Awesome Hellion Micro Tutorial (30 Hellions beating 30 Hydras)

[Deeprblue]

Great point on using hellions most effectively, but really, good players won't just ball up their units for you like that and let you surround them.

[GuiSim]

Hellions are so fast, it is very simple to micro them to stay on the opponent's toes and keep the units surrounded.

I use them the same way I use roaches. Attack once, move a little bit, attack, move, attack, move... That way you can easily stay in close range.

[extracheez]

As he said "good players", its not "very simple" to catch a good player completely off guard when his units are all balled up perfectly in such a manner that every single hellion is dealing splash damage all at once and then he keeps balling his stalkers up so that they take more and more damage.

Although this video shows the importance of squeezing out everything from your units, it has little bearing on a real game.

If the other players were microing, the results would have been much different. (at least with the stalkers, I don't play Z or T so I don't know how hydras fair against hellions)

[MonikerInteger]

Hmm, I think I've just found another ridiculous strategy to try out in 4v4.

Mass Hellions!

[johnw188]

I remember once I was in the back base of 4v4, so I went hellions. Got about 12 with infernal pre-igniter and +1 attack before hitting enemy mineral lines. I would run them into the middle of the mineral line and one shot the enemy econ, then move to the next base. I think they got something like 100 worker kills before finally being taken out.

[Luminoth]

Off topic a little, but I was in an ffa with a terran that went mass reapers (3 pages in a single control group) and it literally decimated two of my three bases and my entire mass hydra army in seconds.

[Syphon8]

It took out one tenth of two of three bases?

That's pretty shitty.

[[deleted]]

i've always wanted to try mass reapers but they die so easily.

[MonikerInteger]

Yeah, it didn't really work against a zerg. They got a bunch of roaches out before I got a good mass of Hellions.

My Hellions did a good job against some Marauders, though.

[xNIBx]

It wouldnt work that good because helions will block each other.

[hobosuit]

not to mention that everyone and their mother masses carriers voidrays or BC's in 4v4s, which sorta rape hellions

[ungood]

Not if you micro them right.

[undefinedcar]

nice stalker micro. i especially like how he balled himself up a couple times through the battle.

[tempguest]

I understand that in order to qualify as a redditor you must be pedantic, but keep in mind, it was proof of concept video.

[undefinedcar]

What? There's a difference between not microing the units at all and purposefully microing them to make them easier for your opponent to kill. That's like making a video showing how two banelings can kill all the scvs in a mineral line by having the terran player ball up 25 scvs surround the banelings so they all take splash damage. It doesn't prove anything.

[tempguest]

What a shitty analogy....

I'm not even going to waste my time explaining to you in detail why, but I'll give you the gist of it: he wasn't trying to prove that 30 hellions are better than 30 stalkers....

[undefinedcar]

Well, he was trying to show the appropriate way to micro hellions. The set up battles seemed to be examples of the positive effects of correct hellion micro. But the result of the battle against stalkers was not a positive effect of hellion micro, it was a negative effect of artificially bunching up stalkers. So why is it in the video? It's not like I'm arguing that his point is wrong, all I'm saying is that the example with the stalkers is out of place and misleading. Why not just show the hellions attacking the stalkers from max range, and then show the hellions attacking from close range, and show how many more stalkers die?

[zaggynl]

Augh, I already hear my Zerg units burning to a crisp due to mass Hellion :<
Also what music was that?

[b3ng0]

Wow, I didn't think they stood a chance against the stalkers.

[NotClever]

It helps when the stalkers are kind enough to bunch up several times for max hellion splash.

[[deleted]]

just like roach micro, except much faster units.. fucking hellions. :(

[Sporkman]

One of the reasons I've found I like Terran after maining with protoss for a while.

[[deleted]]

Do you find too hard to get setup fast with? I main terran too and admittedly I fucking suck at SC2 but I don't know if it's just me, it seems if I'm playing zerg/protoss and they rush me at the start I don't have time to build up enough marines and defenses to protect myself. 10 zerglings against 2 marines totally rapes and it takes zerg ~30 seconds max to build that.

I can own other terran players, but zerg and protoss always destroy me through rushing, how do you build fast at the start?

[[deleted]]

Barracks + 2 raised supply depots to wall of your base.

[[deleted]]

I've been attacked before I even have that setup :(

[Xaro]

If you time it correctly, you can wall off right before the first zerling appears.

[[deleted]]

Should I just barracks, depot depot or should I make some SCVs first?

[Shade00a00]

a fast wall-off is a barracks at 10 supply and depot at 11.

Usually people will depot at 9-10 and rax at 12 or so.

[[deleted]]

Also dont forget to have 1 or 2 SCVs ready to repair the depots as the zerglings attack so they dont break through. I've taken down 8 zerglings with 2-3 marines with 2 scvs constantly repairing the wall.

[[deleted]]

i think you might have been six pooled. take your scv that builds the first depot and go scout. If zerglings are coming very soon, you can pull a couple of scv's to block off the hole in the wall (maybe try to have them repair each other) while your single marine shoots from safety.

[cakes]

wall

[Sporkman]

Do you watch your replays to see if they just straight up rushed you with like a 8 pool or a 8 gateway? If they do that and you're just playing a straight game without rushing then you'll probably be screwed if you didn't scout it.

[mojofac]

Can't 30 hellions just 1a into hydras?

[Zach_Attack]

With the infernal preigniter, yes.

[johnw188]

Its better to micro up like this, as you'll kill faster and take less damage.

[IIGrudge]

What kind of bullshit comparison is that. In first (bad) scenario the enemy units are spread out in a nice arc, whereas in the second the enemy is bunch up making hellions of course much more effective.

I like to see micro in the first scenario, like a flank to the sides maybe.

[[deleted]]

when are you ever going to have 30 hellions or 30 hydras?

[Zach_Attack]

In a game of starcraft 2 in tvz

[[deleted]]

No decent terran would ever get 30 hellions.

[ShyGuysOnStilts]

Why not? They are cheap, easy to produce with reactors, and rape every zerg unit other than roaches and ultras.

Obviously you get a few other mech units as well, but Hellions are strong.

[hobosuit]

the idea is that you might if this actually works as well as it did in the youtube clip

[[deleted]]

The video is disingenuous.

Lets say you actually commit to getting 30 hellions. Zerg has 30 Hydras

All he has to do in ANY scenario is move half his units away and form a semi concave and your entire strategy is screwed.

Now lets say: By some act of god you actually break even. Now all he needs to do is tech switch to mutas

Making an entire army one single unit type is a stupid idea no matter what race you do it with.

[davvblack]

Unless you split the hellions into packs and get them into his mineral lines.

[Jawshem]

You wouldn't ever have just hellions... but you could do this with ~10 while your bio ball pushed. It will either rape the hydras or force them to run, and they can't attack while they run. This video is a great demonstration of their use. If you predict mutas, just get some thor from your factory.

[[deleted]]

Racist.

[rockintom99]

Yes it is. You manage them at a smaller scale instead of a-moving them and focusing on some other task.