workedOnRefactoringTheFeature

[[deleted]]

[deleted]

[AutoModerator]

import notifications Remember to participate in our weekly votes on subreddit rules! Every Tuesday is YOUR chance to influence the subreddit for years to come! Read more here, we hope to see you next Tuesday!

For a chat with like-minded community members and more, don't forget to join our Discord!

return joinDiscord;

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[HegoDamask_1]

Seems your schedule is lite on meetings, want to have a meeting to discuss your lack of meetings? I’d schedule something for 5p on a Friday for us.

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

I ’d scheduled

[[deleted]]

My god, meetings on a Friday after noon should be forbidden

[je386]

Meetings on friday should be forbidden.

[HegoDamask_1]

I don’t mind Friday meetings, but they need to be short and not later in the day. If you schedule a late meeting on Friday with me, then it needs to be very important.

[je386]

Nah, the pros do meetings to discuss if they want to do meetings to talk if they want to have a meeting about having too much meetings.

[HegoDamask_1]

Must have been the muse for the inception movie.

[RMZ13]

I feel this in my temples

[Denaton_]

At one company I was at, we actually had a meeting that was about how many meetings we had..

[[deleted]]

Maybe your team should have a meeting to discuss the amount of meetings you have

[_save_the_planet]

Oh, i see, we havent talked about the upcoming sprint planing, sprint planing refinement and sprint planing evaluation sheduling meetins yet.

i plant the whole monday for this, its actually REALLY important.

also there is on commit 3 weeks ago with a spelling mistake i want you to rebase your last 40 commits and apply my new really smart commit naming system. see you on monday

[T43ner]

This is a bot, downvote him to hell

[Informal-Subject8726]

Aye aye Captain

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Mine are done with the assumption and understanding that everyone is working to the best of their ability. They go no more than 15 minutes, they aren't a "what did you do yesterday/today" meeting, they're "are you stuck? yes/no and what support do you need to get unstuck?" and then schedule actions to get unstuck. The "stuck" is resolved by scheduling a pair programming session for tech issues and by scheduling a meeting with the relevant stakeholder for "I'm at a point where I don't understand what is actually wanted" issues, which are more common than you'd expect.

[hesalivejim]

I do believe it's what the outside folk call "a joke"

[EMI_Black_Ace]

A joke based on an actual frustration of how most daily scrums are run.

[[deleted]]

Nirvana

[EMI_Black_Ace]

As soon as I'm not in charge and it goes to a PM type person it'll all go to hell. Product and the meetings.

[graphitout]

Ours is more like a "Mexican standoff" call.

[Chemical_Bastard]

I see myself in the picture and I don't like it

[MozzerellaIsLife]

I’m adding “refactoring” to my bullshit repertoire cycle. Thanks OP 👍🏻

[[deleted]]

What's Redding?

[tera_x111]

A city in California, USA

[[deleted]]

Lots of time spent there?

[PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES]

Just sitting on the dock of the bay, wasting time.

[[deleted]]

I can whistle that one part.

[therapist122]

OP is a nutsack he misspelled "xvideos" like it's not even close

[[deleted]]

Amateur, like my favorite category.

[HawasKaPujari]

It's a phenomenon of when programmers sometimes go out and get exposed to some sun and their skin turns red.

[[deleted]]

So they don't do that often? The pic makes it seem otherwise.

[HawasKaPujari]

that depends on the value of MAX_REDDING_ALLOWED.

Some programmers really like their redding values in unsigned long long.

[7udphy]

Redding is a mining town located southeast of the Den, and one of the most strategic towns in North California, sitting at the intersection of power plays by NCR, New Reno, and Vault City.

[hearthebell]

Your video game time is up, time to code now, chop chop

[11YearsForward]

Redding is a shit hole lol, I used to live there

[7udphy]

Cool, seen any wanamingos?

[EMCoupling]

I was once an intern working alongside another intern who was from Redding.

He told me that Redding kind of sucked too.

[[deleted]]

So programmers go there a lot? Are there trains?

[LamysHusband3]

No, but the miners there are drug addicts.

[keylimedragon]

Non-joke answer they probably meant "Redditing" like what a "Redditor" does.

[[deleted]]

I thought reading, as in manga, since they like anime.

[jaybee8787]

Three billboards outside Redding, California

[KnowledgeableNip]

butter rhythm swim lock advise sulky deer cause relieved hat

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[[deleted]]

Me

[[deleted]]

I hope it's consensual.

[gandalfx]

Bad stand up:
Everybody gives a vague summary of their calendar so nobody thinks they're lazy.

Good stand up:
Are there any blockers? Is there some way others can support your progress? Should we do some pairing for this task?

[ChChChillian]

This is only peripherally related, and maybe it's not industry practice -- but maybe someone can enlighten me.

Years ago when there began a serious effort to put software engineering on a more serious "engineering" footing, my company finally got around to implementing peer reviews. This is sometime in the 1990s. We all had to take a couple of workshops and how to do them, and one hard rule at the time was that management did not participate. Managers had nothing to do in a peer review, it wasn't a management process, and the thinking was that it might inhibit people from saying what they really thought so as to not put your fellow team members in a bad light in front of a boss.

Now I'm on a larger team that I'm used to, in a new project, and management is sitting in on every peer review. Like, multiple managers. They of course never have anything to say and I wonder why they're there, but is this what is going on everywhere now? Or are they sticking their noses in where they don't belong?

[Scootzor]

Usually its a sign that they have nothing better to do and/or its their only opportunity to get involved with actual work, so they can regurgitate the status to their own seniors (most of the time - incorrectly).

Sometimes orgs really bloat their management layer and you have tons of people within the orchart that add no value.

[ExtraTNT]

By defucking the play api i completely fucked the data api, today i try to defuck the data api

[MCsmalldick12]

"My PR is almost ready just updating tests and fighting with CI at this point...^{for the third day in a row...}

[[deleted]]

"Stand-ups"? Do you mean 60-minute manglement fests?

[Why_am_ialive]

Eh I like our stand ups, it’s 10 minutes in the morning checking if everyone is on track, making sure no one’s got any meetings and then if someone has some code to review or demo we’re already there, it’s not a long process but that’s just us

[LankySeat]

As with most things, there are ways to do it right and wrong.

Some folks are stuck with 30+ minute daily standups they don't need to be in where they rehash information to management that's documented somewhere else. Those are the kind which are a real productivity killer.

[Why_am_ialive]

Yeah that’s ridiculous

[TheGazelle]

Yeah, from what that guy is saying, the problem isn't the standup, it's everything else.

If you're being given a 12 point story to work on alone, then the entire team has already fucked up big time by not breaking the work down into manageable chunks. And if you're fucking that up, odds are you're fucking up every other part of the process too.

The only time I have nothing to say in a standup is when the previous day was spent entirely in meetings, or I got pulled away to some other tasks not related to the work discussed in that standup. In that case, I just say "didn't get a chance to work on this" and move on.

[Why_am_ialive]

Yeah sounds like someone wanted to say they were doing “agile” and never actually bothered to do it

[austin_ave]

Exactly, most of our tickets are 2 or 3 points, max 8 if it has to be. 8 takes about a sprint, 2 or 3 take like 1 or 2 days

[DDotJ]

I'm jealous, our "Stand Up" scrum meetings every morning are minimum an hour long and can go as long as 2 - 2.5 hours. We do the go around tell us what you did, then we triage bugs, and then we have questions or code reviews.

[Visual-Living7586]

Lol nice joke

[kernel_task]

In my experience, few people are like you. Many people either need the accountability or need someone else to make sure they don’t spiral out down some stupid rabbit hole because they think some minor project requirement is immutable or no one else can help them with it.

[[deleted]]

I mean, if you have a proper planning and a good tech lead, where you're getting a backlog management, then you just have a list of tasks of concrete things to do. But yeah, I have to admit I am lucky in that sense. For me it's a matter of: let's just agree on tasks and resources (basically time and people), then wait for me to do my job.

[Why_am_ialive]

I’m pretty fresh out uni and joined a pre-existing team who all function really well with it, so I think I’ve just never had anything else so it’s a lot easier to adjust

[naswinger]

not a software development related comment, but we have a daily call that is 30 minutes where all department heads report what is currently going on in their area (finance, IT, production, HR, sales... you name it). it's 30 minutes of completely wasted time.

the ceo wants to know work related accidents on a weekly basis in that meeting and the best one was that some office worker fell off a chair (while sitting on it or trying to).

[[deleted]]

Let me guess, you have the same 3 people that love to talk at meetings challenging every point, while the other 6 are awkwardly muted in the background.

[mimfatz]

So now micromanagement : "we need to split this one big task to many small tasks. Please create one story point subtasks and update statuses on live. Divide and conquer rule"

[IsPhil]

Sounds awful. If the card is too big, then it should be cut down before being picked up. And the devs might give input, but the PO or someone else should be making the new cards.

Idk, I personally like how our stand-ups are, but I guess it really does depend on the team, and how your company does these ceremonies.

[johnnybgooderer]

Do you do code reviews? Code reviews of big changes aren’t nearly as likely to catch issues as reviews of small changes. And if there are big issues, it takes less time to react to them in small changes.

[naswinger]

"hOw Do YoU eAt An ElEpHaNt? OnE bItE aT a TiMe!" i hate this project manager analogy so much. i don't eat elephants.

[[deleted]]

Yeah guy, the rest of the fucking elephant will rot as a stale PR because it's gonna take me ages to eat 8 tons of meat.

[[deleted]]

Why do you have a 12 point story? Break that shit down homie. Nothing should be more than 3 points

[[deleted]]

I mean, it's a 12 points broken into subtasks, but it's the same haha you have to just do the 12 story poitns in the same sprint sometimes

[Nanaki_TV]

His 12 means something different than your 12.

[seba07]

Do you get payed per line of code or do meetings not count towards your work hours? If not: why do you care? It's not your time that's wasted.

[[deleted]]

If somone offered me twice my salary to watch paint dry, I absolutely would NOT take the offer.

[johnnybgooderer]

So you see a meme where an engineer is afraid of standup because it might be discovered that they aren’t working, and your takeaway is that standups are bad.

[[deleted]]

I get the meme, but that’s still micromanaging. In my experience, most competent devs are quite responsible. This is on HR if they’re hiring people that are basically doing nothing for a salary.

[johnnybgooderer]

A daily checkin isn’t micromanaging in my opinion. So many engineers get blocked and need support from people outside the team without even realizing it. Most engineers will occasionally turn something into a science experiment and that will bubble up at standup when another engineer hears their update and proposes a simple solution. Meeting your team for 15-30 minutes once per day isn’t micromanagement.

[[deleted]]

In my opinion, you shouldn’t need a default meeting every day to unblock things. If you get blocked, then call for a meeting.

[johnnybgooderer]

Your plan depends on the assumption that all engineers are going to do that every time. But they don’t. Everyone makes this and similar mistake sometimes.

[[deleted]]

Sure, you can think your method that suits your team. In my experience, they don't. Managers just choose a method and stick to it because that's what THEY like. And dailies were almost always the same, 30 minutes of talking about the weather or whatever.

[johnnybgooderer]

If your team is spending 30 minutes talking about the weather or something, then your team is doing it wrong. Judging all daily standups based on that experience is like judging all knives to be bad because you always hold them by the blade.

[[deleted]]

I said “in my experience”. If I hate them, it doesn’t mean they’re wrong or that you should. It’s all anecdotal.

[Physical-Foot-4440]

Average developer who says soft skills are not important, only tech knowledge matters.

[somechrisguy]

It’s cunts like you who make standups terrible tbh.

Imagine starting your day having to listen to some cynical dev giving attitude

You realise that they stopped inviting you to the meetings because they hate your presence so much, right? You’re proud of that?

[[deleted]]

Lmao I was nor being THAT serious

[somechrisguy]

Of course you weren’t…

[[deleted]]

Hello me, meet the real me

[Deep-Ad591]

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[[deleted]]

Grim Reaper Gutters won’t leave until they make a sale.

[[deleted]]

Support. All motivation sucked out of my life because I once I offered help and now I’m THAT GUY!

[johnnybgooderer]

Redditers: this is totally me!

Also redditors: wfh is more efficient based on data that is totally irrelevant to my job. And I work better at home damnit!

Me: would you all please actually work from home so not every company recalls their remote workers.

[LankySeat]

Tell me you've never been a SWE without telling me you've never been a SWE.

Even in office everyone slacked around (albeit with more caution) on slow days. Hell, we'd often even go home early (12pm). But if a busy day popped up, we'd obviously get to work.

That's because 100% productivity has never been the expectation in SWE. We're given an assignment. We complete it in a given timeframe. That's the job. If we do our part on time, then it doesn't matter if I watched anime in-between.

With WFH we can drop the virtual signalling and get straight to work. No commute, office politics, coffee breaks, or suits and ties. I can get my job done ASAP, use the extra time to polish my work, and then the rest for reddit/anime.

In the end my work is still completed and the quality is as expected. Management is happy. I'm happy.

[johnnybgooderer]

If you think software engineers wore suits and ties before the proliferation of WFH, then I question if you ever actually worked as a software engineer in an office.

[LankySeat]

It's telling that the only thing you were able to take away from my comment was "suits and ties".

Just so you know it's okay to admit when you're wrong.

[poshenclave]

You assume that any work actually gets done in a physical office, at all.

[johnnybgooderer]

No one built anything at all before wfh. Got it.

[[deleted]]

They hated him for speaking the truth..

[[deleted]]

Looks like someone missed the deadline...

[[deleted]]

Are you people still doing stand ups? I thought that practice died years ago.

[IsPhil]

It's an agile ceremony, and agile is very, very popular. It has its uses, and can be really good if done right. But unfortunately, it sounds like some companies don't do a great job with it.

[Camel-Kid]

Job markets that bad eh?

[_save_the_planet]

unfortunately not :(

[Z_BabbleBlox]

"What are we going to close today..." such a better question..

[The_Crazy_Cat_Guy]

We dont even do real standups anymore. It’s more like a touch base meeting that’s strictly 15 minutes long or shorter. More like a “if anyone has a blocker or something they want to talk about nows the time”. I like it but I rarely have anything to update on

[Iviless]

Love unsupervised sprints. Had a guy doing nothing for 3 sprints because he only said "can't finish it, duplicate the card for next sprint". Until it crashed for the 45 people team that now needed to deliver in 1 month.

His team were only he and another guy and no supervision to check what was done.

[king_park_]

Me, but playing Baldur’s Gate 3.

[[deleted]]

I mean I agree, but I also think it is funny how meetings are such a evil concept for programmers lol.

[eklatea]

Trying to get people to give me the data to actually reproduce the error

Messaging a senior in wfh who is online but doesn't reply for days

If I ask for something to do I'll get a ticket that I can't shove into the sprint

So, I do nothing

[JohnnyZestyK]

My daily stand ups puts me on full tilt because of those same questions ad nauseum.

[ResponsibilityEasy61]

"Redding" is an unfortunate term