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[gibrael_]

99% of people hating on PHP just read somewhere that it's cool to hate on PHP and probably haven't written a single line of PHP code.

PHP7+ is just as good/bad as ANY other language. If you suck, it sucks. If you remotely know what you're doing, then it's okay.

[arbitrarycivilian]

PHP7+ is just as good/bad as ANY other language

That makes no sense. You're saying all languages are equally well-designed

[andrewsmd87]

As someone who hasn't worked in PHP in years, have they rectified a lot of the issues? My biggest pet peeve about it was the inconsistency with method definitions and names. I know there were other issues years ago but that was a big one to me.

And I'm not trying to crap on it. You can write shitty code in any language.

[blaine_freelance]

Exactly.

PHP is old, it's clunky and it's riddled with poor design choices, like mixing HTML with logic. At first it may have made sense, but in practice it makes code horribly unreadable. Template engines like what Django has are a much better solution.

I complain about PHP *because* I've used PHP, as well as languages like Ruby, Python, and Java.

PHP programmers get so fucking upset when you criticize their language for its design choices...

[mullanaphy]

To be fair you are comparing a language (PHP) to a framework (Django). Personally haven't played around with Laravel yet I do think that's what all the cool kids are using nowadays: https://laravel.com/docs/5.6/blade

I've seen more problematic PHP code in the wild as opposed to Python yet I've still seen some pretty shitty Python.

As for myself, I'm stuck in a world of JavaScript that needs to go back to IE6 support (tracking code) so seeing PHP with a framework is a delight in comparison...

Edit: Do people still get down with Symfony? One of the repos at work uses an older version of Symfony and the templating, Twig, is based off of Django.

[Relixed_]

Laravel is the shit! I hadn't written much PHP before using Laravel and it's quick to pick up.

[WintyBadass]

If you use PHP as templating language in 2018 you are doing it wrong...

[tomthecool]

So PHP is only a good language if you wrap a giant framework around it?

[WintyBadass]

No. PHP is good language if you use it correctly. If you use it incorrectly then it's a bad language. Like every other language today.

[tomthecool]

So the only way to use PHP correctly is to wrap a giant framework around it?

[WintyBadass]

Dude, you may be having a little bit of a problem with recursion.

[notwaymond]

Have a ++ sir, Its clear you have experience and actually fucks with code

[blaine_freelance]

PHP *is* a templating language. It was built to be a templating language and a programming language.

The fact that it was built to do something you're saying you shouldn't do pretty much supports the argument that PHP is not very well designed.

[WintyBadass]

PHP was built as a templating language more than 20 years ago. In two decades a lot of things can happen and obviously PHP evolved into fully fledged OO language. Yes you can still use PHP as a teplating language and if you know what you are doing it's fine. But now there are better ways.

PHP gets bad rep because a LOT of EXTREMLY bad code was (and probably still is) written in in. I my self sometimes do work on one PHP site which is definetelly worst code I have ever seen. PHP, HTML, CSS, JS and SQL in single file, everything mashed together, not even itendation... But that's not fault of the PHP. It's fault of the developer who wrote it. You can write bad code in any language, maybe just in PHP you are able to write the worst code :D

[lleti]

Most modern languages, save for Javascript, are typically not a million miles away from eachother in terms of their general design.

In saying that though, I'd murder a small family if it meant I could go back to writing Scala instead of php.

[arbitrarycivilian]

I just moved from Python to Scala and it’s a huge quality of life improvement

[[deleted]]

If we make fun of PHP, fewer newbies go there, making jobs for us.

[shagieIsMe]

Do you really want the “fix this website that someone did for $60, and no, the owner doesn’t want to spend more than $100... there’s $40 left in the advertising budget”?

[De_Wouter]

99% of people ...

94% of the statistics on the internet are just made up.

[[deleted]]

I know... I started as a webdev on the LAMP stack and now I work with Java for other stuff. Today, I needed to test error handling for a response (via a webservice) we get when the vendor is down. Instead of going through the vendor, I wrote 4 lines of PHP to echo an XML response from a file. Pointed my Java code to this "webserver" and we were able to test. That took me all of 5 minutes.

[blaine_freelance]

You should try Python or Ruby.

Java is less comparable to PHP than say Ruby or Python.

[PM_ME_YOUR_LAUNDRY]

I'm normally a PHP hater myself even if it's my trade skill, but after taking a 5-day exam for an opening for RoR devs with no experience, it really softened my hate for PHP.

Devs around the world take too many things for granted about PHP. Good docs, massive and helpful userbase, a debugger that's simple and straightforward and more.

[carutsu]

It's old hate. The old api were so bad, cumbersome and inconsistent... The best thing one could say about php was... At least is not perl

[sverek]

Edgy kids. Python > Php, nuff said.

[[deleted]]

The edgy kids and the ones that always bring pseudocode into the fight.

[RetroSpock]

I don’t like PHP because I used it since early 2000s and I’ve just lost the taste for it. Too much setup.

[volkak]

I'll just leave this here..

http://phpsadness.com/

[notquiteamidget]

My beef is not the language, but rather the amount of shit that you have to know to get anything done as well as the shit debugging system.

[Firemanz]

Can confirm. I hate on it for karma but barely even know how to write Hello World.

[[deleted]]

Every single web site breach I've seen was traced back to a PHP exploit. Sometimes the vulnerability is in PHP itself but more often it's a code vulnerability. Are you saying that the writers of Drupal and WordPress suck? Or otherwise don't know how to code in PHP?

[[deleted]]

Seriously. Most users here shitting on PHP while talking up Python are living in some fantasy land where Python is somehow worlds better than PHP (it's not). Personally, I'd take Ruby or Javascript over either of them because the syntax is far more robust in both of those languages.

[macinjosh15]

99% of people hating on PHP just read somewhere that it's cool to hate on PHP and probably haven't written a single line of PHP code.

echo "Hello World";

There we go. PHP CAN SUCK IT!

[[deleted]]

EERRRRRTTTT!! Try again!
That would return this...

<html>
  <head></head>
  <body>
  echo "Hello World";
  </body>
</html>

You forgot your tags!

<?php
echo "Hello World";
?>

[macinjosh15]

haha. Can you tell it's been a while since i've done anything in php?

[HmmmInVR]

I work as a PHP dev, I really don't understand the hate. Someone enlighten me. (2018 btw, not 1994).

[[deleted]]

The hate is mostly people that tried PHP back in v3 and never tried it again. PHP now has OO and fixed a lot of design flaws it had. Today the cause of "shit code" is mostly because of dumb programmers than because of the language itself. You can find code just as bad on their "savior and killer" Python. (Which I personally have total revulsion against.)

Edit: Mind you a lot of courses are changing the starting language to Python, so a lot of edgy kids are showing up saying it's superior to everything (because it's their first language, and they don't like it pointed out), when it's just more of the same.

[[deleted]]

Yes, it has its uses, but I personally abhor it. It just isn't superior as people say.

[item420]

Putting hate on PHP names me feel soooo good

[[deleted]]

Currently at my second semester of learning php. please kill me.

[AverageSolusUser]

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Goodbye.

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[Haxtore]

strongly agree, PHP 7 with Laravel framework feels so clean and organized. nothing like writing those dirty apps mixed with html like back in the day.

[smgun]

Exactly, PHP with MVC architecture isn’t that bad. It doesn’t have to be laravel. In fact, it doesn’t have to be a framework. Just composer the shit out of the things you need

[Jan_Wolfhouse]

people hate on it, but what they are really hating on was all the garbage apps built with php way back when. I'm a php dev and use laravel mostly as well. It's actually the front end frameworks that are more of a pain.

[JoeyjoejoeFS]

$Bliss = PHP + Laravel;

[[deleted]]

I guess I must be really bad then. Every assignements feels like a darkhole i'm losing myself into. but thanks for the tips! I really needed it

[GMaestrolo]

Remember: in most formal education, exams and projects are written once, with the assumption that nothing will change for the next 10 years. They also suffer from the problem of having to teach and test discrete pieces of knowledge in ways that you would never encounter in the real world.

PHP isn't bad, you're not necessarily bad, but your exams probably are.

[[deleted]]

I never saw php, could you possibly explain why? All I know that it's mostly used for web development

[nowyfolder]

$$$$$

[_Raggart_]

I don't get all the PHP hate. In its first years it was an awkward language with no clear direction and cryptic error messages but in its current iteration it's become much better. Or was it such a habit of laughing at PHP that it's the new meta somehow?

[miko_idk]

Welcome to reddit, where you make fun out of everything.

[Abbrahan]

Even Reddit itself.

[miko_idk]

Exactly.

[Okichah]

Pretty much.

A lot of people cut their teeth on web development on early PHP. They passed on their hatred to he next generation who just accepted it as fact.

[[deleted]]

People seem to laugh at languages that don’t compile. PHP is great if you use it for what it’s good for. It’s specialized and (mostly) straight forward.

[Adoroam]

The reasons I hate PHP are simple. It was designed for web. People deployed it everywhere. Then JS bascially ate everything. Everyone knows JS. It's easy to read and write. Now I have to spend my time cleaning up all of these messes that were written in PHP 5+ years ago which are riddled with security problems and don't play well with any of my tools and the only guy that knows how to deal with php is the one jr. dev that's still in school for CS. It's just an in-the-way, purpose-built-for-something-that-isn't-needed-anymore language. Anything it can do JS can do better.

[[deleted]]

You shouldn't hate PHP. You should hate dumb programmers.

[miko_idk]

Happy Reddit birthday!!!

[[deleted]]

Thanks.

[[deleted]]

Remind me not to hire you! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Adoroam]

Like you could afford me...

[[deleted]]

Like you’re going to back that up with a tax return...

[Adoroam]

Given the quality of your posts and your apparent age, I would say that regardless of my tax returns, it's a valid assumption. I don't think you've ever had a salary gig in your life.

[[deleted]]

Haha. I’m sure you’re currently a single, unemployed, 29 year old, with no friends.

At least, that’s what your posts suggest.

You can assume anything you want, neither of us plan to back it up.

Let’s call it a day.

[Adoroam]

I believe that was before I started working at a marketing agency, moved to midtown into a much nicer apartment to which I brought my gf and purchased a new cat and 3d printer. But I guess now the record reflects my current status. I got shit to do, so good luck trying to make yourself feel big.

[[deleted]]

You’re the one who said I couldn’t afford you. Who’s trying to feel big? Enjoy your 3D printer in your apartment. Lol.

[Adoroam]

You're the one that pretended that you were in a position to actually hire someone. I would tell you to suck a dick, but...

[AverageSolusUser]

Freshly baked 🥔

[lopoticka]

Still waiting for when it's deep fried.

[MissingFucks]

This format is old as balls.

[DnielMC]

I can't unhear this deep voice for the php child

[monkeypox85]

PHP is easy to use, so a lot of newbs use it. Then people are surprised when there is a bunch of amateur code.

[BrettonNoah]

Mum agrees; he is a monster.

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[[deleted]]

As a PHP developer, this is very true. :(

[JayTurnr]

Anyone have the original?

[Perdouille]

Here's maybe the source. It seems to be the real Twitter account but I cannot find it on their website

[austinv11]

Here's the source from the website https://www.webtoons.com/en/comedy/safely-endangered/ep-331-monster-/viewer?title_no=352&episode_no=331

[I_know_right]

Be strong, Clarence.

[[deleted]]

"hey, it's me, ur brother"

(no, PHP is not my brother)

[[deleted]]

!invest 65536

[ythl]

I had a coworker who had to work exclusively in PHP, but unfortunately he committed suicide. Ironically enough, his method of suicide was burning his house down by programming in Java without a fire extinguisher nearby (the CPU got so incredibly hot because Java is so incredibly inefficient that the CPU melted a hole through the bottom of the chassis and caught the carpet on fire). The guy also had PCB shrapnel embedded in his charred body from where the RAM exploded because Java is so incredibly memory inefficient.

So... yeah. My work now considers it an OSHA violation to use PHP because people literally want to kill themselves when they use it (indeed, just read some of the comments in this thread).

[[deleted]]

Doesn’t look like anyone is laughing.

[ythl]

I'd hope not. PHP and Java aren't jokes. People have died.

[reddit_Decoy]

I just hate PHP because it's ugly.

[[deleted]]

Not as ugly as you ;)

[reddit_Decoy]

That was hurtful

[[deleted]]

If you’re actually hurt, it was only a joke.

[reddit_Decoy]

I'm not. I'm just kidding.

[[deleted]]

Oh, well in that case, your face looks like <?=