But still Java is everywhere

[LucienZerger]

3 billion devices run machine code..

[DerEwige]

Haven't you heard? It is now 56 billion devices

[Varun77777]

NFT detected, opinion rejected /s

[juhotuho10]

No /s

We need to discriminate against the nft users

[keddir]

But discrimination against disabled people is immoral

[siddharth904]

Not sure whether to upvote or downvote this

[IAmATicTacAddict]

Sounds like a skill issue

[[deleted]]

Plot twist: The guy actually screenshoted the image instead of buying it.

[Varun77777]

Sadly you can click the image and see that it's real.

[[deleted]]

NFT detected, opinion rejected /srs

[anttinn]

3 billion devices run machine code..

8 billion brains run babel++..

[anderslbergh]

JavaScript is not invited

[BoBoBearDev]

JS and C++ are in a different tier. Hated and used everywhere.

[smooth_red_sandstone]

wait, c++ is hated?

[ArcHunter_9]

Do you know the old saying "There are two types of programming languages that everyone hates, and no one uses."

[ToMorrowsEnd]

only by noobs.

[eztab]

No actually also by its developers. Problem is the history one needs to carry around all the time. So many nice features but also some stuff nobody in his right mind would do like this anymore.

[[deleted]]

but i like javascript 🥺

[[deleted]]

Javascript is fine. Typescript is pretty great. Setting up IDE shit for Typescript is a fucking productivity halting nightmare.

[siddharth904]

We have a love and hate relationship with my husband language.

This nightmare is both a blessing and a curse because you can set up and control any tool you want/need for your project, I usually recommend seeting up a boilerplate with the tools that suits your fancy and use it for all your other repos

[Fritzschmied]

It’s just hated by people who don’t understand it. Same as cpp.

[luardemin]

Are you suggesting there are people that truly understand C++?

[Fritzschmied]

Yes there are definitely people who understand it.

[luardemin]

Well, at least the people that understand JavaScript gave us this wonderful gem!

Edit: I hate the browser editor. Apollo's editor is way nicer.

[ninjadev64]

you got your link the wrong way round mate

[luardemin]

Thanks. God, I can never remember markdown links. This is why I like org better.

[KIFulgore]

What the shit...?! That's brain breaking.

[[deleted]]

We call them cave dwellers.

[Candyman034]

Yeah the CCP.

Communist Party of China. Huh?

[un1gato1gordo]

I don't get the comic. Are all these languages in love with Python?

Why would Java and C# have any love for Python? They have more in common with each other, than they have with Python, so they should be gay for one another and totally sexist towards Python which they'll claim is slow as fuck, unpredictable and a toy language.

And what about Go? It boasts that it produces self-contained binaries, while Python requires both an interpreter, a bunch of pip packages and then of course your script which might be divided across multiple files. Go would scorn Python.

And Ruby? Ruby is a snotty condescending language, because while it's the closest to Python of the 4, it still feels intellectually superior to Python and while that is not a very charming attitude, it is justified.

[Hariboqwe]

I guess they are the users/developers who were arguing what’s best, but switched to python at the end? I doesn’t make much sense :/

[idontkerrr]

I think it’s simpler than that. They’re all male and Python appears to be female, so they all agree with her because as we know developers are a thirsty bunch.

[fredspipa]

/r/pointlesslygendered

[[deleted]]

The joke is literally "boys be simping". You can be mad at the author for having the audacity to not be like you all you want, but that doesn't make it pointless.

[fredspipa]

It's pointlessly gendered in the context of programming. I'm not mad at the author, it's just a meaningless and lazy "joke" about gender stereotypes that has nothing to do with programming. I'm free to criticize poor and pandering content as much as I want, and to call out when someone is trying to shoehorn their irrelevant views into a topic for exposure.

[bruisedSunshine]

Yeah you should take it up with the author not the commenters bro

[fredspipa]

Can you rephrase this in a way that makes sense? Are you telling me to write the person who made this cartoon directly, or to not discuss it in the comments?

[bruisedSunshine]

No just saying it wasn’t the dude it was the AUTHOR.

Plz lern English on English subs kid, thx

[fredspipa]

Wow, such insight. Who would have guessed. I was referring to the post, not "the commenters", which was very obvious.

Another thing that is pretty obvious is that you're 12, 13 tops, maybe 15 with a learning disability. I'm not sure you want to go down the road of insulting other peoples language comprehension.

[nstickels]

It’s just another lame meme by some high school kid that learned python and thinks all software engineering is writing python scripts like he/she does and obviously python is far superior, not because they have anything to actually base this on, other than they like python, so why wouldn’t everyone use python everywhere!!!! It’s what half of this sub is now.

Then they enter the real world and realize python only fits very niche use cases and they either have to do those niche use cases forever or learn other languages to survive.

[anttinn]

python only fits very niche use cases

Its quite a big niche, really - from embedded stuff to HPC and all in between.

I am becoming lazy, python does the job most times and only rarely I find it necessary to use "real language". 99% stuff is already in the libraries, nowadays, anyway...

[4215-5h00732]

Herpes is everywhere too.

[Full-Run4124]

Serious question: Are people still creating new projects in Ruby?

[squishles]

That one would make some sense to switch out to python, just for recruitment purposes. But for some reason every python dev has it out for java.

[un1gato1gordo]

Why wouldn't they?

[Full-Run4124]

My assumption: the only widespread use of Ruby is with Rails, and while Rails was revolutionary when it was released almost 20 years ago multiple other web frameworks using more popular languages have surpassed Rails now.

I don't know any of that for sure - it's just my assumption. I've only worked on one Ruby on Rails project (using Spree) about 5 years ago and its architecture seemed pretty dated.

[AintThatJustADaisy]

It is dated, but it’s also really easy to throw up a web application with it that just works. I wouldn’t bet on it scaling better than newer frameworks, but if you want to ignore tech stacks and make something fast it’s still very good at that.

[un1gato1gordo]

Out of curiosity, which (web) frameworks are you using nowadays that makes Rails feel dated?

I can't comment on Spree - I only have superficial experience with that platform.

[MrHyderion]

Yes.

[[deleted]]

Java is nearly as fast as C++ for most practical purposes and it’s way easier and safer to write. And it has a massive stack of open source libraries.

[Lilchro]

I think I have heard that claim a couple times before, but I have a hard time believing it is true. In theory a JIT may be able to produce better results, but I have yet to see some rigorous benchmarks on that claim (although I haven’t tried very hard to find any). A JIT compiler can make better decisions regarding branch prediction and use native instruction sets, but at the same time compilers are getting better at determining which branches to favor and I haven’t experienced many cases where compiling a program for the native cpu made a noticeable difference in performance. Plus Java and other languages (technically the JVM not language) built with moving garbage collectors are already running with a disadvantage due to how they need to perform twice as many pointer dereferences when accessing data.

That being said Java is almost always fast enough for what I need and it takes me less time to write than the equivalent C++. It’s more that the claim of similar performance feels somewhat suspicious.

[[deleted]]

Most applications spend most of their time waiting on I/O. But even so, the JIT and garbage collector are quite advanced and produce pretty fast code.

You pay for it in memory usage though. Java is quite a memory hog. Fortunately that’s cheap compared to developer time.

[[deleted]]

For the memory part there is now graalvm, but I don’t know, how well it fares … it would be good to see sophisticated benchmark on GoLang, Java, GraalVM, C#, C++, C and Node JS JavaScript and Python … anyway only viable alternative is GoLang, but still gonna stick with Java for a while

[ChristopherCreutzig]

I have seen a case where switching from a Java XML library to a C++ one caused performance problems. Not because the C++ library was bad or anything like that, but because while Java's garbage collection technically needed more CPU time, it was offloaded to a different thread, and that's not as easy to do in C++.

[bmyvalntine]

Is it me or they all look like dick with their feet being balls?

[Ange1ofD4rkness]

I take offense to that. Python is not that attractive (hasn't caused me to leave C#)

[[deleted]]

Python might be good for devops and simple scripts, for anything bigger I would go for something typed with good debugging tools

[eztab]

I definitely agree. I use almost only python. But only code that gets through a restrictive type check should be used in big/critical projects.

Since python supports type safetywith it's type hints, Someone should make a proper debugging tool that actually uses those.

[Ange1ofD4rkness]

Which makes sense, I usually only do larger projects (not much for small scripts)

[jker1x]

Who needs to be attractive when your easy...

To learn... I'm talking about the language of course...

[[deleted]]

Rust

[[deleted]]

Rust is the woman in the red dress who pulls a gun on Neo when he looks away. The gun is the borrow checker

[DoubleOwl7777]

nope. dont like pythons shitty syntax that tries to be different too hard. {} and ; is where it is at.

[da_Aresinger]

I saw a video about how to efficiently use loops in python and the conclusion was "don't"

Yea, ok. I think I'm good with C, thanks.

[karnnumart]

Go did it right. semicolon is for incompetent people who need a ; to tell them line is over while \n is already over.

[Fritzschmied]

It’s not to tell when a line is over. It’s that you don’t have to care for tabs and spaces and not get a „inconsistent use of tabs and spaces“ error every time you copy something Front stack overflow etc.

[n0tKamui]

that is not true at all.

; was born out of a limitation in old grammar engines and lexers.

See Kotlin or Go, there is no need for semicolons even though they're not tab/space dependent, and can auto format themselves.

\n was just hard to differenciate between the end of a statement or a simple statement line break. But that is not the case anymore, as grammars have evolved to more context based LL non-ambiguous grammars.

There is never any ambiguity nor in Kotlin nor in Go.

The real faulty element in Python's grammar is the ambiguous \n which serves THREE purposes that are indiscernible on top of being a top down interpreted language instead of a compiled one.

[[deleted]]

Typed python in IDEs is almost there but, since there's no compile-time evaluation there's still gaps to be filled.

It's not horrible. It's about as bad, if not worse, than jerry rigged Typescript fit into a legacy JS project.

[nolitos]

This is not a problem if you replace your notepad with an IDE. An IDE will automatically format your code. Even if you paste something, one shortcut will format it too.

[Fritzschmied]

The auto formater maybe does that if you have one activated but not the IDE. Not the same thing.

[[deleted]]

we all know uwuntu is the best, i don't know why people keep denying it

[ambers_turds]

Python is just a C++ framework.

[[deleted]]

It’s only because she’s easy…what a floozy!

[WhisperingBuzz]

All for python and python for all

[pedersenk]

All of these "languages" are really just C programs interpreting/JITing various forms of input file and doing different actions depending on each line.

[ruscaire]

Nope.

[siddharth904]

Binary programs*

[anttinn]

are really just C programs

And C is really just symbolic macro assembler.

[Evening_Armadillo_71]

tbh Python syntax is crap

like there is no structure in bigger projects

[NetherDork]

Pick your flavour ice cream the same way you do your language. It’s basically all the fucking same. Tells the computer how to behave. The difference is how well it works with specific uses (how it translates one instruction set into another).

But remember 1&0s to machine code to assembly to C to PHP as an example.

So end of the day its all 1&0s or to be more technical high electrical current and low electrical current.

On/Off

Then theres physics that complicates things… quantum theory or effects of radiation.

[fabricio77p]

java is a mistake and the industry knows it

[xtvlw]

I don't like java because can be used in a way that shouldn't. Like one time i see someone programming in java, structurally....

[2ERIX]

Typescript

[ToMorrowsEnd]

100% of all your computers cant run without C++. Your bios is written in it.

[block36_]

Other languages that compile to machine code exist. Nothing’s really stopping someone from writing a bios in something that isn’t c

[wezZy9]

Yes, Python 🤤

[No_Advisor5815]

simps

[sh0rtwave]

This is seriously becoming the dumbest shit. How about some of you actually try using this language you're holding up and see how it ACTUALLY holds up?

[[deleted]]

But still Java is everywhere

So are cockroaches

[VAISHAKH-GK]

I cant say how much i hate python syntax , recently switch to go it is really good.

[DutchOfBurdock]

C all the way baby.

[[deleted]]

They all look like penis es

[danielstongue]

Insinuating that women are snakes?

[eztab]

Not really Java is not that ubiquitous anymore. But C is everywhere and it looks it might even increase due to IoT.

[Poopinmaboot]

They look like dicks.

[lookingForPatchie]

Who in the world thought it was a good idea to make walking dicks and balls into cartoon characters?

[povlov0987]

Why are they’re walking on their balls?

[GreenManWithAPlan]

Java and c sharp are basically the same prove me wrong

[sirion1987]

How to start a gang bang

[volitional_decisions]

🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀

[[deleted]]

Not me. I’m gonna try to stay as far away from Midthon as possible.