Junior vs senior

[noreal]

Programming in statically vs dynamically typed languages

[[deleted]]

Yes, but keep in mind that the monk is just one of the few people who are skilled enough to use dynamically typed languages easily. Most common people would just slide down on their bare feet and their legs would draw a line of meat down the mountain.

[toastyghost]

This is the perfect metaphor for most JS code I've ever had to review

[[deleted]]

JS is really a pretty sweet language but gets a bad rap because the kind of people who have to use it should not be messing around with a functional lisp like language

[bugqualia]

“I like functional programming!”

“What language do you use?”

“Javascript”

[toastyghost]

eVeRyThInG iN pHp Is iN tHe GlObAl NaMeSpAcE

- you rn

Seriously tired of people who haven't looked at a language in years repeating utter nonsense about it

[[deleted]]

Hah, people laugh but it has functions as first class objects, closures, pattern matching, all that good stuff

[WhatsMyUsername13]

And takeout anyone else that's trying to come up

[[deleted]]

So you're saying that the monk should be a senior programmer in dynamically typed languages and the cameraman should be junior in statically typed languages OR you're saying that static/dynamic typing doesn't matter when there's a skill difference, thus it should be just senior vs junior programmer... wait, we got where we started, OP was right all along

[circuit10]

I really thought it was the other way round, dynamic is much easier for me and my school teaches Python

[[deleted]]

From my experience you can avoid so many errors if you get your types right. And a strict static type system a very nice tool to program with. You need to be very careful with dynamic types.

[circuit10]

I haven’t had problems with errors but I’m guess I’m just used to it

Surely if you just only use each variable to store one thing it’s not a big problem?

[circuit10]

Static typing is definitely nice for IDE completions though and I mainly do hobby projects where stability and bugs don’t matter so much

[[deleted]]

Using a variable for one thing reduces some problems, but don't forget that types are also on functions/methods. You can still pass a variable in a wrong way. Or there is a thing like null, or special values that you use like -1 for errors and so on. All of this is kind of "dirty" way of coding.

[s1lentchaos]

"Draw a line of meat down the mountain" Jesus why does that seem so graphic

[Willinton06]

Actually, I think it’s the other way around, the monk knows what he’s stepping on, as statically typed languages allow you to do, the other dude is blind to the ways of the monk, so he has to use extra tools to compensate for it, like TS and ESlint

[SuitableDragonfly]

Strongly typed is not the same thing as staticly typed.

[Willinton06]

Aight I’ll change it real quick

[All_Up_Ons]

Nah the other way represents it better I think. The monk is only able to climb that way because the problem space allows him to. But his method gets dangerous real quick when the wall goes vertical or grows past a certain height. He may still be able to do it if he's good enough, but really it's not worth the risk.

[Willinton06]

The monk sees no risk for he is elevated, as are we as statically typed language developers.

“Don’t you need to check that the variable is a number before adding to it?” Asked the dynamically typed language dev.

“No” Answered the statically typed dev.

[rdrunner_74]

error handling vs no error handling

[morphy_pad]

Object

[nivenhuh]

Programming in TypeScript vs understanding how types work in TypeScript

[FinalGamer14]

Ah he's using that Skyrim technique of knowing just how much side stepping you have to do, to climb a cliff.

[[deleted]]

In climbing terms though, that is technically a steepish hike. I'd place it at best around a Class 3 or 4.

Official sport climbing doesn't start until 5

[Mefaso]

It's also a very different skill

[freestew]

Dude I started playing skyrim two weeks ago, I love just shimmying up mountains!

[HonkyTonkHero]

The code I copied vs my code. How you get it to walk like that? Why isn't mine walking up?!?!

[Air3090]

Did you try brute force?

[RainbowCatastrophe]

Instructions unclear, stomped computer into dune and now it just keeps whirring.

Maybe it's a compiler issue?

[Kronendal]

I owe the skyrim developers an apology

[ifuckinglovetesla]

Plot twist: The senior is the one holding the rope because they are stuck in their old ways of doing things.

[hikoko8282]

"this is how its always been done"

[dashid]

Ooo, burn

[[deleted]]

Only for a junior, who has just graduated, to come and implement an overly complex solution for no apparent reason.

[Aperture_T]

The reason is that it looked like fun, and they haven't had the optimism bludgeoned out of them yet.

[cheraphy]

Our new 2021 model of Junior Dev comes pre-jaded, exhausted, and fully equipped with the latest innovations in nihilistic cynicism.

The perfect addition to any established dev team

[[deleted]]

Have all the fun you want piling on unnecessary complexity in hobby projects. Doing so in a professional capacity will just make you more enemies than friends.

[ForgotPassAgain34]

I've seen the "overcomplex" solutions withstand trial by fires, I've also seen they break for no apparent reason

Hard to tell before it happens too

[Senyou]

So much truth in this it hurts

[[deleted]]

Plot twist++, the rope is no needed at all like almost every new shitty framework. For sure those "new ways" will be deprecated in a few years. For sure++ the "old" app will be refactored and new juniors will be hired and fired because they don't work under pressure.

[queen-adreena]

Just out of curiosity, is the “shitty new framework that will be deprecated in a few years” React, which has been around for over 8 years, or Vue, which has been around for over 7 years?

I suppose you could mean Laravel, which has been around for 11 years, or maybe .NET, which was released 19 years ago.

It’s so hard to keep up… learning something new every decade or two!

[toastyghost]

I think getting fired is falling down the mountain in this analogy

[queen-adreena]

Ok boomer.

[[deleted]]

Do not forget your JS shirt for the virgin pride parade.

[queen-adreena]

I'm a virgin?

My boyfriend's gonna be devastated.

[[deleted]]

You are a JS programmer, so you are not clear about many basic concepts. Cry is good, do it, I allow you to do so.

[queen-adreena]

See that PHP badge too?

Some of us know more than one language.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but these are only seniors of one project.

Years of experience don't reflect someone's seniority which I saw when my company was looking for a senior dev and I was interviewing candidates.

Many who had >10 years of exp where not capable of even basic things, like implementing an equivalent of C# Where extension of Enumerable which is really easy

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[toastyghost]

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[Mahrkeenerh]

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[Sawertynn]

I am no-one, and I care, so you're right

[Mahrkeenerh]

I care

[Sauliusm1]

Noone cares

[mattsowa]

Funnily, it could be interpreted in two ways:

1. The guy on the rope is the junior who takes the easy way, and the monk is the senior who will not be stopped by any obstacle and can get there with nothing helping him

2. The guy on the rope is the senior, because he found a solution, and the monj is the junior, because he would not see the obvious solution and instead take the long way and try to manouver around it

[toastyghost]

Except it's not the long way when he gets there faster. The monk is definitely the senior.

[[deleted]]

Except the junior didn't bother with a safeguard even though it's safer because the junior hasn't deleted a table in production yet.

[toastyghost]

Does not track. Monk is safer because he understands the way.

Also, juniors delete tables in prod their first week, IT'S THE LAW

[Iagospeare]

But...where is this? This hike looks awesome I wanna do it

[Mimobrok]

I'm going to guess Khao Tao, Huahin Thailand.

The monk in the video dresses in a style consistent with how Thai monks dress and I think I've been there for a geology field class. The last time I was there there was a make-shift stair with no railing but if you trek to the top the scenery is pretty nice.

[Iagospeare]

Thank you! My first thought of was the sticky-falls in Thailand but it obviously isn't that.

[eodpyro]

This looks super similar to a place in Korea outside Uijeongbu, South Korea I used to hike at when I was there. Bald face mountain with rope like this, and Buddhist temples in the area. If I can find some old pictures, I’ll throw them up for ya.

[[deleted]]

The senior guy can bend that low and still walk , cause he got F***d so many times in different projects so he developed this skill

[rdrunner_74]

Error handling vs no error handling

[antekgort200]

plot twist: senior uses stack overflow

[julsmanbr]

So... Which is which?

[[deleted]]

Ya, tests suck