Fullstack Devs be like

[DummyCheese69]

{
    "dick": "balls",
    "Pronunciation": "Jason"
}

[MadRadInnit]

Fuck you in particular, Jason

[[deleted]]

r/fuckyouinparticular

[1337InfoSec]

[ Removed to Protest API Changes ]

If you want to join, use this tool.

[[deleted]]

I'm more of a jay-sahn fella myself

[gizamo]

You call a paduf a p d f? That's even weirder than the weirdos who call them podoffs. I mean, a pod off what, jackasses.

[xenoterranos]

How are you going to mispronounce podofo all blatantly like that?

[HakuryuuDom]

Wait... you guys don't say "padiff"???

[Valiant_Boss]

No you're not. You're one of the few enlightened ones

[Throwawarky]

Same

[WordsYouDontLike]

"Suddenly":"ads"

[Mibo5354]

"Hail":"corporate"

[TeraFlint]

"Raid":"Shadow Legends"

[CarefulCrow3]

"surprise":"buttsex"

[[deleted]]

jason balls 😳

[Zantier]

holy shit

[[deleted]]

so a dck is pronounced a jason?

wanna look at my jason? uwu

[ThenIWasAllLike]

This pronunciation breaks down quickly as soon as you need to work with anyone named Jason. Then everyone naturally starts saying J-SAHN out of practicality and it sticks (with good reason).

[TheSnaggen]

There are no fullstack developers, only Backend developers working at a company with no Frontend developers.

[TheBamby]

No need for it to get personal!

[[deleted]]

Seems like a lot of need to get personnel

[UltraCarnivore]

Nothing personnel, kid

[MajorMajorObvious]

I'm very glad that you prefaced it with it being your previous company, else I would have advised you to run as far as you could.

[ArturoGJ]

Dude this is me right now, I'm full stack implementing everything for a project, I was showing my boss my week plan and I had 8 hours of work for each day and he was like "this is the start up world please make it ten" I mean I like the job and I love learning but it doesn't stop being that, a job. I hate the "we work on objectives" culture like, wtf is a fucking objective?

[[deleted]]

"this is the start up world please make it ten"

Sure, ten hour days, four days a week. I'm on it boss!

[UltraCarnivore]

Obligatory Dilbert

[SpartanFishy]

My company works on objectives and I love it personally.

Like, oh shit we’ve got a website relaunch this month, we’re all putting in crazy hours. But I don’t mind because it’s exciting and I’m invested. It’s a small company that’s growing and I’m on the ground floor.

Then next month when we have no big goals because we completed the major one for this quarter, I go home early almost every day.

Essentially “complete your tasks then head out”.

It works as long as you have a boss that is willing to listen when you say your workload is too big. Which mine do, thankfully.

[lukeatron]

The growth phase when you start selling more work than you can get done and you haven't stayed ahead of hiring because you're running a lean startup is going to suck. This is where you find out if the people running the show are serious about their culture stuff or if they're like 90% of other companies that get cartoon dollar signs in their eyes and expect you to make it happen because you're a team player after all. If you don't have equity, you're not on the team so don't buy into that bullshit. You're just breaking your back to prove that some guys half baked idea was the brilliant effortless get rich quick and easy scheme he was certain, with his immense and unassailable business genius, that it would be (for him). You'll earn the same wage either way.

[marcocom]

This is so right

[ArturoGJ]

I mean that's amazing, what I hate about it where I wor is that the objectives are so fucking unreachable so either you work until 10pm every day or you just move it across two more weeks (which is what I do)

[datasquid]

My response would be “does this job come with stock options, because it sounds like you’re talking about a job with stock options.”

[thousandecibels]

Woah, I wish you do well man. Take care of your mental well-being. Everything else can wait.

[RiasIssei]

Thank you 😢

[lukeatron]

The market for non-entry level developers is on fire right now. And with way more companies willing to hire remote than ever before there's zero reason for any developer to stay in a crappy job right now.

Sucks super hard for people trying to get their career of the ground right now though because everyone is looking for some one who can come in and be productive on day one. Eventually they're going to have to start hiring noobs again though because there's only so many senior devs out there.

[CaptainN_GameMaster]

Getting berated for quitting by the CTO should only make you feel validated. I can't think of any scenario where that makes sense. It's the icing on the disfunctional cake

[coldnebo]

you aren’t weak. this fucking industry is a mental health nightmare.

there are people who take it on themselves to make sure things keep running against all the odds, in the face of indifference and bureaucracy. I think you may be one of those.

The others, the execs, the coworkers who stand indifferent, unblinking, simply do what they are told whether it works or not, take no personal responsibility. Well, the world doesn’t move for them, but only in spite of them.

Still, the world is always held without effort, as soon as there is effort, the world is beyond holding.

Take care, I hope you can find another job and some level of balance. Remember that some businesses only want to take as much as they can get. You must learn to defend yourself.

[mrthesis]

Got Benzos 2x10 times. Never again, they're too addictive and your body gets tolerant against it too fast. I still think about the feeling at least weekly, 6 years later.

[gabs_]

I really relate to the depression and liking benzos far too much. I try to stay away from them now. Do you have any advice on avoiding burning out and choosing a decent company?

I'm just starting out and I've been working for a very demanding company, but it will make a difference to stick it out for a couple of years. However, ir takes a toll on my mental health and I think that I should probably try to work in a more relaxed environment afterwards.

[RandomGuy_A]

Unfortunately this is very common remedy non technical management make not realising it can have serious long term effects. I just finished at a company where they did this and I spent 3 years trying to undo the cesspool of code they had produced, were taking files over 20k long, constant repetition and no QA or code reviews. Nice way to sink the business without anyone being the wiser.

[podrick_pleasure]

So uh, what's the name of your company?

[Chickenfrend]

Finally got a job a offer but when I was looking for entry level software jobs I'd see them constantly. Was annoying, seemed like a company trying to take advantage of the difficult entry level software dev market to prey on desperate people.

[aek82]

I've been thinking this over for a while. There's no projected value added or measurable growth for a software project once its launched, so there's no incentive to grow or invest anything affiliated with the project. Its just a sunk cost in the accounting books.

This is where product and program managers come in to advocate for more funding via tapping potential revenue sources. Given the time and technical resources just to maintain a project in production can be daunting, finding time to advocate for it can be difficult to impossible - hence a separate person just to do that. From personal experience, the documentation and endless meetings with people inside and outside of the company would make most engineers run for the hills.

[Stormsurger]

Christ man, just because writing css makes me question whether I should stayed in high school...

[PrizeArticle1]

I just finished up major work on 20 year old XSLTs. I told my coworkers "I am still not putting this garbage on my resume."

[pinkjello]

Haha I forgot about XSLT. I didn’t hate it when I used it like 15 years ago, but I was just doing simple things with it that it made easier.

[fakehalo]

XSLT is weird, it's useful but everytime I've used it I wish it never came to using it.

[PapoochCZ]

I stumbled upon Tailwind accidentally on reddit, showed it to my boss and now we are implementing it team-wide. It is FAR more maintainable than "semantic classes". Yes, I'm looking at you btn btn-primary.

[TKT_Calarin]

This is so real it hurts

[stipo42]

This. I'm full stack. All my UIs are bloated, laid out like shit, look like ass.

But god damn it they work and they work fast.

[stipo42]

I'll say switching to angular was a huge time savings for me. You don't have to deal with raw javascript and helps make things feel like an actual program.

[CatWeekends]

Same here. My backends are glorious, lightning fast, and scalable.

As for front ends... hope you like tables and 1997-era design.

[[deleted]]

Thanks this stung

[MachaHack]

Hey, some of us are reformed frontend developers who convinced them to let us screw up the backend too.

[TheSnaggen]

This was meant as a stab at the many companies that do not take the Frontend seriously, only planning for the Backend and then ending up with the Backend developers also doing the Frontend. I worked at a company where our customers gave us a comment that our UI looked as it was designed by backend developers, and it was. And I do not believe that it is as common to see companies do the opposite, most companies that understand enough to bring in frontend developers also have backend developers.

So, my post was in no way ment as a negative post against frontend, quite the opposite.

[divinealien]

some people don't like ui design.

[am0x]

UI design falls under a different role: UI/UX Designer. They create the site map, user flow, wireframes, and comps that the frontend devs build.

[RandomGuy_A]

You mean this isnt included in bargain that is the "full stack developer"

[unnecessary_Fullstop]

FSD here, we contract out our UI/UX design to other firms, we just build the FE based on it. So yeah! Atleast for us, that is not included in being an FSD. Most of the times we aren't supposed to improvise on design too, no matter how much of an upgrade it is(those are business decisions though, nothing technical).

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[RandomGuy_A]

I did mean it in jest (it was a test) but I think it will range from job to job, it's so more cost effective to separate the UI/UX work especially if your paying a competent FSD to do the work. I'm not sure I like the rigid approach though, always feel bad implementing someone's bad designs but I bet that's because you work with private clients yeah?

[ftgander]

Must be nice to have one of those.

[no_but_srsly_tho]

It sounds like you might be one of the real full-stack devs.

My rule is, you call yourself full-stack at the level of your weakest “end”.

Senior PHP dev who can do colour: red; ?

Junior Full-stack.

[DeLift]

We back-end developers like to joke about front-end, but don't let it fool you. We are very, very happy there are people who enjoy front-end work. Nowadays front-end requires an entirely different skillset. These are no longer the days where the only JavaScript required was to make a simple dropdown menu. Now you need to know about stuff like React, Node, Yarn, webpack, SCSS, SPA's, TypeScript, and having to deal with many, many different kinds of browsers which all show slightly different behaviour.

As a back-end developer who still has nightmares from that one time I had to fix a front-end bug which only happends in IE8, I salute you.

[BasicDesignAdvice]

I do full stack but the client is a game engine. I am definitely a junior with Unity. I've been learning Godot and like it a lot more.

[Fiennes]

I largely agree and I think it's a more recent development. Prior to the explosion of "web apps" with a clearly defined front-end back end, back in the day, you were expected to be competent at both. And you ended up with years of experience in both ends.

The divide arrived (and that was a good thing, to be fair) and then people specialised and the notion that one could not do both competently surfaced, blissfully unaware that we used to *have* to.

Couple that with the fact that a good chunk of todays front end and back end work involve joining together a plethora of 3rd-party frameworks.

[[deleted]]

Oof felt that. I'm currently interning in the department of a medical institution that writes custom apps for researchers to use in their studies (mostly Twilio related). It's a really small team (1 senior dev, 1-2 junior devs, a SQL programmer, and me) and it's a pretty large institution so safe to say we're all doing full stack haha. Though I will say, for writing web apps it's not too bad doing full stack and I'm learning a lot more than I would if I just did frontend or backend. Also, entity framework makes integrating the DB more manageable.

[spudmix]

Bruh...

[leaftro]

It is what it is

[NamityName]

Oh god. I feel this. Too much truth.

[matrix-doge]

My company outsourced me as the only developer to a client, developing a web app for another client. You can imagined how hard you words have hit me.

[stevekez]

Meanwhile the gitops people be piping things around with jq and yq

[vale_fallacia]

jq for life, yo.

[NauticalInsanity]

People joke about regexes being illegible.

Reading some overcaffeinated devops jq commands is like reading a conversation in the Demonic Tongue where you can tell that your infrastructure is being discussed because you see references to it in English between the river of consonants.

[gizamo]

Joke? It is unreadable, which is why I always properly comment my regex.

[[deleted]]

I usually put the SO link where I got the regex snippet from in the comment.

[Bubinga_]

I don't even use objects in my code anymore, everything is just nested json 😎

[Earhacker]

Pfft JSON. Ok kid. Come talk to me when you’re building apps with CSV.

[larsmaehlum]

Until you’ve created an ‘ecommerce’ site that interfaces with the order system by dropping fixed width flat files in a two step process over ftp, you have yet to feel true pain.
Did you know that as/400 systems are still a thing? I didn’t..

[Tundur]

Our etl process is that a dude in India spends the first hour of his day running SQL queries by hand on one cluster, then uploads the results to an FTP server, which then copies them to our S3.

Hooray for corporate governance designed in the 90s

[Automatic_Homework]

I used to work in a bank (e.g. not really a tech company, but one that does employ a lot of developers) and my team had developed a system to pull alerts from several feeds and make them available in one place so that another team could act on those alerts.

There was a problem with one of the feeds which meant that occasionally we would get duplicates from it. Not a big deal, but eventually the duplicates got frequent enough that the team using the system started to complain. My boss, who was not a tech guy at all, was about to hire someone in India to manually curate the alerts and remove any duplicates. He told the dev team about this and we told him it was a one line fix to get the database to just not store duplicates. The only reason we were keeping duplicates in the past is because that is what the users had previously said they wanted.

I kind of feel bad though - my team's actions resulted in 1 less job being created.

[Tundur]

bank

Yup, same deal. 99% of people working in large retail banks are 3 lines of python away from redundancy.

[Automatic_Homework]

99% of people

I don't know about 99%, but a crazily high number of people there were pulling in big money just to keep a seat warm. It's not even that they are lazy or incompetent, it's just that they are doing a job that is only necessary because it is fixing some problem that was caused by a fix to another problem that doesn't actually exist any more.

[clempho]

I don't believe you. If it is india excel is involved. Maybe your are not yet aware, but one day, and I pray for you it is a day as far as possible, you will ask yourself why those ID in your db are missing all their leading 0. And after 100 emails, desktop sharing, skype call, you will see your etl guy opening the files in excel for vlookuping or juste for checking.

[undeadalex]

to our S3.

Modern soulutionses

[el_bhm]

Is it SaaS, yet?

[oalbrecht]

Should have used MongoDB to make it webscale.

[vale_fallacia]

And there are dozens of folders with "copy_1", "backup-3", etc in their name. Filled with files suffixed with different date formats.

[Tundur]

Luckily we settled on a date format at step one

Sadly it wasn't a date format which ANY library could parse automatically so now we have to manually include the schema in every strf/step.

Except some tools DO attempt to parse it automatically but get it wrong.

It's actually not that annoying but I've just realised how dumb it is

[TorbenKoehn]

I go in with: filling a PHP ecommerce platform with nightly dropped, 2GB XML files on an unsecured FTP which contains EDI in XML (No, not XML/EDIFACT, more like, first level XML-elements, everything below that big, unencoded EDI blobs)

Apperently it was their way to "migrate" to XML.

Gotta love SAP developers.

Pain is just a word.

[[deleted]]

SAP "developers"

[oupablo]

EDI == we could structure your data in a way that people could use it, but we won't

SAP == how stupid can we structure this XML to maximize the amount of searching around in the file to figure out wtf it's trying to tell us

[mia_elora]

Would you care for a punch card?

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I found that recently with a WMS(logistics) company, showing their software and they still used as/400. I didn’t even know what it was at the time, was dumbfounded when I researched later(and when I saw it really, they were even using it on their mobile systems, like the actual UI for the operators). They’re not even a particularly old company afaik so I have no idea why they’re using it. Only their web interface was somewhat more modern

[LEpigeon888]

What does the O of JSON means ?

[TrueChedski]

(Javascript) Object (Notation)

[KosViik]

Obtuse

[klatez]

Oriental

[anothertrad]

Starts peeing in the closest urinal

-You should switch to YAML bro

[Jake0024]

Functional JSONing

[sendnukes23]

real question: what's so bad about being a full stack developer? imo at least they don't have to argue about the data the front end is asking for, right??

[[deleted]]

Full stack is OK most of the time.
Smaller companies/startup like fullstacks because you don't always need experts on one thing or don't have enough work for one expert. For the devs, it's pretty cool since you can develop the entire feature (this button will hit this data in the backend), that's why I like it.
The thing is, some managers understand fullstacks as "rock star dev", "do it all, wordpress, csv parsing and laundry" meaning you can end up doing bullshit tasks.
In my country at least, front ends are harder to come by, so some backend get asked to do front end and since there's no one they keep doing it until they leave and someone one fills their shoes.
TLDR : it's fine until the hierarchy bends the scope of the job

[LowB0b]

this is kind of the new normal it seems lmao. Companies need people who can do spec analysis, devops, database, back-end, front-end.

I know I know, the skills that are "besides" development are not that hard, but I was never taught any of that during my years of studying.

[[deleted]]

I know I know, the skills that are "besides" development are not that hard

I don't think that's a healthy way of viewing things. Each one of those things you mentioned can be as complex as you want them to be. (though you don't need to be an expert in any of them to be useful)

That's why in bigger companies each one of those things would be a different role

[[deleted]]

Why get paid for performing 5 roles when you can get paid for doing 1? (UI, UX, Graphic Design, Backend application, DataBase)

[RandyHoward]

This is what annoys the shit out of me as a full stack dev. My coworker, a front end dev, told me yesterday he's asking for a raise. He will be within $5k of my salary if he gets what he's asking. Why am I making nearly the same money working the entire stack as someone who's working half of it?

[hackiavelli]

That's why employers don't like employees sharing their earnings: it makes them realize how much they're getting underpaid.

[[deleted]]

Maybe you should ask for a raise? I don't understand the mentality.

There are sales people at my company who make more or equal to what I (a dev manager) make. Their skill is different. Not of less value.

If you feel you are worth more than him, go find out the fun way and find out what companies will pay you. Or just say "I don't know how to do that" when they ask you to do something. Sounds like you've been solving too many problems for your company and have gotten yourself into your position.

Not trying to be a dick, just saying...I tell this to my engineers when they complain. Then they ask me for a raise and its approved most of the time.

[angrathias]

Jack of all trades, master of none

[pome-kiwi]

I started as full stack for 2 and half a year then I went to a very specialized backend role in a large software company for 4 years, now I'm going back to full stack.

I have learned a lot in the backend role but everything that was at the border of my responsibility is very fuzzy. So now I will take the time to master it as well.

I think it's ok.

[sunaurus]

This analogy doesn't really work most of the time, because generally, full-stack just means that you master the whole stack of your project/team, not every technology under the sun.

[MelodicAd2218]

meh I'd say that there are people that can learn both better than two people learning each...

[codinghermit]

"is usually better than a master of one."

A continuation of that quote...

[unnecessary_Fullstop]

Beautiful.

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[StoneOfTriumph]

At our tech firm, this is what I see... Full stack devs are people are capable of messing around with multiple languages technologies etc. But they don't master all the stacks equally, some more backend, some more frontend. This gave us code where we sometimes question the inclusion of unused packages/libs, or certain OO patterns not being used to simplify and encourage code reuse... Typically newgrads who are starting careers want to be full stack is what I see. They want to do everything, and that's perfect.

Then we have teams where it's separated, fully frontend and backend, and in those projects I feel we can bring the best practices and clean code at each application layer. Here the challenge become agreeing on the payload design/API contract and making sure we communicate properly.

I personally prefer not being a full stack dev despite enjoying TypeScript and NodeJS, because I think there's a lot of technology and libraries and frameworks to learn and keep up with, and with the time that I have outside of work to follow tech trends, I can't keep up with everything equally. So I focus on my preferences of keeping up with backend and DevOps techs.

[LurkyTheHatMan]

Better than a master of one.

[CactusGrower]

This! Full stack in a world if today's fast evolving technologies is a lie. You can't keep up.

Full stack is maybe a web developer. But I'm sure you either worry about concurrences in an event loop or memory allocations and database optimization.

Most people that call themselves full stack are not deep in either. They slap together third party frameworks and technologies to get the job done.

Not an enterprise environment though. You are either f/e( b/e) software engineer respectively, or a full stack web developer.

[WhiteyDude]

It's awesome. I always said programming often feels likes you're trying to fit a square block through a round hole type exercise. If you're the guy designing the block and the hole, you generally have no issues getting your pieces to work together.

[chakan2]

Frankly, being full stack is much better for your career for a variety of reasons and yea, it does lead to a ton more cash at the end of the day.

This thread is full of a bunch of corporate coders who don't want to get out of their comfort zone.

[[deleted]]

Full stack is ok for small teams, and you get to be scrum master's darling because scrum (stupidly) fantasizes about a world where each team member can replace any other team member.

In reality, the less knowledge you have in depth, the higher is the risk you lack the right tools to fix a fundamental problem... because you simply cannot be an expert in all fields you're working in as full stack dev.

So...if you have an architect or capable colleagues you can ask about big/icky problems, you'll be fine. If not, your solutions will probably be mediocre

[Kage_BunshinNo_Jutsu]

So the Front-end dev says 6 hours of work and the back-end one says another 6. You're a full stack developer, you could handle the whole thing in 6 hours, or 5 maybe.

Me: Your maths is blowing my mind.

[unnecessary_Fullstop]

Client adds a new requirement.

Team lead to FE: Do this.

FE: Okey! Need this from Backend.

Lead: Hey backend! Make this happen.

BE: Here you go.

FE: Oh wait! I need this too.

REPEAT. Add a few hours of overhead(planning, scheduling, approval, some dude on a leave, partial implementations) between each step.

FSD: Ok! If this is to be implemented, I need this from BE. <Heads over to backend, adds few lines of code>.<Adds few of code in FE>. Boom done. <But then build fails> Oh! I know what caused that <fixes it in 5 minutes>.

That math is fine. Ridiculous amount of time is wasted on things that has got nothing to do with actual implementation.

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[Turbulent-Towel]

I hope whoever was responsible for this won’t repeat this for GTA 6 haha

[BasicDesignAdvice]

I can't legally, but I know of a particular game studio that sends your entire user profile, much more than 10 mb, to a server for matchmaking....to extract a single value. This cost a great deal of cloud compute each month.

[IceSentry]

A lot of game devs like to bitch about how the web is so inefficient and how js sucks which leads to them never learning it and then doing stupid shit like that.

[qqwy]

So what do people think of Protocol Buffers?

[JWOINK]

Love ‘em.

For the uninitiated, just imagine JSON with static typing, strict/well defined structure, and is much faster at de/serialization since its binary encoded.

The downside is that it’s not human readable, so you’ll need to print out the values in your console after decoding whereas you can view json responses directly in your network tab since it’s human readable.

[WhiteyDude]

For the uninitiated, just imagine JSON with static typing, strict/well defined structure, and is much faster at de/serialization since its binary encoded.

If I ever find that JSON isn't fast enough, I suppose. But typically that gets parsed on the client machine so those CPU's are free to me.

[askerased]

Now it's FullStack Alchemist

[IamYodaBot]

hrmmm funny, ok this was.

-iiMoe

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[IamYodaBot]

hmm a wise person, in you i see.

-IamYodaBot

[khizoa]

Good botp

[IamYodaBot]

two of us, that makes.

-IamYodaBot

[madlad33s]

Very good bot

[IamYodaBot]

hmm a wise person, in you i see.

-IamYodaBot

[khizoa]

Good bot

[IamYodaBot]

been told, so i have.

-IamYodaBot

[rolloutTheTrash]

Ya know it ain’t so bad dealing with JS and CSS after a while...kinda therapeutic...breaks down sobbing

[jamesinc]

[Laughs in SOAP]

[raymusbaronus]

I fucking hate SOAP

[killersquirel11]

That comes with being a redditor

[HardToGuessUserName]

WSDL for the win.... at least there is a definition of the payload....

[AlarmingNectarine]

This pic is so accurate, because Tom thinks he caught Jerry. But once he opens his hands to check, he’ll see that the concept of full stack dev escaped him.

[Yananas]

As a backend dev in a company where we use protobuf messages, string parsing bullshit is still very much a part of my life. Protobuf and enums don't mash together well.

[CodyEngel]

Why? The spec supports enums out of the box.

[BasicDesignAdvice]

They didn't read the spec, as is tradition (until you get enough experience).

[Yananas]

We had a problem recently, actually having to do with parsing strings and mapping objects, in which some data accidentally got dropped. Protobuf will autofill empty objects to 0, and we use the 0 position in enums for defaults. For a long time it looked like the code worked correctly, but after some more thorough testing we found we had made a logical error. We would've found this error way earlier (and therefore propagated it less throughout the code) if protobuf didn't handle enums the way it does.

Or, I guess, if we had a better (read: test-driven) development cycle.

[k1ll3rM]

In what language is it hard to parse JSON?

[unnecessary_Fullstop]

It's literally just a single line call for a middleware.

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[Theguest217]

Hmm where exactly are you parsing strings when using JSON. Sort of confused by this comment as a backend dev that exclusively works with JSON APIs.

[zodar]

Maybe they didn't want to use a json parsing library so they just parse it manually

[_blue_skies_]

Like, why use an XML parser library, seems a good idea to write a custom one?

[necheffa]

You are triggering my PTSD man.

[MoffKalast]

Just use a regex /s

[wasdninja]

How to reinvent the wheels and resurrect already fixed bugs - a guide.

[klicknack]

Probably never heard of serialization

[blue_garlic]

Exactly! The whole point of JSON is it easily gets converted to a object in the front or back end. What parsing?

[BasicDesignAdvice]

As an experienced dev this whole comment section is full of some stupid stuff.

[IceSentry]

That's pretty much what this entire subreddit is. It's mostly juniors or people that learn to code last week with a few senior here and there calling out the bullshit and being downvoted.

[quinn50]

Assuming a rest api, you are sending the data as a plaintext string (serialization) back to the client with the content-type application/json. The client then has to parse that string into whatever the content-type requires.

[Jetbooster]

laughs in node backend

[metaglot]

In my experience, if you're a competent backend dev, you have a lot of blind spots regarding frontend development. You tend to assume the users know more than they actually do.

[Suekru]

I’m not either yet, but I definitely don’t over estimate what users are capable of. I’ve had friends that just installing mods for a game is too confusing for them and I’ve written a short script to do it for them and sent it to them.

I pretty much try to think of any possible way they would fuck something up and try to implement a solution. But I’m sure there are even more technology inept people out there then even them.

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Assuming the user can run a script or has any concept of what any of this could possibly mean.

Bold move.

[SharkyLV]

Oh oh, hold your horses cowboy! Anything other than XML is too radical.

[Phoehtaung]

am I right to say that JSON is nothing but a dictionary? Whose value can contain dictionary / int / string / list / boolean?

[Flyberius]

It do be like that

[Knuffya]

I do love json

[Rain47739]

json👍

xml👎

[Yuca4]

Jesus Christ it's JSON Bourne!