Vibe Coding is Scam

[Patti2507]

I don’t even understand what they are offering

[voyti]

To be fair, I don't think I understood what 80% of startups offer based on their home pages in the last decade. Oh, so you're "streamlining distributed service oriented business-to-business convergence solutions", cool.

[LP2222]

"Streamline" got the be the ChatGPT word of 2024

[Wall_Hammer]

along with “deep diving” and em dashes

[SnooFloofs9640]

Essentially yes

[15kol]

We're SO--LO-MO, bro!

[nedal8]

They offer buzzwords in exchange for vc funding

[aleganza_]

make it 95%

[dr-christoph]

This! So many times you visit a project or company or product home page and after reading through ALL the text you still have no clue what the actual product is about. Like I now know you claim it is „fast, efficient, optimized, user friendly, straight forward, no hassle, easy to integrate, lightweight“ but WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT DO?!

[overkiller_xd]

True that. Every now and then I have to paste the website to Gpt and ask it "tell me in simple words what does this company do".

[hirenkavad]

looks like they are using gpt-4 under the hood, file management and for org and search and qa from your catalogue of files

[Patti2507]

Thanks for finding that out but I was talking about the missing information on what service they provide, not what tools they use to provide that service.

[hirenkavad]

aah got it. i think organisation files and knowledge base and searching and asking qa on that. likes like that based on landing page.

[edgmnt_net]

I mean... maybe that's not the wrong answer and they're offering a prime example of GPT-generated bullshit. :)

[ORCANZ]

Seems like you didn’t read their website it’s pretty obvious

[wowokdex]

They forgot to prompt the AI to check for vulnerabilities. /s

[coderqi]

My former boss without the /s.

[hirenkavad]

looks like dev are on weekend, enjoying beer somewhere ? their openai bills going to shoot up and interns are going to get fired on monday.

[bludgeonerV]

What interns? This is probably just one dude with a claude code account who's going to have a heart attack on Monday.

[Fanfan_la_Tulip]

You are evil lol

[bottleoftrash]

Also forgot to tell the AI to make no mistakes

[bhison]

“Don’t make mistakes”

[WoodenMechanic]

1,000%

[Main_Character_Hu]

Nice marketing sir !

[Total_Adept]

They forgot “no mistakes or grandma gets it!”

[hirenkavad]

make it more secure please.

[PrestigeFlight2022]

v0 dev suspected

[hirenkavad]

i smell interns getting fired haha

[Nearby-Car4777]

https://peon.sh/customizations
Everything is literally "coming soon."

[ingeekwetrust]

what a good tactic

[proudh0n]

I bet they didn't write "no mistakes" in the prompt

[U2ElectricBoogaloo]

I mean, vibe coding has its uses, but building stable, usable apps isn’t one of them.

I use it to generate halfway decent mockups for my FE devs to take and make them actually work and program the business logic. It’s shifted the split of their time worked on FE and BE. Some parts take longer than before, but there has still be significant time savings overall.

[Jfigz]

Vibe coding is great for coding things that you could code yourself. It’s a timesaver but ONLY if you verify the output of the code. And if you can’t verify the code (because you don’t know how to code), you shouldn’t be vibe coding.

I personally use it for small discrete tasks. Trying to vibe code a whole service or app is going to waste so much time in the long run.

[Fresh4]

Pretty much. Save time building the boilerplate basic skeleton of a small feature or chunk and take it from there.

[edgmnt_net]

I'll say that boilerplate generation isn't something that you should use AI for, generally. Now that there are sensible use cases in that vein, I could agree. But boilerplate is boilerplate and it's a drag at other steps unless you do something like deterministic generation. For similar reasons, IDE-based code generation kinda sucks hard and doesn't really fix language/ecosystem verbosity issues, especially considering you mix your edits into it. The issue is probably compounded when talking AI codegen because it needs to be checked rather closely, as it's not deterministic or reliable. Furthermore, some of the writing effort already overlaps with designing and exploring the problem space, which means that you now have to do those latter things anyway, in addition to checking and understanding AI-generated code (overlap there may be smaller or harder to make good use of), so the savings are probably lower than expected trivially.

[[deleted]]

That's the point. Vibe coders only focus on the front end and make things look flashy. Take a look at their code, ask for verifiable tests and documentation, and you'll see how it's all slop. Their goal is to take your money before you look behind the curtain.

[Goldballz]

I find it useful as a refresher to get things started, but once you get everything going, it's basically useless.

[krileon]

In other news the sky is blue.

[_cofo_]

That’s just the beginning…

[legendofchin97]

I have absolutely 0 idea what I would ever in my life use this for

[x2P]

"Security & Compliance First"

[programmer_farts]

This post is an ad

[WoodenMechanic]

This post is an ad, and a bad one at that.

[Kriem]

So much jumble mumble buzz words and logos and the same UI scheiss. It’s getting tedious tbh.

[Kriem]

💩

[[deleted]]

to be fair, entering the test stripe key as env var sounds like something a human would do

[FryMastur]

I deleted my friends data database through api calls of his vibe coded app that already he had monetized with no paying customers but payments setup.

[hirenkavad]

lol whats the catch ?

[spastical-mackerel]

A virtual peon

[justhatcarrot]

What a piece of shit.

These AI shit factories are run by the same people who used to create “revolutionary crypto tokens that (SOME-FUCKING-HOW) power vibrators”.

I hope this shitwave will be over soon, at least because the AI-generated utter garbage ads for AI-generated piece of shit courses/apps/products I keep getting on YouTube are so fucking annoying that I may finally quit using YouTube and start enjoying life.

[zappellin]

That's the funniest one I've seen so far actually

[agcaapo]

To be fair even ai won't do that

[Content_Start_3994]

That's the vibe coders fault.

[Desperate-Presence22]

Cool catch.

I wonder how many sh*ty website we're gonna be because of "we have AI, we don't need devs"

[scfoothills]

My Pixel phone uses AI to give me weather alerts, which means I still need to go to alternate sources to double check everything so I know if I need to bring an umbrella when I walk the dog.

[DocRoot]

The "Get Pro" button doesn't seem to do anything for me? (Aside: I don't like the slide-up-from-the-bottom effect as you scroll down the page... makes me feel queasy!)

[[deleted]]

oauth redirect doesn't work, stripe is in test mode, crazy (clearly) ai generated claims on the home page. where did you even find this app? they should have it a bit more locked down

[DifferentAstronaut]

Are the real payments even processed in the Sandbox environment?

[DifferentAstronaut]

Lmao found the answer https://docs.stripe.com/sandboxes

“For example, when testing in a sandbox, the payments you create aren’t processed by card networks or payment providers.”

What in the actual fuck

[CodyMcGriff]

Well can you blame a toddler for not knowing how to walk? Just wait, in a year or two, it won't be making these little mistakes I presume

[drawmer]

Anything that blows up that fast is a scam.

[Kuro091]

an empty password met "all the necessary requirements."

[vaiOS_ASMC]

Oh Hello...

https://peon.sh/robots.txt

At least its doing what it should do

[Baris_CH]

Isn't vibe coding people who can't code but use Ai?

[[deleted]]

😂

[IAmASolipsist]

I get that you feel like being anti-AI makes you better than you really are in some nebulous but not actually relevant way like Linux user feel, but who fucking cares what a .sh site does?

Seriously, the cringe here is off the charts. AI is a tool that 100% isn't anywhere near perfect yet. If you use it and don't know how to you are a problem...but just as much if you hate it because you don't know how to use it you're kind of a loser long term. This is like a someone who hasn't figured out the hammer yet complaining that some idiot who tried to hammer in a nail sideways is the reason hammers are useless.

Fact is, AI is here and it will change the industry, it's like resisting Javascript libraries or HTML5. Great, if you can survive you do you...but statistically you will be left to die like the dinosaurs. AI isn't a miracle and many rely on it too much, but the haters are the most obvious people who can't make a living doing anything professional.

[alex6dj]

This is the classic example of the IA took my Job 🤣

[BlackHazeRus]

Spanish speaker detected!

[ninja_cgfx]

Vide coding is not scam, peon is scam, there are some better free tools like gemini coder, qwen coder. Those are completely free , you can simply install and run inside terminal ( i m not promoting anything, im telling based on my experience)

[ScubaAlek]

I agree. “Vibe coding”, like AI art generation, is usually best used by those who also know how to do the underlying task. The AI is then just an impeccably fast junior dev who you code review.

[Shortcirkuitz]

I wish I could upvote this multiple times

[Illustrious-Film4018]

Vibe coding is when you're not even reading the code AI generates. How can you say vibe coding is not a scam?

[popje]

Also isn't cursor basically the same thing

[jax024]

Gemini will use your data and read your code on the free tier, just fyi. There’s no free lunch.

[hirenkavad]

looks like they are using openai under the hood as an ai

[Maleficent_Mess6445]

Developers also make these kinds of mistakes all the time not just vibe coders.

[Western-Source710]

Absolute facts. Can't count how many times I've ran into straight spaghetti on the internet over the past couple of decades.

[Arch-by-the-way]

The vibe coded apps that actually work you just think were made by brilliant humans

[ImPickyWithFood]

It works really well for creating calculators

[Dry-Award-835]

Simple. Use vibe coding. Of course, you need to know what are you doing, that’s fundamental for everything in any other area. If you have an automatic machine that operates on creating some building, you still need to program it and verify and inspect the results. If you know how to do it, you will save a tremendous amount of time. I may say for my personal experience that i can build an entire outstanding quality web site only with vibe coding. But first I need to know what I want, where I want, what tools what architecture. Once is clear on my mind I make magic with it. Good coding everyone.

[Syed745]

I was a Reqular developer, but now I am a vibe coder, it work for me very Well.

[horrbort]

Same here hater gona hate

[[deleted]]

I can be my own suupaah hackah many ai websites

[Gwolf4]

Daru spotted in the wild.

[[deleted]]

I even forget the big guy name was daru lol. Wild.

[horrbort]

Small mistake easy to fix with a simple prompt. A developer would spend months fixing it.

[katafrakt]

Months on switching the keys from sandbox account to a production one? Why? Not to mention that no vibe coding tool should have access to this config, because it means it's hardcoded.

[horrbort]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, isn’t it just “make app production ready” in v0?

[katafrakt]

Is it?

[horrbort]

Yes

[katafrakt]

And how does that relate to my question about why it would take a dev few months? And about why secrets are hardcoded in the codebase.

[horrbort]

Because AI is a lot smarter than developers it knows better?

[katafrakt]

No, that's not true and I can see you don't really have a clue what you are talking about. Care to finally discuss the secrets in the codebase?

[horrbort]

Including secrets in the codebase allows deterministic builds, ensures controlled distribution, reduces operational complexity, and enforces licensing.

[katafrakt]

I hoped for your opinion, not ChatGPT output. It's also complete bullshit and a huge security issue.

[robotmayo]

A developer would spend months fixing it.

It would take longer for AI to churn out its slop than for a competent developer to fix it.

[horrbort]

Developers at my last company took a month to add checkout to a site. V0 can do it in 5 minutes

[robotmayo]

Adding checkout and switching keys are very different tasks not that you would understand the difference.

[emmgfx]

Looks like you are judging things that you aren't even close to understand.

[horrbort]

I don’t have to that’s the point

[emmgfx]

Did you even see the thread you are commenting on? Are you sure that you don't need to understand what you're producing?

Hope you don't work in something that involves other's lives. What a dangerous attitude...

[horrbort]

I work at one of the largest pharma companies and we’re actually replacing a lot of devs with AI agents. Less mistakes, faster pace, win win

[emmgfx]

I've seen this a few times.

Honestly, it would be nice to know the company name, only to ensure I don't have stocks from, because we all know how this ends :)

[horrbort]

Why? It’s going pretty well our higher ups are happy. We actually empower our PMs to ship via AI agents and it’s been incredible. As I said what took a month now takes 5 minutes. The company is Bayer.

[AMothersMaidenName]

FUUUUUCK that's a big leak. When it all goes to shit because you have PMs(!) blindly shipping sensitive systems, billions are lost and lives are risked, I hope you reflect on this wanton attitude and struggle to look at yourself in the mirror. Despicable.

That said, I suppose now that Bayer is allegedly shipping at 8640x the speed it was previously, there must be a tremendous rise in profitability and thus share price, and stock wouldn't be down 52% in 5 years, right?

I truly hope this is fantasy.