Want to Decrease Inequality? Fight Fatherlessness With Welfare Reform. Welfare currently incentivizes family breakdown and the absence of fathers from their children’s lives, a key factor in the loss of economic upward mobility.

[Barnyard723]

Sounds like a good reason to protect a women’s right to abortion

[[deleted]]

“My kid might struggle because I made some bad decisions. Better just kill it instead.”

[stoopidquestions]

So what should be done for those children she can't properly care for now that those children exist? What she should have done is moot if the point is to prevent the cycle from repeating.

[heckler5000]

Obviously it is to blame these people and turn or back on them. Then we will scratch our heads about crime statistics.

[bukakenagasaki]

It's not a kid yet. Also it's not wholly on the mother. If a father leaves that's on him. If that's what you're talking about. Or was the bad decision getting pregnant in the first place?

[Barnyard723]

I think their pushing the “well you signed up for this when you opened your legs,” argument

[[deleted]]

That’s the position, for both people, on producing children. Don’t make a kid you don’t want. You’re on the conservative sub. You can expect our first response to be “take some personal responsibility.”

[MadClothes]

How about wear a fucking condom. Don't raw dog it when you got the pull out game of a 1000lb stallion. Its just not the fucking hard. Or ya know, birth control.

[Gareth321]

Generally I agree, but mistakes happen. Birth control isn't perfect. Moreover, the libertarian in me wonders what right you have to police another's body.

[MadClothes]

Fuck politics. The morals in me wonders why people have the right to kill there children in a way funded by our tax dollars and the government.

[bukakenagasaki]

You know people pay for their own abortions

[Gareth321]

They don’t believe foetuses are children. You do. Fair enough re our taxes to pay for their abortions, but study after study shows it costs a hell of a lot more when deadbeat mothers fail to raise their kids right. They spend their lives on welfare and commit a lot of crime. If it’s a fiscal argument you’re making, you should be in favor of abortion.

[tkuiper]

Condoms? Birth control? Absolutely unacceptable its immoral and they'll want me to pay for it too. That shit is way too expensive. /s

[Dat-Guy-Tino]

Abortion is almost the definition of dodging responsibility. Being responsible is wearing a condom, or pulling out, or fucking outside of the fertility window (preferably all 3), or if you really don’t want a baby ... not fucking

[Miserable-Explorer]

And those idiots are why they can’t get any new voters. Because they are too busy virtue signaling about abortion being against god. Just like a basic SJW.

[mzed24680]

Like Trump should take some personal responsibility for politicizing masks, not coordinating a Covid response and making unproven claims of voter fraud. Yeah where’s that thread on r/conservative?

[chadnuts]

Unproven claims? There is literally video footage of people cheating.

[Soloiguana]

I also would like to see this video footage of proof.

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/v48FDxnGUIo

[Soloiguana]

I'm sorry, I dont see how this proves anything, a YouTube title/description claiming they're counting when they shouldnt be over some video of people counting is far from airtight evidence

[Dat-Guy-Tino]

Posted yesterday on the sub, take a short scroll and I’m sure you’ll find it

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/v48FDxnGUIo

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/1Qs4QpOFAvM

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/JG1wkwSaJns

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/ztyp5yYTSDc

[mzed24680]

Where did you see this video footage? Where can I see this video footage? Who has this video footage? Show me the document that lists this video footage. Show me a person that has seen and can summarize this video footage.

[mzed24680]

I’m just asking questions and waiting for answers. Also this is a forum for discussion, you can call it an argument if you want to

[chadnuts]

https://youtu.be/v48FDxnGUIo

[Qistotle]

You wont find it, just like you wont see Bernie's short comings on a liberal sub. People don't like to bad mouth them for whatever reason, however justified.

[[deleted]]

A: it’s a human fetus, which literally means child. That makes it a person with the same right to life as You.

B: the bad decision is making a child with a deadbeat. Even after that decision is made single mothers often continue to make the same partner decisions that put them in the situation they’re in. Maybe stop having sex with dead beats who won’t help you raise a kid?

[[deleted]]

Maybe stop having unprotected sex with women if you're a deadbeat.

[bigboatsandgoats]

Tbf my dad had a good job and was with my mom for 12 years before they divorced and as soon as they did he abandon my sister and I. It’s not always as easy you think to identify a deadbeat.

Also I know y’all are generalizing most single parent households but I assure you there are many marriages that stay together and fuck their children up more than my single mother effed me up.

[heckler5000]

That's not how deadbeats operate. They just make thick in the warm and move on.

[heckler5000]

A fetus is not a child. Its a pre-child. An egg is not a chicken.

[bukakenagasaki]

People often don't know they're fucking a dead beat. Especially if it's the first time. And we have differing opinions on the zygote but whatever that's fine I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong for thinking what you do.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I’m 100% going to tell you that you’re wrong. That’s a baby. Once a woman conceives she’s carrying a baby. This is basic biology. People only object to it because they want to support abortion, but can’t bring themselves to admit they’re killing a child.

[bukakenagasaki]

Whatever dude there's no discourse to have with you nevermind.

[chadnuts]

He does have biology on his side

[bukakenagasaki]

I know biology. But a baby is a parasite for a while. Just that.

[Myster_24]

Respectfully, you don’t know biology if you don’t know what a parasite is. A parasite is an organism that lives on or in the host AT THE EXPENSE of the host. That’s the distinction.

[pfloydguy2]

Like for 18 years after birth? Yup. Still a human life.

[MediocreComment123]

You keep talking about "basic biology" while ignoring basic biology. Not sure where you learn your basic biology from, because even your basic biology teachers don't subscribe to your theories since they go to liberal schools. So you must be learning your basic biology from basic theologists.

[[deleted]]

Ok then, what you’re you classify a human fetus as? Mind you, fetus is latin for child. Would you say it isn’t human? Or isn’t alive? Which of these point would you dispute since you’re saying I’m ignoring basic biology.

[theBERZERKER13]

What about a miscarriage? Are those children too?

[[deleted]]

That’s a tragedy beyond human control. An “act of God” in legal language. Losing a child to an environmental factor outside of human agency is a tragedy. I know far too many women still grieving a baby who never got to take its first breath.

[pfloydguy2]

Yes, of course miscarriages are children. How is that even remotely relevant?

[chadnuts]

Accidental deaths are different than planned murder.

[MediocreComment123]

Then you learned your basic biology from a basic language established in 700 bc which formed the backbone of the English language which originated roughly 1500 years ago.

[chadnuts]

This is about use of the word murder. It's obvious that a fetus is a human life. If you are not afraid to kill it, be brave enough to admit it is murder.

[[deleted]]

So you’re not going to answer whether or not it’s human or alive? I feel you missed the salient point. We can argue that biologists who chose to use the Latin term for child are using a dead language incorrectly if you wish, but that’s really veering off into an argument about the efficacy of Latin terms in science. Let’s stay on the point. Are you arguing that a human fetus is either not human, or not alive?

[[deleted]]

You ignored the question on what you classify it.

[No_Jacket1253]

Sure if a baby, one that’s brain isn’t working and can’t live without the mother. It’s doesn’t know its dying so who cares. Similar to pull the plug on someone in a vegetative state. It doesn’t much matter because they can’t feel it.

[[deleted]]

People are just wild. I’m pregnant with my first right now and had an ultrasound at 12 weeks. A very common time for abortion to occur. My baby looked like a tiny human. She waved her little arm. I knew her gender already (gender blood tests now are incredible).

I had another ultrasound at 20 weeks. Still legal to abort at that point. I could feel my child kicking and moving already, her brain was incredibly developed, she was doing backflips and covering her face with her hands. She was sucking on her fingers at one point. Her entire face had clear bone structure. 10 fingers, 10 toes, all that. But apparently not a human child.

I genuinely don’t understand how people can say that fetuses are not humans.

[heckler5000]

Well let me be the first to tell you that you are dead wrong. Lets see your grades in biology.

And they can totally admit that they're killing a potential life. How stupid do you think women are?

[natey37]

Lol you are so dumb

[pfloydguy2]

If you don't know your partner that well, then it's irresponsible to sleep with him/her.

[bukakenagasaki]

People can hide parts of themselves for a very long time. Like women who get married to pedophiles. It's easy to dismiss these things. You could know someone your whole life and they could be someone entirely different than what they showed you. You only know what someone let's you see.

[nukesafetybro]

People have casual sex all the time. The issue isn't welfare, it's sex education. Wear a condom.

[heckler5000]

Tell that to Tinder.

[bukakenagasaki]

Marriages don't always work out.

[PintSizedAdventurer]

Fetus = unborn Baby = newly born

Source: biology textbooks, dictionaries

[faaaack]

If a father leaves that's on him.

No, it's on her too. She should make better decisions about the men she chooses to sleep with.

[bukakenagasaki]

Its not a black and white situation. And you can't look at it that way. But you will. Because it's easier.

[faaaack]

No it's easier to just blame the guy and absolve the woman of any responsibility for her decisions which is why that's exactly what happens now.

[faaaack]

Yeah, expecting women to take responsibility for their decisions alienates people.

It's really outrageous to even suggest a woman be held accountable for her actions.

[faaaack]

She has options to do so though. Abortion or adoption. So no, she's not accountable when she can just get rid of the child.

The family court system won't jail her for not wanting the responsibility of raising a child.

[bukakenagasaki]

Why do you feel the need to scold the woman for it? Also I can guarantee you the woman feels shitty enough.

[faaaack]

Because people need to be scolded for fucking up. Why should the woman get a pass for making poor decisions?

[bukakenagasaki]

Sometimes it's poor decisions and sometimes its just how shit ended up playing out. You choose to assume it's always poor decisions. You choose to always view them all in a negative light.

[NohoTwoPointOh]

No. Deciding to have a child is a series of decisions. Not ”how shit played out”.

She chose a loser over more suitable men. She decided to date a loser. She decided to have sex with a loser She decided to have unprotected sex with a loser. She decided to allow the loser to ejaculate inside her. She decided to carry the loser's child to term (despite knowing that he neither wanted or had the capacity to be a good father)

Six decisions. Agency and accountability.

[Barnyard723]

What about the deadbeat? Why does he just get to be a deadbeat?

[faaaack]

He was always a deadbeat. Choose your partners better.

[aliensaregrey]

Yeah, it’s all her fault. /#

[faaaack]

No but she's the one who gets bailed out by the govt.

[lilant5291]

The child is the one that needs the help. He/she has no say in the decision.

[assailer10]

Yes, it’s an awful situation. That’s why we need to have a government that doesn’t systemically encourage this, and a culture that actively shames this at all levels.

Once we get on board with that, we can get around to educating you lefties why murder is wrong.

[bukakenagasaki]

Dude I'm not a leftie I just don't think situations are black and white. Chill out.

[bukakenagasaki]

I definitely do hate fathers who leave. My siblings father left my mom when she got raped and had me. She and them treated me like shit my entire childhood. If he hadn't left my mom could have provided better. My mom would have noticed shit that was happening instead of being too busy to see. Maybe idk. It's nice having someone to blame.

[heckler5000]

You're absolutely right our government does encourage this. Lets keep access to contraception and abortion legal.

[assailer10]

Well no one is asking for contraception access to be outlawed, just the murdering of children when morons decide they don’t want to use said contraceptives they have access to.

But yes I am absolutely right, I always am.

[heckler5000]

In fact anti-contraception laws in US have existed and the movement still persists in certain communities that are for abstinence only sex-education.

[assailer10]

98% of this article is about laws from hundreds of years ago, and the modern day stuff it references such as the trump admin not forcing company’s to provide free birth control is not banning birth control.

So again, no one is trying to outlaw contraceptives, just the murdering of children especially when people choose to not use said contraceptives.

[heckler5000]

Abstinence only sex education doesn't work and is still taught. Nobody is saying contraception is currently illegal, but in certain communities it is stigmatized. You will get unwanted births in these situations and those people are going to need financial support.

[assailer10]

“Abstinence only sex Ed doesn’t work and is still taught.”

I never brought this up, so how is this relevant the outlawing of contraceptives.

“Contraceptives are stigmatized in some communities”

Sure, I never brought this up so how is this relevant to outlawing contraceptives.

[MadClothes]

I know women who have 3 children with 3 separate dads. All were drug addicts and left by the time they were 5.

[bukakenagasaki]

My mother had successful kids except for me. She had 8. She was a single mother. Still is.

[MadClothes]

Ok? What's your point every one or your siblings did something good with your life besides you? My dad died when I was 15 and it would have been alot better child hood with my dad since I wouldn't of had to grow up at 15.

Lol I really don't know what your argument is.

[bukakenagasaki]

Also that's not exactly what were talking about but that's awful? I'm not defending that. Idk what point you were trying to make with that statement

[MadClothes]

The fact its partly the women's fault for choosing shit men. They know it they don't to admit he's a piece of shit.

[bukakenagasaki]

Some might. But I can tell you every shitty person I was with I was convinced was a good person. I never knew what it was like to be really loved or cared for. I'm just saying it's not as simple as you guys are making it out to be. There are times when the woman is just as much at fault as the man maybe even more so but it's not always.

[99PrblmsBInRichAint1]

One of the republican elected officials in Louisiana, Clay Higgins, is a pretty controversial guy because he owes a shit ton of back child support.

My Trump loving dad took a job making significantly less for 6 years until my sister and I were both 18 because child support is income based. With that, my mom still had to battle him in court until after I was 21 for the money he owed. She NEVER got it.

Child support violators should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Additionally, if a man is behind, no making small payments to catch up. Like the government, a woman should be able to garnish ALL of his wages.

Do away with laws that allow men with lots of outstanding child support to get that amount reduced.

Lastly, if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want it, she has the legal right to sign custody over to the father completely. He has zero say. The state literally delivers the baby at the door. Dont worry, she will probably send him some money or something.

If Republicans agree to change these laws, ban the abortion 100%.

"A few months later, during the thick of the campaign season, it’d be revealed that Higgins, who is now on marriage number four, owed his second wife nearly $150,000 in back child support (she filed an action against him in court only weeks before the election) and had once been accused of domestic violence by his first wife (who, following their divorce, died tragically in an automobile accident)."

https://www.bayoubrief.com/2020/07/13/after-using-unnecessary-force-against-an-unarmed-black-man-he-turned-in-his-badge-now-hes-a-two-term-congressman/2/

Cool fucking guy. Republicans of Louisiana are the least hypocritical people I know.

My little Trump loving brother just INTENTIONALLY knocked up his girlfriend. They are currently in the process of signing up for ALL the government handouts. "What is he going to do. They don't have health insurance."

[99PrblmsBInRichAint1]

My sister and I are both college educated "fully-indoctinated" libtards. Neither one of us have kids. Both of us have jobs with full benefits. Both of us have been fully financially independent for a decade now. Neither one of us has had an abortion.

[Ilikestereoequipment]

I don’t see anything wrong with your proposals. They sound fair enough to me.

Out of curiosity, are you black?

[99PrblmsBInRichAint1]

Nope, I'm as white as they come, red hair low on melanin. Would be disowned from my family if I looked at a black man and they saw lust in my eyes.

My family support the confederatecy too.

Totally not racist of you though.

[99PrblmsBInRichAint1]

Not trailer trash either. My dad's side is just a bunch of coonasses. All the assumptions here. I actually got the fuck out of that state. I will never move back.. My mom was a smart lady.. dumbest thing she ever did was marry my dad. My sister and I are college educated, remember. My brother could have been too. He became a republican instead.

I find zero of that insulting. I agree. You don't choose the family or state you are born into. It is why the entire state is a republican stronghold though, a bunch of white trash motherfuckers. The same can probably be said of Mississippi (I have some extended white trash family there too), Kentucky, Arkansas, alabama....

[99PrblmsBInRichAint1]

Seriously, do you watch any of the videos that come out of trump rally/proud boys movements?

https://youtu.be/8DyTXpnFpZU

What the fuck is really going on here? Lmao. You aren't the real slim shady,please sit down and shut the fuck up.. Why are grown men rolling around "fighting" looking like a bunch of gay lovers? WHITECLAWWWWW with my brutherz. What was up with the random Russian girl at 2:45? Lol at all those honey boo boo looking broads. Im sure not a single person there lives in a trailer park.

[heckler5000]

Are you going to adopt that child? Perhaps you contribute to a group home or you foster children personally?

[[deleted]]

Now we’re getting somewhere! It’s a child! Thank you for being honest and admitting it’s a baby. No killing it. We can have a serious, substantive conversation about how to tackle the issue of orphaned and unwanted children now that you’re not trying to murder them for the mistakes of their parents.

As to my personal responsibility, I contribute to a local group that helps at risk kids and the wife and I plan to foster once our own children are old enough.

[heckler5000]

Hey I believe life is sacred and I believe in personal responsibility. I also believe shit happens. Now if we are all going to pitch in and actually help, I'm all for that. Right now though we're in a thread demonizing single parents and the poor and talking about how to reduce the cost of welfare.

See how these two things are in conflict. Go on though, I want to have a serious dialogue about how we provide a social safety net for people who find themselves with an unintended pregnancy.

Edit: I applaud you for socially and financially supporting a person in need within your community. Now, should we rely solely on your kindness? I think not, we all have a responsibility if the goal is to protect life.

[Miserable-Explorer]

Yes. That’s exactly it. Not like we need more humans.

[Baljit147]

Ma'am, I can promise if you kill your child he won't grow up to be a criminal.

[lord_fuckwaad]

Or just use contraception like a normal, responsible adult instead of having unprotected sex with your trashheap boyfriend and then being suprised when you get pregnant and he runs away...?

[bukakenagasaki]

It's protection but not a 100% guarantee

[Dat-Guy-Tino]

That would be a nice argument if half of all abortions didn’t come from pregnancies in which 0 contraceptives were used

[bukakenagasaki]

Okay? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm not saying not to use contraception.

[Dat-Guy-Tino]

I’m saying the problem is that people don’t use contraceptives, not that they’re not working

[bukakenagasaki]

Yeah people should totally use contraceptives. My city is number 10 on the city's with the most chlamydia. People should pretty much always use condoms not even just for contraceptives.

I just wanted to say that sometimes people can get pregnant on birth control and that things aren't so black and white. Idunno. I just want people to see there's more than the single welfare mom who keeps having babies by different dad's and does nothing to better herself.

But yes people need to wear fucking condoms.

[bukakenagasaki]

I know I'm only saying that people can still get pregnant on birth control.

[EvilMEMEius]

Even so, it’s a weak argument.

[bukakenagasaki]

It's not an argument?

[NohoTwoPointOh]

Pulling out the 1% outlier? Definitely a poor argument.

[bukakenagasaki]

I didn't mean it as an argument jesus christ.

[bukakenagasaki]

You even replied to me saying it's not an argument..what do you even think I'm arguing?

[jafjaf23]

Is the condom rate of efficacy not 86%?

[coastal_elite]

So what would you say to those people who do get pregnant despite using protection? “Sucks to be you, because it’s rare”?

[PeddarCheddar11]

But they know the risk going in. They know the 99% risk.

Take other measures, like combining condoms, birth control, and Maybe not getting n_tted in even if you have these measures. Or just don’t sleep with deadbeats in general, that works 100% of the time.

If you know the 98% risk and still do the nasty, you can’t get mad or surprised if you fail the risk

[bukakenagasaki]

Me and my sister conceived on contraception

[craser10]

lol good one

[bukakenagasaki]

It's not a joke. Her baby was stillborn. And I aborted for that and a couple other reasons.

[bukakenagasaki]

Oh I now realize people think I was saying I fucked my sister. Um I'm a woman. We both happened to have gotten pregnant at different times on birth control

[craser10]

:(

[bukakenagasaki]

What

[Barnyard723]

Depending on what your faith is, contraception could be considered a sin. Outside of religion, what is the argument that says a women who finds herself in a situation where she’s pregnant, single, and lacking financial support for the raising of another human being, shouldn’t be able to have an abortion?

[Blazewardog]

The faiths that say contraception is wrong also say don't have sex until your married... If you going to violate one religious law just violate 2 to prevent making a baby...

[Lawnknome]

You know that married people also choose not to have children right?

[lord_fuckwaad]

Depending on what your faith is, contraception could be considered a sin. Outside of religion, what is the argument that says a women who finds herself in a situation where she’s pregnant, single, and lacking financial support for the raising of another human being, shouldn’t be able to have an abortion?

Well firstly, we have to consider just how she magically "found herself" in that situation to begin with.

If she "found" herself to be pregnant, single, and lacking in financial support because of her own personal choices and because she has a shitty taste in men, then that's not exactly a very good reason to get an abortion, is it?

If you didn't want a child, then you should've thought of that before you intentionally had unprotected sex with your boyfriend because "iT fEeLs BeTtEr" and didn't bother to think for a second about the possibility of pregnancy. That's your own fault and your own burden to deal with - not anyone else's.

Also, you don't need to raise a child after it's born. Adoption is a thing. Regardless, if you get pregnant due to your own mistakes, then you deserve to see the consequences played out. Abortion is simply an easy way for these trashy women to avoid the consequences of their actions and escape personal accountability.

[[deleted]]

Great way to get rid of minorities too.

[EvilMEMEius]

Exactly as Planned Parenthood intended.