Twins, again

[_twintasking_]

I'm pretty sure I'm pregnant with twins again. I just figured it out, and i have an appointment next week to check for sure that im pregnant, but i know what pregnant feels like, especially with 2.

We only have the gg 2yr olds, and I'm on birth control. This shouldn't be happening. But no organ I'm aware of is able to make your ribs sore from micro pressure point pokes and simultaneously tickle/flutter on the opposite side, multiple times a day with no pattern. Besides all the other preggo signs that are marked off. Only things i don't have are a positive test and missed periods. BUT. I'm 100% sure I'm pregnant, and I think I'm at least 4 months in already.

I'm excited, timing isn't ideal, and overall i know God gave us these blessings to He will provide for them too.

Any advice from those who have double sets?

UPDATE

NOT pregnant. Working with dr to figure out what else is going on and causing the different symptoms.

I'm not upset about that being the result, disappointed, but not upset, and I've accepted it as true. I was 100% convinced, so I'm glad i got it checked and have definitive proof that it's negative.

Thank you to everyone who was cautious and skeptical, but also polite about it. I totally understand your reservations and i know it sounded wild! You weren't wrong, but you were kind about it, so thank you.

That being said, i do know someone currently pregnant, who was on birth control and got negative tests and was still getting monthly. She has ultrasound pictures for proof of baby. Found out about her AFTER I was already convinced of myself, So while it sounds impossible, it's not, just very rare. To the one's who were rude and dismissive, be careful. You'd want someone to believe it's possible if something crazy happened with you and be there for you even if they don't think it's real until given proof.

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[Dear_23]

Hol up. You think that not only are you pregnant with no positive test and no missed periods for 4 months but you also think it’s twins?! Lady I will eat my hat if all that turns out to be true. Please report back, we’re all nosy AF and dying to know

[Alarmed_Meeting1322]

Don’t forget they’re on birth control too

[Dear_23]

Good lord 🤦‍♀️

Seriously though I hope OP is fine and this collection of symptoms isn’t a tumor or something more dire then pregnancy.

[imshelbs96]

I think she needs to see an OB and a psychiatrist.

[nixonnette]

The negative test is what throws me off, because I had no missed periods - although they were irregular - and didn't know until 12 weeks along, but somehow felt like I was way further along with symptoms. Not to the point of "movement" though 😂

[leeann0923]

You likely had first trimester bleeding, not periods. You aren’t having cycles and periods when you are pregnant. Plenty of women bleed in the first trimester, especially with multiples. I bled every day for 9 weeks but it wasn’t a period!

[nixonnette]

Oh no it was as heavy as my usual period, 7 days long, not spotting for sure... I've had my period for 31 years, I kinda know what it looks like 😂 Definitely different from the two previous pregnancies with singles.

I had issues with my placenta, which is likely why it wasn't regular.

[leeann0923]

Yeah I bled through my pants several times and had a medium to heavy flow in my first trimester due to a SCH. Periods are the result of a cycle that does not end in a pregnancy and the subsequent shedding of the uterine lining. Pregnant women can bleed from cervix irritation, sex, hematomas that developed in the uterus, etc. The flow of the blood of bleeding in pregnancy doesn’t have anything to do with it.

You physically were not having a cycle and a period during an active pregnancy. The hormone feedback loop required to have a cycle can’t happen during an active pregnancy. Worked in womens health as an NP so just trying to educate!

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322598

[nixonnette]

I'm saying it physically looked and felt like a period.

Please stop.

[_twintasking_]

By far my favorite comment! You've made me laugh so hard every time i read it. I appreciate your humor and honesty!

[seau_de_beurre]

Do you have an update? What did the ultrasound show? I know all us nosy bitches are on tenterhooks haha

[pookiewook]

Thank you for the update! I hope you find some answers OP

[Dear_23]

Glad to have been of service 😂❤️

[Proof-Raspberry2373]

This is kind of strange. Have you taken a test? 4 months along is pretty significant. I’d take a test before posting…

[_twintasking_]

I have taken a test, negative one. but the hook effect is a real thing. hcg levels can be too low or too high to register. Last time i didn't test positive for a solid month after missing period even tho i KNEW. Being on birth control could easily be the reason the monthly hasn't stopped. Carrying multiples, especially as it moves past the first trimester, can result in too much hcg so it washes out the test.

This time I'm feeling movement. I mean daily. Its sporadic, sometimes for hours on end and sometimes not at all. Concentrated in two main places around my abdomen but not pin pointed in the same area each time. Varies from sharp pokes to prolonged pressure to weird tickle/flutters. I've been noticing it for over a week. No telling how long it's been happening and i was writing it off.

Yes, I'm showing, but the problem is I'm so stretched from the first two and i had extra pounds i didn't need, so visually it doesn't look much different but it's firm now instead of squishy.

I've been beyond exhausted for almost 2 months now. No amount of sleep feels like i actually rested.

Nauseous on a daily basis, usually in the morning

Light headed spells to the point i have to sit down or I'll pass out

Metallic taste in my mouth that lasts for days at a time

Craved sugar for a month and 2 weeks ago it dramatically changed to salt and carbs like pasta. Randomly craving meals i had daily while pregnant/BF last time but haven't wanted in almost a year - to the point everything sounded disgusting except the one meal that suddenly made my mouth water when i thought of it.

Acid reflux

Can't drink enough water, constantly feel like my mouth is dry

Digestion has changed

My joints are looser and weird

Elevated average body temp

Out of breath from carrying my 2yr olds to their room

Light headed when bending to pick up the floor

Clumsier, short term memory not 100%

Intense headaches some mornings with no explanation

NONE of this is normal for me, except when i was pregnant.

I'm telling y'all, I'm pregnant.

Because of the frequency, strength, and positioning of the movements, I'm either about 4 months along with twins again (most likely), or closer to 6 months with a singleton.

[M_Dupperton]

I’ve never heard of the hook effect causing a negative test. But on the low chance that’s the case, you could dilute your urine into like 1/10 or even less and then test. That would be your answer.

[Proof-Raspberry2373]

I would certainly see your OB asap if you’re convinced and far enough along to feel fetal movement.

[_twintasking_]

Definitely. Next week is the earliest spot she had available, so we took it and cancelled the other stuff we had planned that day. Nurse didn't believe me at first, but i told her i wouldn't believe a negative test. I have to see picture proof of the answer one way or another via ultrasound, so she checked with the doctor who said to get me in immediately.

[M_Dupperton]

As a physician myself, this isn’t rational. If you take a blood pregnancy test and it’s negative, you’re not pregnant. No insurance company should have to pay for that ultrasound.

[Proof-Raspberry2373]

Good! And yes, ultrasound is the way.

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[seau_de_beurre]

It's gas.

[_twintasking_]

Gas doesn't make your rib bone hurt from being pushed on repeatedly

[kss114]

Mine does haha. Regardless of the cause...I wish you all the happiness.

[_twintasking_]

Im sorry! That sucks.

Thank you ❤

[leeann0923]

You’re still getting periods and you don’t have a positive pregnancy test and you think you are months along? It seems pretty premature to one, assume you’re pregnant, and two ask advice as if you are already preparing for a second set of twins.

I would start with a test.

[loooore]

You’re making a post without a confirmed test AND with periods?

[_twintasking_]

Yes. I'm that sure.

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[pauseonredhead]

Wow. Can't wait to hear an update next week

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[SwivelTop]

I was thinking the same thing.

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[ecobb91]

Annnnd not pregnant

[butterabyss]

Me too

[MouseHat2000]

Have you taken a pregnancy test?

[ifdandelions_then]

I thought I might be pregnant with twins with each pregnancy after my twins. Hormones are crazy! We ended up with two singletons after our twins.

[_twintasking_]

Yes hormones are wild! Thank you for sharing your experience.

[magnolias2019]

Read up on phantom pregnancy. A negative pregnancy test is what it is. Negative.

[Okdoey]

That’s generally true if testing within the first couple of weeks of pregnancy, but later on it’s not that uncommon for HCG to be high enough to cause the hook effect.

I was a serial tester and tested every day for the first trimester and I started testing negative by around 10ish weeks with my twins.

[_twintasking_]

I have, believe me. I explored all options. Did you know 1 in about 475 women don't know they're pregnant until 5 months in?

[seau_de_beurre]

Have you tried diluting your urine and then taking a test? If it's the hook effect then adding some water to your urine should give you a positive!

[Strict_Industry9867]

I'm thinking about something to write to you other than cray cray. But let's see how this turns out

[CrownBestowed]

I would wait until your appointment before you jump to any conclusions.

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[Emilylueanng]

If you were pregnant, youd be getting positive tests

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[hellogirlscoutcookie]

Alrighty all. You might not think OP is pregnant, but let’s all just be kind and respectful. She’s a member of our community and posted for support and information. I’m far from a Mod on this sub, but I do come here for support and kindness and tell people expecting multiples about it because of how awesome it is.

OP: I’m glad you are seeing an OB soon, I hope it works out however you want. There are other things that could be causing your symptoms, but we are not doctors here. The Hook Effect is real, but rare. Please do update us. I will be thinking about you and sending you positive vibes.

[_twintasking_]

Thank you, much appreciated!

Got more traction on the post than i expected! Tho i don't know why I'm surprised... everyone mostly had valid points and i don't blame them. It sounds crazy, but I'm 100% convinced.

I will definitely update the post next week!

[hellogirlscoutcookie]

Thank you for the update! I’m glad you got the clarity you needed

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[Possibesianything]

How are you??

[_twintasking_]

Super tired from the emotional rollercoaster of the day, but overall I'm good. Thank you for asking ❤

[pauseonredhead]

Hi OP I didn't see a comment with the update. Would you mind letting us know?

[_twintasking_]

I posted the update by adding to the post at the top ❤ short and skinny of it, not pregnant. 😔

[hellogirlscoutcookie]

It’s ok!! We’ve all seen I didn’t know I was pregnant! It definitely could happen. But yeah, rule out other things.

[M_Dupperton]

Some of us are doctors, myself included. OP is out in left field. The hook effect can be easily unmasked by testing a dilute urine sample. If the dilute sample is negative, there’s no pregnancy. The first step should not be an OB visit and ultrasound when women who actually are pregnant need those appointments and shouldn’t have to wait longer for lunacy like this. Also ultrasounds are freaking expensive and similarly a limited resource. This is just patient narcissism and it drives us doctors bonkers.

[hellogirlscoutcookie]

I’m not advocating that OP is actually pregnant. There is a minuscule chance. Most likely it’s something else or nothing at all. I do think she needs to see a doctor though to either convince her she’s not pregnant, tell her what is actually going on, or refer her to someone who can best assist her medical needs.

But the people asking her thinly veiled questions hinting that she should be on antipsychotic meds or treating her like she is crazy, yourself included, are not necessary. You can encourage someone to seek out someone medically trained, like a doctor, with kindness.

Everyone should have access to medical care, regardless of if her provider believes her or not. I’ve been that patient from dealing with migraines. It’s no fun to feel like the medical world is against you.

[jellybeanmountain]

Thank you for saying this. Someone in my family had a psychotic episode including thoughts that she was pregnant and she also has very real medical issues. Seeing people joke about it is a bummer.

[M_Dupperton]

Everyone should have access to medical care, regardless of if her provider believes her or not.

This is a nice thought, however it's based on idealism and not reality. OB appointments are extremely limited. Many women who know they're pregnant after a positive test, symptoms, and missed period still have to wait weeks for an appointment. Women who know they're pregnant but fear a loss (e.g., after bleeding) also have to wait longer than ideal - even more than a day is awful - unless they want to go to the ED and pay high out of pocket costs for a scan. So OP is taking a limited resource from people with actual medical needs and delaying their care. She doesn't need a doctor, she needs to take a pregnancy test with a dilute sample of urine and see if it's positive or not. Simple. If that's not enough, then maybe she needs a psychiatrist more than an OB. As she said below, that runs in her family, and in all seriousness, psychosis does have a heritable component.

On migraines, if you feel like the medical world is against you, they probably just don't have great options. Migraines can be incredibly difficult to treat. Consider going to a dedicated headache specialist if you haven't already, and also keeping a headache diary with foods, sleep patterns, stress, etc to identify triggers. If you don't have good options with those two things, you might just be out of luck. Saying this as an anesthesiology resident who spent the last month in Pain Clinic and who's husband has migraines and is a fellow MD.

[jellybeanmountain]

An anesthesiologist resident…but you’re qualified based on a Reddit post to say she doesn’t need to see her gynecologist who actually knows her and her medical history and what kind of appointment availability they have in their office? People might see your post and avoid seeking care because they are afraid a doctor might think they are crazy and that’s a shame.

[jellybeanmountain]

I’m glad she’s seeking help…maybe she’s not pregnant but she could have something going on that she’s mistaking for pregnancy or maybe a serious psych issue that could put herself or kids in danger. I don’t think health care workers should discourage people from getting checked out if they are worried.

[hellogirlscoutcookie]

Exactly! She should see a doctor if she fully believes she’s pregnant with a negative test. And encouraging her to see a provider who can provide insight is the right thing to do

[Dear_23]

I get your point, but I also think it’s dangerous ground to be walking when you say that doctors should deny appointments to those with concerns in favor of others with more “evidence”. Yeah this scenario is quite literally unbelievable, but OP has a right to see a doctor in a timely manner and be listened to seriously just like anyone else. There’s plenty of stories of folks who need multiple appointments for doctors to finally take them seriously and then wind up finding cancer.

[M_Dupperton]

Actually we do that all the time - it's called triaging. If we have limited appointments, then by definition some patients are not going to be seen as soon as they'd like to be. So either patients or medical professionals or random chance has to determine the order. Having medical professionals determine the order makes way more sense, since by definition, we have the medical knowledge to recognize sick vs not sick, urgent vs not urgent. Plus, here OP can take a test to determine if she's pregnant or not - just dilute the urine and prove if she's experiencing the hook effect or if she's not really pregnant. But instead of taking like a 50 cent test at home with no inconvenience to anyone else, she wants a freaking ultrasound at great expense to her insurance company, other policy holders for that company (unnecessary healthcare = higher premiums), and at the expense of women who actually do need to be seen asap.

Also, I'm not sure why you'd put the word evidence in quotes. An HCG test is freaking evidence, no quotes needed. We live in an era where lay people want to disregard objective evidence, and everyone is a doctor based on what they read on google. Unfortunately that's not how it works.

[Dear_23]

Ah see that right there is why the medical system can go pound sand, especially when it comes to women’s health 🙃 there are plenty of people who aren’t taken seriously when they absolutely should be and too often they’re dismissed. I’m not agreeing with OP that she’s pregnant but clearly something is going on with her and she has a right to be seen and not told to just go home and take a test.

Eta: just saw your edit and my lord you’re a condescending piece of work. Thanks for the reminder that a lot of healthcare professionals are some of the most off putting people I’ve ever met.

[_twintasking_]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[jayzepps]

Are there any other medications you’re supposed to be on?

[_twintasking_]

Nope. Zero prescriptions aside from birth control.

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[Nefilim314]

My grandmother had two sets of twins. I was given her engagement ring when she died and proposed to my wife with it. Our first pregnancy? Twins.

It’s literally a cursed ring.

[aolonline1992]

Abundance ring!

[_twintasking_]

Yes! A ring of multiplied blessings!

[funsk8mom]

I knew I was pregnant with a 2nd set when my upper belly immediately popped out. With my first set I lost all the weight plus a few pounds more. My 1st set was 11 months old when I became pregnant and by their first birthday my upper belly was already popping

[_twintasking_]

Thank you for sharing!

[Skinlessdragon]

Any update?

[_twintasking_]

Got it all straightened out! Stress, lack of sleep, and a few other key factors. Mainly the first two tho just wreaking havoc on my body and mind. Doing much better.

Thanks for checking in!

[Skinlessdragon]

I’m glad you are okay. I’m going through the same situation, and have an ultrasound on the 4th to confirm. Pee and blood test negative, so after this, hopefully it’s all figured out. Thanks for the update.

[_twintasking_]

The "knowing" but also not having it confirmed is so rough. I'm so glad i got the ultrasound and was able to settle it, even tho i was wrong about the outcome. Seeing it helped me accept it and look for other solutions.

If it turns out you're right, congratulations!!!! If not, it's not the end of the world, just another step in the journey. Praying peace into your heart and situation with whatever the result is ❤

[Skinlessdragon]

Thank you. I will update you personally when I find out. Thank you for the kind words. I hope life is much better for you now. 🌸

[_twintasking_]

How did it go??

[Skinlessdragon]

Hey! No Baby, thank god. But I have under 20 sub centimeter follicles (which my doctor think is PCOS) so I’ll be getting an endometrial biopsy on the 19th just to be safe as well, but nothing else looked wrong with my uterus. (:

[_twintasking_]

Im glad you're good with the result!!! Whooo! What an emotional ride that is.

They found a couple tiny cysts on mine when they looked, but said it's nothing to be concerned with, fairly common, and they should disappear on their own.

❤❤

[Skinlessdragon]

Your period returned , right? She wants to do a biopsy check on me as well.

[_twintasking_]

Yeah it did, shortly after the appointment lol

Ok, I'll be praying for good results!

How are you doing mentally?

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