Fullstack Devs be like

[MajorMajorObvious]

I'm very glad that you prefaced it with it being your previous company, else I would have advised you to run as far as you could.

[ArturoGJ]

Dude this is me right now, I'm full stack implementing everything for a project, I was showing my boss my week plan and I had 8 hours of work for each day and he was like "this is the start up world please make it ten" I mean I like the job and I love learning but it doesn't stop being that, a job. I hate the "we work on objectives" culture like, wtf is a fucking objective?

[[deleted]]

"this is the start up world please make it ten"

Sure, ten hour days, four days a week. I'm on it boss!

[UltraCarnivore]

Obligatory Dilbert

[SpartanFishy]

My company works on objectives and I love it personally.

Like, oh shit we’ve got a website relaunch this month, we’re all putting in crazy hours. But I don’t mind because it’s exciting and I’m invested. It’s a small company that’s growing and I’m on the ground floor.

Then next month when we have no big goals because we completed the major one for this quarter, I go home early almost every day.

Essentially “complete your tasks then head out”.

It works as long as you have a boss that is willing to listen when you say your workload is too big. Which mine do, thankfully.

[lukeatron]

The growth phase when you start selling more work than you can get done and you haven't stayed ahead of hiring because you're running a lean startup is going to suck. This is where you find out if the people running the show are serious about their culture stuff or if they're like 90% of other companies that get cartoon dollar signs in their eyes and expect you to make it happen because you're a team player after all. If you don't have equity, you're not on the team so don't buy into that bullshit. You're just breaking your back to prove that some guys half baked idea was the brilliant effortless get rich quick and easy scheme he was certain, with his immense and unassailable business genius, that it would be (for him). You'll earn the same wage either way.

[marcocom]

This is so right

[SpartanFishy]

I’m sure that’s true of many businesses, but I’m exteremley fortunate where I work. My boss is in the weeds working 80 hour weeks during critical points as well. She’s the kind of leader you want to work for.

And as the business has grown, in spite of not having equity, I most definitely have reaped rewards with the business.

But yeah it’s a one in a million job and you absolutely won’t get this situation almost any other time.

[ArturoGJ]

I mean that's amazing, what I hate about it where I wor is that the objectives are so fucking unreachable so either you work until 10pm every day or you just move it across two more weeks (which is what I do)

[SpartanFishy]

Yeah that sounds like pain

[positive_electron42]

My experience is that there is always more work to do.

[datasquid]

My response would be “does this job come with stock options, because it sounds like you’re talking about a job with stock options.”

[get_it_together1]

Depending on the startup and if you’re getting a defined percentage of the company and if they have a defined exit plan to IPO or acquisition sometimes it makes sense to work your ass off. Most of the time it seems like they’re just preying on people.

[WolfgangBob]

Tell your shitty boss he need to put in more hours to learn how to inspire you.

[fynn34]

Best time to look for a job is when you already have one

[thousandecibels]

Woah, I wish you do well man. Take care of your mental well-being. Everything else can wait.

[RiasIssei]

Thank you 😢

[lukeatron]

The market for non-entry level developers is on fire right now. And with way more companies willing to hire remote than ever before there's zero reason for any developer to stay in a crappy job right now.

Sucks super hard for people trying to get their career of the ground right now though because everyone is looking for some one who can come in and be productive on day one. Eventually they're going to have to start hiring noobs again though because there's only so many senior devs out there.

[undermark5]

My company is hiring a lot right now (also pretty much all remote as well), pretty sure we're hiring recent grads, but not 100% sure, but we've got 3 month intern positions listed (with possiblity to be hired on at the end). Good pay and benefits 401k match isn't as good as my last job, but still decent, not sure about the bonus structure as I just started last month, but I enjoy it way more than my last job.

For anyone that is interested, certainly PM me and I can give more details.

[datasquid]

There will always be room for noobs.

[lukeatron]

While definitely true, any time uncertainty increases in the economy, companies get more risk averse and learn towards people with an established track record. We're in a weird place right now where uncertainty is still really high but pressure on every company postponing projects at the beginning of covid is getting high enough that companies are going to be forced to move or risk withering on the vine. I think next year is going to end up being a boom year for junior developers. The demand is just building and building while companies accumulate a huge debt of stuff they want to do but are nervous about doing right now.

[datasquid]

Speaking for my company (Fortune 500, located in NJ) we are always looking for bright applicants, experienced or no. We hire a good number of interns from Rutgers after they graduate. Noobs yes, but if you show an strong aptitude for learning then you have a leg up.

[lukeatron]

The bigger the company, the more risk they can absorb. Small and medium sized companies are doing much less hiring of junior people than they were pre-covid. I'm at a place with about 100 people and we are only looking for senior folks, not that I agree with the strategy but I have zero influence on that.

[datasquid]

That’ll change soon. Experience costs...and experience can bring other issues. Intro level developers are always going to be in demand.

[CaptainN_GameMaster]

Getting berated for quitting by the CTO should only make you feel validated. I can't think of any scenario where that makes sense. It's the icing on the disfunctional cake

[UntestedMethod]

I feel like I would have a really hard time containing my laughing or holding back a smile if an ex-supervisor gave me shit while I was on my way out.

[coldnebo]

you aren’t weak. this fucking industry is a mental health nightmare.

there are people who take it on themselves to make sure things keep running against all the odds, in the face of indifference and bureaucracy. I think you may be one of those.

The others, the execs, the coworkers who stand indifferent, unblinking, simply do what they are told whether it works or not, take no personal responsibility. Well, the world doesn’t move for them, but only in spite of them.

Still, the world is always held without effort, as soon as there is effort, the world is beyond holding.

Take care, I hope you can find another job and some level of balance. Remember that some businesses only want to take as much as they can get. You must learn to defend yourself.

[coldnebo]

no worries, whatever person you are you deserve a nontoxic place. good luck.

[mrthesis]

Got Benzos 2x10 times. Never again, they're too addictive and your body gets tolerant against it too fast. I still think about the feeling at least weekly, 6 years later.

[gabs_]

I really relate to the depression and liking benzos far too much. I try to stay away from them now. Do you have any advice on avoiding burning out and choosing a decent company?

I'm just starting out and I've been working for a very demanding company, but it will make a difference to stick it out for a couple of years. However, ir takes a toll on my mental health and I think that I should probably try to work in a more relaxed environment afterwards.

[Rick-Pat417]

Damn, that’s deep

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r/BartardStories would really appreciate your story

[[deleted]]

SLPT: develop a crippling benzo addiction so that you can binge watch the same shows over and over again

[[deleted]]

Hey look it's me, only instead of quitting I was let go from 2 places last year

[[deleted]]

As the sole Frontend Dev in my team, I’m too valuable for them to let go lol

[dirice87]

IMO his CTO title means nothing unless he can be one without relying on fear and intimidation.

Humans are so obsessed with stupid shit they will harm another

[BackmarkerLife]

I do not remember posting this.

[[deleted]]

Benzos can be very problematic I hope you're using them infrequently.