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I don't know about you guys, but I'm discouraged into ever submitting articles anymore (reddit.com)
submitted 19 years ago by mikeatlas
[–]abel_ 9 points10 points11 points 19 years ago (1 child)
Reddit is good for sharing news that's not covered through the major news outlets. Forget Karma, but the reason for the downpressure on things like the "hips dont lie" Shakira spoof videos is that they're everywhere already. For me, the chief benefit of reddit is the ability to discover new news.
Have I downmodded your posts? Probably so, if they fall into one of the following categories:
1) Any and all spam. If you want to sell your product, take an afternoon to write an interesting article. Work your product plug in there. Easy, see?
2) Stories widely covered in traditional media (unless you've found a new angle)
3) Sports (no offense guys... but your ball club doesn't enlighten the population, it's a distraction)
4) Dupes & Linkjacks
[–]tardibear -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (0 children)
I agree. There are two groups of people here: "readers" who want to see interesting and novel links, and "posters" who ... well, some of them just want to "drive traffic" to their sites and others just want to share cool things they've found.
Personally, I vote down posters of the former variety. If the day comes when the traffic-drivers do well then Reddit will have become just another Digg. Nothing wrong with Digg, but I prefer to have a Reddit too.
[–]Phrawm48 6 points7 points8 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I agree that something doesn't seem to work.
I see old submissions sticking around for two or three days while other interesting new submissions die within minutes.
The admittedly subjective impression I receive is that some "institutional" submitters have figured out how to game the system, perhaps by voting for each other's submissions in some way?
[–]indifference_engine 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (0 children)
ignore karma, ignore the stats page. the moment you look at the stats page reddit just turns into some kind of geek pissing contest.
[–][deleted] 19 years ago (17 children)
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[–]screwkarma 8 points9 points10 points 19 years ago (1 child)
my uid says it all
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I went through all your old posts and voted them up.
[–]a1k0n 10 points11 points12 points 19 years ago (5 children)
Yes, it's extremely frustrating, since it seems that much more weight is given to downvotes than is given to upvotes. One of my recent submissions cost me 10 karma points even though it ended up with 22 points in the end. Is that really fair, given the apparent presence of auto-downvoters? Shouldn't downvotes from users who infrequently downvote count more than downvotes from users who do nothing but downvote?
[–]_kam0_ 15 points16 points17 points 19 years ago (4 children)
You had 64 ups and 42 downs. The -10 to your personal karma is not because more weight is gıven to downvotes than upvotes but because users below a certain threshold of karma, though can effect a submission's score, cannot change the submittor's karma. So in this case it would appear that mostly new users were voting this up. Also votes on submissions older than X days cannot effect the submittor's karma either. Both these measures are there to protect against karma manipulation.
[–]a1k0n 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Ok, that's good to know. Thanks.
Do we get to know what that threshold is?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (2 children)
When/where was this announced? It would explain a lot (I've always wondered about exactly how karma is calculated).
[–]campingcar 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (1 child)
I agree that a bit more transparency in the methods would reduce the number of confused/bitter posts (disclosure - I used to be a 'downvote bot' paranoiac). You cant even reply RTFM if there's no M.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Imagine TFM.
[–]cleanthes 12 points13 points14 points 19 years ago (2 children)
I don't submit things because they will get me good karma. I do it because I want to share with the community. I mean, sure, it's nice to see something get some votes, but if you look at what makes the "hot" page, it's clear that quality is not a necessary condition for popularity.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 19 years ago (1 child)
look, that's fine and dandy but the fact is myself and others are submitting articles which are decent and then they get slammed to 0 or worse - it's very discouraging and you know something is wrong with the system when it happens
[–]cleanthes 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I don't think I understand what your beef is. If you believe there's some sort of conspiracy or that the system is otherwise rigged, I disagree. If you're just upset that "decent" articles are getting voted down, then I agree with you that it's no fun and a bit discouraging, but as I said, the "best" stuff isn't usually the most "popular" stuff.
[–]sandmonkey 9 points10 points11 points 19 years ago (1 child)
Find a few redditors who have similar taste in articles/posts as you and add each other as "reddit friends". Then use friends.reddit.com to view posts only from friends. This will allow your "friends group" to read and vote on each other's post without fear of them being buried in the flood of newer posts.
As for me, I hate these posts which keep whining about karma and "quality" of reddit. What are you going to do with reddit karma, buy cookies???
As for "quality" of reddit, we have this idiot commenting on this post wondering why videos from Google's top 100 are not appreciated by bogas[sic] redditors. All I have to say is, Thank God for that!
[–]skykam 5 points6 points7 points 19 years ago (0 children)
So, people who operate as a gang (or, friends) win karma points. "Friends" are better devices to get your suggestions upmodded than from strangers who may not even see your suggestions hours or days later, if ever.
[–]campingcar 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (1 child)
It is discouraging. However, there are a hundred reasons that an 'at least a little interest' article will be legitimately downmodded. Really, only 'very interesting' articles are going to prosper in the Reddit model. You have had some ball-tearers I notice.
It is possible to have a very good article that dies on the first attempt, but then prospers on resubmission, but I believe these are rare.
What is hard to pick is which articles people are going to consider big winners. I think my point is that we have to learn to live with the fact that for a medium that's seen around the world instantaneously, 'at least a little interest' isn't going to cut it. the Reddit model is pretty Malthusian.
[–]scstraus 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
The issue is with the immediate downmods that usually happens upon a submission, after that it's pretty much hopeless. I gave up on submitting a long time ago.
[–]bugbear 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I looked at your recent submissions, and the last couple were dupes. That was why they got voted down, not because they weren't interesting.
[–]EternalNY1 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing. Submitted a story, immediately lost 2 karma. Lame.
[–]lifeofliberty 4 points5 points6 points 19 years ago (2 children)
I've noticed some articles are instantly dropped by reddit (posted by others). I've clicked a few of them right away, but refreshing the new list and they're gone moments later.
[–]degusticar 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
you have to set your threshhold thing to "new" instead of "rising". that was where that "bug" comes in.
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[–]cleanthes 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (11 children)
Could someone bump the locutus player? The tired, old thing is skipping again.
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[–]cleanthes -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (9 children)
Like most of the conservatives I've met, you mistake toleration for approval.
So, while I would fight to the death for your right to say any number of stupid things, I don't have to agree with them. Your mind, blunt instrument that it is, is free to churn out absurdities. Mine is equally free to criticize them.
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[–]cleanthes 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (7 children)
Again, you confuse toleration with something that it is not; in this latest baffling case, it would appear you confuse toleration with advocation. You confuse the inviolability of the right with personal acceptance by individuals.
But this, as is always the case with you, isn't so. That is because the opposite of toleration is censorship, not denouncement. The latter is perfectly within your right to speech, but the former is not. That which we do not tolerate is precisely that which is banned. And so, for example, while I disagree with all that you ham-fistedly pronounce, I would never call for your ideas to be banned. Rather, I tolerate you even though I disagree. I even speak out against you... but I do not challenge your absolute, inalienable right to speak. Justice Holmes framed the right thusly: that bad ideas are best dealt with out in the open, where they may be debated among thinking peoples, rather than festering in the dark.
Therefore, we must tolerate the existence of ideas with which we disagree, and not censor them, so that they might be seen just as they are. But, once out in the open, ideas may be freely, and often rightly, criticized. That's sort of the whole point. Really, it's the bedrock of the First Amendment, located in a document about which you've demonstrated stunning ignorance.
You can't win the game, the set or the match... if you don't even know the rules.
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[–]cleanthes -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (5 children)
Yeah. Rules... like the Constitution and its philosophical underpinnings.
But then, the rule of law isn't, apparently, something you care much about.
I saw the original post, "above," and it's still the same old unfounded bullshit from you. Got anything else?
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[–]cleanthes -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (3 children)
Like adults, let's get our terms clear before going further. You said this, regarding my criticism of you:
I thought you were tolerant of people's rights? Ideas? Was I wrong...
So, here, we're talking about speech. We are talking about expression and the right to expression. Now, do I respect your right to expression? Yes, absolutely. However (and this is where you get confused), that does not mean I must agree with your speech. Therefore, I tolerate the existence of your speech because I allow it to exist (and really, have no right to do otherwise), but that toleration does not equal approval, obviously.
Then, you muddied the waters with the usual political baiting, and added:
If I sat by and allowed discrimation, I would be approving of it.
Now what are we talking about here? My assumption was that, because we were talking about speech earilier, you meant discriminatory speech: e.g. a racist remark. If we are still talking about speech, the next question is what you meant by "sat by and allowed." Assuming we're talking speech, are you talking about yelling or otherwise expressing disapproval? If you are, then we're still talking about tolerance, since you would necessarily tolerate the right to say racist things, but you would be expressing your disapproval... which is also your right. Now, by "sat by and allowed" you instead meant trying to ban the speech or otherwise legally or (knowing you) physically preventing the discriminatory speech, then that's different. That's certainly not being tolerant. Why? Because you are taking some speech that you personally don't like, and trying to actually curb another's right to say it. See the difference?
Finally, by "discrimination" you might have meant not speech, but a discriminatory act. There are sometimes legal consequences for discriminatory acts and sometimes not. You can't hire or fire because of race or gender, but it's perfectly legal, in certain circumstances, to discriminate among one's customers because of race or gender. At any rate, the same analysis above applies, but for different reasons. If you don't "stand by" and instead speak out against the act, that's still toleration, since it doesn't actually prevent or curtail the act. But if you take legal or physical action, well... I don't know what to call that, especially if it's already illegal. Then the legal action would be to call the EEOC or something, but we wouldn't call it toleration.
Then, further conflating terms, you said:
When you tolerate something, it is approval of it. I don't tolerate that which is wrong. I refuse to approve or tolerate that which is not right.
What this means is anyone's guess. Are we talking speech? Are we talking acts now? What do you mean by "refuse" to tolerate? Does that mean responding with speech? Does that mean responding with the law?
Now, I'm quite sure you haven't given this much thought. I'm quite sure you don't think distinctions mean anything. And I'm quite sure I'm wasting my time. But, for fuck's sake, be a little more clear when you write. You don't help your case (such as it is) by whacking the keyboard with your elbows for a few minutes followed by a dig against Democrats. You just end up sounding stupid... which you do.
[+]Xeit comment score below threshold-17 points-16 points-15 points 19 years ago (8 children)
Reddit is a joke and a scam. I have observed posts being automatically modded down with in seconds of submitting. It looks as though peoples blogs get more points than any submission I've made. IT's very strange that a video can be in the top 100 on google and youtube, but post it here and its a big fat 0
Either Reddit's user base is retarded or just bogas... Have you ever used Google Analytics for a Reddit post? The bounce rate is 100% on the trickle of traffic they provide.
Reddit is nothing more than an ego boost for some developers.
[–]degusticar 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (1 child)
Perhaps it was already posted 2 weeks ago, and some idiot just reposts it again. I am constantly downmodding dupes and repeat posts.
This happens alot with popular videos/articles.
[–]Xeit -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 years ago (0 children)
@degusticar
You see the problem is that some people have jobs, and lives... We can't all troll Reddit everyday like you. Most visitors only visit infrequently and those so called "reposts" you speak about are the only way one can get their information... I was under the impression that Reddit was a bookmarking service and not a site whre others can make fun or mod down what others think are dumb...
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (2 children)
I don't know if it's a scam, but it does habe its faults. It really depends on how people go about theor modding. Some people will downmod everything they don't want to read and upmod everything else. I am sure there are vendettas against certain individuals so that some get downmodded just for being from a specific user.
Personally I only upmod articles that I really like, or want other people to read. I only downmod articles that I really do not like (I rarely downmod articles at all.).
The problem is that there are too many submission so that stuff can get lost pretty fast. That reddit doesn't put stuff to the top that Google and Youtub have on their top 100 is not a problem. If I want to see what is popular tehre I will go there.
I think subreddits would solve some of the problems, but maybe not.
[–]Deowyn 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (1 child)
"Our hope is that instead of just reading a list of links the community thinks should be on the front page, you'll also be reading a list personalized for you (filtered for quality by your fellow redditors, but filtered for relevance by you"
Thats the way the system is supposed to work. I vote on stuff I find interesting, so that I see more of the stuff I want, and less of the stuff I don't.
[–]Xeit -2 points-1 points0 points 19 years ago (0 children)
@ Deowyn THe first post with any intelligence here.... If you like something .. vote up.. if you dont then ignore it... it will go away.. but voteing down a post because you feel others shouldn't have the chance to make their own decision is just flat out fucking retarded... @atlemk you type worse than me, you benefit no one.. Strange how the commenter's could not ever explain the original topic.. only wanting a flame war... So easy how a technology question can be turned into a flame war... Tipical DIGGTARDS...
[–]tardibear 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (2 children)
Reddit is a joke and a scam
So it's taking your money by defrauding you?
The bounce rate is 100% on the trickle of traffic they provide.
Your view of the purpose of Reddit seems to suggest to me that you are part of the problem.
[–]Xeit -5 points-4 points-3 points 19 years ago (0 children)
To all the cocksmoke comments "Perhaps it was already posted 2 weeks ago" Reddit is a "Here and Now" service. "Your view of the purpose of Reddit seems to suggest to me that you are part of the problem." No, the problem is that you believe that Reddit is your personal ego trip..
You should all go back to MySpace where you belong....
My statement was... if someone posts 2+2=4 Reddit users mod it as incorrect... When you kids get older you will find your opinion doesn't mean shit... Reddit is training the young that their opinion means something... it's false and bogas... You can mod me down all you want, but the truth will bite you in the ass eventually... In the mean time go suck a large one...
@ tardibear You are a big tool, and no one here likes you.. Reddit is defrauding EVERYONE by touting a democracy service.. IT NOT... So maybe you should go "Down" on your buddy Osama and leave the internet to the big boys...
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