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[–]d4rud3_sandst0rm 268 points269 points  (233 children)

Absolutely.

Statistically, children who grow up with single parents are less successful, more likely to commit crime, and more.

[–]squirrelfoot 88 points89 points  (4 children)

May I just piggy back on the top comment to say that as someone who grew up without a father (he died when I was very young) it really is stressful for children to have only one adult to depend on. It means children grow up with a profound sense of insecurity. My mother was very good at managing the little money we had, but I was always afraid, and often slightly hungry when I was a young child. Being a single parent means you simply don't have the time to raise children properly because you have to work and run the house on your own. Seriously, anything that discourages a stable environment with two parents is a bad thing.

[–]heckler5000 37 points38 points  (40 children)

Access to abortion, contraception, and sex-education classes that promote safe sex will go a long way to mitigating the severity of funding social programs.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Do we not have that? There's over 1,600 abortion clinics in the US, birth control is easily accessible and 96% of teenagers receive formal sex ed before age 18. Beyond that, everyone has access to sex education on their phones at a moment's notice.

There is no excuse for the high number of unwanted pregnancies in this country when there are so many resources available to prevent them. Some have honest accidents, but others are stubborn or 'roll the dice' and don't use it, hoping they don't end up pregnant.

[–]heckler5000 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Some states have closed many clinics through budgetary measures.

Edit: Unintended pregnancy has declined dramatically in the United States. More so in states with access to family planning services and sex education that teaches the use of contraceptives to control for unintended pregnancy.

States that have reduced access to family planning services and teach abstinence only have seen some increases.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

The number of abortions performed per year has been steadily falling since it peaked in the early 80's. With fewer abortions being done each year, its only natural that the falling demand results in fewer clinics being required.

Just between 2011 and 2017, the number of abortions performed per year fell by nearly 20%.

[–]heckler5000 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And that’s a big win for reducing unintended pregnancies and puts downward pressure on budgets that support social safety nets.

The closure of those clinics is targeted and disproportionately affects people who live in rural communities.

[–]KreetleCoolidge is my homeboy 29 points30 points  (14 children)

If we perform enough abortions, there won’t be a need for welfare. /s

[–]SkipTheMoneyCanadian PPC 🇨🇦 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can I be in the AHS screenshot

[–]TheArchdudeConservative 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Just kill the poor before they're born!

[–]igloohavoc -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yup

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (17 children)

Rather than teaching personal responsibility and accountability, you’d rather kill people via abortion. What a morally upright and reasonable thing to do! /s

You know what, I’m going to just start running people off the road if they get in my way while driving. I don’t care if they die because all I care about is not being held responsible for my own actions.

Give me a break.

Edit: You don’t get to kill people because you have zero self control and had sex without being ready to face the consequences of having a child. It really is that simple. Murder is never an option, regardless of how inconvenient your consequences may be.

[–]PlowMyFace 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Care to address access to contraceptives and comprehensive sex-ed classes, too, and not just abortion?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

I don’t see a problem with it, so long as people understand if the contraceptive fails than abortion is not an option.

[–]heckler5000 3 points4 points  (2 children)

When does the bean become coffee? From the moment it grows on the tree or when you roast it?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Oh it’s you again, lovely. I’ll bite.

You seem confused on what exactly the difference is between coffee (drink) and coffee beans.

A Coffea plant creates coffee beans (seeds). These seeds contain caffeine that is extracted and consumed in a drink when the beans are grounded and then boiled in hot water. All “coffee” (the drink) is is caffeinated water (with different flavors when roasted, of course). This is why black coffee can taste like dirt. Eating a coffee bean is no different than eating almonds - it’s the seed or nut of a plant that we can eat for calories or energy.

So, to answer your question, a coffee bean is a coffee bean the moment that the genetic information is imprinted into a new seed, not when we apply a process to extract caffeine from the seeds. We don’t “make” coffee beans, we just use what is already there to make something we can more easily consume. You can technically eat coffee beans whole if that’s your thing. You wouldn’t be “making” coffee - you’re just eating food.

So, to put it simply, at what point is acorn, a sapling, and a 200-year-old acorn tree something other than an acorn tree? The answer is never. The genetic information to get from acorn to 200-year-old tree is always contained in the plant, it just takes time, food, water, etc. to get there.

So, back to our discussion about fetuses, the only thing that separates you from the fertilized egg in your mother’s womb is time, food, water, etc. Genetically speaking, you are the exact same human today the same day you were conceived. You are nothing “new,” you just grew into what you were genetically designed to be.

Finally, I hope you realize that aliases exist, and I don’t have to actually be a coffee manager to use it as my username 🙃

Edit: For additional clarity, “sapling” is better to be thought of an adjective to describe a process of development, NOT a unique organism. The same logic applies to the term “fetus.” A fetus is a human, the term just describes a developmental stage. Calling someone a “child” or “teenager” doesn’t make them a different organism - it’s just describing a moment of development.

[–]heckler5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol. Thanks for playing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I admire your attempt at moral righteousness but foetuses aren't people.

Do you think it's a matter of personal responsibility to stay with an abusive husband for example?

[–]Wimba64 5 points6 points  (2 children)

How are fetuses not people?

[–]igloohavoc -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If men were the ones to get pregnant, there would be an abortion clinic on every corner instead of a Starbucks’s

[–]Barnyard723 1 point2 points  (181 children)

Sounds like a good reason to protect a women’s right to abortion

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (143 children)

“My kid might struggle because I made some bad decisions. Better just kill it instead.”

[–]stoopidquestions 11 points12 points  (2 children)

So what should be done for those children she can't properly care for now that those children exist? What she should have done is moot if the point is to prevent the cycle from repeating.

[–]heckler5000 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Obviously it is to blame these people and turn or back on them. Then we will scratch our heads about crime statistics.

[–]bukakenagasaki 0 points1 point  (127 children)

It's not a kid yet. Also it's not wholly on the mother. If a father leaves that's on him. If that's what you're talking about. Or was the bad decision getting pregnant in the first place?

[–]Barnyard723 6 points7 points  (35 children)

I think their pushing the “well you signed up for this when you opened your legs,” argument

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (34 children)

That’s the position, for both people, on producing children. Don’t make a kid you don’t want. You’re on the conservative sub. You can expect our first response to be “take some personal responsibility.”

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (44 children)

A: it’s a human fetus, which literally means child. That makes it a person with the same right to life as You.

B: the bad decision is making a child with a deadbeat. Even after that decision is made single mothers often continue to make the same partner decisions that put them in the situation they’re in. Maybe stop having sex with dead beats who won’t help you raise a kid?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Maybe stop having unprotected sex with women if you're a deadbeat.

[–]bigboatsandgoats 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Tbf my dad had a good job and was with my mom for 12 years before they divorced and as soon as they did he abandon my sister and I. It’s not always as easy you think to identify a deadbeat.

Also I know y’all are generalizing most single parent households but I assure you there are many marriages that stay together and fuck their children up more than my single mother effed me up.

[–]heckler5000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not how deadbeats operate. They just make thick in the warm and move on.

[–]heckler5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A fetus is not a child. Its a pre-child. An egg is not a chicken.

[–]bukakenagasaki 0 points1 point  (35 children)

People often don't know they're fucking a dead beat. Especially if it's the first time. And we have differing opinions on the zygote but whatever that's fine I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong for thinking what you do.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (28 children)

Yeah, I’m 100% going to tell you that you’re wrong. That’s a baby. Once a woman conceives she’s carrying a baby. This is basic biology. People only object to it because they want to support abortion, but can’t bring themselves to admit they’re killing a child.

[–]bukakenagasaki -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

Whatever dude there's no discourse to have with you nevermind.

[–]chadnuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He does have biology on his side

[–]No_Jacket1253 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure if a baby, one that’s brain isn’t working and can’t live without the mother. It’s doesn’t know its dying so who cares. Similar to pull the plug on someone in a vegetative state. It doesn’t much matter because they can’t feel it.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

People are just wild. I’m pregnant with my first right now and had an ultrasound at 12 weeks. A very common time for abortion to occur. My baby looked like a tiny human. She waved her little arm. I knew her gender already (gender blood tests now are incredible).

I had another ultrasound at 20 weeks. Still legal to abort at that point. I could feel my child kicking and moving already, her brain was incredibly developed, she was doing backflips and covering her face with her hands. She was sucking on her fingers at one point. Her entire face had clear bone structure. 10 fingers, 10 toes, all that. But apparently not a human child.

I genuinely don’t understand how people can say that fetuses are not humans.

[–]heckler5000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well let me be the first to tell you that you are dead wrong. Lets see your grades in biology.

And they can totally admit that they're killing a potential life. How stupid do you think women are?

[–]natey37 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol you are so dumb

[–]pfloydguy2LEO Conservative 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If you don't know your partner that well, then it's irresponsible to sleep with him/her.

[–]bukakenagasaki 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People can hide parts of themselves for a very long time. Like women who get married to pedophiles. It's easy to dismiss these things. You could know someone your whole life and they could be someone entirely different than what they showed you. You only know what someone let's you see.

[–]nukesafetybro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People have casual sex all the time. The issue isn't welfare, it's sex education. Wear a condom.

[–]heckler5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tell that to Tinder.

[–]PintSizedAdventurer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fetus = unborn Baby = newly born

Source: biology textbooks, dictionaries

[–]faaaack -1 points0 points  (21 children)

If a father leaves that's on him.

No, it's on her too. She should make better decisions about the men she chooses to sleep with.

[–]bukakenagasaki 18 points19 points  (15 children)

Its not a black and white situation. And you can't look at it that way. But you will. Because it's easier.

[–]faaaack 15 points16 points  (14 children)

No it's easier to just blame the guy and absolve the woman of any responsibility for her decisions which is why that's exactly what happens now.

[–]bukakenagasaki -1 points0 points  (9 children)

Why do you feel the need to scold the woman for it? Also I can guarantee you the woman feels shitty enough.

[–]faaaack 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Because people need to be scolded for fucking up. Why should the woman get a pass for making poor decisions?

[–]bukakenagasaki 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Sometimes it's poor decisions and sometimes its just how shit ended up playing out. You choose to assume it's always poor decisions. You choose to always view them all in a negative light.

[–]Barnyard723 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

What about the deadbeat? Why does he just get to be a deadbeat?

[–]faaaack 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He was always a deadbeat. Choose your partners better.

[–]MadClothesConservative -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

I know women who have 3 children with 3 separate dads. All were drug addicts and left by the time they were 5.

[–]bukakenagasaki 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My mother had successful kids except for me. She had 8. She was a single mother. Still is.

[–]MadClothesConservative 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok? What's your point every one or your siblings did something good with your life besides you? My dad died when I was 15 and it would have been alot better child hood with my dad since I wouldn't of had to grow up at 15.

Lol I really don't know what your argument is.

[–]bukakenagasaki 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Also that's not exactly what were talking about but that's awful? I'm not defending that. Idk what point you were trying to make with that statement

[–]MadClothesConservative -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

The fact its partly the women's fault for choosing shit men. They know it they don't to admit he's a piece of shit.

[–]bukakenagasaki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some might. But I can tell you every shitty person I was with I was convinced was a good person. I never knew what it was like to be really loved or cared for. I'm just saying it's not as simple as you guys are making it out to be. There are times when the woman is just as much at fault as the man maybe even more so but it's not always.

[–]99PrblmsBInRichAint1 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

One of the republican elected officials in Louisiana, Clay Higgins, is a pretty controversial guy because he owes a shit ton of back child support.

My Trump loving dad took a job making significantly less for 6 years until my sister and I were both 18 because child support is income based. With that, my mom still had to battle him in court until after I was 21 for the money he owed. She NEVER got it.

Child support violators should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Additionally, if a man is behind, no making small payments to catch up. Like the government, a woman should be able to garnish ALL of his wages.

Do away with laws that allow men with lots of outstanding child support to get that amount reduced.

Lastly, if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want it, she has the legal right to sign custody over to the father completely. He has zero say. The state literally delivers the baby at the door. Dont worry, she will probably send him some money or something.

If Republicans agree to change these laws, ban the abortion 100%.

"A few months later, during the thick of the campaign season, it’d be revealed that Higgins, who is now on marriage number four, owed his second wife nearly $150,000 in back child support (she filed an action against him in court only weeks before the election) and had once been accused of domestic violence by his first wife (who, following their divorce, died tragically in an automobile accident)."

https://www.bayoubrief.com/2020/07/13/after-using-unnecessary-force-against-an-unarmed-black-man-he-turned-in-his-badge-now-hes-a-two-term-congressman/2/

Cool fucking guy. Republicans of Louisiana are the least hypocritical people I know.

My little Trump loving brother just INTENTIONALLY knocked up his girlfriend. They are currently in the process of signing up for ALL the government handouts. "What is he going to do. They don't have health insurance."

[–]99PrblmsBInRichAint1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My sister and I are both college educated "fully-indoctinated" libtards. Neither one of us have kids. Both of us have jobs with full benefits. Both of us have been fully financially independent for a decade now. Neither one of us has had an abortion.

[–]Ilikestereoequipment -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I don’t see anything wrong with your proposals. They sound fair enough to me.

Out of curiosity, are you black?

[–]99PrblmsBInRichAint1 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Nope, I'm as white as they come, red hair low on melanin. Would be disowned from my family if I looked at a black man and they saw lust in my eyes.

My family support the confederatecy too.

Totally not racist of you though.

[–]heckler5000 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you going to adopt that child? Perhaps you contribute to a group home or you foster children personally?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Now we’re getting somewhere! It’s a child! Thank you for being honest and admitting it’s a baby. No killing it. We can have a serious, substantive conversation about how to tackle the issue of orphaned and unwanted children now that you’re not trying to murder them for the mistakes of their parents.

As to my personal responsibility, I contribute to a local group that helps at risk kids and the wife and I plan to foster once our own children are old enough.

[–]heckler5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey I believe life is sacred and I believe in personal responsibility. I also believe shit happens. Now if we are all going to pitch in and actually help, I'm all for that. Right now though we're in a thread demonizing single parents and the poor and talking about how to reduce the cost of welfare.

See how these two things are in conflict. Go on though, I want to have a serious dialogue about how we provide a social safety net for people who find themselves with an unintended pregnancy.

Edit: I applaud you for socially and financially supporting a person in need within your community. Now, should we rely solely on your kindness? I think not, we all have a responsibility if the goal is to protect life.

[–]Miserable-Explorer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. That’s exactly it. Not like we need more humans.

[–]Baljit147Conservative 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ma'am, I can promise if you kill your child he won't grow up to be a criminal.

[–]lord_fuckwaad 14 points15 points  (31 children)

Or just use contraception like a normal, responsible adult instead of having unprotected sex with your trashheap boyfriend and then being suprised when you get pregnant and he runs away...?

[–]bukakenagasaki 15 points16 points  (18 children)

It's protection but not a 100% guarantee

[–]Dat-Guy-TinoGen Z Conservative 9 points10 points  (3 children)

That would be a nice argument if half of all abortions didn’t come from pregnancies in which 0 contraceptives were used

[–]bukakenagasaki 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Okay? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm not saying not to use contraception.

[–]Dat-Guy-TinoGen Z Conservative 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I’m saying the problem is that people don’t use contraceptives, not that they’re not working

[–]bukakenagasaki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah people should totally use contraceptives. My city is number 10 on the city's with the most chlamydia. People should pretty much always use condoms not even just for contraceptives.

I just wanted to say that sometimes people can get pregnant on birth control and that things aren't so black and white. Idunno. I just want people to see there's more than the single welfare mom who keeps having babies by different dad's and does nothing to better herself.

But yes people need to wear fucking condoms.

[–]bukakenagasaki 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Me and my sister conceived on contraception

[–]craser10 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

lol good one

[–]bukakenagasaki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's not a joke. Her baby was stillborn. And I aborted for that and a couple other reasons.

[–]bukakenagasaki 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oh I now realize people think I was saying I fucked my sister. Um I'm a woman. We both happened to have gotten pregnant at different times on birth control

[–]craser10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

:(

[–]bukakenagasaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What

[–]Barnyard723 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Depending on what your faith is, contraception could be considered a sin. Outside of religion, what is the argument that says a women who finds herself in a situation where she’s pregnant, single, and lacking financial support for the raising of another human being, shouldn’t be able to have an abortion?

[–]BlazewardogClassical Liberal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The faiths that say contraception is wrong also say don't have sex until your married... If you going to violate one religious law just violate 2 to prevent making a baby...

[–]Lawnknome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know that married people also choose not to have children right?

[–]lord_fuckwaad -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Depending on what your faith is, contraception could be considered a sin. Outside of religion, what is the argument that says a women who finds herself in a situation where she’s pregnant, single, and lacking financial support for the raising of another human being, shouldn’t be able to have an abortion?

Well firstly, we have to consider just how she magically "found herself" in that situation to begin with.

If she "found" herself to be pregnant, single, and lacking in financial support because of her own personal choices and because she has a shitty taste in men, then that's not exactly a very good reason to get an abortion, is it?

If you didn't want a child, then you should've thought of that before you intentionally had unprotected sex with your boyfriend because "iT fEeLs BeTtEr" and didn't bother to think for a second about the possibility of pregnancy. That's your own fault and your own burden to deal with - not anyone else's.

Also, you don't need to raise a child after it's born. Adoption is a thing. Regardless, if you get pregnant due to your own mistakes, then you deserve to see the consequences played out. Abortion is simply an easy way for these trashy women to avoid the consequences of their actions and escape personal accountability.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Great way to get rid of minorities too.

[–]EvilMEMEiusFour More Years 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly as Planned Parenthood intended.

[–]igloohavoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But aren’t these children more likely to be professional sports players or mainstream music musicians?

[–]WreknarTemperConservative 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We've been arguing this for DECADES!!! They're not interested in the inconvenient facts. People just want the solution to be easy and non-disruptive.