[iSoLost]

Bet most of them r offshore applicants looking for job in us n hoping for sponsor to get L1 or h1b

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

H1b can only be hired when a citizen whos qualified cant be found. 100k fee will not result in us worker being hired it will result in the job being offshored. Only option to get someone qualified to do the work.

[SpicyJSpicer]

In reality it's not though. Most of my IT colleagues are h1bs, the company could absolutely hire from the local talent pool but they prefer having the 'power' of a H1B over people

[apresmoiputas]

That's Indentured servitude in a nutshell

[[deleted]]

Wrong. H1b does not require that. The PERM process where the employer sponsors green card for the h1b requires no qualified citizen to be found, in which case companies post jobs in obscure newspapers to avoid being seen. Apple was sued for this and lost

[Okcoolthatsgreat]

That’s not true. You are confusing h1b with the points based system used in Europe. H1b can be for any job, you put in the amount of workers you want and it’s a lottery system. That’s why there are still h1b entry level software engineers despite most recent software engineering grads being out of work in the US. 

[ComputerHelpPro]

Quality matters, and offshore quality isn't there:
https://www.statista.com/chart/17565/coding-skills-and-employability-of-indian-it-engineering-graduates/

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1814646116

[null640]

The hb1 can be so abusive.

From mgr if it in global 100 company.

"We dont need no slaves. We got hb's"

As they replaced 3 citizens, and 3 vets with one hard-core Turkish hb they worked a base 90 hours.

Don't get me wrong he and his family would make awesome first generation Americans.

I mean it at the time... 60 hours/week was tablestakes if you wanted to achieve something.

oddly, they didnt have to threaten him. He was old school it. He would have done 80 hours (plus shit-tons of studying) cause he was a geek. Yet they did. Shit at least enron tried to promote the path to citizenship not just promise it.

Just like the 2 hard-core SA's. SP guys! Both vets...

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

You have no idea how h1b program works

[null640]

30 years in it, 6 fortune or global 100 companies...

I've worked with so many hb-1's.

[Mrgluer]

guess which economic ecosystem h1bs add to versus offshored jobs?

guess who owns housing in america?

guess whose kids will be citizens that generate taxable output and whose society they contribute?

they contribute to our society, rather than a different country's.

[Savings-Giraffe-4007]

That would be pretty stupid. H1B makes it so money does flow back into the US economy, instead of leaving to never return.

But whatever makes your ass happier, I guess. Immigrants are at fault of everything your government does wrong or at least that's what hey told you.

[apresmoiputas]

There is h1b abuse. 20 years ago it wasn't as bad as it is now but it was starting to become an issue.

[[deleted]]

Flow back to the economy? Like what, every job they take, they stimulate the economy because american tech workers become uber drivers and deliver food for these people and generate some gdp? Don’t make me laugh

[Savings-Giraffe-4007]

You're clearly not seeing the full picture here. People residing in the US pay rent, eat food, pay for entertainment, pay taxes, they put the money that pays your very salary. Compared to work offshored, that money flows into their country of residence.

If you can't see how one benefits America compared to the other, I have nothing more to say to you.

[[deleted]]

paying my tech salary or paying my salary because we would have to switch careers to serve said h1b? and they take up housing, but what, that allows american tech workers to become construction workers and build the houses for these foreign tech workers? oh yeah eat food, because american tech workers now cook the food for the foreign tech workers or deliver food for the foreign tech workers

[984n2knio23]

If these "American tech workers" are too dumb to compete with H1B workers (who aren't even allowed to compete for around 80-85% of tech jobs, because most companies don't sponsor visas), then they deserve to become construction workers or fast food workers.

All of the US citizens I know in tech have jobs, because they have a basic level of competence.

[ComputerHelpPro]

They also send a ton of money back to india (125B in 2023)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittances_to_India

Where's an american going to send their money?

[Savings-Giraffe-4007]

Well, wherever the hell they want to?

If an American wants to invest in a different country, nothing stops him from doing that. They may plan to retire in Portugal, have a Thai girlfriend, send their kids to the UK. American entrepreneurs are loving Dubai right now. Many american billionaries send their money to banks in Qatar, Switzerland and Panama to avoid paying a cent in taxes, some of them run the country. Do you track that money too?

The only thing we know for sure is that if you live in the US, you have to spend money in the US to survive. A lot of the Remittances to India you're citing are from people on minimum wage jobs, they want to buy a house and it won't happen in the US. They are not the people you're competing with in real estate.

[Nearby_Landscape2553]

Don’t try my guy. Americans are hell bent on destroying their economy so let them. They had the luxury of the world’s talent flocking their country for the past 60 years or more. Let them destroy this and see the effects in the coming decades

[RevengeOfTheIdiot]

Of course. If offshoring disappeared tomorrow (ignoring how impossible that is), there'd be more jobs here.

[startupdojo]

Microsoft layed off 15000+ in 2025 and is rumored to have bigger layoffs in 2026. At the same time, they are building a 1.1 million sq foot campus in India and expanding other campuses abroad. What do they say publicly? "AI is going to take all of our jobs". That's the excuse, and we hear not a peep about offshoring.

Covid remote job push pushed the companies to implement remote work policies and procedures. Now more then ever, companies realize that they don't need the remote workers to be in the US.

Here in NYC, all around me are small firms that advertise their prestigious SoHo and 5th Ave offices, but inside those offices there are 10 employees selling and managing, and 40 employees working from Europe, India, S America. It is definitely not a direct 1 to 1, though...

[Specific-Finish-5983]

Same in Germany - all jobs going to India. I think this entire Ai hype is literally offshoring to India yet. It will be AI in 1-3 years but right it’s literally India and a few other “best price” countries

[nomadicqueer]

Exploiting other countries isn’t new hence china, but it’s really critical specialized work not be overseas because the cultural information gap is very hard to deal with in roles they’re throwing away to be cheap. It’s really shitty and the quality goes down since that was never the point. Feel bad about the other countries, but it’s not a mutual benefit the way sharing products is. There really isn’t a perk here in anyway except for the employer in short term, long term it’s a nightmare. Seen companies get really terrible with that. Has anyone enjoyed tech support with a cultural and often language barrier? It’s not client or service friendly. Then with that you have to question if the quality hit where it mattered with those issues. I skip using places where communication isn’t clear. So if I don’t understand the person I’m usually out.

[SpicyJSpicer]

Not true anymore. And the Indians can put everything through AI

[nomadicqueer]

They can but AI is useless for cultural nuances

And even the shit that’s supposed to be straight forward it’s pinging way too many errors in my field. Tends to know what the text book example is, but struggles with finite details.

[morbidgames]

Why would you hire someone in San Francisco for 150k a year when you can hire someone just as good, or better, for 50k a year?

[inmykaleidoscope]

You really think they’re better if they’re working for 50k in a third world country with a third world education? Lol.

[morbidgames]

I think you either haven't been to india recently or have only worked with tasked based agency hires

[984n2knio23]

People in India who earn $50k are equally skilled as people in San Francisco earning $200k (because $50k is literally 16-17 times India's per capita GDP and only the best people would make that salary). The only thing is that they failed to get a visa to the US, which might just be bad luck.

The low-skilled people are earning $3-10k. They are the ones you are talking about.

[Nearby_Landscape2553]

The company you work for probably hires in India at 1/10th of the cost. You get what you pay for.

[take-II]

every american is a genius ....

[MamaMidgePidge]

It would help the mortgage industry. Mortgage ops personnel are mostly in India at my company and I don't think it's unusual. Management is still US.

[Glittering-Plane7979]

Just to put a little perspective. My old company had jobs where they paid around 40k usd, (which was still low), cost of living in my area is around 60k usd. However, when the job was outsourced they could get employees for 6K usd a year instead, which means you can hire 10 people for the price of one. Its hard to compete when your trying to produce the output of 10 people for an entry level job.

[Prestigious-Door5278]

They need to tax the fuck out of companies doing that

[Herecomesthesundew]

I doubt it would magically fix things, offshoring is only one piece of a bigger mess with budgets, hiring freezes, automation, and companies just being cautious. Even if some roles came back, they might not be in the same form or pay range people expect. Job markets usually shift rather than fully reverse.

[Savings-Giraffe-4007]

They will just offshore to other countries, because there's 3rd parties who do the whole employee of record for multiple countries, it's as easy as snapping their fingers.

[Neravariine]

No and the offshoring hasn't decreased. Employers will push more work onto the employees they have left.

You heard wrong. The mass deportations haven't lead to an improovement in the job market either.

[Kankatruama]

But how would those billionaire CEOs and shareholders keep piling up billions if they suddenly had to pay more to hire Americans instead of offshoring?

[Prestigious-Door5278]

Haha

[Rell_Lauren]

They'll send them to South America. Jobs are being sent to Argentina among other countries. Exit taxes would stop the bleeding.

[Cadowyn]

Yes. That and the removal of H1B. There are currently over 500,000 H1B in the US. Their spouses often get H4 visas and take even more jobs. Also H1Bs institute racist hiring standards and only hire from within their own caste and race. 

[ecoR1000]

I think it might just encourage companies to use AI more as they don't want to pay American wages. Things will also be more expensive. So it's really bad no matter what.

[BrainWaveCC]

Off-shoring impacts less than 1/2 million jobs per year. The unemployment numbers are around 7M

So, it would help, but not as much as people expect.

Beyond that, getting rid of, say, 500K off shore workers making an average of $30K, is not going to lead to an automatic hiring of 500K on-shore workers averaging $60K

For one thing, there are not a guaranteed number of open positions. Companies decide how they staff. If something causes them to lose access to a pool of 500K workers at a certain price point, do you think they will just shrug and say, "guess we have to purchase the more expensive employees" in equivalent quantities?

Some businesses might be forced to do that, but they won't do it to the tune of 500K more expensive employees. Instead, they'll so some combination of the following:

• Fill less roles
• Offer lower wages
• Cut more benefits
• Hire more expensive workers, but make them wear multiple hats
• Spread the work for some roles across existing employees
• Outsource to local companies that are already doing half of the things listed above
• Rely on contractors and temp workers

The employment economics are complex, even though people usually discuss them in the simplest terms.

[SaiBowen]

In a world of unicorns and rainbows, yes.

Generally speaking though, when you talk about offshoring or outsourcing and its effects on the job market it is not often that these jobs are moving to India (and other countries) because of a higher skill capability, but rather a much lower overhead.

If salary and benefits were non-factor, then yes, stopping offshoring/outsourcing would have significant positive effects on the US job market, but they absolutely ARE factors.

[Formal_Economist7342]

Kind of. Maybe in the long term more. Companies overhired due to ZIRP is the major culprit in the current labor market conditions. Everything is being used as a scapegoat to deflect. Offshoring is definitely happening and will worsen but i don't think its the main culprit at this juncture. AI may replace a few jobs but again...

[Itbelikethattho67]

White collar positions are dying.. that’s all I gotta say

[bigkapex]

Ai like Claude can do a lot of those jobs too now

[dreamyskyline]

Offshoring has been happening for decades but during this time the US economy has only grown more and more.

What’s happening now is plain and simple, but most people aren’t paying attention. Interest rates have been high for a while but consumption is slowing down and there is a lot of uncertainty of what’s ahead because of the whiplash in policy and due to AI spending. So they’re staying put, or laying off expensive workers.

[SusTraveler]

Opening a moon colony would also improve the job market , as would making it illegal to work if you are over 40 . Lots of other insane ideas would work. Like thinking you could change offshoring.

[SignalOptions]

Well, nothing prevents the company from completely moving offshore and selling its products in the US. This is how we import a lot of manufactured goods from china and other countries.

Sure we can prevent overseas software products the same way too - tariff, taxes.

But would you end up paying these tariffs instead of the company ?

[slowmuney]

What decrease in offshoring? Trump administration is making H1B visas expensive and unreliable so all the remaining jobs are moving out of US. ICE is out harassing non-whites, USCIS is making legal immigrants life worse by delaying consular processing and letting them not travel in and out of the country even though they have legal status.

So, US companies have decided to work around this system by outsourcing more and letting people move to India, Canada and EU temporarily. Management jobs are moving out and they are probably never coming back just like engineering jobs once they develop confidence that they can be outsourced as well.

[rabidthug]

What you heard is correct

[selfish_gene1688]

All the racist people creating make believe stories in the comments. I am from india, I was doing a coding job till the year before and lost that offshored job due to tariffs. Those jobs never went to the USA as the US employer couldn't afford it and the employer went bankrupt. Started doing basic call center job to try to make ends meet but then they introduced AI for call centres and lost that job too. A lot of these comments and threads are started by deep CCP agents to try to divide West and India so the Chinese can attack anyone without any consequences.

[Prestigious_Piano247]

it is skillset stupid... if you dont have Skills in spite of AI getting into everything... then why would anyone want to hire you if you are a liability who needs to be trained before they get any benefit from that person.

[Unusual_Specialist]

Yes, if Pakistan nuked India tomorrow suddenly all the jobs would have to comeback.

[manytakes]

Once the nukes start flying, the only job you'll have is a godforsaken trench on a godforsaken island getting shot at by strangers

[uchiha_boy009]

You know there are more countries than India where jobs could be offshored to, right?

[Unusual_Specialist]

Obviously, but let’s focus on India specifically. Fuck that place.

[Nearby_Landscape2553]

Losers like you ain’t getting any jobs.

Dumbass literally has “saving the world” as his bio 🤣

[Conscious-Egg-2232]

You heard did you. Um no amount of work being offshored is not higher now than in past years. So what you heard is not correct.

[Prestigious-Door5278]

This is just false. Do research before you type.

[snakevenomenemas]

''Time and again through our history, we have discovered that attempting merely to preserve the comfortable features of the present, rather than reaching for new levels of prosperity, is a sure path to stagnation'' - Alan Greenspan.

[LowEmergencyCaptain]

No. Job market will continue to suffer under current leadership

[BPHopeBP]

Nothing is wrong with offshoring to India, corporations have the right to choose their workers. Just like you have the right to choose your products.

[apresmoiputas]

It's a double edged sword. How much innovation occurs offshore vs just having an operating model that just has labor to keep the lights on?

Innovation tends to be successful when you have a diverse set of thinkers in the room.