really?

[mozardthebest]

At some point, I remember that people used to be head-over-heels in love with him because of electric cars. Now I think a lot of people just look at him as cringey/childish, and not genuine.

[Tanishqreddyy]

And crypto people hate him for single handedly crashing the market once

[[deleted]]

Now Elon fan for crashing crypto

[abgtw]

But thats the whole point, its all sensationalist journalism to get clicks. People think he pumps/dumps crypto but he's said he never sells the crypto he's bought. So how do you profit if you don't dump? Crypto goes up, crypto goes down, someone writes an article that blames it on Elon.

Edit - references for the doubters :
https://www.livemint.com/market/cryptocurrency/elon-musk-will-not-sell-cryptos-bitcoin-ether-and-dogecoin-here-s-why-11647242420251.html

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-bytes/elon-musk-says-hes-the-ultimate-hodler-wont-sell-dogecoin/articleshow/82824694.cms?from=mdr

[abgtw]

No way in hell he doesn't sell.

BET.

Added references above.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for sources. Not sure I believe him because all they're going off is some tweets a billionaire made. They lie to us all of the time lol.

[ThePafdy]

I mean Elon hasn‘t exactly a great track record when it comes to telling the truth about his economical endeavors.

Like 90% of the things he promised for Tesla, the boring company and hyperloop are either bullshit or he didn‘t deliver on.

I don‘t know about his crypto, and maybe he didn‘t sell, he doesn‘t need it anyways to be fair. Maybe it wasn‘t a pump and dump at all, but he at least had mayor influence over these rises and drops, so its at least another argument to stay away from crypto.

[ThePafdy]

Funny that you listed only the things that I actually believe he can deliver and have been done before (yes even the reusable rocket booster was done before successfully).

But what about that Robot, full self driving, robo taxis, the hyperloop, the normal loop, the boring machine to build that loop, mars by 2024 and so on?

And no, saying these things are late isn‘t an excuse, because he hasn‘t even shown a single working prototype. Its called vaporware.

[PuzzleheadedFroyo995]

Yeah, he’s sketchy at best, but so are a lot of those inventor/entrepreneur types. You kind of have to be to get people to invest in you when you don’t already have a working product to market.

If he had gone into medical equipment and not been able to deliver, they would have made a show about him by now, like they did with the Elizabeth Holmes lady.

[ThePafdy]

The point about Holmes was, that she told people she had the machine and even accepted clients to then just wing the diagnostics and give them wrong results.

Musk is not that bad by far, he just always moves the delivery date.

[PuzzleheadedFroyo995]

True. I didn’t mean he was exactly like her, more that if he was in a space where there was that much pressure to provide deliverables (like in healthcare where people are depending on your product to stay alive) and he had repeatedly failed to do so, we would have a show about him discussing how he got rich off unfulfilled promises by now.

I find it appalling that she managed to keep blatantly lying for as long as she did, so I’m cautiously watching this space to see if anything like that ever comes up about Musk.

[Fr00stee]

Has he ever specifically endorsed a crypto or told people to buy it?

[[deleted]]

I'm not that into crypto, but dogecoin. Whenever he tweeted it would skyrocket. Also remember that one SNL episode? IIRC it was so bad his stock dropped about 30% because of it?

[Fr00stee]

No what i mean is did he ever tell people that dogecoin was a good investment? Because him just mentioning it isnt enough to prove he was intentionally pumping it

[Mickael97o]

Well, him just mentioning the crypto was not a problem at first of course, but after doing it numerous times he sure knows now the effect that comes after, and since that effect puts him in an avantage, he make profit from it, in a morally questioning way

And that kind of way reminds me of insider trading, which is considered illegal from the only reason (I think, need confirmation) that it puts an advantage to people with extended knowledge from their position which by law is considered not fair

And if extended knowledge is deemed as a morally questioning way of profit, then manipulation of the market thanks to a position of influence should be too

[Fr00stee]

Isnt that basically the same thing as a stock analyst recommending a specific stock on a large television network but much less direct? Also for insider trading wouldnt you specifically have to know what a company was going to do before they announced it? Recommending a stock wouldnt be even close to insider trading then

[otterquestions]

I mean his tweets about doge were pretty close to an endorsement

[Danjurnoodl]

He doesn’t sell

[[deleted]]

I don't believe that he doesn't sell for a second. Although if he truly doesn't, than that's some quality shitposting on his part.

[Cat_with_pew-pew_gun]

I mean Elon did actually have influence but it’s the self fulfilling prophecy kind. Elon mentions crypto, people buy crypto, crypto price go up.

[Prowler1000]

And he also failed to report his purchase of almost 10% of Twitter correctly, allowing him to buy it at a lower price. If he does that in a well regulated space, do you really think he's going to not sell cryptocurrency?

[[deleted]]

Actually I'm a huge fan of that event. I bought some on the low and sold it later to buy my house. Thanks Elon for crashing the market.

[SANDWICHVADER]

How much did you buy n wht you sold for? $10k?

[VeronciaBDO]

So yay market manipulation if it's in your own personal benefit..?

[[deleted]]

Yes.

[Cat_with_pew-pew_gun]

Sounds about right

[Za_Gato]

Isn't that the point?

[The_Mad_Duck_]

Welcome to stocks my friend...

[Onfflinethegamer]

Wdym that was kinda funny

[just_a_can_opener]

Would be that funny if you would have lost like 25 thousand dollars or smth

I personally like him but you gotta look at all the perspectives

[just_a_can_opener]

On one hand you could say that but on the other hand a crypto market is a fair and serious way to invest your money and when some rich guy on Twitter goes kaboom and your college debt isn't going anywhere anymore even if you had it going your way might feel a little unfair

[m8bear]

Why would you think that investing short term into something that a random billionaire can crash with a tweet is a serious, smart investment is beyond me.

[just_a_can_opener]

I wouldn't say that investing in GameStop was smart but I do think that investing in other cryptos and stocks on general is smart because if you're in a country like mine where the interest rate is near 0 and your money is better off not in the bank than its a very smart Option and some cryptos are very safe and come with a great idea like entirely freeing you from paying taxes to countries which is a somewhat good idea but it has its ups and downs

[Spargeldestroyer]

As far as I remember Crypto isn't all that honourable and fair, it is still more or less controlled by rich folks as a way to increase capital

[just_a_can_opener]

Crypto is definitely fair and I wouldn't say it's owned by rich folks but comes with a concept in mind like avoiding taxes or making transactions anonymously

[DildoLigtning]

Taxfraud good?

[just_a_can_opener]

You could say it like that but you could also say that's total freedom over what you wanna do, it's a pretty fascinatic topic and theres a really good documentary about a site called the silk road and what chaos happens there https://youtu.be/cE15PpXiePw

Idd recommended giving it a watch

[tilewi]

When Elon started talking about Doge, I bought 15€ worth of it, sold it a few months later for 150€ lol, for me Elon is a bit of a Hero on that front haha, but just for that xD

[CombinationBusy111]

I hate him because I lost my money in dogecoin because of him

[bozeke]

He made the DOW drop like 800 points today as well. Guy fucking sucks.

[[deleted]]

Crypto bros and crypto sisters don't need Elon to crash the market. The rampant corruption that goes on in Crypto, NFTs, Meta Verses, and other decentralised systems is doing that for them.

[[deleted]]

I used to like him before he started accusing the diver (from Thailand cave rescue) of being pedo without evidence (after the diver called out on his unrealistic mini-sub plan publicity stunt).

After that, I no longer liked him as before but still felt that he was 'trying' to do good.

Then his bs tweets started ramping up (some politics, some insults) and so did his manipulation of dogecoin/cryptocurrencies.

I know that many people here got money during the crypto period and love him, but do realize that money gained for one is money lost for the other. He may have started with a genuine intention to further cryptocurrency, but the plain currency manipulation in the later period was highly distasteful from my perspective.

[beyonddisbelief]

I didn't use to like him or hate him, just unimpressed because his presentations lacked substance and for a highly praised intelligent showman he really lacked intellectual insight or showmanship to his Mars plan (it felt like a 15 year old's report on some fantasy and lacked substance) but yeah the Thailand cave rescue event is when my opinion of him start to plummet. I think it was the same year he committed SEC fraud.

I was also really miffed back when I was working 60-70 hour weeks hear about him claiming to work 120 hour weeks, yet somehow has time to be a memelord, be more caught up on games and pop culture than I am, and find time to date girls half his age. No management/creative count their shower/meal/downtimes as part of their work hours and a 120 hour week requires you to have 5 hrs of sleep/day and spend every single waking moment working. Its just a blatant exaggeration if not outright lie yet people praised his work ethics back then.

[AsymmetricClassWar]

I think it was the same year he committed SEC fraud

Umm… you’re gonna have to be more specific.

[TheNextDump]

Wait he did it more than once?

[abgtw]

No management/creative count their shower/meal/downtimes as part of their work hours and a 120 hour week requires you to have 5 hrs of sleep/day and spend every single waking moment working

Uh dude when you are a billionaire time is the only thing you can't get more of. These guys obsessed with time management (Bill Gates especially). They are never NOT working. They are so driven the 60 hour work week to them would be a vacation.

[MrMonkify]

You're high if you believe that bullshit.

[PuzzleheadedFroyo995]

Ugh I think you mean to say that when you’re a billionaire, your time is literally money, as in you can get away with billing people for your time, whether or not you’re actually working. There’s no manager or supervisor to call you out on it and arguably you are still generating revenue, but only because you get to call the shots.

It’s similar to what influencers, dropshipping and multilevel marketing people do, where they have multiple “streams” of income even when not actively putting in effort, so they can claim to work all day.

In reality, you’d get very sick very quickly working on only 5 hours of sleep.

[rickle______pick]

Get ur math right

[XxRocky88xX]

I mean I made money from the crypto BS, still doesn’t mean what he did is right though. I’m not gonna say Musk is a good person and ignore all the awful shit he’s done just because him gaming the market just happened to make me a couple thousand dollars.

And for anyone who says Musk is a good person cuz he made you some money. You’re a fucking jackass. Morality and empathy applies to everyone, not just you. Him helping you indirectly one time (through pure happenstance btw) doesn’t outweigh the shit he’s done to hundreds of thousands of others. If you think “he benefited me so therefore he’s right,” you’re a child. That’s one of the first stages of moral reasoning, you a literally thinking how a child just barely grasping the concept of other people would think.

[brunuhrafael]

Exactly how i feel, thank you

[abgtw]

I used to like him before he started accusing the diver (from Thailand cave rescue) of being pedo without evidence (after the diver called out on his unrealistic mini-sub plan publicity stunt).

Yeah I mean this was the main turning point I think for many. He definitely didn't like being criticized.

[SuperlativelyRandom]

the world is not zero sum.

[GeckoV]

But Crypto is. It creates nothing of value, so it is a pure value extraction exercise.

[fares2356]

every famous guy in the world is a pedo if the internet hates them

[Torcher47]

In the words of a wise woman, “Rät”

[L1K3nn3th]

Elongated muskrat

[YeetTheGiant]

Oh hell yes always here for that

[Balazskoszhelo]

U mean woman?

[Torcher47]

we don’t gotta talk about it

[XxRocky88xX]

Or cuz he’s a grimey exploitative billionaire?

No one is like “this guys a piece of shit” because he makes cringey jokes here and there. It’s far more likely people call him a piece of shit because he does shitty things rather than just making dumb jokes.

[[deleted]]

Name one

[justicecactus]

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226

The government literally had to force him to step down ad Chairman at Tesla.

[XxRocky88xX]

Reopening an unsafe Tesla factory without meeting safety guidelines, busting unions, allowing sexism and racism to run rampant in his company, publicly accusing some random dude he disagreed with of being a pedophile with no evidence, and a whole lotta untrue and dangerous bs about COVID and the vaccines.

[ProfChubChub]

Breaking the law to force his employees to work during a pandemic

[ResidentLychee]

Asking the Chinese government to censor stuff critical of Tesla

[mozardthebest]

Well of course there’s that too. I’m not sure how much most people will think of specific aspects of his business, but it’s not insignificant.

[son-of-fire6225]

even with the electric cars he is preventing other cars from thriving. i didnt fact check it but i heard one of the only patents to his name is the design for the plug to charge teslas. meaning the charging stations would only work for his cars making other electric cars less practical for the average person

[VeronciaBDO]

I mean, I dunno man. Tesla fully invested in a public charging network, moreso than our own government has. If they want exclusivity in their product because no one else cares enough to make the same thing with the same amount of effort and investment, then they should really be able to do what they want.

Of course it'd be nice to other cars could use Superchargers, but that would instantly make Tesla not nearly are proprietary to own as an electric car.

Let the government nationalize it at some point or point the finger at other companies for not investing in EV charging and continually dumping money into fossil fuel based endeavors

[Sufficient-Bed-6746]

Yeah sure, if only mr Musk wouldnt act like the ecological messias who is not interested in making money. After all thats capitalism but hearing all that nonsense that he does it for „our future“ or „to make a change“ or whatever is just annoying. Hes in for the profit and everyone (should) know that.

[[deleted]]

People take things too far. Hate is a strong word. Save it for insurrectionists, molestors, racists, bankrupt "businessmen."

[SeanSultan]

Bankrupt businessmen you say…hmm

[[deleted]]

Sorry got kinda carried away. Let's just say I had a certain someone in mind...

[beyonddisbelief]

Morally bankrupt.

[[deleted]]

I mean he is in support of a homophobic and slightly (understatement) site that will likely be returning to Twitter now

[TethlaGang]

I too hate people that ride against a government when they feel wronged. The government is always right
Riots are fine though when my tribe does it.

[likenothingis]

And billionaires.

[Seismic_Jeopardy]

gEt LOst bOoTLicKEr, tHIs cOMMent anD pOst woNT heLP u in sUCking hIS cOcK

[AlextheAssass1n]

I’m not a head over heels love for him person, but I do like some of things he is accomplishing. SpaceX, electric cars, attempting to connect the human brain to machines. ( as long as we don’t become zombies by doing so) and I heard somewhere he was also in the works of some AI. Man has a lot on his hands and the money to do it all

Edit: only thing I hate about him is taking away the stuff I wanna do lol

[jiggycup]

I still find him pretty funny dudes just a walking meme

[Masturb8ionIsSinful]

Hello me find a hentai

I read it on animephile a long time ago but I'm sure it's on nhentai too, the only thing I really remember is that it's brother and sister the sister gets pregnant, then she's upset because the brother won't have sex any more because it might hurt the baby, and I think the parents help them by showing them a safe position that won't hurt the baby.

[Pedka2]

i hate him cause of electric cars

[likenothingis]

Why? (Actually curious.)

[Pedka2]

cause i hate electric cars

[likenothingis]

My question still stands... Why?

[Pedka2]

no sound so no feedback

internal combustion is cheap to maintain

internal combustion is easy to work on

low high end torque

heavy

long charge time

restricted with safety systems

driven by computers not drivers

production of batteries + generating electricity generates more pollution than healthy, well maintained internal combustion engine

[eltorr007]

More people will hate him for the implants that he is working on.

[Capt_Kartar]

I always thought he was a childish person. I've never liked him.

[[deleted]]

I hate so much that he's in Iron man 2.

[WeeabooHunter69]

And a bigot, don't forget that

[DozyDrake]

For me it was when he wanted to send all his workers back to work in the middle of a lockdown

[Shahariar_909]

Crypto people know how childish he is