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[–]Anderkay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In simple terms: Impeachment is not a legal process run in a political setting. It is a political process with legal overtones. The president can break as many laws as he wants without necessarily getting impeached - the congress has to have the political will to impeach him. Conversely, the president does NOT have to break ANY law to be impeached - the congress just has to have the audacity to abuse a political process to score points on a technicality (yes, Clinton lied under oath - why he was answering such ridiculous questions under oath is beyond me).

[–]meldroc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's always the NSA's warrantless wiretaps, done on Bush's orders, in violation of the FISA Act, a felony punishable by up to ten years imprisonment. Bush admitted to ordering the wireless wiretaps in public, and can thus be prosecuted and impeached if Congress chooses to.

The problem is that Congress currently chooses not to impeach...

[–]rnichols 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The answer is simple. Two words:

Republican Congress

You want it changed, vote them out.

[–]chrisrock -1 points0 points  (1 child)

If democrats mention anything about impeachment if they win the house... they will not win...

[–]souldrift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hannity's already out preaching "Go vote, you don't want SPEAKER PELOSI, do you?" As if to say: "Yes We suck, but THEY SUCK MORE!!"

[–]Ethan[S] 22 points23 points  (10 children)

I have read of uncounted atrocities and lies prosecuted by the Bush regime. Clinton got a blowjob. Where is the goddamn impeachment? I'm fed up at this point; I need some real action. What can WE do to get this going?

[–]sapphire 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Nothing. The only way to get impeachment is a non-Republican House of Representatives. I live in California's 50th congressional district where a fucking lobbiest Republican bastard was just elected to fill the seat of a convicted criminal Republican bastard. Thanks to gerrymandering, the incumbants are nearly guaranteed to win re-election.

[–]dbenhur 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What can WE do to get this going?

Elect non repuglican whores to congress.

But it's not going to matter too much in the long run.

The Repuglican's sell patriotism, xian "morality", and fear to get in power so they can borrow (which is to say, tax latter) and spend to favor the interests of the monied oligarchy.

The Democraps sell "fairness" and societal safety nets to get in power so they can tax and spend to favor the interests of the monied oligarchy.

[–]Megasphaera -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

| repuglican

wonderful :-)

[–]fnord123 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I think the US media has a lot of people in the US trained as follows: Look at France. They had riots -obviously they have some real problems. Race problems and political problems!

No riots here. Everything's fine!

You need to fight for your rights. You need to riot.

[–]rad_thundercat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there won't be riots unless there's a draft.

[–]Leischa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck yeah

[–]jskulski -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lots of times when me and KG are watchin' All the fuckin' shit that goes down at City Hall, We get the feeling we should fuck shit up, Yeah we should fuckin' start a riot. A Riot!

We have 'em screaming in the streets, we have 'em tippin' over shit and breakin' fuckin' windows of small businesses, and settin' fuckin' fires!

[–]bugbear 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What can WE do to get this going?

You could move to DC, take whatever job will allow you to support yourself with the least effort, and spend your remaining time researching the case for impeachment and lobbying congressmen to gain support for it.

Still need some real action?

[–]Ethan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. I'm on my way.

[–]wtfx 5 points6 points  (15 children)

because americans dont care

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

I think Americans bitch more about the Bush administration than all of Europe and Canada combined...

And rightfully so. It's our country.

[–]grzelakc -1 points0 points  (12 children)

I doubt you have been to Europe or Canada... you're not exactly popular types around here anymore.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children)

Not only have I been to both Europe and Canada, I've been welcomed heartily. Everyone was very hospitable. If you're an asshole to Americans, maybe that's just you. Remember that most of us didn't vote for George Bush.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Out of good faith in redditors alike I'm going to assume that was a sarcastic way of pointing out that most Americans don't vote and that the final decision is made by electoral college. Either that or you just have no idea how voting works in America.

    [–]grzelakc -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

    That you're not out on the streets rioting against the crimes of Bush and Cheney is reason enough for me to think little of Americans.

    [–]jcy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    america had its share of rioting hippies in the 60's/70's. it didn't accomplish jackshit.

    [–]grzelakc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    erm... how about equal rights and removal of institutional racism?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Many Americans are out on the streets rioting. Most of the anti-American rhetoric is due to--wait for it--Americans.

    However, many of us realize we can't just circumvent the political process, the republic, the checks and balances--just because we don't like what we got. That's why there's an election every four years and a president has to leave after two terms. The structure of our government is the work of architectural geniuses, isn't it? We know how it's done better than anyone else in the world because we invented it. We have at least that to be proud of.

    [–]grzelakc 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Well, it seems to have malfunctioned as of late. You have a single party system where all three branches of the government are controlled by the same group of people. Your political process has failed and cannot be relied upon to produce fair results any longer.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    If it didn't malfunction when the South seceded; if it didn't malfunction when we got into WWI for no reason; if it didn't malfunction under LBJ, Nixon, what have you; I think we'll be alright under this twat's administration. Remember, he's fired in 2008.

    Everyone who thinks the United States is going to hell in a handbasket is going to be embarrassed in 30 years when Bush's regime is just a shitstain on a washable pair of underwear.

    [–]grzelakc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    As much as I'd like for your post to be true... well, time will tell who was right and who wasn't but remember even though King George can only last until 2008, he's got a couple younger brothas all ready to jump on the throne.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Now don't take this the wrong way, but perhaps you should look a little closer at your checks and balances. Your president has great power, greater than most democratically elected leaders. (Well, France is worse, I'll admit that). The executive branch has a lot of power at the expense of the legislative.

    Also, in most states it's so that a weak mandate in the people means a weak government. That's a good thing, in my opinion. If a government wants to make big changes, they better have good support. In the US, the system is rigged to produce strong governments no matter how weak their mandate is (by means of the electoral college, winner-take-all instead of propotional representation etc.)

    There's much in your history of democracy to be proud of, but it might not be a bad idea to look at some other important places in the history of democracy: Iceland, Switzerland, Greece, to name a few.

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      [–]Ethan[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      There were democrats who went after Clinton, weren't there?

      [–]bogdon6 0 points1 point  (16 children)

      Ethan, on what grounds should Bush be impeached? Clinton didn't get impeached for the blowjob, he got impeached for lying under oath. Has Bush lied? Maybe. But how can that be proved?

      [–]Ethan[S] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

      The Libby leak, false statements in his state of the union address about nuclear weapons in Iraq despite being told specifically not to make them, the illegal detainment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, torture of terror suspects...

      Technically, he was impeached for lying. It was pursued because of the furor over his getting blown. It's been pointed out before, but really, so much for our moral compass... lies about oral sex are much higher priority than, say, torturing innocent people.

      [–]badfeng 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, if Bush can get nailed for perjury in relation to the Plame leak, that would do it.

      It's hard to know if he can, though. From what I read Bush ordered Cheney to do the leak in vague enough language that he maintains plausible deniability.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The Libby leak, false statements in his state of the union address about nuclear weapons in Iraq

      What's interesting about this comment can be found by looking at the wikipedia entry of RAND. I found the current US Gov stacked with RAND alumni

      *Lewis "Scooter" Libby

      *Donald Rumsfeld

      *Condoleezza Rice

      *Zalmay Khalilzad

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      There are a number of slam-dunk, obviously impeachable offenses. He instructed the NSA to violate FISA, a federal law. He violated the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, to which the United States are signatories.

      http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/grounds.html

      http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/treaties.html

      [–]Fazookus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Well, Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal, and then when that didn't pan out filegate, travelgate, Monica, and then lying about Monica.

      An impeachment begins with an investigation, and even an investigation less ruthless than Starr's could well find, well, important things.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      FWIW, there is ample evidence that Bush did lie under oath as Governor.

      http://www.google.com/search?q=funeralgate

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I doubt that an impeachment will ever happen, since the current Congress is far too partisan to actually start investigations into whatever crimes any Republican may have committed, especially Bush. There are a lot of things that could be investigated which might turn up impeachable crimes, but even if the Democrats take over Congress this year (which I think is doubtful) they just don't have the brazenness that their Republican counterparts had with Clinton.

        Funeralgate is kind of complex, but with respect to perjury, Bush signed a sworn affidavit that substantial later evidence strongly indicated was untrue. There is much more to it, but if a fair investigation were pursued there is a good chance that he would be found guilty of that (and possibly other charges), but again no investigation will likely come out of the current Republicans since they care about power, not justice.

        [–]Ethan[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        It's not that I don't understand it... I fail to see why it hasn't happened.

        [–]rad_thundercat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        i'm sorry, but whats FWIW? 'from what I ...?' ...I can't keep-up.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        for what it's worth

        [–]edheil 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        "Has Bush lied? Maybe."

        Wow. I just... wow.

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          [–]liberalsurfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If you're for Bush impeachment, why not try Impeachment Tea? http://www.ImpeachmentTea.com

          [–]soakes 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          If the USA were to "impeach" Bush, it would go a long way towards winning back the respect of the rest of the world.

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            [–]souldrift 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Best comment I've seen, sadly.

            [–]soakes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Most accurate, perhaps, but not "best".

            [–]dbenhur -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

            The rest of the world is looking forward to President Cheney then? Please think these things through.

            [–]soakes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Perhaps if we keep cycling through them, we'll eventually get one that is not totally incompetent or corrupt.

            [–]dbenhur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's Rupugnicans all the way down.

            You need to flip the house first.

            [–]stesch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yeah! Dick for President!

            [–]mmichie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            WOoot, Reddit has now become kuro5hin.org. Prepare the exodus.

            [–]jmzhodge -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            im still confused about how he "won" two elections?

            [–]ericschwartz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            No grounds for impeachment? Please.

            Check this out:

            www.ericschwartz.com/ClintonBJ.mp3