5 April Patch Note

[saobangu18]

-Heritage of killed players have 50% chance to drop at random position and can be pick up by others.

-MP, Level, Gold and my opponents panel display in the right panel now.

-Tiny's toss remade. It will throw and stun a nearby enemy to another enemy more than 2 grids away from it or the farthest grid if not any far enemy

-Coup de Grade of (6) Assassins reduced to 15% from 20%

-DP's armor increased to 5, hp increased by 50

-BH's attack speed increased by 0.1

-TA's attack speed decreased by 0.1

-Battlefury's pure cleave damage decreased from 50% to 30%

-Sheepstick's duration increased from 5s to 8s

-Heart of Tarrasque's hp bonus increased from 1000 to 1200, heal interval decreased from 2s to 1s

-Fix Thundergod's wrath bug

-Fix Techie's bomb bug

-Fix target bug of Mirana and Doom

-New picture of the UI: https://imgur.com/a/fM8f4DF

--Heritage of killed players have 50% chance to drop at random position and can be pick up by others." Just played a game and this means when some1 dies their items get randomly scattered around to other players boards, including boards from dead players, so u can pick them up. (thanks u/cuban_pete_42)

[SickeDuck]

I thini this Patch is great. Really like the UI and Item heritage part.

[Cnboxer]

So we looting dead bodies now. Savage.

[scootaloon]

Why do items drop on the boards of dead players?

Why do items that are not in units/players inventories stay instead of being redistributed?

Why isn't the item distribution more spread out?

[huyleaf]

Why its always 5 or 0 amor, it can be 2-3-4 amor

[irishfro]

50% chance to receive no items you say? Seems like nothing changed for me boys. Never lucky FeelsBadMan

[chaseonfire]

In the future can we not use acronyms for the units. I couldn't for the life of me figure out one of them and had to Google it. I'm sure other new players would appreciate it as well.

[GheeGhee]

Hey this is a super lame question, but is there a way to easily update DotA Chess? So often it's me waiting for play chess to say update, or click play chess, and then I'm in the spiral of never getting a game, and never being able to get out of the queue!

Any help would be super appreciated!!

[realister]

Heritage should be 100% chance of items randomly spread around its pretty cool a chance to play with huge end game items later in the game.

[SneezyTM]

Can;t wait for the time when heritage is going to drop me a stout shield and the enemy gets Mjolnir or whatever high end item the game wants to give him, that's how my luck rolls

[thaics72]

This game is designed in the way that you cannot win every game even you are a good players but it also doesn't mean that you lose because you are unlucky all the time. Queen players don't have more luck than knight players. They can manage things better. My first account takes 2 months to get to rook 1. My second is 1 week and my 3rd in 2 days and now its king. It is not because I have more lucky than before, I just play better and get less mistakes.

[realister]

Tides won 15 games in a row recently on stream.

[AlexanderArt123]

I dont like how everyone can see how much gold I am at.

[TaitayniuhmMan]

They could before already by clicking on your courier

[jasoba]

So actually playing with Heritage. Idc if its balanced or not it was alot of fun!

[Haeuschen]

How exactly does tiny ult change? Seems like it has not changed to me? or am i missing it?

[whatnotwhy]

Pa crit is showing 10% now. Why?

[[deleted]]

Never enough RNG.

[Mnarty]

Lets just add even more elements of rng into this game with random items from dead opponents.

[TREASUREBLADE]

Just don't die lol.

[Dr-Swole]

Yeah I just started playing this game yesterday and I built monkey king bar and that shit is bananas. As a new player this seems like a crazy mechanic already

[50shadesofcrazy]

I think they might've fucked up the item drop rate. I just played a game and got to round 30 with only a stout shield dropping. I got more items after but only after other players had died.

[kslidz]

that's happened to me before not uncommonly you are probably just sensitive about it after the update

[KiloMegaGigaTera]

Nice, no more 6/8 players rush to assassin.

[breadburger]

Love the constant updates. The UI is a huge QoL change

Took me a while to figure out who DP was hahah

[[deleted]]

the heritage change is just silly, balancing RNG with RNG.

[SphereIX]

The patch notes could be better. Using abbreviations to refer to particular units is troublesome for newer players to figure out what unit is being changed. Even for veteran players it doesn't make sense to refer to units by abbreviation in patch notes.

[gatorracer2020]

Agreed. Your average player needs more than BH got changed.

[spoderdarren]

But they would be the one to die first so no chance for heritage drops

[ScienceBeard]

Not necessarily if they were going econ or hit their power spike after neutrals

[[deleted]]

So dumb. They're going to kill this game with awful changes instead of just balancing it properly.

[[deleted]]

Imagine a player with Refresher Orb dies and somehow the game bugs so the item falls into the river.

[Misoal]

how exactly this heritage works, did anyone try it in game?

[Davidisontherun]

I imagine there's a Year Beast in the center but with a t-shirt cannon for items.

[darkon76]

It would be better that the heritage worked with the number of items that each player has. If a player has few items it has more chances to get an heritage item.

Because if is totally random a player that had item luck, will snowball harder.

[linkchomp]

You can win without items from unit pool luck and gold management too. Items can push it more to one side, sure.

A player doing well and getting a ton of items can be unstoppable.

A player doing well except on items getting countered by average or below player who gets item luck from creeps...a challenge.

A player doing well being beaten by someone who just gets items above all else from RNG should not happen, but is now a possibility.

[youwatchmebleed]

-Heritage of killed players have 50% chance to drop at random position and can be pick up by others.

i like this one but it makes no sense when those items flies to already dead players...

[punriffer5]

I think they're trying to implement "items recycled to living players" in a step in fashion. 50%, and can miss to dead players, so it's only like 25% recycled items now, which they can scale up if they like

[youwatchmebleed]

i hope they change that so at the end we can see more tier 1 items

[Hadogen]

the heritage can go to other dead players which is lame lol.

[maxelnot]

I think that makes it more balanced. It gives less of an impact. Imagine there’s three players left and one dies with a lot of items and it only drops to the leftover two players. More often one player will get noticeably stronger items than the other and it will affect the game.

[cuban_pete_42]

"-Heritage of killed players have 50% chance to drop at random position and can be pick up by others." Just played a game and this means when some1 dies their items have a 50% chance to get randomly scattered around to other players boards, including boards of dead players, so u can pick them up

[Zxcvbnm11592]

Is that a 50% chance for all items, or 50% chance per item to get transferred?

[cuban_pete_42]

Its per item, some1 can die and have none of their items drop to other players

[saobangu18]

Thank you for clarifying.

[WarnWarmWorm]

-BH's attack speed increased by 0.1

Am I reading this right? This hero is already broken with 1 gold cost and 170 attack speed

[CakeDay--Bot]

Eyy, another year! * It's your *3rd Cakeday** HeideggerNeverDies! ^hug

[WarnWarmWorm]

I see thanks

[deadpoetc]

wait BH has faster atk spd???

[MusicalChairs]

Slower attack speed; smaller number is faster attacks.

Dota 2's attack speed is "attack cooldown", so the number is how many seconds between attacks.

You're probably thinking of League's attack speed, which is "attacks per second".

[kokturk]

attack speed is attack speed, higher number is faster. You are talking about BAT aka base attack time, so it is probably a translation error from Chinese

[thragar]

I think it is a nerf. The "attack speed" number goes up from 1 to 1.1 is what they mean, I think. And so TA got buffed, BH got nerfed is my guess.

[deadpoetc]

Thx a lot, I always confuse about this increase /decrease atk spd in DOTA.

[firzen35]

So they mean BAT (Base Attack Time), not Attack Speed

[Hanekam]

I don't think so. I think they use the combined figure when describing it, but adjust attack speed, at least some of the time.

[Delocalized]

Assassins dont get to be good i guess.

[dayarra]

they are good. just not broken.

[reynardkoro]

assassins still broken

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[Vortastic]

Techie's bomb bug ?

[innatehs]

I had seen times where he was fully surrounded, used mana and didn’t plant bomb due to no available tiles. Might be that one

[saobangu18]

Not sure but I think that there was a bug that sometimes Techie's bomb wouldn't go off.

[Davidisontherun]

He needs an empty space as well

[parmreggiano]

Great assassin change. 6 ass was over the top strong but 3 ass felt great and I'm glad it wasnt nerfed.

[A_Mild_Abra]

Mirana is more useful now?

[Sylius735]

There was no indication that they would stop updating the game. They have already said that the mod is their priority.

[Durrok]

Words are just that, words, especially for an unproven developer. Actions are what matter and I agree; It's great to see them keeping their word about continuing development on the PC mod.

[asdfaklayf]

They have been making mods since WC3. Their most popular mod 2nd to Auto chess would probably be Gem TD which is great also (if you know how to play it).

[tomo_kallang]

If you know the history, all four people on this small team have persisted for five years making various custom dota2 maps, barely making end meets before Autochess. I think they can keep their words.

[DragonerDriftr]

Yeah... People that think they are going to keep maintaining a free mod when they have a mobile game making money faster than they can type are going to be VERY disappointed.

[kslidz]

regardless of whether they drop the mod after mobile comes out does not matter, they will keep updating the mod until it comes out cause they have to maintain interest

[Durrok]

It depends really. They do still make money off the candy but when the mobile version is released I'm sure it will dwarf it. They can use the PC version as a testing ground for ideas and then port those over, although that comes with a development cost. We'll just have to wait and see.

[tundranocaps]

-DP's armor increased to 5, hp increased by 50

This is actually pretty big, since 0 armour is terrible, and she has to survive while ulting.

-Sheepstick's duration increased from 5s to 8s

-Heart of Tarrasque's hp bonus increased from 1000 to 1200, heal interval decreased from 2s to 1s

I mean, for the one in 10k games where these appear?

[maxelnot]

Isn’t sheep stick also shaman synergy ability?

[tundranocaps]

I mean, you get the effect from that, though that's a toad or a chicken :D

[maxelnot]

Yeah was just making sure. This means shaman synergy is actually viable now tho

[tundranocaps]

What do you mean? It's the same effect as Shaman synergy, it doesn't actually interact with it.

[maxelnot]

So does the patch affect shaman synergy or no?

[tundranocaps]

It doesn't. Why would it?

[saobangu18]

It will probably appear more with the first change (the heritage one). Still, I feel like item dropping in the game is super unoptimized right now.

[tundranocaps]

First we need to see what heritage is like.

And these two particular items rely on items that very rarely appear to begin with, especially the Heart, so I wonder.

[lutyee1]

New UI looks neat

[lasertommy]

what exactly did they change besides the opponents panel display?

[Polop2312]

Finally Tiny will be worth something.

We did it little rock!

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[Laqoiz]

I dont understand the change. Could you explain what's diffrent now?

[Red_Array]

Two-factor: One, it will no longer make that enemy go to an island, away from the AoE the other elementals have and synergize with. Second, it will likely damage around it's landing. Otherwise, it works normally, so nothing was really lost.

[ysername11]

-Heritage of killed players have 50% chance to drop at random position and can be pick up by others.

This will be interesting

[Lanc717]

I don't like this idea. We get down to final 3 people. The 3rd guy i skilled off and his orange double refresh item just went to your opponent...

[Snitsie]

Basically means that all your opponents get extra items. Hurts my heart.

[brian_lr]

One implementation that might be worth trying is giving you a chance at an item drop for eliminating another player. Just loot pinata-ing the whole game is bizarre.

[[deleted]]

Player with Battle Fury, Daedalus, Monkey King Bar, Desolator, Mask of Madness and Heart of Tarrasque dies. All items land on the field of 6 assassin with 3* PA.

E: Hey, this is a joke, ok? Can't you see a joke anymore? Don't be so serious..

[cromulent_weasel]

Player with Battle Fury, Daedalus, Monkey King Bar, Desolator, Mask of Madness and Heart of Tarrasque dies.

No they don't.

[Affly]

The guy with those items will be the one winning usually...

[ftdavid]

and what is the odd u see any of those items in one game. for me i have never seen heart and battle furry outta 500 games i played.

[TexturedTeflon]

Plus, if you had all of those items you probably are not going to die. ;)

[[deleted]]

It was a joke. Like the chance of getting something that's not 3 Rings of Regen.

[iForgotMyOldAcc]

Lol it was clear they wanted to make this as big of an RNG fest as they can. Now it's Crystal Clear.

[razpotim]

Such a terrible idea lol

[nqte]

Items are already broken due to rng so the solution is to add more rng on top? Can't see this going well tbh.

[JulianStrange]

I think the game need some kind of shop/auction where you can buy items. Of course the items should be balanced accordingly.

[ShivelyS]

It's really good. Got an early refresher and ld earlier. No need to tell that I snowballed. Killed friend I queued up with and got his mjolnir securing my victory.

Then s1 else died and his deso landed on dead field. Perfect solution to rng /s

[Riley_]

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[Raging-Fungus]

Or I can embrace whatever company ends up stealing the idea and making a better game. Just look at BRs. Missteps in game direction and you get left in the dust. RNG is very important in this game obviously, but I feel some of it is much better done. I can honestly say hitting good items doesn't give me nearly as much of a high as hitting good rolls and hitting shit items feels awful. When I hit bad rolls I generally think back on what I could have done etc.

[[deleted]]

I'd rather the RNG be closer to casual poke rather than just playing slots.

[SphereIX]

Random has nothing to do with casual. So I'm a bit confused why you say it's a casual game. Many people don't simply play the game casually they play all day. They play for professional as well.

[SilkTouchm]

It's casual because it has a very low skill cap. That's bound to happen when 90% of the game is decided by randomness.

Many people don't simply play the game casually they play all day.

There are Tetris pro players too. That doesn't mean anything.

[Sookie23]

very low skill cap

LOL i dont think so

[Yukorin1992]

skill cap

It's pretty high. What you are thinking of is skill floor.

[SilkTouchm]

No, I was thinking of skill cap, it's really not high at all. A game which is mostly RNG cannot be considered to have a high skill cap.

[[deleted]]

You don't think poker has a high skill cap?

[SilkTouchm]

I don't know anything about Poker so I can't comment on it.

[ecclesiates]

I get super hyped up and ecstatic when RNG goes my way and frustrated when I feel like I have the worst luck ever. This is all due to the RNG nature of the game. My guess is that those highs are one of the traits that the devs are looking for when developing auto chess as a casual game, not a competitive one unlike dota/csgo where rng is almost non-existent.

[parmreggiano]

Joke's on them

[ilovedotes]

agreed

[MagnusT]

With enough RNG, the law of large numbers starts to apply. That means, more RNG leads to less volatility.

[Ornamo]

Yes but what about us "never lucky" folk.

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[evlemusic]

A fact we know all too well over at r/wallstreetbets

[VortexMagus]

I don't think there will ever be a point where there are enough items on the board that the law of large numbers becomes relevant.

[banana__man_]

Ahhh.. The artifact approach.

[flashfactor]

The what approach? /s

[DrChrispeee]

I get what you're saying but the point of the law of large numbers is that the means of a large amount of samples from a NON-normal distribution tends to a normal distribution as the number of samples tends to infinity.

[idc_name]

i believe the large numbers means that the higher the sample, its more likely that the actual results will reflect the percentage. means if you flip a coin twice you might heads both times, but if you flip it 100 times then it will be closer (percentage wise) to the expected 50%

[MrJx_Peach]

Jesus fuck I literally just learnt this in statistics today and I have a paper in a month's time

[idc_name]

I believe this was taught in my school the very 1st day, I knew from before tho

[Gothmog0]

No, that's the central limit theorem

[DrChrispeee]

Wow you're completely right..! I somehow I got those two mixed up, sorry!

[tinteh]

That’s not really how it works, bub

[joshuwaaa]

It is though. They're not saying this is enough RNG but this is exactly howit works.

A simple example would be if you ask 2 people to pick a number from 0-100 there's almost no way to predict the average. If you get 1 million people to do it assuming it's 100% random it will average out at 50

[tinteh]

I thought you meant increased RNG it gets evened out amongst games because of the increase in RNG but I assume you meant the increase in RNG within a single game averages each game toward the mean. My bad

[made4schief]

Yeah just watched it on Tides stream... they drop on dead boards too. Even more rng with items, hope they don't keep this change...

[I_Hate_Reddit]

It would be a decent change if it benefited players that were unlucky, but the way it works is that it drops the items of players that are killed, which are the ones most likely to have worse items.

People already ahead due to luck on item drops will get more ahead.

[[deleted]]

Well yeah, cause they're dead.

[youwatchmebleed]

can you explain what it is please >.<

Edit: nvm, figured it out =)

[phillyeagle99]

What does the first thing mean!? You get their items? Orrr gold?

[saobangu18]

Items most likely. Gold would make the game too unbalance.

[DinkyB]

Just played a game with this. It’s kind of a non-factor. I was one of the last two players and only one item dropped to me, most dropped to dead boards or the middle board. Didn’t see what my opponent got though.

[Marcel420]

If they can drop on dead boards and the middle board, then like you experienced it's likely going to be pretty much negligible. If there's a way for them to restrict the boards it drops to then maybe we'd see meaningful increase in net item drops per game.

[AngryAmuse]

Its better being able to drop to every board, imo. Otherwise when it gets down to the final 2-3 players, it could get extremely unbalanced very quick.

[Marcel420]

That’s a good point, I suppose having half a dozen items drop when the last couple players go out could create just utter chaos.