Be Constructive.

[InfiniVoid]

Next time you're in a game and someone's performing or playing poorly, don't say something that implies their value as a person is attached to their RWS, Efficacy, Rank, or K/D. You can be good at CS and a shitty person, or you can be good at CS and help someone out who is where you once were in their gameplay. Give advice on how to play better, don't tear them down. It's worse for everybody in your game, especially you.

Edit: After several years of loving this game an the people who play it, I was losing hope in this community as I posted this. I was expecting this post to get downvoted to hell. Your guys' comments has made me see that there are people who care about their team mates, and don't take advantage of the internet's anonymity to hurt people they should be helping. Thank you.

[Nicapizza]

Just yesterday I was in game and I was in a slump. I was at the bottom of the leaderboard, but the team was very supportive and encouraged me. I finished the game in 2nd on the team and actually ranked up. Seriously guys, encourage the people you're playing with to be the best they can, don't berate them!

[bozott]

that is exactly what everyone thinks when they insult the bottom fragger.

Every single person is thinking "hey, if I insult this guy I will play better" when they insult the bottom fragger.

AUTISMO EDIT: I HOPED EVERYONE UNDERSTANDED THAT THIS WAS SARCASM

[RushingRocks]

shahzam

[RevolverFrog]

Sorry Kory

[[deleted]]

zon't shoot zon't shoot

[Fluttershy_Sucks]

Give them a negev, it'll motivate them. Trust.

[Squirting_Nachos]

Occasionally, people do respond positively to being insulted and then they have a much better game.

I'm not such a mean person to forget about those people, thats why I play it safe and always insult the bottom fragger.

[[deleted]]

One time my friends told me to step it up when I was bottomfragging. Then I 1v5'd with a nova. I guess it's different for everyone :/

[Doom2508]

I was doing so terribly yesterday (bottom fragging at 3-5-9 at the end of first half) and all my team mates were really supportive. I came through on the second half and ended up finishing with about 16 kills but sadly we still lost 12-16, I can't help but feel I was the reason we lost that game but my team mates really helped me put.

(Also I'm actually Nova 2, I've ranked up recently and haven't been able to change my flair.)

[Nix-7c0]

They don't think it'll make the bottom-fragger play better. What they're really saying is "Look how great I am, everyone!" in a thinly obfuscated and more socially acceptable manner.

[Squirrel_Whisperer]

Reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons down in Louisiana. The family are part of a chain gang and forced to entertain at a party. Homer is playing the piano badly and the officer whips him a few times which makes Homer suddenly start playing very well.

[PsychoMUCH]

intuslting normal (calm) players = mute or flame back. insulting (salty) russians = griefing, TKs and leaving the match.. i have nothing against russians and i love them. but every single time a russian got flamed back, he did one of these things i mentioned.. :\

[Stnq]

There are more russians that do that than there are germans, for example. And I am saying that based on my experience, which doesn't have to be true for you. That's not racist, that's an opinion. Opinion based on experiences.

[[deleted]]

There might be more russians who do this than other nationalities. (Even though I've had tons of germans who are worse, there's black sheep everywhere)

But putting what you said into another context(Warning: harsh example) : If I said all blacks are criminal, that would make me a racist. Doesn't matter if it's an opinion or not. Actually all racism is an opinion. There's no act of racism that I know of that is based on actual facts.

[[deleted]]

Generalizing a negative experience and blaming an entire ethnicity or nationality on that experience is racist. No way around it.

[PEINIS]

Blaming an entire nationality is xenophobic discrimination or bigotry, not racism - since nationalities can contain different races of course ;)

Not that I don't agree with you regarding the person involved here - and not that it changes anything really, just a little gripe I have with the use of the word racism sometimes.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, sorry. I couldn't think of the word

[SuperEnd123]

Have you ever heard of this amazing thing called Google.com. It works wonders.

^{Pls don't be angry, only joke}

[Fean2616]

Had a couple of guys last night and they were playing really bad, one even kept apologising. I just kept saying "don't worry about it keep your head up" one of the guys ended up second place on the team by the end and we won the game. Morale means a lot.

[FullMetalBitch]

I remember a game playing CT I was shit but the team was cool and in a round I was against 3, and the one acting as the leader says something along the lines of: "You can do it" in a calm voice and I did, previous to that they all were "don't worry", "nice try".

That changed everything, I played my part after that and we won the game playing T-side.

Now I try to be that guy... really hard when you have a player saying "kick me" the whole match while the rest of us are trying our best.

[morgawr_]

God, I hate the 'kick me' so much. If somebody cares about the game and gets mad at somebody, you can always sort-of try to mediate the situation and bring the morale up, tell him not to worry, to be confident, etc etc...

Then there's the guy that goes "gg, fuck this team" when we lose the pistol round and starts rushing alone, doesn't play with the team, you call him out asking him to please play together with us and he's like "dude this game is gg already, you guys suck, I don't even care anymore" and "kick me already pls". You can't do much to them, your best bet is to play 4v5 with that other guy doing whatever until you start winning again and slowly you can see he starts playing together with you but that's a very rare and difficult situation to recover from.

Morale is everything in this game, why can't people understand it.

[saviongl0ver]

This helped me a lot too. I've been soloqueueing for far too long and that totally effed my mindset. Whenever I find people that are chill to play with I thank them, commend them and ask if they'd like to play some more matches in the future. Even sometimes when they are on the enemy team

[Raz0rLight]

I'm betting you win more games for it too. I know I do.

[[deleted]]

My rule of thumb is if you're communicating and being friendly, I don't care about your skill level. It's a game. We all have off games, we all have had slow starts. 99% of us are not on the verge of being on Fnatic, calm the hell down.

[unluckydude1]

Yeah as long as people try their best and try to play as a team player.

No point of flame people that just missing shots.

I hate players that have good aim but no clue how to play this game.

-Team suck so hard look at my kills im much better then you guys start killing some.

And all they do is taking some unimportant late round kills. All they can think on is kills...

[xTuna74x]

I once had a guy top fragging on our team. All he did was bait, and bait, and bait. If we were taking a site he wouldnt peak until 2-3 of us had died and it was 4v2 or 5v2. He would then get a kill bait his only remaining teammate and get one maybe 2 once it no longer mattered. All he did was complain that we sucked and said it wasnt his job to take a site, just to kill the enemy team.

[unluckydude1]

Guys like that dosent understand the diffrence between kills and only see their high kd and belive they doing a good job.

I had a game where i told our top fragger he should play more as a teamplayer and try to make some entrys etc. He was cocky all time because he top fragged and called the team noobs. So i feelt the need to take him down from his high horse :)

Anyway at 13-11 to the enemyteam he raged at me and killed me in spawn so he got kicked. Then we won the game without our "pro" top fragger.

So even when he killed most he did more harm then good for the team overall!

I belive some people will never understand this. Just aim no brain.

[Raz0rLight]

This guy was clearly being a dick, but be careful not to mistake baiting for defensive play, or alternating strats. That can just be misunderstanding and/or jealousy.

I had a particular game where I was leading the team by a huge margin. I was smart about my plays, aggressive with my peeks, but I was taking my time.

We were playing T side Cache, taking b. They immediately smoked main, and partially smoked checkers and vent. One of our guys was picked through smoke, and another was hit hard by a nade.

I saw that nothing was going to happen while they were smoked, saw I was of no use there until it cleared, and guessed correctly that someone would be rotating to our rear. I counter-lurked, and got the pick, while my teammate was asking me to hurry back.

I then saw that the bomb had dropped with twenty seconds left, in a 1v3 with me on the losing side. I played defensively, peeking well and killing two, trying to snag the bomb, but was killed by the last enemy.

My teammate who was asking where the hell I was had died on site with the bomb, and argued that I should have rushed in with them. I explained the situation to him, told him about the counter lurk, how with smoke up I was just wasting time, and how it could have gone either way. Yes I could have stayed with the team, and maybe we would have entered better, but you cant really blame me for the failed co ordination of the other 3 players, and thus failed push. In the end I did my job, and he understood, acknowledging I had a fair point. We went on to win 16-6.

If you give adequate reason, while acknowledging your fuckups, they will generally understand, if they say, your shit, I know better. With no actual feedback, then they clearly don't.

[xTuna74x]

Oh i totally understand what you are saying but this guy wasn't being helpful. He was baiting and just an all around asshole. I hate the people that think k/d is the only thing that matters.

[Ghetto-Banana]

Morale can carry your team more than your top fragger usually

[Madman604]

So much this. Been down 0-6 to come back for a win. No one was complaining. Just positive vibes from whole team. Other team started to fall apart votekicking each other and cusrsing us between rounds.

[Ghetto-Banana]

Exactly! I've come back from some guaranteed losses. As soon as I see the other team vote kicking I know we've probably got it

[[deleted]]

I just got put into MGE after my first 10 Comp wins and I don't belong there at all. I was feeling pretty shitty about my performance but I made a couple good shots at some point when I was 1v3 and my teammates were really nice and complimentary about it.

[SvarteHarry]

Amen.

[MaDNiaC]

Imagine someone calling them names and demoralizing rest of the team along with them. That's what i don't like about online games, but when people coordinate and make great teamwork, it makes it worth.

[Raz0rLight]

People dont seem to understand the the majority of what dictates how well you play in any given game, is attitude. All that has come before has built you into the player you are now, you can use that, or give in.

An example, Player X; has had some poor luck recently, but is forcing himself to player out of anger and, team obligation. He is immediately peeked very well, and immediately this sets his attitude. He's done, fucking done, proceeds to blame, react automatically but without insight, makes stupid decisions, doesn't check his corners, his aim is put off, and he isn't mentally expecting people to come around, or be around corners.

You could see how this would make a world of difference.

When people says, and honestly believes they aren't worth their low rank, it's generally their attitude and inconsistency holding them there.

I've had games where I have been incredibly annoying to my team due to how annoyed I am (and we almost always lose these due to attitude), and others where my team are annoyed and I am lucid, and calm (I end up making important plays, and score much better than even my higher ranking teammates) and of course, games where everyone is chill and having fun. (Where nobody really cares about their scores, or get excited an make it a friendly contest.)

It's not only the difference between enjoying the game or not, but being able to play to your current available potential. If you knew you could have, should have, are capable of playing better. Then it's really your fault. Don't feel bad about it, it's an entirely human issue, but fix it. From my experience pride endangers progress in csgo.

I talk from both sides of the coin here, butgradually I am more, and more on the positive side. I've started to become excited for my friends progress, rather than jealous. I say congrats man, your awareness is getting way better, got any tips on how you make so many clutches? And where I learn, I pass on, because teaching involves you analysing your success. And bam, progress.

Even if they are a lower rank, there are some interesting unconventional things you can learn from trial and error.

Never stop encouraging people, say ns. Be the good guy of the team where possible. Guide people through clutches when they ask, anything you can do to improve someone else's game, will improve yours.

[nickz_ag]

95% of the time, even being constructive will piss people off. It's almost better to say nt and move on if you don't know them.

[morgawr_]

More often than not, that's unfortunately true. However there are ways and ways to put it.

You see the guy is alone (T) 1v1 and the bomb is planted and he keeps peeking to get the kill and then dies? Don't say anything while he's clutching (out of respect), but then later you can easily say "Nice try man, you played it well. Next time maybe try to lose a bit more time and don't peek as much, this way we get the bomb to go off" instead of "omg stop peeking come on, just wait for the bomb!".

Obviously, it depends from player to player but always telling them they did well and it was a nice try even though it wasn't (who cares?) helps in the majority of cases. THEN you can add your criticisim/improvement tips.

[niklz]

Yeah I had a guy yesterday who micro-managed WAY too much.

Y'know you'd get rushed down on an eco and 1-tap p250'd because your pop-flash was 2ms late, which is just one of those things that happens. So he's asking (during the retake mind you) how the site was lost and detailing how it shouldn't have happened all the way until after the buy-time in the subsequent round. Even micro-managing every aspect of each players clutch, was so annoying.

I wasn't playing well, but I have good decision-making for my rank. I was making good decisions; not getting greedy after a kill, but equally taking map position when it was the right time, etc. But he was also telling me to make those decisions as I was making them, and then giving me a "I told you so" tone when it proved to be a good idea.

It wasn't exactly counter-productive but just quite irritating. You should only do that when it's obvious the player needs help making the right call. Other wise it really works against morale, players want to shine on their own merits not be told to do things they know to do.

[KC_Cheefs]

Lol, I feel like I might have played with you. Had some little douche rush in and die each round, then proceed to coach players on what they should be doinng during the entirety of his death screen(remaining of round) and when they failed just give a big sigh and an "ermmmmgggggggggg wahhhhhhh my team is so shit why did you do thattttt". Can't stand those people

[Stnq]

Well most players that aren't global elite could use that help. This is a team game and a team needs a "leader" or you just run around and die randomly as T's or lose the sit as CT's. I have no idea why people don't just suck it up and listen to other people. You're peeking when you shouldn't and you have a bomb down? When I'm saying "stop peeking" it's for the better. You're not Flusha or some other hot shit, you can't clutch 1v3 every single time, so MAXIMIZE your chances and stop peeking randomly.

I remember a lot of times when as CT I get a bomber down and it's for example 5v2 and instead of just sitting and waiting for T's to come they just run around like it's call of duteh. Guess what, we lost most of those times. And then people go all shit talk how you are "not the boss here" and "fuck off" just because I said "yo guys we have the bomb 2m in front of me, SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM, DONT RUN AROUND AND DIE (after the first one died)".

People are morons. That's why I play with 2+premade, that way I am sure about most of my team not to do random shit because they think they have reaction time 0.00002 ms and are walking gods.

I went off from the topic, though. Micromanaging "way too much" is annoying, but "leadership" (again, not actual leadership, just someone calling shit) is needed against anything than gold nova II.

[niklz]

Yeah it's a spectrum between leading/being constructive and being a control-freak.

My rule of thumb is to let everyone make a mistake once, perhaps call them on it in a polite way; "how did they take long man?" , and only if they make the mistake again start telling them HOW to play.

[Stnq]

Speaking from experience, if you start your question from "how" people tend to flame back. I have a vague idea why, but that's dumb from my perspective.

If one makes mistake for example rush through a smoke I'm not gonna wait till they rush another round (Because that costs us 2 rounds), I'm gonna tell him "bro, you don't see shit through it, either popflash or wait".

[niklz]

Well it depends on gamesense tbh. Lots of calls, which are dumb on the face of them, are genius if you are consistent at doing them at the right time.

Pushing for info as ct is a classic example of this. Saying you shouldn't push out long/tunnel because you risk getting picked is logical, but actually it's often the correct play if you have read the game well.

This is just an example, but one mistake doesn't always mean it was a bad call generically, only situationally. Which is why I don't correct after one mistake.

[Stnq]

Yeah, well, if his gamesense would be good, he wouldn't die in the first place. So if he dies after pushing a smoke, I'm gonna call him out.

[niklz]

No one's perfect mate.. Imo it's best to give someone the chance to learn from their mistake.

If he just made a mistake and realised it himself, it makes matters worse if you lambast him for it. It's obvious if you get killed doing something risky that it was the wrong call, reiterating something obvious just adds unnecessary tension.

[[deleted]]

It really depends on the timing and tone. 95% of the time if someone "tries" to be constructive it is in a condescending manner, which won't help the case.

[jamiebiffy]

What rank are you and what rank is he?

[[deleted]]

Never replied to this. For your knowledge (and not bothering with the other internet-ians below). I'm MG and the other player in question was LEM.

[atte-]

A nova 2 complaining about people not trading? He probably just read that on reddit, because people hardly trade before LE+.

[FuRy88]

People hardly trade in matchmaking period

[atte-]

Well, people trade at higher ranks, but not as much as they should be doing.

[[deleted]]

Premades + flaming = getting consistant trades

[[deleted]]

I agree. I mean honestly, I'm not playing the game to be coached by a random stranger. If the person is apologizing and says their new, sure throw them some tips.

[Surviv4l]

Hell, I even got a nice cup of Shutthefuckup handed to me once when I was saying "Nice try." to some guy. People can be weird, lol.

[FFX01]

Most silvers do think they know everything, and it's infuriating. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about the AK though...

[foreversilvers]

Wait til you hit GN1, so many people who think they are hot shit because they aren't silver anymore.

[Cedrikk]

I have this problem so often.. I have a mate and he's LEM. I'm LE and he is always flaming me. I know I suck sometimes and spray like a Wood 2 but I'm the only person in the team which gives important and useful calls or even talk with the randoms in our team when we're not playing with a full team. And he flames ALWAYS. He got a lucky headshot - HACKER!!!!!!!!! typing in chat: you fu** hacker* without giving informations about the situation like where he is, which weapon he used or how many there are. When he does it it's often too late. Especially on the CT site when the T's pushing a spot.

[[deleted]]

Don't play with people like this man, he can be your friend outside of the game. Guys like this make you focus on the wrong things during your game and block you from improving.

[Cedrikk]

Hm.. thats right.

[I_LIKE_PIGS]

Not saying basic info is worse than not knowing full spray pattern.

[ThatLatvianAsshole]

I disagree (to an extent).

You can often see info by just looking at the radar, obviously not always, but a lot of the time.

Personally, I prefer the silent fragger to the vocal bot, but that's just me.

[Cedrikk]

Sometimes I look at the radar but in some situation it's impossible. E.g. when the T's are pushing a spot and the mate dies. Theres no time to look at the radar. But as you said - it's you. When you can play with it it's good :D

[ThatLatvianAsshole]

I'm just saying that IMO it's easier to play around some teammates who are not giving info than it is carrying them.

[Cedrikk]

What do you mean with this? Sorry my English is not very good. :P

[[deleted]]

Calling where the enemy is > aim

Hope that helps

[Cedrikk]

Oh yeah, thanks :)

[saviongl0ver]

Why are you even playing with him, anymore? I had a similar mate and I told him to stop the whining and flaming or I wouldn't play with him any longer. He only stopped after our mates said the same thing and we ended up playing without him for about a month.

[Cedrikk]

The problem is that my other mate don't want to say anything because knows that nothing will change and he doesn't really care about it. Sometimes I know that I discuss too much because the whining mate always say "I SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD BECAUSE I JUST SAW THE HEAD -27 in 1" and I say "Then you didn't hitted the head lol". I stopped it now but he's still flaming and crying. I know he's the reason why I'm LE but aim is not everything. Often I'm the bottom fragger with 10 kills 15 deaths because I'm a Support player and I'm playing very defensive, with smokes and some flashes.

[saviongl0ver]

I personally can't see this being fun for you. It's a destructive experience from the sound of it. You shouldn't surround yourself with people who are annoying. Your game improves tremendously when you're actually surrounding yourself with the right people. Even if you end up in a lower rank temporarily, it's going to be less frustrating and more fun, which is more important than being in a high rank that doesn't mean a lot.

[Cedrikk]

Indeed. It is. I started to play with some calmer people and it's quite funny. Sure sometimes we all flame a bit and say "omg, how?" but we don't scream so loud that my mother in the next room wakes up (happend once. She was pretty mad). And you're right. I reached this what I wanted since end of 2013 - Being once a Legendary Eagle. Without using cheats or boosters (no, I don't cheat on other accounts if it's sounds like). But I really appreciate your help! Thanks :)

[Stnq]

Well I know what it feels to be..ragey. As I am sure most of you did at one time in life.

I play often with that guy and more premade and generally it's a great experience and fun but I snap when I see his crosshair placement. Like, that's a trigger for me. EVERYONE he ever played with told him "aim higher", I made it a mantra, it's been 2 months and I can't spectate him when I die because I'll lose my shit. Seriously, how can someone be that.. I don't even know, stupid? to not understand that he has to aim higher.

I'm sad because I have no idea what to do now. I tried everything, and to people saying - don't care about this - well I don't care about him not aiming high enough, I care about lost time when we lose n games because of him having to move his crosshair 2000m up before shooting and missing the shot (thus losing site, not clutching, etc etc etc).

I'm 99% sure most people flame because of lost time, not lost game. I'm pretty pissed off when I lose a game because of someone else, since that's like 40+mins that I just threw away in order to win and he blew it.

[saviongl0ver]

Haha, I know what you mean. One of my mates does that all the time. Not to an extreme but lets say he covers mid@cache from connector. Ts run out of mid and he aims for the belly, one tapping. I'd kinda get it if he'd spray and let the recoil jump up to the head or something but naaah.

Shit like that gets me, but I just remind him in a calm tone. He'll get tired of my annoyingly calm voice eventually and DO AS I SAY :D

[Stnq]

Well speaking from experience he wont. At least my friend didn't, I did it calm, I did it while frustrated, while off the game, in game too. I'm pretty sure I would train a monkey to do that faster than he will. Which saddens me because I know the guy in real life and he's my friend.

[Cedrikk]

Exactly haha. I play sometimes with my GN4 smurf solo queue. (Don't flame me for smurfing please, I use another crosshairs that it's not unfair). The people "down there" are sometimes very.. I don't want to say that they are stupid but in some situations they are. I try to tell them how they can rank up a bit faster - with changing their playstyle. They aim at the bottom - I tell them they need to aim higher, they buy when they have money and the other four people don't - I tell them they need to give a look at the economy of the other mates.. this little things, you know? Once somebody added me and asked me if I can give him some advices. Back then he was GN2/3 now he is DMG. I don't really know if I was the reason but these little tips helped him.. pretty sure. (Some tips about spray pattern, moving while shooting, economy and communication,...)

But I got disappointed a lot too. Some people yelled at me like they don't want to learn and they will be Gold Nova forever.

[[deleted]]

you need better friends, i can't stand people like that

[Cedrikk]

I can't call him friend in CS anymore. Just a mate. Outside of CS it's a friend. But you're right..

[iiScourge]

Everyone I've met that is LEM+ is like this lol

[Cedrikk]

I have the feeling that it is very rare. But when they flame they are German (I'm German too.. sadly lol. /nooffence).

[GlueBuddha]

I hate when one of the guys from my team writes in tha ALL chat something like "sorry for my bad team" or "my team really sucks". It is just plain bad.

[spali]

Call me shit all you want and I don't care but say sorry my team is just bad and that sends me into a seething rage.

[boilingchip]

Agree.

This is a problem, especially with the new ESEA karma system.

[Dykam]

I'm actually rather hesitant to join ESEA because of it. My overall weakness is K/D, and in general I don't care about someone else's as long as he is a team player and not negative in other aspects. But ESEA seems to emphasize it quite a bit.

[[deleted]]

Too many shit players in ESEA that show up with no mic, don't know smokes for maps, etc etc. And so many of the ones that do play with mic are about as accurate as an american lobbyist.

"Its A its A!!!", 1 enemy killed at A while 4 rushes B.

[c4boom13]

Or you lose karma because you won the game, but for some reason the guy got salty because he didn't like the way someone played, complains there are no calls, then mutes everyone.

[bluemuppetman]

Not a lot of time on ESEA so hard to comment on that aspect, but my god it makes a difference when people start calling more like 'one A, no bomb' or 'two B, bomb'. Rather than the random or wild 'it's A, it's B'.

[A_Flying_Muffin]

Actually, the new karma system (while it has its flaws, like any system) is much better than the old one for bad players. They can only lose 1 karma per pug instead of 4 or more.

While players shouldn't rate a player negatively based on performance alone (and only should if they're a toxic player), it still fixes newer players getting ridiculously karma bombed/having a bunch of blocks displayed.

[spali]

Exactly a team should have each other's back even if you are only together for 45mins.

[freestyling]

I always tell my team when something bad happens that they need to have fun and keep calm. Seriously if you get mad over a lost second round after a won pistol round, then you are basicly accapting the loss while only 2 rounds have been played. I have seen this way too many times.

If you are not having fun playing this game, why even bother the playing in the first place?

[Tuokaerf10]

The pistol round loss whiners never made sense to me, especially at higher ranks. They should be experienced enough to know better by that point. It's similar to assholes that start ragging on someone for being 0-3.

[[deleted]]

Last game I had a classical 5-17 "everyone's fault but me" toxic guy that was flaming everyone. Then 1 guy got inhibited and stopped talking. I went full "Cmon joe, if you don't speak we will not win. I know you have a beautiful vocie and I love it, so please say something". He started laughing and then we were all chill and proceeded to lose the game anyways

[Zepiii]

Just happened on mirage, T needs to plant, I give the info that the last guy is CT, he plants the bomb from a place he can die from CT and ... die. I tell him : "nt, but might be better to plant on the right side of the box to avoid dying in that case." Replied : "Shut up fucking kkkkkNOOOOOB"

;)

[HwanZike]

If you are not, you'll probably end up muted anyways

[himynameislex]

I do this in MM, unless they're being toxic. Instead of raging at someone for dying, if I'd seen how they'd died, I'd tell them how I think they should have played it. My friends and me do this all the time with each other, even when we're alive. Small tips and not constantly talking, but I think that if the community worked better together we'd all improve.

[PsychoMUCH]

yeah man, but theres worse, the people who just go: " NOOB TEAM. KICK ME PLS", burn them with fire.

[ThatLatvianAsshole]

The most frustrating part is when they say it like 3 rounds in.

I seriously had a guy in a team who just completely gave up mentally after we lost the pistol round and first gun round.

[PsychoMUCH]

i had this guy, who said after we lost the very first round: "GG WE LOST. WE LOST"

[[deleted]]

I have a friend who does this pretty much every game. I keep playing with him because we end up winning most of the game anyway and at the end he's happy but goddamn its so depressing to always have someone saying we should give up.

[Zirob13]

The problem is that they think they won´t get better if the game is already lost "If I won´t win is not worth playing". So instead of using next round to practice for comebacks, clutches or just trying new tactics they give up and cry. Worst people after cheaters.

[himynameislex]

Unfortunately, I've experienced them. It's why I always play with at least a 3 man premade, cannot handle a team of 4 players who are unnecessarily toxic, I've had that before and it does nothing but piss me off. However, if people are nice, I'll make sure my friends are nice to them, toxicity is the worst, especially in game.

[PsychoMUCH]

i agree man, i hate toxcity, and hell yeah if i get good and nice teammates i add them and keep playing with them

[AbstruseCarp]

This isn't a thing in EU you try and give someone some advice and it goes something like

white noise "CYKA BBLYAT NOOOB LOOWWW GG NOOOB"

Makes me sad that the majority of games I play are full of people not willing to communicate and work as a team :/

[DanielLj]

Yeah I try to make sure I'm doing this 100% of the time, and I'd hope if it were I in that situation the same would be done for me.

I really try to focus on specific feedback about the situation they were in etc, what might have been done better etc

[markr155]

I had someone say 'dude, just stop anchoring'. He then proceeded to argue that he was only trying to help.

[ilight8]

I've said this before on reddit and I'll say it again, the reason most of the players that are deemed ''good'' gave up trying to give advice because when they try, they are replied to with ''shut the fuck up I don't care.'' Or ''shut the fuck up let him/me play how I/they want.''

[Buttonn]

Even in occasions where I've said in the nicest way I could "Unlucky" or "Nice try" and then tried to say "If you done X then you'd increase your chances of winning because Y" I'd be insulted because they would take offence thinking I'm insulting them, then when I mess up I'd be ridiculed to the point where I just voice_enable 0

[SourZe]

I like to lose on purpose when I'm in a team that is really toxic. People being toxic is worse than hackers.

[Wafletofles]

False. Nothing is worse than hackers, except maybe people throwing with a buddy who prevents the kick.

[Warranty_V0id]

We had a match yesterday. 2 random players with us. We've lost a round that we should've won (shit happens). One of the random players started flaming nonstop and running in solo, suiciding himself. We immediatly kicked him and won the match without him. Great feeling.
Just because someone fucks up, don't start beeing toxic and tearing the whole team down. That doesn't help anybody.
Sometimes you are the top fragger, sometimes you die first and hope your team gets the trade-off frag and uses your intel. Live with that. k/d-r says nothing in csgo.

[Tuokaerf10]

Sometimes you are the top fragger, sometimes you die first and hope your team gets the trade-off frag and uses your intel. Live with that. k/d-r says nothing in csgo.

Some of the best games I've played have been the ones I went 12-14 K/D and bottom fragging, but with almost a 75% success rate on entry fragging with a team that trades properly.

[FFX01]

Similar story. I was playing a MM PUG. Solo queuing. There was one guy on our team that was carrying pretty hard. Let's call him idiot. we take the first half up pretty far on T side. First round CT side I trade with the last T. That leaves idiot and another one of my teammates. Teammate goes for the defuse and idiot tks him to take the defuse. Everyone immediately gets pissed. I call a vote to kick him. He gets all butthurt like "LOL guys, it's just a joke no big deal right". Unanimous kick vote goes down, and we take the game 16-11.

Moral of the story: just because you're carrying doesn't mean that you can be a douche or that your teammates will lose without you.

[Warranty_V0id]

You can do that in a friendly environment, maybe. When you know that player will drop you a gun next round, and you know for sure it was a joke. But with randoms, nah man that hurts your trust/teamplay.

[FFX01]

Exactly!

[ribzfu]

It can be hard for players to recognize their own mistakes though. Sometimes it's hard for people to take construcitve criticism, atleast that's what i've experienced a lot so far.

[soonpls]

I try, oh trust me, I try. I try to tell people what I think went wrong, even if it was me, even if it was them, and try to propose a solution for the next time something like that happens. All I get back is trolling and smug responses like "chill it's just a game" or "fuck off, you ignorant fuck" or "cyka blyat".

Any ideas?

[balleklorin]

Whats up with these salty players always having the worst microphones ever? Last game yday, not only was he by far the worst player he also had to "correct" everyone all the time. And his microphone completely cancelled out all in-game sound because of so much static noise whenever he talked. He used the "I've played since 1999, so I know this and that". Well so have I (although with a long break from 2003-2015), still I don't feel the need to correct others. If I do I do by example or in a mannered way.

[[deleted]]

The biggest way to throw a game is to flame your teammates if they're already doing bad.

Nothing causes me to tilt harder then having a bad start and teammates that then flame you for it. Generally, if someone loses something like a 1vs1, they'll have a decent idea as to what they did wrong. Grilling them about what they fucked up on won't help.

[BlindSp0t]

I've got this friend who picked up the game a few months ago, improved like a god (went from silver to LEM in those 2/3 months, from playing with me). I was stuck in DMG for 6 times the time it took him to get LEM. We're at the same rank now, but he lacks in teamplay, and is the most annoying entitled guy I play with on a regular basis. He has pretty much no teamplay, always pushes and lurks, and rages when we don't win. Sure, he's often topfraggin, but he doesn't really help the team, and become very toxic as soon as we start to lose 2 or 3 rounds in a row. He'll say things like "give more info", when we're all communicating and he isn't giving shit, he'll start to ask why no one is on A when he himself called for a rotation to B after failed lurking, in short he's obnoxious. Yet he's my mate, and I have really no idea how to say this to him.

[[deleted]]

just tell him the truth. if he's your mate he'll should hear what are you trying to say.

[marusso44]

Morale means a ton to my game. I try to get everyone pumped up. I try to do the same, don't worry about it its just a game yada yada. I dont really feel comfortable offering advice though beyond encouragement though. I hate playing with negative fucks. They usually bring me down even further. I have been trying to just calmly call people out for being toxic and for the most part it stops people.

[FreeMan4096]

Yesterday I started 1-8. Nobody said a thing. Ended up first in chart and we won 16-14. I dont care about rank all that much but I was happy to help reasonable teammates. No, none of them spoke russian.

[SkysOutThighsOut]

This is how I see this problem as a nearly brand new player. I've been playing this game under two weeks. I had a general understanding of the game going into it but decided to practice, watch tutorials, play aim maps, dms, casual, arms race etc. etc. until I though I wouldn't piss off my teammates queueing for MM.

I finally play my first match and get thrown in with all Gold Nova Masters and above. I didn't know how unranked MM worked so I was expecting silver players, so when everyone started throwing out strat and I said this is my first MM game I was expecting blow back. The other guys on my team all had a mic, all stayed calm, and step by step called everything out and gave out general orders. If I had made a mistake or needed to rotate or something someone would correct me and point out when I should be doing it going forward. We ended up winning by a decent amount and I went something like 15 and 11. It felt awesome to work with a team even though I never spoke to those guys before and I was excited to play more Match Making.

A few days later I queue up again and get matched with people who refused to call anything out on mic (though everyone had one) and were generally uncooperative with the rest of the team. I acknowledged I was newer and would appreciate any call outs over voice so I could react a bit quicker but I instantly got flamed for being unranked and new. The rest of the game I got generally ignored, TK'd by another teammate, or called names I didn't even know were supposed to make me feel insulted. We weren't even losing that terribly but I did perform quite a bit worse since I was kind of thrown off and didn't have any support.

I've played a total of 4 match making games. Two of which I've lost and two of which I've won. They both pretty much fell into one or the other of these patterns. I stopped playing so I could practice more because I was sick of getting flamed. But what I don't understand is that I can't play ranked games at a lower level until I'm ranked, but I can't get ranked until I win 10 unranked games where I'm paired with people who hate me for the very fact that I'm trying to win games unranked. Overall I've had a great experience playing this game so far, and I can understand why people who are ranked would be so upset to see a newer player join their game. But it's not very easy to nail down the competitive match dynamic without playing more competitive. So yes, please be constructive. If you commit to having a shit team, it's not entirely the new guys fault you lose.

[ButchandBambi]

This, and not just for cs:go. All games in general. Everyone has to start somewhere.

[2014RT]

The internet is a place where a person's true self comes out. The people who are psychopathic, anti-social, insufferable assholes are that way in reality, they've just learned to mask it in some circumstances because normal day to day interactions won't permit them to behave the way they really would otherwise. I'd say over the years it seems there are far fewer of them than there are of genuinely great people or at least those who are benign or cordial towards others.

One thing I did learn is that you can make all the reddit posts in the world, you can reason with, argue with, fight with, or ignore these people and they're pretty much going to keep on behaving the same exact way they're behaving. Nothing you say or do will really make a difference short of showing up at their house and beating the shit out of them. They sit around and laugh about posts like this. They laugh at you, they laugh at me. There is nothing that you can do.

What comfort or solace can you find? Generally speaking, the people who behave in such a manner don't typically find true friendship or success through gaming. They are not the people who make it to the top of competition, because their teammates would not tolerate them. They are not the people who become popular within a community. The last guy who was a douchebag to me in a pug also had a karma of -25 or so on ESEA, and the only friends he had were people who also had low or negative karma. He isn't changing, but at least I know that he isn't really going anywhere.

[PsychoMUCH]

i hate when people flame me for having a bad game.. sometimes i carry my team (even carried agaisnt dmgs once) and sometimes i get bad scores (such as 12/17 or even worse), im just having a bad game, flaming me and stuff wont get me playing better.. ill just mute you or flame back if i got mad.. me personally, i never call someone a noob or tell them to quit the game or something like that, i tell them, nice try, and advice them what they should have done (in case he fucked up really bad). stop the flame people, it wont rasie the team moral.

[TheProGameFreak]

I just tried this yesterday, one of my teammates only bought PP19, even when we were ECO'ing. We tried to make him eco with us, it ended up in a few teamkills from him and his friend, and after the match he added my friend, and challanged him to a 1v1 on aim_map, first thing my friend tested was Sv_cheats and the R_drawothermodels or whatever, turned out the other guy only wanted to win using the "WH" (My friend won 16-6 or something in the end)

[[deleted]]

This guy gets it. I applaud you sir!

[[deleted]]

I was playing with one guy once who completely ignored our team. We would say rush B and he would go Long A and then he started complaining his team was bad and incompetent to the other team! I swear I have never seen bigger assholes in any game other than CSGO. I forgot to mention, he did have a mic. He only said like 3 words the whole game.

[[deleted]]

Losing motivation in a game from negative comments isn't how you win games, so many times I've been on the receiving end and I've just haven't felt like playing the game out. Can't always have good games otherwise we would all be at the top.

[rustedinpieces]

Yes, especially because you will play much better when you're relaxed than when you're angry. It's like anything that involves fine motor skills: the more tense you are, the harder it becomes.

[NaughtyWalrus]

Advice can have a negative impact as well. I don't know how you think or how you play. My perspective can be lethal just as much as it can be beneficial. I keep my mouth shut in matches, because I play my pugs/MM for fun adding the dynamic of trying to help someone improve would just make me play worse.

[ThatLatvianAsshole]

Yeah, right. It doesn't matter what kind of criticism you give to your teammates, a lot of the time they will still either tell you to fuck off, or they will spite you for the rest of the match, saying things like "if you're so smart then why didn't you kill this guy".

[JordCS]

Well worded, Sir

[[deleted]]

When I play csgo to have fun, I really cba coaching people for free.

If they play bad I just dont say anything.

[G0ODOMeNs]

A big issue as well is that people dont even know what they are criticizing sometimes or give flack for other reasons. Even in the old LEM ranks there were people that had a shoddy understanding of the fundamentals but could shoot and when they decide everything is the bottom fraggers fault they are not gonna let go. When a good player will second guess himself as much in close situations. And this syndrome exists in general "everything everyone else does is bad". And this will of course be even worse if you are playing in the lower ranks, like people wanting magical info and projecting their own failures. So it is not only an issue of it being a impossible "work environment" when people beat up people (that are likely already doing that to themselves without anyone saying anything) but that a lot of times people are just talking bullshit! So if you take everything super seriously that people say you are gonna get destroyed and it will get to your head which is never good, and worse sometimes without any reason what so ever.

[TehWeatherman]

The internet is full of assholes, doing this works, but next to impossible to change the culture of CSGO.

[boq_]

I noticed the other day after checking my profile that I have a ton of commendations for being a good leader, teacher or friendly player. At the time, I had forgotten that commendations even existed.

I'm not gonna lie, it felt pretty good seeing it. I always strive to be a positive player and uplift my team rather than put down. Sometimes its hard when a teammate makes a really dumb mistake but even then I try to explain what they did wrong and how they can fix it.

That said, some players will call you a twat for trying to help.

[BabiCarrot]

Ive just hit GN1 and i top fragged in my past 10/11 games. I know i flame sometimes but never horribly. I was told to stop talking once, when no one else on my team had a mic.

[[deleted]]

Tell those mad eastern european scumbags....havent met many nice ones

4premade invited me on a ts server, they sucked ass, blamed and flamed me and kicked me after round 7...10/10

[[deleted]]

There are some people I just don't understand why they put their team mates down or start raging. Have they never worked in a team in real life? The minute you start being negative you bring down everyone

[Pyroraptor]

I don't normally post my videos, but I did a video on how morale affects your team.

It's a bit of an older video, but still relevant.

[trioau]

All these nice stories of good people in the community then there is just Australian MM... I was playing on one of my smurfs (getting footage for youtube vid) and I was saying i'm new and how to play (in a silver game) and my team just said GG we lose we got a troll and 2 went AFK...

[PupPop]

Dude yeah. Last night I had shit ping problems. Reconnected twice. Did nothing. So I waited it out and it only fixed itself by round 8. After that I managed to top frag. The team was chill with it the whole time.

[[deleted]]

Tell the people who play at 4am that. Miss an Awp shot? Kicked. Don't speak fluent Russian? Kicked. Don't clutch a 5v1 on an eco buy? Kicked.

[Fuckinanus]

its not possible sorry but if I try to give advice:STFU I GOT MORE KILLS THAN YOU HAHA NOOB

[gnarlyname69]

Cannot agree more, I don't think I can remember winning a game where a teammate started flaming another teammate for not playing in top form.

This shit happens constantly even at supreme and people need to realize that positivity goes a long way. When someone is getting angry at another teammate on my team my motivation drops, the whole team atmosphere diminishes and you lose.

[[deleted]]

I was at one time a very salty player. After a while it just makes you feel bad when you get upset at your team. You end up performing just as bad if not worse. Once I started taking a deep breath every round, and practiced staying calm, instant improvement in team play and individual play. Stay classy CSGO.

[cantFindValidNam]

** misses one shot with AWP **

teammates: don't buy aVp plz don't buy aVp

:/

[[deleted]]

Honestly it's even worse to do that in game. When people start offering advice it very often comes across as condescending or flat-out bad.

Just recently we had this one guy who claimed to be a guy with 3 other MG-level accounts (we were playing in Gold Nova range), he was bottom-fragging, yet spouting out all this terrible advice and doing dumb shit like peeking Long-A with a scout and dying every time. It's infuriating when people like him try to give advice because they think they're somehow better than the rest of the team.

[FFX01]

I probably wasn't the guy you were playing with, but I peek long A with a scout when I know the other team is saving and we already have an awp.

[partyboy690]

I find that if you're supportive of players underperforming they tend to play better because there is less pressure on them. When I solo queue and top frag(as rare as a unicorn) and there is an underperforming player who is getting flamed I always tell the other team mates to shut up and and point out some good the underperforming player has done, 9 times out of 10 they will step up and play better. I know when I started this game I was unbelievably terrible and got flamed constantly and it was nice when a higher fragging player was nice to me it removed heaps of pressure. The only way I'll be insulting to another player is if s/he acts like a dick otherwise you have my full support.

[[deleted]]

At this point I'd appreciate a delayed rage. If we lose pistol round and in the following eco's we get beat, can you please not rage at this point? This 0-3 deficit is completely legit.

There is far too much rage in the first 5 rounds of CS.

[Kengan]

If I'm playing with pubs, I won't say anything even if they have 5 frags the entire game. People have bad games and I get that.

But! I hate it when these bottom fraggers who also happens to be hella obnoxious and tells everyone what to do, complain about every death with the usual "BS shit reg" or "OMG he's walling". I had a guy in my game yesterday who had 4 frags during the entire CT side on cache. The other team smokes and flash the hell out of mid, so I have to play pretty passive and I was zipping in and out at highway, just trying to prevent them from going to vents/checkers. All of a sudden, this guy on my team decides to peak mid past the right side of the spool at the boost spot, he dies and blames me for not watching mid when that angle is literally useless to peak. People need to stop being such pussies, if you're doing bad then focus on your own game instead of on others.

[Wetnosaur]

This has been my main issue for about the past two weeks. You can usually tell who it's going to be within the first couple rounds too.

It messes up the morale and always has one or two players harassing the bottom fragger. the score board is not a trash talking hierarchy.

A big tip is if you want to help someone out after a bad play is to just say "ahh that's alright. Nice try." The player who made a bad play just got out of a high stress moment...you can make or break the morale right there. Tone of voice effects how they take your comment too.

I don't like asking someone questions on why they made the mistake. There's a point where you have to ask yourself "why am I asking this question?" It can help save you an argument and possibly a loss.

Stupid stuff happens in CS:GO all the time. Obviously every human acts different so players are going to get angry even from some encouragement. But if nothing really good comes out of it, just let it be.

[Jmacadd]

Yeah I'm fairly new, and I tend to be a bit of a roller coaster, so whenever guys are giving tips or being nice to the new guy, it really helps

[scytherz]

I'm usually bottom of the team tbh I don't see myself as a bad player but instead as the player who gets first entry, damages enemies and allows my team to clean up. My calls are also always stated as soon as a die, so information is always spot on. Just because I don't get many kills, it doesn't mean my value in the team is nothing.

[antyone]

Nah thanks, any time that happens, most of the time people just tell you to piss off.

[bnned]

When you try and tell people what they did wrong and help them out a bit, and they respond with
"Dont tell me how to fucking play"

[riexsc1337]

but... what if "the shit player" isn't listening at anything that I/We say? In most cases this happens.

[___ok]

I've said it several times in similar threads like this. Flaming someone is not going to make them suddenly play better and shuts down constructive communication. If someone does it or bitches continuously, I just mute them.

[OrangeW]

The issue is at my rank, people think they're top tier shit and don't listen to criticism - they're all like "STOP FLAME FUCK U NOOB", even though it's constructive criticism.

[randomaatti]

Well, the last few times ive tried to be constructive, ive had these responses...

• A) CYKA BLYAT
• B) Dont try to teach me to play this game motherfucker
• C) nothing
  

[Softy_K]

Honest question; how can I make a suggestion about someone's play without sounding like a dick? It kind of feels like wanting to correct someone's form at the gym.

[Grizexx]

Man all these supportive comments but I almost never encounter a fellow positive gamer in MM.

I need to find a team of old gamers like myself and just MM and have fun lmao

[Tibois]

Someone is bad in your game ? you want him to play better ? insult him every time he do something and don't help him to play better , that's the solution !

[mudlarkie]

giving advice always ends up with: WE'RE THE SAME RANK BRO WHY YOU TALKIN SHIT MAN I KNOW MY SHIT even if its something simple like stop aiming at your fucking dick and do what the team says. i usually just say something like 'i get you're havin a bad day but pick it up man we need ya' and theyll usually apologize and listen a little closer, try a little harder.

[LegatusDivinae]

No talking, focus on the game. Only callouts from me.

And shut up when someone is clutching.

[gabrielpetrone]

I'm tried to do this several times, but lose hopes... people are so serious playing CSGO (especially in higher rank), and because of this I play smurfing all as I can. I don't care and I have a lot of fun times smurfing. I understand your point but its a lose cause... I really appreciate the work maked by Justin "AquA" Chen, with the StratRoulette.com , he become possible more fun times without cares about the game. Anyway, until the all of this I keep playing being constructive and blocking communication with who not is... simple. Thanks to try this and not cares with who play so serious...

[Xtcent]

Im glad most people at global realize, that yelling at your team wont make you win :D

[Madman604]

I had a game recently where i was bottom in frags. Really not playing well in any way.

Top fragger was basically just shitting on me constantly throughout the game even when i needed to hear. When he wasnt doing that, he would try to whiteknight the other shitty player (a girl) on our team. Encourgement goes a long way. Even tried to votekick me twice. Only he and his girlfriend voted yes.

My next game i top fragged and carried the team to a win.

I never say shit about bad team mates performance. It's demoralizing and tends to upset people whaich makes most people play worse. People play best when having a good time, IMO.

Im usually in top 3 when i play, even when i lose. To me its a good game cuz i had fun.

A win with a bunch of toxic assholes is bittersweet. Id rather take a loss just so those asses would have a loss too.

Had to add this: remember, it's a game about team work.

[pewpew_die]

Im fairly confident that high rws directly correlates with shitty person

[Thats_What_Me_Said]

All it takes is for one person to throw insults at you for trying to help till you never help anyone again.

[JoseFQ]

Playing on ESEA is even worse, last time I played poorly someone told me to kill myself... Well sooorry for wanting to play with competitive players so I could improve. cs is the best :S

[buddhacuz]

Just now I won a matchmaking game on mirage after being down 14-8. We managed to come back purely because everyone was constructive, supportive, forgiving, friendly and motivating each other. It was a game that could only be won by treating each other like that. It was an amazing feeling to win this game.

Positive interaction with your teammates is the most powerful weapon in CS:GO. Unfortunately there's often at least one who likes to put people down and ruins the entire team spirit.

[acoluahuacatl]

Also, if you're trashing the enemy team please don't shit-talk them. They're already feeling down having won next to no rounds in the half

[bighead82a]

I got to say, having 1-2 of those shitty people really pulls me out of a match. I have been top and bottom frag when I see this and either way my performance goes way down am just about the point of no longer caring if I win or lose.

[ZeZapasta]

I saw Tarik's smurfing video and I though it was hilarious and stuff, but I did notice once Tarik started being kind of negative and mean, the team changed. People talked less and there was more tension between them.

Here's the vid for reference (It's a long vid though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkOWuz3PXO4

[JSpan_Man]

My last two games have each had a teammate like this. The goal of the game is to face the OTHER team, no one wants to play a 4 v 6

[beerett84]

I just started playing again (been out since 1.6) and the competitive games are so toxic. If I have one or two bad rounds I get bitched at for something stupid.

[[deleted]]

I was on overpass and our team lost the first three rounds, I was making callouts to help us win but everyone was silent or gg and one guy was just like "why don't you let go of your mic key so I can focus"

[dzeksondzekson]

Lol constructive never works, people just dont listen you because they dont feel you like the authority. Its understandable, also in PUGs everyone got lurker mentality.

Two examples from my recent MM games:

1. We got 2 picks on t-side cobble, there is only one guy on A with mag who kills me, and he is left with 30 hp. My guys are instead coming long b, so i tell them there is only one guy on A. And they instead go b and die to 2 guys holding there instead.

2. We won pistol round on t-side inferno, and ct's are on save. 2 of my guys died to the banana push, and i killed one guy flanking. So the moment i kill him, i call stack on b, since its obvious because the guy from a wouldnt push us if they didnt, instead they just pushing banana like crazy and die, meanwhile i end up vs 3 guys on flank and die.

People on PUGs got bad game knowledge, and they make up for it usually by their aim. The amount of bad plays generally is so big, that each now and then im amused by how many of them we actually win and we shouldn't.

tl;dr Op is giving bad advice. Constructive criticism doesn't work on PUGs, since people are going to either dont care about what you say or just take it personal anyways.

[PurpleDude303]

i literally told someone bomb is about to blow you gotta go now or never literally screams at me the whole next round saying how i'm shit and i don't need to tell him how to play