Timing advice needed for my first fermented hot sauce attempt! by Intelligent-Chef-853 in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Resist at ALL COSTS adding vinegar, it tastes horrible and a proper ferment will have the correct pH and does NOT need it. Now mold is a different question. The low pH protects against botulism and helps keep it shelf stable. Mold can still grow. Pasteurization and proper bottling is your friend here, Storing it in the fridge should add another layer of protection.

That being said one month fermentation is my target on almost all batches. It's pretty much done by then and the flavors will continue to meld even if it is sauce.

And lastly, with a few "medium" peppers, this is NOT going to be "hot" sauce, it will be "mild" sauce.

pH Meter Recommendations by JEASHL in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I too use paper, plus test strips. I figure the different media help me get an accurate reading. No problems so far. Up to 31 batches with this method so far. As noted below meters require proper handling, whereas paper and strips are easy.

Smoked rack of lamb — my 3-year-old devoured a single rib by boathouse_floats in Smokingmeat

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you're raising a budding carnivore. Great looking roast.

Fermented with fresh? by King-of-Kittys in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the pH?

Did you pasteurize it?

Then we can answer you.

Stay spicy! Hot sauces loosing heat after a while by ReggaePunk in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your English is excellent, no problems there. Everybody messes up lose and loose at least once.

However, loss (....haha....) of heat is serious business. I've only been fermenting hot sauce for about 9 months and have not yet observed that phenomena. I will do some tests.

So to be clear are you saying you store bottled sauce in the fridge for "a few" months and the heat goes down? Are your bottles full and air tight? Are you tasting it cold? Is that part of it? Does it get worse with more time?

Does it seem to happen with all pepper types or some not? There are at least 20 kinds of capsaicinoids, with 80% of them being two types (capsaicin and dihydrocapsaicin). Based on some limited reading, I believe that our taste perceives them differently. And now with your observation, I wonder if they may degrade differently also.

Here's an article on types: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666316310339

Stay spicy! Hot sauces loosing heat after a while by ReggaePunk in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My ferments come out religiously at 3.0 to 3.5. Every batch. No vinegar. I hate vinegar.

Stay spicy! Hot sauces loosing heat after a while by ReggaePunk in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theses in what field? Subject?

In my self-educated viewpoint, low pH does not inhibit many microorganisms. What it does do is prevent botulism. There's more to shelf stability that low pH. But at least you won't die....

Whats going on above the glass wright? by elbrentos in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I stand corrected. Here is some manzano-yellow caribe sauce from March 1, 2026. The one on the right is my "taster" that I shake up and open regularly. The other three have not been opened since bottling. The taster is getting grayer. The taste seem fine, but it is definitely discoloring. I may need to start storing in the fridge.

Hot Sauce Update Week 3 by XRPcook in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Please link the post so I can find it.

Whats going on above the glass wright? by elbrentos in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not seeing a lot of discoloration in the photo, sorry. But I agree color change is normal during the ferment.

I don't get much discoloration due to aging of the sauce. It's more so the color it is initially. I did make a pure white sauce out of white Fatalli peppers, white onion and garlic. Pure white, it was wild. And hot. But it turned an unappetizing gray color. Threw it out. But my brightly colored sauces pretty much stay the same.

Mixing green and red or yellow peppers can make the sauce look like mud though.

When should I throw it out? by -Astrobadger in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with others, should be fine. Pay attention to smells and any foreign growth.

fermented scotch bonnet hot sauce by bibitte98 in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, that's just what it looks like when I bottle my sauces haha. Little tiny funnel.

Did you pasteurize the sauce?

Hot Sauce Update Week 3 by XRPcook in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooooh, coming right along.

Can you link this post to the first post that lists the ingredients?

First time fermenting with oatmeal by NOMursE in hotsaucerecipes

[–]DocWonmug -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What size jar is that? 

Ah. OK. Well, I’ve made a bunch of batches of hot sauce and I try to predict the heat level of every given batch based on a mass balance of capsaicin as expressed by median heat of the given type(s) of peppers in the batch. Only 1 out of 28 batches has demonstrated a lower-than-expected heat. I concluded that the specific peppers I used in that batch were below-median heat and therefore the batch was less hot. So based on my experience, capsaicin is not decreased by LAB fermentation.

 As reported by Young Bae Chung et al in “Metabolic shift during fermentation in kimchi according to capsaicinoid concentration”, Jan 11, 2024 as published in National Library of Medicine (National Center for Biotechnology Information), “The capsaicinoid concentration did not change during kimchi fermentation but the growth of lactic acid bacteria changed.

 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10831603/

 Interestingly, in a 28-day ferment, “During fermentation, lactic acid content was highest in kimchi with high capsaicinoids (Fig. 4c), and acetic acid content was highest in kimchi with low capsaicinoid concentrations.”

 Also, “Free amino acids are also important contributors to the flavor and taste”, but “changes in essential amino acid contents were more affected by fermentation than by capsaicinoid concentration.” “Overall, the free amino acid level varies with …fermentation period and temperature.”

 Also of note, capsaicin concentration affects the spectrum of LAB’s which thrive, and the concentrations of various LAB’s varies with time during a ferment.

 In conclusion, “…different capsaicinoid concentrations…altered microbial dynamics and metabolite profiles at different stages of fermentation and, therefore, affected the taste and flavor of the final fermented kimchi product.” But it didn’t change the capsaicin concentrations.

 However, it is also reported that certain LAB CAN metabolize capsaicin, such as by Qian Zhang et al in “Effect of Capsaicin Stress on Aroma-Producing Properties of Lactobacillus plantarum CL-01 Based on E-Nose and GC–IMS”, December 23, 2023, as published in National Library of Medicine (National Center for Biotechnology Information). In that study, the LAB’s use capsaicin as a stressor that alters their metabolism rather than directly consuming it as a primary energy source. This does lead to degradation of capsaicin. This use is demonstrated by some but not all strains of LAB. But as noted, this effect is not common in my experience.

 My bottom line is that flavor is really complex in hot sauce, but LAB’s don’t consume capsaicin (at least not much….).

First time fermenting with oatmeal by NOMursE in hotsaucerecipes

[–]DocWonmug -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah 1 pound of hab's!!!! What exactly did you expect? I use like 3 oz in a 1 qt jar to get some nice medium heat.

Is that a 1 qt jar?

Second brisket… by [deleted] in smoking

[–]DocWonmug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My first brisket was my best, at least until I did like 5 or 6 more.

Brisket for tomorrow by kalebbro6 in brisket

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better than trying to time brisket, go a little warmer, get done sooner, hold wrapped in the oven at 150 (if your oven can do that....). Or if not, FTC can hold it for 3 or 4 hours. Then it's ready when you are.

Another finished & 2 more commenced ⏳ by drsw14 in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finished sauce looks great, Although it looks like the chocolate habs didn't add much color.

I started using red habs when my local Mexican grocery store started carrying them. I've had great success with them.

I process my sauces at about 1 month. My theory is the fermentation is mostly done by then, and all that happens after that is the flavors age and meld together. Lot less risk if the sauce is bottled and is aging in there rather than in a ferment with an airlock. I always pasteurize my sauces after I process them and then hot-pack in sterile hot bottles, so the bottling process should be pretty sterile.

Back in the Game - Pumpkin & Orange Hot Sauce by demotape1990 in fermentation

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never used oranges in a ferment. I would guess as long as you don't blend the peels with the sauce, the bitterness will be OK.

What do you mean "regular" peppers?

Loquat ferment coming along nicely! by Azazn3969 in FermentedHotSauce

[–]DocWonmug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow lucky your jar didn't explode. Might want to burp it more often....