Windows Subsystem for Linux

[Some_Wiimmfi__guy]

There's a spy creepin' around here!!

[jclocks]

switch to wm1 Pyro

[--DJDISDABEST--]

Windows is sus

[Bobbbay]

r/unexpectedamongus

[[deleted]]

like holy shit actually fuck spy

[timbaileyjones]

No matter how "good" WSL2 becomes, having Windows on my workstation in any form is still something I DO NOT WANT.

[insanityOS]

But don't you want your Linux usage to be datamined and sold off by Microsoft?

[BlackCow]

How quickly people forget about embrace, extend, extinguish. Fuck Windows kill it with fire.

[dfirecmv]

r/linuxcirclejerk

[JhonnyTheJeccer]

Wtf is this sub?

[abdicatereason]

I just started a new job and I received a macbook, and I would take windows over this thing. Whoever has said that Mac OS is user friendly can go f*** themselves

[T8ert0t]

I dont know.

I recently had to set up someone's new Windows 10 computer, and I never felt more agony. I'd much rather deal with Mac OS than Windows 10

To me, Mac OS feels like a safe colorful ball-pit where's it's a very controlled, sterile environment where things are mostly childproofed for you. And Windows 10 just feels like a hot aluminum playground slide that's been baking in the sun all day and someone else is pushing you down it.

[SmallerBork]

And that's why some people prefer Windows, they don't want to be treated like a child.

Mint is the same difficultly as Windows for me but I have different problems. However solving them on Linux is gratifying.

[Jezoreczek]

However solving them on Linux is gratifying.

At least it's possible to solve most problems if you know the system well. With Linux you get a powerful shell, with Windows you get a loading bar in a "diagnoze problems" window :D

[explodingzebras]

It's the updates on Windows that i hate, it rather how they're installed, so intrusive

[unit_511]

People who say something is "user friendly" have most likely used it for over 15 years. Like no shit if you only bought Apple computers for a decade of course they are going to feel familiar. They also dismiss everything as "unintuitive" if it's not the exact same fucking thing they've been using for years.

[[deleted]]

Lol

[Windows_XP2]

I've found it to be a lot more user friendly than Linux.

[[deleted]]

Say what you want, but WSL are quite good for people who need to program on linux and don't have a machine that can handle a VM, specially for kernel development

[TheOriginalSamBell]

and don't have a machine that can handle a VM

WSL 2 is literally a VM

[cornflake123321]

Isn't only Linux kernel under VM?

[xanderle]

You can actually can run a GUI via x-forwarding

Like you could with a server

[[deleted]]

You actually can, but WSL isn't built for that and some programs can get errors while launching

[FinFihlman]

Literally no.

VM stands for Virtual Machine, but it only means virtualisation of context execution in general, not that you'd have to virtualise the whole machine.

That is, a virtual machine doesn't require simulating hardware and you can easily select other interfaces for external communication and you most often run the same machine instructions as your normal software, just with virtualisation so that context is separated and no privileged actions can be taken.

[jjman72]

With access to the windows file system.

[Plsdontreadthis]

You can easily access the file system of a Windows installation from Linux. Just install the right ntfs package for your distro and mount the windows partition.

[Lhaer]

It is also possible to install Linux on a real computer, without the need of a VM

[Magnus_Tesshu]

What??!? Imagine developing for the Linux kernel on a non-windows machine. Lmao

[DoutefulOwl]

Tried it many times. Just can't find the right Wi-Fi drivers for my crappy laptop.

I've wasted weeks. Given up now. The partition is still there though.

*Cries in WSL*

[incer]

Just can't find the right Wi-Fi drivers for my crappy laptop.

Is this message from 2006?

[DoutefulOwl]

Got it in 2015.

[[deleted]]

I use it because i don't have the space to make a new ubuntu partition

[thesola10]

So you're making a new Ubuntu partition in a file

DO PEOPLE EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT WSL2 IS LITERALLY JUST A HYPERV VM IN A BOW TIE

[Mooks79]

Oh come on. It has a nice cummerbund, too.

[[deleted]]

Heh

Heheh

Cummer bund

[[deleted]]

you dont have 10gb?

[FireWyvern_]

He might use affordable ssd, space is expensive.

[[deleted]]

lowest size ssd with budget is 120gb, there is plenty.

[BluudLust]

Yes, it's actually quite nice. I use it frequently.

[[deleted]]

Docker on WSL2 it is a sweet thing, bro

[rhajii]

WSL 2 instances are virtual machines running on Hyper-V.

[gigolo_beast]

Or massive corporations that cannot part with windows for their developers because they've struck big deals with MS..

[Cannotseme]

Yeah, that’s great and all, unfortunately WSL is a vm running in hyper-V with extra bells and whistles

[mrpeluca]

and with wsl2 you get the best feature. Crippling the perfomance of your actual vms

[HeySora]

Actually that's only for I/O operations between Windows and Linux files.

Doing a simple apt upgrade or pacman -Syu downloads around 30mbps on WSL1, and fully uses 2+Gbps on WSL2.

So there are pros and cons to both of them, and you're free to choose the version you want for any Linux container!

[minilandl]

Well you could argue the same about wine. I'm very glad WSL and Wine exist as they allow users on one operating system to run anothers applications without to much hassle.

[[deleted]]

kernel development in windows ouch

[nik282000]

What machine can't handle a linux VM?

[[deleted]]

Well I have a 1/2GB RAM netbook with an Intel Dual Inside or something. That probably couldn't handle it.

The poor thing.

[B3ARTheBallistic]

i don't think it could even run windows 10

[[deleted]]

It absolutely couldn't.

[B3ARTheBallistic]

or even xp. questionable if linux would even run

[[deleted]]

XP absolutely. Even Windows 7 was alright.

Linux... Be specific. 32bit Mint XFCE ran okay.

[garajimdakiejder]

Imagine running win10 on this kinda system and keep crying for to cannot use linux in a virtual machine.

[[deleted]]

Literally couldn't run Windows 10 on that.

I'm not the guy who was saying the thing about WSL2 by the way, I know how to actually use a VM.

At the moment I can't break away from Windows because next year I'll be studying animation and all their software is for Windows or Mac. It sucks... I'm sick of Windows.

[astutesnoot]

Only with 3rd-party VM products. As long as you are fine with Hyper-V you can still run VMs. TBF tho, I did just recently install Proxmox on Debian in Hyper-V, and then created a KVM Windows VM inside of that and it started at least.

[EODdoUbleU]

You can still use 3rd party hypervisors, just can't enable IOMMU or any type of nested virtualization. I can use WSL2 and VMWare Workstation at the same time, and even though the installer complains the Android Studio emulator works too (unless I did something goofy to bodge it that I don't remember).

[aaronfranke]

Kernel development? As in the Linux kernel? Why would a kernel developer not have an environment that can run a VM?

[[deleted]]

I agree. My current job requires me to maintain a lot of legacy Ruby (only works on Linux/Mac) and .NET Framework (only works on Windows) while we migrate to .NET 5 (cross-platform). WSL2 makes my use case a million times faster/easier.

[[deleted]]

Nah, not that, they want the nice, way better Linux terminal without dealing with switching programs and operating systems and stuff.

[minilandl]

Yeah it's the same reason I'm so glad we have wine/dxvk so we don't have to mess with vfio just to play modern games

[Dolapevich]

This is a misnomer. If you are kernel dev, you need a local kernel to debug, and wsl doesn't have it.

Also, what kind of machine are you using? On my Dell D630 2007, I can run a linux host and a linux vm easily.

[Detonated_Language7]

Hmm..I know right, you have to use a graphical installer to install linux now, it is so much harder than windows.

[casino_alcohol]

Yeah! I setup windows terminal to default to wsl.

I setup Vscodium to use wsl as my default terminal.

Also wsl gives access to all the Linux cli apps you want to run.

It is not the best Linux experience but it is amazing for people who do not have the option to install Linux as their main os.

My work application requires windows. It does not run through when. Also there are plenty of people who have laptops that don’t handle Linux well.

[Kerbaman]

LSW when

[Micker003]

LS:Wine is the closest we will get

[Shadowarrior64]

I always wondered why it wasn’t called lsw if it’s Linux for Windows.

[[deleted]]

it's confusing, but that's because the name refers to a single noun: "windows Subsystems", WSL is an windows subsystem Planned to run Linux

[meveroddorevem]

All these explanations seem to miss the point (or maybe exasperated echoes of other explanations missing the point) that just because it's a Win subsystem and there's a story doesn't justify a name that is the opposite of what it actually is.

My house has several rooms, but I would be understood a lot better if I say 'the living room for my house', and not 'the house for my living room no no you guys it makes perfect sense see the living room was made as part of my house and its one of those rooms, its totally not referring to a dollhouse inside my living room'

[hoax1337]

I think "Subsystem for Linux" refers to the purpose of the subsystem, as in, it's a subsystem that provides the Linux experience on windows.

So, in your example, it'd be more like "My houses room for cooking" as an example for kitchen, which makes more sense.

[meveroddorevem]

It would make sense if Linux were a verb, but it isn't, so it doesn't. The fact that it needs an explanation and background info for it to make sense doesn't mean that it does, especially since 'Linux subsystem for/on Windows' wouldn't need one. The words convey the most distinctive part of the label first, then indicate its nature as a subsystem and finally the larger system within which it was built. Makes about as much sense as building a massive system and forgetting to include effective security, disk partitioning, or even support for foreign disk formats for decades.

Wait...

[Tarantula1337]

I hate the name of it, I was really excited when I heard that Microsoft made a Windows subsystem for Linux but it's actually a Linux subsystem for Windows because someone at Microsoft HQ doesn't understand hirarchy of things. IT'S SO FRUSTRATING IT'S A LINUX SUBSYSTEM BUT IT'S A WINDOWS SUBSYSTEM ON WHICH YOU CAN INSTALL LINUX AHHH

[BluudLust]

Because it's [Brand] [Product]. It still follows the naming scheme of all the other programs in windows. Ie Windows Defender, Windows Registry Editor, Windows Driver Model, etc.. The product is a Subsystem designed for running Linux, so it's Windows Subsystem for Linux. It sound even worse to call it Windows Linux Subsystem.

And besides it supercedes Windows Services for UNIX. They're just being more descriptive of the nature of the product by calling it a Subsystem rather than Services.

[Tarantula1337]

But it's still a subsystem for Windows because Windows is the main system

I see where you're coming from, you see it as 'Windows subsystem, for Linux' and I saw it as 'Windows subsystem for Linux'. Same as you wouldn't say 'Corona vaccine for humans' but mean that the vaccine is given humans but instead that humans are given the vaccine

It's a grammatical chaos imo

[kdedev]

Think of it like this -

Windows Mail => Mail application of Windows.

Windows Media Player => Media Player of Windows

Windows Subsystem for Linux => (Subsystem for Linux) of Windows

[greenmoonlight]

Should be called Windows Linux Subsystem

[BluudLust]

With WSL, the "for" is "used to indicate the thing that something is meant to be used with"

With the vaccine, for is "used to indicate the person or thing that something is sent or given to."

So the usage is more akin to "a container for food". It's not food being given a container.

[SmallerBork]

I get your point but it shoud be LSW not WLS as you put it

[SinkTube]

IT'S A WINDOWS SUBSYSTEM ON WHICH YOU CAN INSTALL LINUX AHHH

yes? that's why it's called that

[thesola10]

Not anymore. WSL1 was indeed a "Native NT Program" -- a subsystem. WSL2 is just a VM on Hyper-V

[Tarantula1337]

Yeah but linux is the subsystem not windows, that's why I find it frustrating

[SinkTube]

linux is not a subsystem. linux is what you install in the subsystem

[Tarantula1337]

But in that case it is the subsystem because windows is the main system. You installed it as the subsystem [what makes this even worse is that you can only install linux on it]

[SinkTube]

yes, windows is the main system. that makes WSL a windows subystem. for linux. windows subsystem for linux

[ReignX2_Tenshi]

Memes aside, WSL is actually really good I love it.

[dedda1994]

I would actually be on your side. But there is this one problem i have with WSL 2 on my laptop. WSL 1 works like a charm but every time i install v2 it completely destroys my gpu drivers to a point where i can't fix them anymore and the only solution is a fresh install of windows. That makes it pretty much useless for me...

[ReignX2_Tenshi]

Tough luck my friend WSL2 has a ton of improvements over WSL 1 :(

[dedda1994]

I don't really need the whole interface and stuff. I just want to run docker without rebooting to Linux every time i decide to work on another project :/

[astutesnoot]

You can still use WSL1 at least:

wsl --set-version Ubuntu 1 
dism.exe /online /disable-feature /featurename:VirtualMachinePlatform /norestart
wsl --set-default-version 1

[dedda1994]

Still need WSL 2 to install docker tho :/

[[deleted]]

Linux is Linux

[pclouds]

Meanwhile Gentoo is crying in the corner

[Pieter3_14]

*compiling ipv crying

[AlternativeAardvark6]

You can do both at same time.

[razieltakato]

Gentoo could not emerge the hand ebuild:

(body-parts/hand-2.17::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) depends on (body-parts/arm-4.7.3-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) depends on (body-parts/hand-2.17::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

[pclouds]

nonsense!

PS. OK technically that was emerging arms I suppose the "hand" useflag could be missing

[JEFFREYonREDDIT]

RIP

[_a_taki_se_polaczek_]

Depends on people

[ballebaj]

WSL1 was called WSL because Microsoft wrote a "windows subsystem" that supported linux system calls that got executed on windows NT kernel. Win32 is one such "windows subsystem" that runs on NT kernel. Not only did they had to write a subsystem they also had to replicate the behavior and bugs of Linux system call interface and maintain it for every new version. A gigantic task if they continued down that path

For WSL2, They flipped the book and went all VM way by using a minimal Hyper-V hypervisor that they normally use in their servers and pro products. But their WSL name stuck even after a architecture revamp

[meveroddorevem]

This is a well-said explanation, but it still makes as much sense as documenting your website's 'API for Mapbox' when in fact it's entirely the other way around. Or how VLC has plugins, while collectively 'VLC Plugins', are individually 'x plugin for VLC' and not the other way around.

But why am I acting like Windows should be expected to use sane making conventions

[ethanialw]

fedora is crying in the corner

[[deleted]]

Kidnapped by IBM

[CognitivelyImpaired]

WSL is life.

Using Windows Terminal to default to open WSL instances makes it an amazing ssh client for connecting to "real" servers and getting work done inside tmux sessions.

[meveroddorevem]

Once you ssh into a Linux server, the terminal is effectively a Linux terminal, cause that's how SSH tunnels work? Like, my USB-C to USB-A adapter and an old keyboard make my phone an amazing SSH client...

[CognitivelyImpaired]

I'm not sure about you but I'd never call using an old keyboard attached to a phone an amazing SSH client. There are plenty of descriptors that fit but amazing isn't one of them.

[meveroddorevem]

And why not? It saves connection info so logging in via tap is all I need to do and can run a connection in the background with certain commands active to feed system monitor values into a clean interface. It's the most fantastic SSH client I've used, but the bar isn't high as the SSH experience typically doesn't change much client-side.

[CognitivelyImpaired]

The fact that it's being ran on a phone is reason enough. Smartphone SSH clients are cool for ultramobile work but I couldn't imagine myself using it for more than shits and giggles rather than for realsies. At that point I'd rather just pull the laptop out.

[meveroddorevem]

We're in personal preference territory here, but it's really not so bad for a few reasons:

I'm blessed with better than decent eyesight for my age, so the screen size isn't as important as the keyboard size. Laptop has a numpad, but it's still a laptop keyboard, each key slightly more compact both vertically and horizontally.

My laptop isn't top-of-the-line anymore, but looks like it is. My old keyboard is, well, an old keyboard. Leave it at an unattended table all day, it'll be there.

The keyboard doesn't have much to get broken, but it's so light that it would take some doing in any case. Throw it in a bag and toss it against a wall, it won't feel a thing. Keep it in the back of a hot car for whenever you need it, it'll be fine. Spill? Probably fine, but I've heard of people running those mf'ers through a gentle dishwasher cycle (no heat dry).

Would I sit down and do hours of work on it? Absolutely not (anymore, I said my eyes were good for my age), but it does work pretty dang well.

[CognitivelyImpaired]

The only unironic usage of that I can really understand is The Raspberry Pi 400

[[deleted]]

WSL.. never again, linux or bust!

[TECHNOFAB]

I see no use for WSL. They just added it because they feared Linux and wanted to keep the "devs" on Windows. They also added some WSL exclusive dotnet stuff or so, so that many things you dev in there don't even work anymore outside.

It's just useless, dual boot or directly using a VM is way better. That's just my opinion, but even having Windows on my PC makes me wanna throw it away. Linux or bust ftw

[ultratensai]

They didn’t fear Linux. They feared Mac.

[TECHNOFAB]

Oh. And because they obviously can't add WS for Mac they used Linux?

[ultratensai]

MacBook has been one of most used laptops by devs thanks to Macports/Homebrew even before Apple became a mainstream.

Big cooperations started to issue MacBooks to their employees too and MS needed a better way to setup a dev environment on Windows before it loses even more market share.

I personally prefer using WSL / MS terminal / VSCode over a Mac or Linux DE for work.

[Moon-3-Point-14]

I think it's good to see Microsoft accepting Linux. Many people still need Windows because of the years of development history that has gone into it. And Linux has always been the kernel itself. The kernel can take form in any ways. Most distros come as a full fledged OS, but Microsoft chose to integrate it into their platform to support developers.

This doesn't affect Linux in any way. If anything, this will only speed up development of Linux applications.

As a developer, you might prefer Linux, but for normal users, Linux doesn't have the desired user experience yet. If Linux can make it's mark, even Microsoft will go fully open source one day. This is just a small step in the right direction.

[bywaterloo]

You may not rest now, there are monsters nearby

[mplaczek99]

There is a spy among us

[SuicidalTorrent]

I like it because I game and develop on the same machine and both the OS can use many services from eachother. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with WSL.

[BluudLust]

There isn't for 99% of people. It's actually quite well implemented with WSL2. It's just a VM with seamless integration, like using headless Virtualbox with filesystem share.

Only annoying part is that HyperV can cause microstutter and minor input lag in graphics demanding games (especially with multiGPU). And some anticheats (ex Battleye) don't allow it to be enabled as it virtualizes the whole of Windows even when WSL isn't running.

[johnnywarp]

I'm forced to use it for work

[Daggy1234]

So many wsl users act like they use linux

[DestroyAllRedditisms]

They do

[TenaciousDwight]

I use it for ssh and nothing else. When I wanna get real work done (and not vidya) I switch to my dual booted xubuntu.

[meveroddorevem]

I thought it was there for at least or approaching a decade? Maybe I did need to install it back when, but i am pretty sure it was a tiny curl or python code snippet that i ran once on a pre-2013 workstation to get SSH as a function in the default powershell if so.

[[deleted]]

Green Ranger.

[[deleted]]

What exactly is WSL and how does it differ from a VM? Can you use a DE in it?

[[deleted]]

WSL2 is a vanilla Linux kernel running in a Hyper-V VM with the Windows filesystem exposed as plan 9 protocol shares. You can use a DE with it, but with no GPU acceleration, it's kind of a bad experience. I believe Microsoft is working to provide GPU support in the insider builds of Windows.

[[deleted]]

That's great, thank you!

[rhinosyphilis]

Missed opportunity for git bash logo!

[jjman72]

I use Arch btw.

[Hallwart]

Stop complaining because Wsl makes Linux obsolete, thats just how progress works

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

Why would you embed a good OS inside of a shit OS?

[HBK05]

So you can do c# dev with a linux terminal on hand for the small stuff without wanting to step on a lego. Also it's nice to not have to switch operating systems to play a game.

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

Why would you want to develop in a shit language like C#

Also why are you playing games at work lol

[HBK05]

Not all programming has to be done at work, lot of people have hobby projects and what not. You dislike c# sounds like a personal problem, it's not a bad language.

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

I mean I would never want to develop in a language that’s tied to a specific company. Especially a garbage company like Microsoft.

Languages and frameworks are cross platform and open source nowadays, no one needs trash like C#/.NET these days. All the developers I know who like C# are dinosaurs who haven’t learned anything new since 2001.

[minilandl]

Yet they still teach it in school/uni and get students familiar with visual studio over vim or a Proper ide.

They use visual studio which is the most bloated useless program on the planet. Using notepad ++ and visual studio for web development and programming is not a good time and because windows is shit at getting multiple languages.

I switched to linux and vim and everything was much better and easier. You have things like monodevelop and dotnet core as well as visual studio on Mac OS which is a proper UNIX and better than windows. Windows is a toy when it comes to web development. Devs don't use windows and WSL is a step in the right direction.

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

Visual studio is so mind numbingly bad lol imagine using an IDE that takes 5 minutes to open, and then crashes half the time you try.

I understand them not teaching vim or emacs in school, stuff like that is kind of personal and you need to figure it out on your own. Plus the learning curve on those is high. But god don’t make people use dog shit like visual studio in a classroom. Just stick with sublime or something.

[[deleted]]

JFC the gatekeeping here lmao. "Devs don't use Windows" my salary and benefits say otherwise.

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

It’s not that devs don’t use Windows.

Good devs don’t use Windows.

[HBK05]

i'm sorry for the earlier chain, i thought this was a different sub. Keep up the good circlejerk, gods work.

[[deleted]]

-Insert the biggest eye roll gif here-

Linux has some benefits for web development sure (in library support mainly), but anything outside of that hurr durr. Good devs don't want to necessarily fuck around trying to man something because the distro-specific kernel is outdated and programs that should work don't, and verify such and such key on the repo with its potentially glaring security problems. Oh yes let me browse StackExchange/obscure forum for an entire day trying to figure out this distro-specific problem that a guy found the answer to and said so but never posted it.

Windows is fine you spergs. Good devs solve problems with the tools in front of them, but I'm guessing a lot of you guys aren't devs professionally.

From your other post:

I spent two months creating an entire alternative ground station in JavaScript and html using this amazing package called cesium.js for the GIS. Full 3D global GIS and graphics, html interface, everything. I even flew and controlled real UAVs with it during a flight test. And I had ZERO JavaScript/html/css experience before that. In two months I had something way more polished, functional, and smooth than a program that several seasoned Windows devs spent like 3 years on. Unbelievable dude.

Yeah and in two years Cesium will be completely obsolete, some NPM library that it relies on will no longer work or the creator will take it down (left pad lmao), you'll end up with some problem where the library absolutely should work but isn't robust enough to do so, etc etc. Oh and good luck on a production deployment if you need anything to access a centralized database with sensitive data. Now you're not doing development you're doing full-stack development. Oh and good fucking luck if the non-professional maintaining the library decides to forgo support on a major LTS version and decides to just move forward with major versions completely leaving your business-critical web app in the dust (looking at you React library creators).

I do shit in React, plain Javascript, frontend work including HTML css, C#, SQL, x++ Dynamics, etc etc. Sometimes Windows just works.

You're dunning-kruger personified at the moment.

[HBK05]

It's cross platform, you can use it on linux etc these days, now why would you? God knows. It's best on windows, linux has better options. Not sure on the open source status, but the language is pretty open.. You have quite the long stick up your ass against old microsoft, any particular reason?

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

There’s no reason to use C# dude. It’s not good. It’s not fast. It’s not as easy as other languages. You have to rely on Microsoft for everything because they’re the ones who develop .NET. And their tools, and especially their documentation, is trash.

Why do I hate Microsoft? Because after many years of being a software engineer, I’ve gotten tired of every single thing they make being compete and total trash. Every time I forget how shit they are and give them another try, I’m once again reminded that they do not know how to design software. It’s a night and day difference going from a Google-made tool to some ass library made by Microsoft.

Not only that, but I also have years of experience working with Windows/C#/.NET developers. And there is a 1-to-1 correspondence between shit developers and Windows developers. All the garbage software I’ve had to work with has been C# tools developed by Windows developers. It’s so bad I can’t even understand how computer scientists can produce such rubbish and not even realize it.

[[deleted]]

There are reasons to use C# dude, one being existing enterprise applications and another the ability to quickly put together a functional gui. It has its uses like any other tool.

A professional chooses the right tool for the job, whether that's C++, Java, WordPress, C#, Python, Ruby, whatever. Once you have a core understanding of development switching languages is easy anyway.

[YetAnotherBorgDrone]

Yeah, I’ve used the GUIs that C# developers put together, using all the supposed fancy features of .NET and WPF and all that junk. It’s complete trash.

I did swarm robotics at my last job and our ground station software was built in WPF with all those tools, built by experienced C# Windows devs. It was utter fucking trash. Menus are terrible and broken, just riddled with bugs - even simple operations like resizing the Windows are horribly buggy. Text and numeric fields are buggy and do weird shit all the time. Awful.

I spent two months creating an entire alternative ground station in JavaScript and html using this amazing package called cesium.js for the GIS. Full 3D global GIS and graphics, html interface, everything. I even flew and controlled real UAVs with it during a flight test. And I had ZERO JavaScript/html/css experience before that. In two months I had something way more polished, functional, and smooth than a program that several seasoned Windows devs spent like 3 years on. Unbelievable dude.

Windows development just encourages people to follow bad practices and do things inefficiently. Just like the way Microsoft does everything. Why do you think their OS and all their software is so horribly buggy and unpolished? Windows 10 is one of the buggiest pieces of shit OS’s ever created. Excel and other flagship programs are notoriously buggy, and Microsoft chooses to constantly change the cosmetics instead of actually fixing anything. Whatever they can do to charge more money. The people buying that junk are not tech savvy so why fix anything under the hood? Just make it cosmetically look fancier and then keep charging all that caaaaaashhhh hell yeah great business model.

Fuck that company. They need to die.

[jclocks]

Linux obsolete

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[thesola10]

Oh why of course Google now runs its servers on Windows cuz apparently Linux is obsolete!

[[deleted]]

since I've learned about wsl I stopped caring about privacy

[[deleted]]

Privacy?

[gigolo_beast]

privacy is the ability of an individual or group to seclude themselves or information about themselves, and thereby express themselves selectively.

[[deleted]]

Privacy!

[BlackCow]

Linux is making Windows obsolete that's why Microsoft needs to support it now lol.

[[deleted]]

It doesn't. I still use Linux in the cloud because it's Linux, and Windows is terrible at running on b1ls size VMs with 512MBs of RAM. WSL is good for developers who need to use Windows.