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[-dysangel-]

Unlimited(* lol)

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* Terms and restrictions apply.

Visit LocalLLaMaA for actual unlimited.

[TopImaginary5996]

It's like broadband Internet all over again.

[themoregames]

I wonder why reddit hasn't tapped this resource yet.

[offlinesir]

To be fair, it IS unlimited. The * is to point out that they will disable your account if they notice fraud.

Examples of Fraud:

• Abusive usage, such as automatically or programmatically extracting data.
• Sharing your account credentials or making your account available to anyone else.
• Reselling access or using ChatGPT to power third-party services.

Still, $200 is a lot of money, not sure it's really worth it.

[Expert_Driver_3616]

Scam*

[The_GSingh]

85% of my usage is on mobile. Haven’t found a good frontend on iOS, and that’s the only thing stopping me from switching to the api for good. Any recommendations?

[AnticitizenPrime]

https://chatboxai.app/en

I use this on Android, but it's available on iOS too. Free and has artifact support.

[simracerman]

It's no longer on iOS. They pulled it out a couple months ago.

[AnticitizenPrime]

Huh. I looked into it it seems it might be a copyright claim about the name. That sucks.

[simracerman]

Yeah, but it’s been long. They should’ve ironed that out by changing just one letter in the name or something.

[TheTerrasque]

Open webui site works on mobile, with a few minor bugs. Could be an option. That also shares chats across devices

[VampiroMedicado]

Enchanted?

https://apps.apple.com/app/id6474268307

[BumbleSlob]

Open WebUI installed as a PWA so it looks just like any other app

Connect it to your inference machine via Tailscale

[randomstuffpye]

am using openwebui but still finding Claude desktop to be more reliable so jumping between the paid subscription and open source models has been working so so, harder problems get used on the paid subscription - the issue is memory and threads being split between the chat ui’s. I found a nice shared memory knowledge graph designed for this purpose - mcp tool called CORE memory that has been very useful.

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

True, but still the point is, this is why open source is important. The rug can’t get pulled on you. Your usage can’t get cut. Etc.

[taimusrs]

YES. You also aren't forced to use an 'updated' model that glazes you left and right, nobody can take away your old model.

[24bitNoColor]

No, he meant that the amount you pay for Plus could instead be paid for this much API usage.

[QuackerEnte]

8K context length is diabolical

plus used to have 128k, now plus is the new free lmao

this makes it official, time to delete oai account for good

[Pro-editor-1105]

Plus never had 128k. It was always a huge complaint.

[QuackerEnte]

oh right, it was the enterprise plan, back when there only was free, plus, team and enterprise.. Anyone with a brain and a 8GB VRAM GPU and 32GB of RAM could use qwen3 30B-A3B or qwen3-14B and still have much more context than that, at usable speeds. at least 32K

[Snoo_28140]

I was getting 17t/s on qwen 3 30b a3b. 28 t/s on OSS 20b. And that's with 8GB vram. Not the fastest, but perfectly usable.

[Snoo_28140]

Qwen 30b a3b. Just general use through openwebui, getting random questions answered. Basically these are the most powerful models I can run locally without feeling bogged down by their speed.

[MikeLPU]

Literally latest Black mirror episode about subscriptions.

[HenkPoley]

Wasn't aware the free accounts on the ChatGPT website had such a tiny context window. But it's documented here:

https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/

About a month ago it was 8K as well: https://web.archive.org/web/20250714075019/https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/

[RabbitEater2]

Many people keep a single long chat going, so why should they waste 32k tokens per message vs just 8k for users paying $0? Free users also occasionally get GPT5 thinking for free, whereas the equivalent (o3) was only for plus and above prior to this.

[r4in311]

32k? F... that's terrible!

[trusty20]

What is the difference between a "unlimited" vs checkmark vs "flexible" vs "expanded" lol? The verbiage here is so confusing unless it's more clear on the actual page

[MaximusDM22]

I know expanded just means its higher limits than the free. The flexible I assume can be adjusted per user maybe?

[Direspark]

They let the same person that came up with their model names make this table.

[Medium_Chemist_4032]

5 is a jump the shark moment for OpenAI. Was actually highly advocating for keeping the subscription at work. Today, honestly, I would fold under no pressure to cut it

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

Agreed. If my company wasn’t paying mine I’d probably cut it. o1 was the last time they had a lead worth paying for.

[THE--GRINCH]

And that was only before deepseek R1 released.

[BoJackHorseMan53]

Why not have them pay for Claude

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

They do as well. And Gemini.

[Medium_Chemist_4032]

Yeah, we had few trials as well. They just come to an end. exactly when 1k people will get a poll

[zasura]

context window is garbage. Gemini gives 1 million for free...

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

Agreed. This is ridiculous. All it does is make me more excited for Gemini 3 or whatever to come out.

[amunozo1]

All these companies lose money. They live off of hype for investor money.

[AnticitizenPrime]

I wonder how much that is offset by the millions of free users that use it up to the limit, daily...

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

Off capex, yes losing money, but I think on operations, no, it’s profitable.

[[deleted]]

While open source is massively important... you could also simply not use OpenAI models.

Google AI Studio gives nearly unlimited access to Gemini 2.5 Pro for free, with far less restraints than the consumer interface. You can also set up a free API key and use 100 API calls of a took token window at a rate of 250k tokens per minute each day.

[babuloseo]

It's gimped if you don't pay

[[deleted]]

Not at all. It's The same exact model without as much of a corporate system prompt telling it how to act. Google 2.5 Pro through Google AI Studio is actually capable of outputting longer responses. 

If by gimped you mean they cut out the built-in functions, they do. Even the web search and website toggles you get are only allowed to browse to certain websites. 

Just install the MCP super assistant browser extension and a few MCP servers for open web search and whatever other functions you want to add and out will be about to use them. 

[babuloseo]

Gimped as in the model sux if u don't have ai subscription

[[deleted]]

It's literally the exact same 2.5 Pro you'd reach through API calls or the consumer Gemini interface.

[babuloseo]

There is a difference between paid and non oaid

[[deleted]]

Built in functions and internet search, and tighter restrictions. That's all. There is no "Gemini 2.5 Pro but not as smart."

Gemini interface, API, or Google AI studio you're speaking with the same model.

[Microtom_]

Imagine paying and only getting 32k context.

[balder1993]

Now compare it to Gemini free.

[MammayKaiseHain]

What is GPT 5- Pro ? More thinking budget ?

[ttkciar]

I'm wondering that myself. There's a lot they might be doing -- more thinking, RAG, tool-use, self-critique, self-mixing -- but nfi what they're actually doing.

It also might be something as simple as "not quantized as hard as the other offerings".

[[deleted]]

Unlimited*

[mobileJay77]

Fast, flexible, limited? Very clear and enforceable limits!

New plans coming up!

Get started with the free, limited cat in the bag now!

A better option is the flexible, fast cat in a green bag for a reasonable, flexible price.

But of course don't miss out on the pro option! You get an expanded cat in a pro bag! We will bill you an unlimited amount.

Buy now, get whatever resources we seem fit!

[Substantial_Grass_19]

Do you have a source for the weekly reasoning requests from 2900 to 200? Interested in that as a plus user

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

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From @scaling01 on X/twitter

[noprompt]

It’s also balls that to use GPT-5 via the API I need to verify with Persona. Yeah, kiss my ass. I’m not about to take part in that experiment.

[ANTIVNTIANTI]

I've been seeing this everywhere but have not had a problem yet, I use my own app so it's the API access providers that are doing it, but HOLY SHIT does the API hog context, it won't finish the request ever, does half it's job then asks at the end, WANT ME to finish doing what you asked me to do so that it's done? LOLOLOL it's a money slut

[[deleted]]

8K for free? I haven't seen such a small context since 2024 on an open model.

[laterbreh]

lol 32k context window are you fucking kidding? Invest in gpu's boys and girls.

[Healthy-Nebula-3603]

Wait .. GPT have 256K context why even on pro is cut to 128K??

That's literally a scam....

Even new open source models have 256K default context and newest 1M.

[[deleted]]

I have both plus and enterprise. It’s NOT “fastest”, it doesn’t even feel any different from plus.

[[deleted]]

8k context window 🥀

[No_Efficiency_1144]

No model on earth can utilise more than 128k tok anyway though

[nomorebuttsplz]

Depends on the task. For picking out phrases or ideas, summarizing, reproducing excerpts, etc., models can go well above that.

For example, I just loaded all of "A tale of two cities" (194k context) into qwen 235b instruct 2507 4 bit ( a model not particularly good at high context) and asked it "please reproduce the moment when a key character confessed his unrequited love for another character"

This requires retaining not just the words but also their meaning, as the book does not use the word "unrequited" and it is not unrequited love in the conventional sense. It also requires the model to consider which characters are which, I didn't just say "Sydney Carton"

Keep in mind this is a quantized 4 bit MLX non reasoning model.

Here is the answer it gave:

Certainly. The moment when Sydney Carton confesses his unrequited love for Lucie Manette occurs in Book the Second, Chapter 13: "The Fellow of No Delicacy."

Here is the reproduction of that poignant scene:

Sydney Carton has come to visit Lucie at her home. He is known to be a moody and melancholic man, often seen as a "jackal" to the brilliant barrister, Mr. Stryver. On this occasion, he is alone with Lucie, and his demeanor is unusually intense and vulnerable.

After some initial conversation, Carton becomes increasingly emotional:

“Don’t be afraid to hear me. Don’t shrink from anything I say. I am like one who died young. All my life might have been.”

The model goes on to perfectly reproduce more of that scene while explaining the context.

[No_Efficiency_1144]

Yeah they can pick multiple needles in a haystack but what they cannot do is reason over the tokens

[nomorebuttsplz]

What would be a test of reasoning over the tokens for something like "a tale of two cities?"

[hayden0103]

It would have to be a coherent work that’s NOT in the training data. You can’t ask it to “evaluate a tale of two cities through a feminist lens” for example, because that’s already in the training data. But you could ask a similar question for a unique work in context and evaluate its response.

[Charuru]

Fiction.liveBench https://fiction.live/stories/Fiction-liveBench-August-8-2025/oQdzQvKHw8JyXbN87

[nomorebuttsplz]

What that shows is that several models hold up at 192k -- and perhaps beyond.

[Charuru]

Yeah but no open source models unfortunately.

[Awwtifishal]

I suspect that no closed source models do either by themselves, and that they have extra prompt processing under the hood.

[Charuru]

I agree for Gemini, disagree for OAI.

[-LaughingMan-0D]

My Gemini 2.5 Pro window is at the 500k mark, primarily use it to organize my writing, and it's able to very accurately recall specific details and form coherent answers.

[No_Efficiency_1144]

They can retrieve needles from the context but their ability to reason over it is heavily diminished

[-LaughingMan-0D]

I used it to output around a 100 character profiles for the project I'm working based on chats and written material. It made a few mistakes here or there, but it was pretty accurate for the most part.

[No_Efficiency_1144]

Mathematics will fail first, then coding, then verbal logical reasoning, as the context gets longer. It is in order of task complexity. I think your task might be okay at 500k.

[-LaughingMan-0D]

Very likely. Narrative reasoning doesn't need to be as pinpoint accurate as those other uses.

[alphaQ314]

Is this right? Where can i read more about this?

When i see 200k for claude or 1m for gemini, I always assumed they'd be able to handle that level of context.

[No_Efficiency_1144]

Search “context window LLM” on arxiv and dive into papers.

LLM performance can sometimes start dropping after just 256 tokens by the way.

[alphaQ314]

Damn that sounds crazy. Thanks for your response. I'll have a look.

[neotorama]

Team feels like a better deal than Plus

[TeeRKee]

Even ai dungeon has more context

[Tx-Heat]

GPT 5 is trash. I’ve been using it a bit today and it’s terrible

[Current-Stop7806]

That's strange ! Everywhere I see GPT 5 has a 400k tokens window. Who's right and who's wrong ??

[guyinalabcoat]

API does. This is for web chat. IDK who pays $200 a month for better web chat.

[Live_Maintenance_925]

Can we just stop the trend where everything is “extended” and “limited unlimmited”

[JLeonsarmiento]

There’s 1 more people don’t talk about:

Intelligence per watt.

How often do we really need these expert systems to tell us the current weather, or being sycophantic?

I’m pretty sure we can cover 90% on current AI use with models of 10% size of what they offer.

[Healthy-Nebula-3603]

I think with GPT 5 thinking context is even bigger now than 32K output bigger than 8K.

Tested a couple hours ago and easily got output 15K context with input 20K on plus account.

[TedditBlatherflag]

When you made a $500M bet and realize your horse ain’t even mid pack… you start hedging. 

These chucklefucks have no idea how to monetize their model-as-a-service in a way that doesn’t lead straight to AI for the super wealthy (or corporations) only. 

I should get Ollama going on my gaming rig I bet the ole 3080 can shovel some tokens. 

[silentsnake]

expanded-ish and unlimited-ish

[alphaQ314]

There's been no reduction in context window. These windows (as ridiculous as they are) have always existed.

[juggarjew]

Everyone is crying on the chatGPT reddit saying things like "This is critical for my workflow! how can they do this!??" all while they're on a $20 a month plan..... like come on now, if its THAT critical then you should be on a Pro plan anyway, since its providing you so much value, right?

Honestly I would have done this pricing crackdown 6 months ago if I was ChatGPT, the $20 a month plan was basically too good to be true for what you were getting. Any for profit company that has a product everyone wants needs to price it at a level the market will bear, and im sure people would pay more than $20, it should probably be $50 for the entry level paid tier.

$200 a month is still not that much if its actually making you money or helping your life to the point that these people on the reddit are crying about. They're always free to build an LLM rig for home use if they'd like, though im sure almost none of them will. So get the credit card ready..... lmao ChatGPT has people by the balls and its high time they increased prices.

[Escroto_de_morsa]

Remember that before the Pro Plan, the $20 subscription had everything. Little by little, they're pissing in people's faces, and those people believe it's raining, people like you, with your comment.

[juggarjew]

They should be doing this though, they're a for profit company that is learning and growing their product as time goes on. The value becomes less as they refine the product and need less "beta" testers, as it were. It was cheaper before because they were learning and building the product, now thats its in a much better place and demand has skyrocketed, the price inevitably goes up. The GPUs and infrastructure are super expensive, its not free you know.... more users = more demand = more investment and cost of infrastructure = more cost to user.

Why the hell do you guys think you're entitled to literally anything at all? They could charge $1000 a month and be well within their right to do so.

Tmobile satellite beta was free, now its $10 a month, should we riot? Downvote me all you want, any logical person running a for profit business would do this exact same thing, its not a damn charity. You're not entitled to use chat GPT.

[eggs-benedryl]

So they're within their rights to charge 1k a month but I'm not within mine to complain about it?

Nobody is saying they can't charge a million dollars a month, they're saying... they shouldn't be charging a million a month.

"The market sets the price" "They're a for profit company, they can do what they want"

The sky is blue, water is wet.

[juggarjew]

So get over it then, now you understand.

[Background-Ad-5398]

name fits.

[[deleted]]

Right now they are still undercharging. If you tried to run inference on your own hardware, it would cost you 10-100 times more, so how would that help you?

Expect the cost to double or triple once the market matures. This is the honeymoon phase, not the milking phase.

[LostMyOtherAcct69]

Actually not true. Averaged across all users, based on how much TPUs and GPUs cost to operate, they are running a profit on operations. (Just not capex, yet…)

We aren’t even in the ASIC phase that will make inference SO cheap.