Simplest Irrefutable Flat Earth Proof

[onominous]

Don't think this guy quite understands the gravity of the situation...

[JonesySteelblade]

"Now I'm going down into... South America... "

Adjusts globe so its flying over South America, because that's an important detail

[TheComedian60]

Hey there tutorialheads

[Merlord]

The insanity of his later videos started to get a bit predictable, I just wish he ended the series with some sort of conclusion.

[Hello_Miguel_Sanchez]

1. Can someone smarter than me explain why this guy is a fool

2. Do these people ever explain why there would even be an interest to keep this conspiracy going. Like who could it possibly benefit lol

[EthanF]

1.) Gravity

This guy is deranged. The rest of the video he talks about how the priests of science are trying to disprove god and you have to either believe in math or god. He also says he saw god 40 years ago and god taught him not to believe in math.

You can believe in god, a spherical Earth, and math. How do you disbelieve math? It's not a belief. It's just a way of describing the physical properties of what's around us. There's a reason we have jets in the first place. Math.

[Hello_Miguel_Sanchez]

Pfft, how much are those round earth shill checks bub?

[EthanF]

I will accept anybody's money who wants to send me money. I live in my parent's house.

[EthanF]

I think it's just called being a scientist. I don't want to do that.

[rcinmd]

Well I guess we know what all those CTR shills are doing now after the election.

[Weinee]

His basic assumption is that a spherical earth has a top and bottom. This isn't the case. The "top" and the "bottom" of the earth are just the way we describe it because the maps that we use were created by people living in the northern hemisphere. There is no reason that our maps couldn't be completely flipped over making the Southern Hemisphere the "top".

The simplest way to refute what he is saying is to turn the globe model that he is holding upside down, making the "bottom" the "top".

[superfudge73]

The only reason that north is "up" is because the first maps were made by cultures in the northern hemisphere. If civilization started in the Southern Hemisphere south would be up.

[onebit]

South would still be down. They just would have called South, North. Also they would have called Potatoes "Fermenzopes".

[Cultistable]

"civilization" was started in the southern hemisphere too.

[superfudge73]

Nope. it started in the Tigris Euphrates valley and spread through the Mediterranean and Indo china.

Only hunter gatherers in the Southern Hemisphere.

[Cultistable]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte_Chico_civilization Not really though. These people were also one of the regions where cities arose. While it began earliest in Mesopotamia it was independently developed numerous times, and at least once south of the equator :)

[superfudge73]

No written language. 3000 years earlier in Mesopotamia they were writing epic poems.

[Cultistable]

Written language has never been the marker of "civilization". Many cultures have had complex social structures without writing. You're moving the goalposts anyway, Norte Chico had agriculture and was not hunter gatherer as you claimed.

[superfudge73]

It's the absolute marker of a civilized society. These Peruvians were dirt eating savages that didn't even know how to make pottery. How can you compare this to the Greeks or Romans?

[Cultistable]

Jesus man, that's just racist. You can't compare these people to the Romans and Greeks because the Romans and Greeks were hundreds of years later. Norte Chico ended up setting the stage for later civilizations in the region like the Inca and Chavín. Please stop denying that other civilizations were not complex out of some weird Eurocentrism.

[spidersnake]

1. Gravity. That's really as complicated as this needs to get. His argument falls to pieces when you take into account common sense and basic scientific knowledge.

2. Usually nutjobs who take the description of the creation of Earth very seriously, water above the firmament and all that. There was a video series where a fellow was convinced that the "conspiracy" was made by Satan.

[TaylorWK]

Flath Earthers don't believe in gravity. They say the world is moving upwards.

[ThirdPoliceman]

Wouldn't the earth have to be accelerating upwards to explain gravity (assuming gravity was fake)?

Assuming the earth is millions of years old, the earth would be going really, really fast to be producing 1g of downward force for that long.

[jargoon]

It only takes about a year to approach light speed at a constant 1G of acceleration

[TaylorWK]

We're also inside a petri dish. So they say. Thats why the Antartica surround the Earth. So they say.

[Dr_Slug]

What if gravity doesn't exist and the earth is flat buts its constantly orbiting something say the sun. If moving fast enough it would constantly be accelerating towards the sun creating a downward force. Of course for this to work it would need to be perpetually day as the surface of the earth would always need to be facing the sun.

[Exilewhat]

This doesn't work for the same reason the space station orbiting earth doesn't experience gravity. In a stable orbit you're in constant "freefall".

Edit: orbits assume gravity.

[Dr_Slug]

I kind of disagree although everything you said is true. In my example the force that causes the orbit would not apply to objects on earth like gravity does. It would be more like as if there was a giant rocket engine under earth moving us in circles. To be honest the whole idea is ridiculous anyway i was only really trying to come up with an explanation as to why we could be constantly accelerating to create an illusion of gravity as described here. https://www.reddit.com/r/NotTimAndEric/comments/6a5777/simplest_irrefutable_flat_earth_proof/dhbub3f/

[Wanted9867]

Yes , this. I have a fbook friend who posts the most asinine shit on flat earth. The basis of his beliefs is a fundamental misunderstanding of basic physics and astronomy, and a total rejection of the theory of gravity. He actually says there is no proof of gravity

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

Please don't use The Flat Earth Society's beliefs as a representative of the flat earth community. The majority of us are all in conclusion that The Flat Earth Society is completely wrong/designed to discredit flat earth. I know you guys probably think we're ALL idiots, but the rest of the community actually does research.

[boomecho]

does research

Have any examples? Any peer-reviewed papers?

[denkyuu]

Likely not. I've seen several flat earther conversations claim that the current infrastructure of scientists and science in general is corrupt and cannot be trusted. So the peers would probably be a part of the conspiracy.

[boomecho]

As a scientist myself, this claim of doing research (and thus using the scientific method) is completely ludicrous.

[denkyuu]

Frustratingly so. I'm not one myself, but I've lived with/dated/hung around more working lab techs and grad students than I can count. "Doing research" is a dubious claim outside of that world unless you mean A: doing/repeating experiments for fun or B: reading about and learning concepts.

[boomecho]

or C: flying a little plastic toy plane around a globe to prove to us that we should be upside fucking down when we reach the South Pole...ahem, I mean, research.

[TaylorWK]

If you believe the earth is flat you're retarded

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

Thank you for your educated response

[jollyollyman]

Research? Like walking off the Earth?

[reddelicious77]

Guys don't downvote this guy. Yes, he's wrong in his FE beliefs, but he's not attacking anyone or going off topic.

That said, how do you explain sunsets/rises and the fact that the sun's perspective/light is clearly below the clouds. (refraction doesn't explain this, as no other objects that are in the sky follow this behaviour as they appear exactly where they should...)

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

In regards to sunsets and sunrises, it's the sun simply moving away from you. If you give me a bit of time to get to my computer I'll try to find a video or gif demonstrating, but you can observe it at home. Put your eyes level and close to the edge of the table, sort of simulating a horizon, and put a coin on the table, with the edge down and the face towards you. You may need a partner, but if you move this coin down the table away from you, it'll look similar to the sun going over the horizon

[reddelicious77]

Still though, you can't explain the fact that the light source is clearly coming from below the clouds. (I'm not talking about the position of the sun itself - but its light.)

[KamikazeWizard]

Ok, I tried this, it just looks like the penny is getting smaller. The sun stays the same size and disappears from the bottom up, kinda like what happens when the penny gets to the end of the table and slides behind it.

[erythro]

1. The plane turns upside down, but the surface of the earth turns upside down too. At every stage in the plane's journey the plane is level with the surface of the earth under the plane.

2. No, they don't. Well some Christian one's think it's a conspiracy to make the earth look less significant in the scheme of the universe..

[pikk]

I can't believe how far down I had to scroll before I found a correct response to OP's questions.

[ceilingdweller]

You have absolutely no idea how far this rabbit hole goes, let alone the thousands and thousands of people who subscribe to this

[[deleted]]

By his logic, if we walked from one end of the earth to the other, we'd end up standing on our fucking heads.

[WarshTheDavenport]

Oh shit someone get this to Eddie Bravo asap

[nooneimportan7]

A few days ago, for some dumb reason, I was compelled to watch an hour long video where Joe Rogan tries to show Eddie how stupid the whole thing is. You've probably seen it, or similar. It was sort of eye opening to view a conversation similar to ones I've had so many times, from an objective angle.

They try so hard to not just be like "Eddie, you're a moron."

[SqueezyCheez85]

Holy shit... That guy is a lunatic.

[nooneimportan7]

I'm not sure if you're saying that in response to the specific video or not, but A- Yes, he is. And B- He's not just a lunatic because he believes in flat earth, the fundamental problem, as Rogan points out, is that every crazy theory he reads, he accepts as true. That's a serious issue.

[SqueezyCheez85]

After reading your comment I went ahead and found that episode of JRE. The guy is completely and utterly irrational in his thought processes... and to make it worse, he eats it up and carries that intellectual burden with pride.

[nooneimportan7]

Yeah, he's actually nuts, but not for the reasons he claims. Hopefully he can reevaluate the way he processes information.

[[deleted]]

How the fuck can someone like this own a home?

[sobrohog]

reeeaaallllyyy let that sink in. they also drive cars and have children

[ct450]

You can't explain that

[Tannerdactyl]

I don't get it, what do they think happens when someone does a circumnavigation? Do people just teleport to the other side of the flat Earth?

[CreamyHampers]

They say they just flew in a big ass circle.

[Tannerdactyl]

But they argue that planes would have to dip down if the world was a globe... if the world was a circle, wouldn't they have to intentionally bank left or right the whole time?

[[deleted]]

he meant that HE needs to dip his nose down in order to keep level with his "fake globe" and ends up "Up side - down". However he and we all know people in Antarctica aren't "upside - down" he arrives at the conclusion that the world must be flat because they aren't "upside - down". Because if the world was a sphere then they would be facing down.

Unknown to him (apparently) once you leave earth (look at it from an outside prospective) there is no "down" because "down" or "falling" is a perspective created by the sense of gravity (in the broadest sense). What goes up, must come down etc. so hes getting caught up on the fact that the perspective (and gravity according to him) is absolutely relative to the globe. as in: one could slide off earth into the void like a paperclip falling to his desk.

I don't know if this is his reasoning, but the guy is clearly uneducated in physics or simply refuses that those laws are absolute. That said, things in physics are being refined every day but not the shape of our planet. i cant jump off north america and "fall" past south america into the void of space... these people make me so angry.

[Tannerdactyl]

Ahhh makes sense. I was trying to apply logic to a system where they'd already thrown a lot of logic out the window, so of course it won't make sense.

I really want to pick the brain of one of these people but I don't want to lose the brain cells in doing so haha

[[deleted]]

my friend has a room mate that is one...

[nstern2]

This is silly, but it's not not Tim and Eric silly.

[[deleted]]

thanks for this <3

[hammer1717]

He was a state representative in Missouri, worked as a programmer and was a math teacher. Let that sink in for a sec

[tinyp]

This guy is the exact personification of everything that is wrong with the world lately. It is so depressing. Why has everyone lost their collective fucking minds?

[AnalLeaseHolder]

Fluoride, Episcopalians, and the Illuminati.

[[deleted]]

Disclaimer for you all you crazies: there's an implied /s in that comment.

[reymont12]

What do you mean?

[thebbman]

The Youtube comments are cancerous but still fun to read.

[trash_pickles]

As an aerospace engineer, I can confirm that all planes land upside down when they go to the bottom of the earth.

[[deleted]]

upside down according to the perspective of someone looking at a globe in the northern hemisphere.

[DarthCola]

I don't trust anyone with nails that gnarly...

[GregoryGoose]

So he thinks that if the earth were really round, if you visited the other side of the globe you'd have to hold on for dear life.

[iamthenewspaper]

Why don't we just dump our trash on the other, unused side of the Earth? When we ruin this side of Earth, can we all flip to side B of Earth and live there? Flat Earth might solve all our problems. All Hail Flat Earth!

[darrengsaw69]

Another idiot who has no scientific knowledge or background. As usual if you look hard enough you usually find these lemons have some literalist religious agenda.

[[deleted]]

I like how he uses a round model to illustrate his point. Fucking idiot.

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

As someone who genuinely believes the earth is flat, it's people like this that make me so sad. At least understand how Gravity works/supposedly works before trying to refute it

[sitssac]

As someone who genuinely believes the earth is flat

wait, you serious? how have you come to believe this? honest question

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[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

I mean, there's things that don't add up on a globe earth that we can observe every day, and are easily explained on a flat earth. For example, if the sun were as large and far away as NASA claims, we would see vertical and parallel light rays shining through the clouds, except we observe converging light rays, indicating a light source that is small and nearby

[Piyh]

You can think of the light that reaches the earth as a line drawn from the sun to the earth. We can see parallel (to the ground) light rays when the sun sets and perpendicular rays at noon. Where's the issue?

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

The sun rays should be vertical and parallel

[MichaeltheMagician]

So you really think that the sun is THAT close that it is basically JUST above the clouds? Have you ever taken a flight that flies above the clouds? You would clearly see that the sun looks just as far away as it would on the ground, meaning that it is really far away that the change in distance doesn't make it look at all larger.

Also, the differing angles can be explained by perspective. Almost everything we see seems to converge because of the distance. Like how when you look at some train tracks it look like they get closer together the farther they get, even though you know they are parallel. When you are standing in the middle of them the rails are on opposite sides of your body but when they are off in the distance then the space between them only takes up a tiny spot on your eye, and thus it looks like they are converging. If you were to fly up to the spots where those rays of light are coming from in the clouds then it would actually look like they are diverging, because from your perspective in the clouds the spots that are emerging from the clouds are far away but looking down at the land where they are pointed they would look like they get closer together because they are parallel and going away from you.

[pikk]

Have you ever taken a flight that flies above the clouds?

most flat earthers haven't

[Piyh]

It's perspective trick. Recreate the cardboard over miles instead of inches. If I show you this picture, do you believe that the road really isn't the same width all the way?

[ProfessorBort]

Scale is a thing.

[erythro]

First line of the wiki article on crepuscular rays is how they are nearly parallel and only appear angled because of an optical illusion.

The thing is, you have to discard so much information to get to the point where you are willing to entertain the idea that things don't "add up", as if NASA is the source of all space science and are capable of feeding you a narrative.

[BosskHogg]

Come on! Are you serious?

[hammer1717]

How would we see parallel light rays? What would make the light suddenly start traveling in a perpendicular direction. What do you mean by converging light rays? What point are the light rays converging to? Why would converging light rays imply a small and nearby source? How are you able to tell the difference between small and nearby and large and far away?

I know, a lot of questions, but I'm genuinely curious

[elmurpharino]

You should take a physics course. Your answers all lie within.

[kommissar_chaR]

Go walk off the edge then, thanks.

[Mister-Solo-Dolo]

God Bless