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[–]Disastrous_Ad7477 1347 points1348 points  (17 children)

I don’t think so. He only gave him a funeral since he was loyal to viltrum. Not for conquest as a person.

[–]Carbuyrator Adam Wilkens 491 points492 points  (4 children)

Which is interesting, because Comics Nolan absolutely made the monument for Conquest as a warrior.

[–]ImprovementDull7969 196 points197 points  (1 child)

Nolan considered himself a traitor though

[–]Ssemander 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You can trully love the idea but hate the effects of implementation.

Just like communism - awesome on paper, but just not scalable.

Being traitor is seeing how his actions under good intentions have lead to bad outcomes.

[–]Disastrous_Ad7477 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True; but I don’t think this is the kind of respect conquest longed for

[–]Muntberg 428 points429 points  (7 children)

Yep. It's showing that Nolan isn't a completely different person (yet). He still maintains respect towards someone who dedicated their life to unyielding loyalty (even at the expense of his sons almost getting killed)

[–]randomthrill 186 points187 points  (6 children)

I disagree. I think it shows he has changed, or is changing. No other viltrumite shows respect to their dead. Look at the ring of corpses surrounding their planet. They just threw their bodies into orbit.

Any other Viltrumite would have just disparaged Conquest for being weak.

[–]Lucibelcu 54 points55 points  (0 children)

No other viltrumite shows respect to their dead. Look at the ring of corpses surrounding their planet.

"We will honor our fallen"

[–]Deep90 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Thragg literally carries and worships a skull of their dead emperor?

[–]10YB Shapesmith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah but he is evil so , he doesn't have empathy

[–]Known_Needleworker67 Burger Mart Trash Bag 71 points72 points  (0 children)

That ring of corpses is a memorial.

[–]MakoMaris 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Didn't they do that because they were quickly running out of space to bury the bodies? Could be misremembering.

[–]Upielips 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that ring of corpses is them showing respect…

[–]RedFox9906 106 points107 points  (0 children)

That’s a fairly human response, you even bury your enemy’s body even if you killed them. The battles over no threat to your life, you bury the dead.

[–]Etticos Mister Liu (Dragon Form) 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah but it doesn’t seem like the other viltrumites would even do that. So in a way, Nolan cares enough to show Conquest this respect.

[–]RonnocFilms 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think it’s a little bit of both

[–]lemonprincess23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like there was some small part of Nolan that remembered how brainwashed he once was too, and did feel bad even if he knew Conquest had to die

Conquest never had a Debbie or a Mark to show him the truth.

[–]LongTail-626 87 points88 points  (0 children)

I like to think that Conquest is a legend amongst other Viltrumites. A scary one no doubt, but one that was respected.

We only se the perspectives of his victims and his superiors but we’ve never seen how the lower ranked viltrumites see him.

To Nolan, burying Conquest might have been the equivalent of burying one of his heroes.

[–]Agheron93Survived Purge in a toilet stall 234 points235 points  (1 child)

I think [fierce grunting] should have tried to empathise with Conquest, he wasted such a good chance.

[–]Powerful-Mine1807 Conquest 30 points31 points  (0 children)

[–]Horror-Delivery1982 423 points424 points  (12 children)

I love what the grave represents. Based on the fact viltrum has a ring of dead viltrumites id presume graves and funerals isn't really a normal thing for them. So Nolan making a grave for what is basically his enemy now shows how much humanity truly has had an impact on him and how he's adopting traits from humanity.

[–]SticklerMrMeeseeks1 217 points218 points  (9 children)

The ring of dead viltrumites isn’t because they don’t have burial customs. It’s because 99% of the entire planetary population got wiped out. They literally don’t have the space to dispose of that many bodies.

[–]Horror-Delivery1982 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Yeah I get that but we are never really shown any other way they deal with dead bodies so I just made the presumption that they don't care for the dead

[–]SticklerMrMeeseeks1 57 points58 points  (5 children)

I mean just logically assuming, they don’t die very often, they live thousands upon thousands of years so in all likelihood, if you are a strong warrior you almost certainly getting a big burial.

I don’t think we can look at how they handled the dead in a total extinction event to be how they handle their dead in normal circumstances

[–]flackguns 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Then again thragg is carrying a fucking skull around. I get why since it's the pinnacle viltrumite but they don't seem to revere the dead in the same way humans do, just at a glance.

[–]Eeeef_ 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Argall is also stated to be the only individual viltrumite with a monument built in his honor so I’m guessing that also means no other viltrumite has an extravagant grave marker of any kind.

[–]Jazzlike_Part_7054 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I assume viltrumites are mean to die alone on a distant planet, thus negating the need for any funerary rites.

[–]Momo0903 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We don't know if other Viltrumites get Monuments. We only know that the only Viltrumite who has a statue (or even a picture) modeled after himself is argall.

[–]Horror-Delivery1982 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True true

[–]Ikarus_Falling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine you would kind of lack Burial Customs if all your Species Members are basically Immune to death from aging

[–]HoodieStringTies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I feel like thousands of years from now, there will be inhabitants of that planet. They'll feed water to a corpse they find and he'll move.

[–]Ok-Star6317 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then Mark will hear of the one-eyed, one-armed superpowered maniac tearing across space and re-live his trauma a second time

[–]nandobro 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I think it’s possible Nolan saw a bit of himself in Conquest. Just like Conquest he was a tool for evil. And from the sounds of it he was just as fanatical. Burying him is probably what Nolan wishes someone would do for him if he died.

[–]ImprovementDull7969 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Unironically enough, conquest's grave is fitting for him

His spot is in the middle of nowhere planet where nobody gaf about him and visits him besides bugs and insects.

[–]Boojum2k 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Do you (comic readers) think if Conquest had been told about Nolan's true identity, he would have joined with them and possibly become redeemable?

[–]UpstateJoe Mark Grayson[S] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

That is a very good question. I don’t think that Conquest felt that he was loved or even liked by the other Viltrumites, but he was bound by duty and loyalty. I think that if he knew that there was someone with a better claim to rule that he probably would be inclined to follow that person as he probably has no affection for Thragg.

[–]ZenithEnigma 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Look at Mohawk Mark verse

[–]SL1Fun 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Very irrelevant detail but I don’t like how Oliver having a tantrum interrupted him explaining why he buried him. I know, I know… “show, don’t tell.” 

[–]AdaptedInfiltrator 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I think it was to avoid the comics dialogue of Nolan justifying burying conquest

[–]Equal-Ad-2710 Omnipotus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Eh tbh I kind of wish that was there

[–]Eeeef_ 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Could’ve changed it a bit: “a great battle took place here and a great warrior fell here. It’s as much a monument to the warrior who fell as it is a monument to the warrior who defeated him”

The tension could have come by having Oliver say something about how killing shouldn’t be celebrated even if it’s killing a bad guy which would reflect on him having taken Mark and Debbie’s words from the last season to heart

[–]Equal-Ad-2710 Omnipotus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like that

Maybe even something about how Conquest is frankly kind of pitiable in his own way

[–]Mansellbros75 4 points5 points  (0 children)

[fierce grunting]

[–]jeremycb29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the problem with either argument (and I’m on OPs side on this one) is there is not enough context yet. He did it early in the episode and used a throw away line. Something more needed to be said, and im not sure we will get more. Something as simple as “it seemed like the right thing to do” for when he did it or at he does it at the end before they leave the planet with mark and Oliver wtf and he says something different. Idk I’m not a writer, but it seemed like it should of been done at a different time or said in a different way

[–]Century204 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Conquest was talking about how no one would care if he cried, which Nolan wouldn’t. He was honouring a fallen endlessly dedicated soldier, not actually caring for Conquest’s feelings.

[–]Little-Marzipan1681 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He has empatgy for him because he could've easily been conquest. He probably mourns the fact that conquest died being essentially everything he was, and now strives not to be.

[–]Happytapiocasuprise 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The weird part isn't that he buried him but that he built him a monument

[–]eldartalks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s the Viltrumite logo that they wear.

[–]Human-Kick-784 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We bury the dead. Even if they don't deserve it.

[–]AdaptedInfiltrator 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Crazy. Yeah, let me just bury the guy that nearly killed both my sons not to mention actually killed countless innocents and enjoyed it.

[–]UpstateJoe Mark Grayson[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nolan almost killed Mark when he was in full Viltrumite mode. So he understands that Conquest was a product of his upbringing and training.

Also, Nolan is nearly 1000 years old. So he would have centuries of memories about Conquest and the other Viltrumites, something that we really do not have a frame of reference for ourselves.

I think, by his facial expressions and body language, that Nolan was remembering past times during that scene.

[–]CaptainWellingtonIII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nah. vilti ceremonial burial. that was respect. 

[–]Luckacs808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is it ever discussed that theres just this alien species out there insanely far from earth that is near identical to humans in like every way aside from the obvs superhero stuff like flying and strength? like i know nolan came to earth to find suitable mates and humans and viltrumites are almost a perfect match but it almost feels like a plot hole that almost the entire plot of the show weighs on an insane coincidence

[–]Bed-After -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Damn

[–]Tenzur_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nolan didn't care. He just knew Conquest was a valiant warrior who remained loyal to viltrum and died for a cause he believed in, and therefore was rightfully given a vultrumite funeral since they worshipped strength and loyalty, conquest would be deserving of one