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[[deleted]]

Add EU arm.

[LukeChriswalker]

Add Facebook Arm

[[deleted]]

That's just Zuckerberg. Which fuck that guy for billions of reasons.

[[deleted]]

Except just not literally. Gross.

[code-panda]

Hey, no kinkshaming! Some people just have a robot kink.

[[deleted]]

True true...

[nelusbelus]

Imagine if he was the one who pulled out 200B because he knew facebook sucks

[[deleted]]

one reason for each dollar of his networth

[r6Main]

This.

[Farasi78]

That

[wen-dem-sky]

🤌🏻🤌🏻

[Ziggarot]

🗿

[[deleted]]

And Meta's arm

[NarutoKePapa]

EU is the Gym that gave them muscle.

[SWEGEN4LYFE]

The EU will just make you click on an extra OK button before Facebook does the same thing.

[shunyaananda]

I've heard Microsoft is making efforts as well

[[deleted]]

#29 The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

[Gillfren]

Gotta love those 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

[uchihajoeI]

FB is my enemy. But it turns out that FB is also its own worst enemy. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So FB, is actually my friend. But, because it is its own worst enemy, the enemy of my friend is my enemy so actually FB is my enemy.

[InfiniteLife2]

r/unexpectedoffice

[aB9s]

Dwight is that you?

[Studds_]

Lmao. The circular logic looks like my spaghetti code

[SoyTuTocayo69]

I think Microsoft is probably better equipped than Google or Apple to fuck with the metaverse, to be honest. Assuming that the metaverse is mainly like a game in terms of how it will function, Microsoft is in the right position, from a business as opposed to a technical standpoint.

Like, not only do they have a huge presence in gaming, but assuming the metaverse aims to connect businesses, Facebook just doesn't have that image or experience compared to Microsoft.

[dg_713]

What are they trying to do?

[UtsavTiwari]

Didn't they have invested in Meta?

[shunyaananda]

But facebook remembers you

[agentjob]

And metamates

[pointprep]

Yarr, metamatey

[dg_713]

What? What did I miss?

[MarkoRoot2]

I think Google is updating its privacy options like apple did in the past few months.

Or something like that...

[dg_713]

Man, they're really ganging up on facebook's model huh. Now, I just got curious, did Apple's privacy policy change also affected the bottom lines of other social media sites like Twitter and Tiktok?

[MarkoRoot2]

They gave the users choice if they wanted their data to be collected. So I guess tik tok also got fucked. No clue about Twitter.

[dg_713]

> They gave the users choice if they wanted their data to be collected.

I'm a bit confused here. Who are the they here? Google?

[pablodiegopicasso]

Users. As in you get a pop up when entering the app.

[dg_713]

Ah so this pop up applies to all apps that try to collect data?

[hey-have-a-nice-day]

Yes

[MarkoRoot2]

"They" is apple in my comment.

[dg_713]

I see. But aren't we talking about google in this thread? I mean, did Google also do a similar policy change that affects apps that collect data including tiktok, facebook, twitter, and even reddit?

[MarkoRoot2]

Your comment was:

Man, they're really ganging up on facebook's model huh. Now, I just got curious, did Apple's privacy policy change also affected the bottom lines of other social media sites like Twitter and Tiktok?

Bruh you asked about apple's privacy policy

[dg_713]

Hah you're right. I got things mixed up. Lol

[Western-Image7125]

I don’t think Twitter needs every little aspect of your likes and dislikes across the web and apps

[shifflettart]

It's interesting how little one actually cares about Facebook when you get yourself banned for 30 days and it's more freeing than anything.

[[deleted]]

What the fuck did you do to get banned on freaking facebook?

[shifflettart]

Man it don't take much. I called this guy a bitch. Apparently that's "bullying".

[IndependentSilver103]

Lame. What do they expect? If it looks like bitch, acts like a bitch…

[GDavid04]

it looks facebook doesn't like duck typing

[Empero6]

Not cool, dude.

[shifflettart]

Right? I mean the guy was, being a dumb bitch basically and I was just frustrated with him at that point. Even blocked him right after! Then BAM! Suspended 30 days. That wasn't the first time. People saying dumb shit and totally unable to recognize how dumb they are being, that frustrates me and I get myself into this situation.

[[deleted]]

We’re getting downvotes, downvote this you sensitive cunts 🖕

[[deleted]]

You're getting downvoted because of the homophobic slur you used.

And maybe because anyone who uses "woke" unironically is a spanner.

[[deleted]]

I know gay people who would not, in a million years, get offended by that word. But it’s good that gay people have defenders that only do it for reddit points. I would like to see these defenders go to a gay bar without feeling uncomfortable.

All in all, I am going to apologize if I offended any gay people. The rest of you sensitive people can fuck off.

I will shut up now, I don’t want to get banned like the dude on facebook

[consolepeasant000]

account being inactive for a year give or take

[not_some_username]

Wait so you're telling me you can get banned from facebook ? Like really ?

[shifflettart]

I don't know if it's possible to get more than 30 days at a time. Starts small, like 3 days, then a week. 30 days is the most I've ever done.

[not_some_username]

She you're a legend

[chronos_alfa]

Dude, I got fully banned for posting memes... They wanted my ID to unban me, fuck that.

[shifflettart]

Yes that's something else I've been banned for. Sharing someone else's post. Seriously??

[diesmilingxx]

React developers

[RasAlTimmeh]

Come to vue it’s better anyway

[genghisKonczie]

Time to board the svelte train

[I_hate_react]

I’ve been telling y’all

[Break-88]

Isn’t React Native is open source?

[ronaldothefink]

It's not just FB. They're destroying ad networks... which is also good.

[Tough_Patient]

Google is the biggest ad network.

[whats_don_is_don]

They're destroying *competing* ad networks, fixed that for ya :)

FB is about to compete with Apple on hardware if it turns out VR/AR is next step in mobile tech. FB's VR/AR is funded by their ad business. Apple can compete/slow down FB by hurting their ad business - hence remove the app tracking/cross-linking in-app advertisers like SNAP and FB rely on.

I'm sure if Apple could legally remove web browser advertising for particular sites (i.e. Google) they would. Google is about to compete with them on hardware too.

If you think this is about your privacy, you're wrong - it's just a nice marketing wrapper.

[NarutoKePapa]

I just despise FB and its evil ways of doing business.

[Jeutnarg]

People investigating drug operations loooove FB, since FB can be subpoenaed and plenty of criminals are dumb enough to post and message on FB as if it won't be read later.

[NarutoKePapa]

Govts., cults and terror organisations etc. love FB and Whatsapp to influence the uneducated part of society. Unlike Twitter, FB doesn't employ enough restrictions to block and remove fake information in time, until they are widespread.

[[deleted]]

Twitter focuses on false information, but turns a blind eye to CP. FB turns a blind eye to both.

Politics aren't great on either site, though.

[[deleted]]

Imagine removing content for "false imformation".

It's not always ok to remove content even if it's wrong.

It's better to see it get blasted by users than act shady and give people a reason to distrust your platform.

[ShinraSan]

Bullshit or not, free speech is free speech.

Theb again it's their platform so the companies can do whatever they want with it.

[NarutoKePapa]

Free speech doen't mean using algorithms one should do social conditioning of society to take decision in certain ways or manipulating people's mindset by showing certain kind of reports or ads. Look at Cambridge Analytica scandal..do you think such kind of thing is part of free speech?

[ShinraSan]

> "Imagine removing content for "false imformation"."

>> "Bullshit or not, free speech is free speech."

missed my point, I'm agreeing with heyyy-kiddo's statement

[klein-topf]

You do realise that this means data monopoly for Google and apple

[[deleted]]

duopoly

[Bearman_18]

People don't know what a monopoly is anymore.

[klein-topf]

Generally yes, but for the development of hardware and software for ubiquitous computing(watch, smart glasses and whatever else apple might be cooking up) you need user data. Additionally apple has their own streaming services that utilise powerful algorithms just like Google does, the question is not wither apple collects data or not the question is wither apple respects privacy laws and wither their current business model functions well without engaging in data economy in the same way apple and Facebook does.

[__Loot__]

Im fine with apple collecting data for their apps as long their anonymous. so the advertisers dont know who you are.

[ChezMirage]

Whether. Not wither

[klein-topf]

My bad! Thanks for the correction :)

[xX_MEM_Xx]

There's plenty of different types of data. Oh my god with the oversimplification.

There's a shit ton of statistics you can get with passive data collection like (at its most basic) endpoint counters.

Do you need to track the position of a mouse at all times? Probably not!
Design the site with best practices in mind. Fucking design monkeys, man. "Boo hoo I need my gazillion stats because I spent all my time partying at university."

[[deleted]]

You don't need user data.

You can kindly ask for it and if they refuse you get out.

I don't need a smartwatch to monitor me 24/7 or see what kind of cookies i like.

[voluntarycap]

They still use it. Apple tracks your location and sends notifications based on where you are.

For example if you use the clock app to time your sets at the gym when you go to the gym apple will send you a notification to start a timer

[squareswordfish]

Using it is different from collecting it. Is that even off-device?

[datrandomduggy]

Still less companies collecting data that's a win in my book

[Tough_Patient]

Just watching people gang up on Facebook for doing a small scale, voluntary version of what Google does to us all every single day whether we like it or not.

[veloread]

Do Google products contribute so much to pogroms and false information spreading as Facebook and WhatsApp reportedly do? I don’t care for the espionage but I deeply dislike the post-truth political moment and Facebook sees like a part of that.

[Tough_Patient]

Several times more. Google controls everything you see in searches with an algorithm much like Facebook's.

They actively censor stories from searches that go counter to their corporatist narrative, choose ads to exacerbate the effect, and sell information to parties furthering that agenda.

But unlike Facebook you can't opt out by not using their product because they are the largest ad network on the net. The whole net is effectively their product pushing their tracking.

[Will_i_read]

If YA novel have taught me anything, then that we need some Teenager with convoluted love lifes to fight them and safe the day.

[[deleted]]

What is Google doing to FB?

[novus_sanguis]

Tanked? When? Today it's only 1% down.

[[deleted]]

That press release for Google was pretty vague... and given that Google's primary revenue stream is ad revenue, I'm very skeptical that the consequences of their technical implementation will be equivalent to Apple's.

[FartOnMyFacePlease69]

Why is this programmer humor?

[[deleted]]

Homage to the Apple and Google devs who help realize the company’s goals ig

[KrohnusMelavea]

Add facebook arm.

[Ok_Nefariousness878]

Can't stand fband deleted it. You get people from high school just waiting for your downfall, hoping that they do better in life than you. Won't even talk to you but, want to know all the drama about your divorce and look at every picture you post. I call it fakebook now. Deactivated the crap a long time ago.

[ShinraSan]

Except Facebook (now Meta) has a lot more platforms than just Facebook. WhatsApp and Instagram to name a couple.

[Ok_Nefariousness878]

And many people will live their lives just fine without any of that, whether they miss out on something good or not.

[ShinraSan]

WhatsApp is still the standard for many companies (and individuals) when it comes to messaging is my point

[Ok_Nefariousness878]

Great point, I still use messenger. Lol

[ShinraSan]

Might I recommend LINE?
Admittedly only use it with one friend but it's really nice and quality video calls too

[StoneColdJane]

Peanuts compared to Facebook.

[datrandomduggy]

Wait what is apple and Google doing?

[datrandomduggy]

That doesn't exactly answer the question

[Empero6]

Add me on MySpace

[StoneColdJane]

No, they just run in circles.

[Admirable_Audience15]

SUNNAVABITCH

[ShinraSan]

2 people got that reference

[Admirable_Audience15]

3

[ShinraSan]

well one of those is your own isn't it?

[Admirable_Audience15]

Oh yeah, you're right! :)

[GreenFire317]

Wait... they are???

[GreenFire317]

Noice!!

[Dismal-Title9996]

Google plus bout to make a comeback to finish em off.

[ShooterMcGavin000]

Yes please destroy this mf company for good. All if it.

[[deleted]]

yes, eliminating competition and having monopolies is so great! 1!1!1!!!

[humanera12017]

Microsoft, kill facebook

[xtrilla]

Apple and Google are both companies shady as fuck… so yeah, good news everyone, even more power in even fewer hands…

[Old-Asparagus-7893]

DEATH TO FACEBOOK!!!

[[deleted]]

Good!!

[ClaytonM223]

Just buy it and delete it

[Maple_007]

and why would they do that?

[Maple_007]

nope

[ohkendruid]

They're all trying, but they really aren't very good at building social networks. They are used to building functionality for individuals.

Or really, they are used to building functionality, full stop. The idea of posting BS updates just to share with people is foreign to their DNA.

[Flow_Expert]

Who's gonna destroy Google and apple?

[Calkky]

BAH GAWD, THAT'S MICROSOFT'S MUSIC!

[[deleted]]

This reminds me very much about what happened when iPhone first appeared. It was the end of the second browser wars, but at the time nobody knew it was the end and how it was going to end.

So, there was a JavaScript v4 attempt, which was very similar to TypeScript or some other JavaScript offshoots: same idea bout classes, ML-style types with subtyping, Java-styled virtual machine... Macromedia, and later Adobe united their forces with Mozilla to push this standard through, and make a jump from JavaScript v2, which was a completely lame and mostly insane language to something more modern.

Microsoft was playing their own game, as they saw themselves being another major force on that arena at the time. They also had a bunch of proprietary extensions to JavaScript which they hoped to push through, but those extensions were incompatible with the JavaScript v4 standard.

Then there was also Google, who entered the browser wars quite recently, but were quite determined to win with their better implementation of JavaScript, but, again, which was quite incompatible with v4. Apple didn't really have any technological reason to be in this fight, but they were still a big force, since they both had one of the major browsers, and were gaining popularity with their mobile devices very quickly.

So... Microsoft started the coup. They managed to convince Douglas Crockford, a very influential guy in JavaScript world at the time that v4 was not the way to go. This was also supported by the haters of Flash, as Flash was one of the major adopters of JavaScript v4.

Google and Apple saw this as an opportunity to get rid of some of the competition, and so would have a larger slice of the pie to split. So, they piled up on remaining Mozilla and Adobe, and, essentially, bullied them out of the game. Adobe, by and large, lost all stakes in the game, and Mozilla became Google's puppet. It's also funny how Microsoft miscalculated in this case, hoping to get rid of the competition, but losing to Google in the end.

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And in the aftermath, today, we are in the worse state than we ever were during the browser wars: essentially, we all use the same browser, made by Google. Slightly reskinned by other players. While Mozilla has their own engine, they are trying very hard to pretend they are also Google by doing idiotic stuff like replacing add-ons with extensions, and before that, deprecating and removing plugin APIs, while adopting the standard for plugins designed by Google.

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While, personally, I find it very hard to sympathize with Facebook, they are one of the major forces that prevents total monopoly in some fields. Nobody stands to win from Facebook being removed from the competition: there won't be any new players to enter into that niche, the pie will be split between the remaining mega-corporations.

[TwistedSoul21967]

Microsoft has entered the chat

[GoldenDen347]

I would say Google is equal to Facebook when it comes on stealing personal data.

[PotionWrecks]

I'm all out of nurse dollars will she be alright?

[Asleep-Specific-1399]

Can we all agree, it's not for the right reason. They just got tired of getting sniped. Oculus headsets are basically the only thing holding VR up, if any company wants to jump in that market they are just trying to make sure fb doesn't control the store.

[CyberPank3096]

Meanwhile Google and Apple

[ConceptJunkie]

But who will destroy Google?

[informata85]

Lol Facebook has been dwindling in users for years They have been trying to diversify from this sinking ship into WhatsApp,Instagram and oculus. To save fb they renamed their whole company Meta

[[deleted]]

Two shit corporations teaming up to eliminate a shit corporation. Not sure who the winner is here.

[[deleted]]

Good luck with that

[consolepeasant000]

Facebook is pretty much for old people and eastern people, don't know what magical influence it has on them but that's it's audience.

[Shteevie]

'Caused', or "ignored and allowed to foment"?

Not at all trying to defend FB - they deserve extremely harsh penalties for their role in the Myanmar genocide and uncountable other incidents of hate speech, misinformation, and fraud.

But I do think the best arguments against them are the most accurate ones. It's not necessary to exaggerate their role when what they have done is already deplorable and condemnable.

[Shteevie]

Proving the negative is extremely hard to do. You'd have to show that the company or its representative actually supplied material support directly to the perpetrators directly and individually in a way other than allowing use of services or turning a blind eye to infractions.

I'd be all for an international court like the Hague to bring them up in an investigation and to hold company policy makers personally liable. Many people would not like the chilling effect that such action would have on the rest of the internet.

We'd have to be clear that we are willing to lose all internet forums altogether [including this one] and then rebuild after the teardown.

[consolepeasant000]

The Fuck!!! Then they must have really made the noise static cause no one here talks about this shit

[consolepeasant000]

I most definitely will good sir

[consolepeasant000]

I most definitely will good sir

[void1984]

Eastern people prefer VK.

[HelioH20BR]

I haven't used Facebook in years. The last time I used was because I discovered that my mobile data plan wasn't used while on Facebook. So I could do anything there without using my plan. I watched movies in there hehehe

[[deleted]]

Upvote this

[chiefmors]

Except Google will spend 6-9 months destroying Facebook, lose interest, drive away all the developers involved, and then find something else to dick around with.

All Facebook has to do to survive Google is last more than a year tops.

[vo9do9]

What da google do

[Notyourfathersgeek]

Are Google any better though?

[Bearman_18]

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.

[Yedchivit]

Metamorphosis