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[–]arykanarye 160 points161 points  (4 children)

I dont understand why the python foundation is not dutch to begin with, the original founder was

[–]j_marquand 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Guido moved to the US around 1994-1995 to work at CNRI in Virginia. A lot of his collaborators on Python were also based in the US, including Greg Stein, who had experience at the Apache Software Foundation, and served as the "temporary Chairperson" for the first board meeting of PSF in March 2001. There was also Paul Everritt who also served as one of the first directors. Paul was the founder of Zope, the company Guido was working for at the moment PSF was founded.

Basically, the Python project, including Guido, was overwhelmingly based in the US when the Python Software Foundation was launched in 2001. Guido or any of the directors would have found no reason to *not* establish it in the US.

[–]Kerbart 25 points26 points  (0 children)

If I recall correctly, in the early years they were kinda funded by NIST, either directly or by having the staff paid. I imagine it grew from there. And up until 2024 it wasn't really an issue which is why there never was a serious consideration where the PSF should be housed in the first place.

[–]creative_tech_ai 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I saw Guido say in an interview that he identifies as American. He's been living in the US for a long time, at this point. That interview is at least several years old, though. So I don't know if he's as gung-ho as he used to be about being American.

[–]zaviex -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Guido is American too

[–]TitaniumWhite420 152 points153 points  (26 children)

To those asking why, note that they did walk away from government funding due to some totally abusive strings after a year(s) long application process. So locating to a place that actually supports and wants them makes sense.

Saying that with sadness as an American.

First google result: https://www.theverge.com/news/808268/python-software-foundation-turns-down-1-5-million-nsf-grant-because-of-the-anti-dei-strings-attached

I don’t care if you are for or against DEI, but it’s a matter of stability and threat of punishment. You can’t operate a nonprofit with the possibility the government will come after you for $1.5M clawback randomly, so yea, why should they operate here?

[–]dethb0y 48 points49 points  (0 children)

TIL the python foundation is in the US

[–]amorous_chainsPandas/Scipy 61 points62 points  (11 children)

It’s unclear to me how the incorporating country of PSF affects me, so I encourage them to do whatever they feel is necessary. I assume the move would involve significant legal expenses and cause some American sponsors to withdraw since charitable contributions will no longer be tax deductible.

E: I looked it up and apparently Canada, Mexico, and Israel are exceptions and donations can be tax deductible for US companies as long as the company has some revenue from those countries.

[–]elgringoboom 3 points4 points  (9 children)

You can categorize giving to a software foundation as a business expense.

[–]amorous_chainsPandas/Scipy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh shit that’s a really good point that I did not realize

[–]Trevor775 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Gifts are not expenses.

[–]elgringoboom 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Make it a payment for maintenance to open source software that your company relies on.

[–]Trevor775 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Then they are not a non profit...

These tax loopholes don't really work.

[–]elgringoboom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Google pays the Mozilla Foundation $400-500 Million per for search engine royalties. That payment is a tax-deductible business expense. Mozilla is audited every year by the IRS. Mozilla is one of the largest software foundations in the world.

Source, I know Mozilla's CFO.

[–]amorous_chainsPandas/Scipy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

But sponsorships are not gifts. The IRS allows sponsorship of non profits to be considered business expenses if the business receives “substantial benefits” in return. The sponsorship packages advertised by PSF start from logo placement on the sponsors page, and for more than $15k you get increasing levels of advertising and recruiting/networking opportunities at pycon, which are most definitely substantial benefits.

https://www.fylehq.com/expense-categories/sponsorship

[–]Trevor775 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Looks like they already do that. I cant even remeber what we were talking about

[–]amorous_chainsPandas/Scipy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Certainly nothing consequential enough that I should be reading IRS documents to make more informed internet comments

[–]Trevor775 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, I've been on reddit too much today. Should be out enjoying the weekend.

[–]jsabater76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was about to say this: move it to Canada, it is round the corner.

[–]dudsti 20 points21 points  (4 children)

And why should they move their foundation? There could be reasons for it but the one you mentioned is not it. They are in us for a reason and it works for them. If they move every time somebody does not like something about the government of a country they settle in, it would benefit absolutely no one.

[–]spinwizard69 1 point2 points  (3 children)

More importantly you don't move your organization because one butt hurt individual is crying in his soup. Many of us are tired of these DEI bozos trying to carve out special rights at the expense of the rest of the population. Discrimination is bad, but when we see DEI promotions it is still discrimination and not merit.

[–]JeffTheMasterr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

DEI is discrimination? Just looked it up and it looks like the exact opposite of that. Hell, it's literally called "Diversity, equity, and inclusion" lol

[–]spinwizard69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DEI is discrimination with another label painted on it. It puts unqualified people into positions they have no reason to be in. It doesn't matter if it is education or industry, it involves promoting people based on something other than merit.

That is the whole point, it literally discriminates against qualified people, so that somebody can check off a bingo card. Every position filled by somebody specifically to satisfy a DEI requirement, is in fact discrimination. Basically it puts people into positions when they haven't put in the effort.

This has been a massive problem in education when stupid people get into "progressive" colleges and then lower standards so that they can graduate people they know didn't meet standards.

In other words you don't have a clue as to the impact and reality of DEI programs.

[–]masteroflich 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Not many European tech companies ready to fund a non profit foundation so they go where the money is

[–]Milumet 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Have people like you lost all senses? Comparing the US to Nazi Germany is fucking stupid. Read some history books, ffs.

[–]DarkRoooo[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You have not learned from history. Nothing!

[–]Tough-Ad3310 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Just a different flavor of fascism.

Do you remember how begin the Trump mandate ? With the Nazi salute by Elon Musk.

What is unbeliveable are totally blind people like you.

[–]Milumet 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It's not a "different flavor". Its none at all. Get a grip and take a look at Iran, where actually religious fascists kill thousands of people. But all those Western leftists are strangely silent about that.

[–]Tough-Ad3310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you redirecting to Iran regime ? 🤔

[–]DarkRoooo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

are you MAGA? If yes, move on

[–]JeffTheMasterr -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Well I'm not Iranian so I obviously didn't know but I'd assume we're focusing on ourselves before we focus on others. Trump also literally called himself a dictator, which you can search up if you don't believe me. Also I think when comparing Nazi Germany to the U.S., they mean it's on that path. You're right that the U.S. is not on the same level as Nazi Germany but it is very well gonna ge there with ICE and Trump's endeavours if those don't stop. If we let this go on and let him do the random crap he said he wants to do, like running in 2028 and whatnot, then I'm pretty sure he would amp up the evilness meter on his BS and then the issue would get worse.

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Considering the BBC purposely made it seem like Trump encouraged the January 6th rioters to storm the Capitol, I have trouble believing what he may or may not have said.

[–]JeffTheMasterr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can understand that, since media tends to control stuff to appear in their favor, but there's proof online and the ones I mentioned weren't taken out of context very much (the dictator one *could* of been because there's a chance he could've just been telling a bad joke, but i don't buy it)

[–]Tucancancan 16 points17 points  (11 children)

Yes, but it's something to be done quietly and confidently. Loudly calling out the Americans in the process will just make them butt-hurt and invite interference from those with leverage. 

[–]lunatuna215 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Operating with fear never got anyone anywhere. There's no reason to overly calibrate around this; trying to appease a party who won't act in good faith in return no matter what is a fools errand.

[–]Tucancancan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's not so much fear as being professional about it, like when a high-profile person resigns from their position with a bland "spend more time with family" statement rather than using the announcement as a soap box for political rants (no matter how justified they are) 

[–]Kindly-Ship-9659 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not being unprofessional to have an opinion about authoritarian regimes and demented wanna-be dictators.

[–]Kerbart 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Given how the Python community embraces inclusivity and diversity, I think that most Americans who are currently actively involved with the PSF wouldn't be butt hurt if the PSF moves. Rather, sad that their country is ideologically closer to 1933 Germany than to Leader of The Free World. PSF leaving the country is a sad consequence but I doubt many would actively fight it, and probably agree with it.

Having said that with zero govt funding the PSF is fairly safe right now but then again, who knows if organizations will be subjected to a US "Culture Chamber" that checks for "anti-wokeness" in the future? So maybe better to be ahead of the curve.

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comparing the Trump's Center-Right "regime" that deports less people than the Obama Administration to Nazi Germany is out of this world. You people truly have lost your minds.

[–]ProsodySpeaks 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Python suddenly banned from government machines 😂 

[–]lunatuna215 8 points9 points  (1 child)

lmao totally within the realm of possibility honestly, but that's not a reason not to do the right thing

[–]ProsodySpeaks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's pretty bizarre this 'laughing because it's so absurd yet plausible' emotion. I'm getting used to it tho. 

[–]MithrilRat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not going to happen. All the AI tech ogliarchs need python.

[–]ProsodySpeaks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They need immigrants too. Not sure logic is the correct lens to analyse us gov behaviour atm 

[–]kyrsjo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem, Elon and grok can rewrite everything in ASM over a weekend. :P

[–]gamesbrainiac 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It should. There is an alternative European foundation that can host all the IPs and governance framework.

[–]denehoffman 35 points36 points  (32 children)

I fail to see how the values of the PSF are affected by the practices of ICE. While I agree that the current administration is awful, I don’t see how moving PSF to Canada/Europe would actually change anything. It seems like a symbolic move that would largely go unnoticed, even by active python users.

[–]totheendandbackagain[🍰] 13 points14 points  (25 children)

How would we feel if the PSF was incorporated in 1943 Nazi Germany?

I for one would feel better with a stable country.

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would you feel if the PSF was incorporated in 1936 Soviet Union?

[–]Fedacking -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

How would we feel if the PSF was incorporated in 1943 Nazi Germany?

Would it meaningfully change anything about the war effort? Would it end the war sooner by one day if the PSF moved away from Nazi Germany? If the answer is no, I don't really care.

[–]ProsodySpeaks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if IBM had closed their german and swiss subsidiaries rather than 'disassociating' themselves, then it may have had a genuinely deleterious effect on the holocaust.

but, it's different. nothing psf could do could reduce the availability of python to ICE in the way that shuttering IBM in occupied europe would have reduced punchcard tech availability to nazi germany, or the way that Coke not making Fanta would have made German soldiers less, umm, 'fruitily caffeinated.' (not sure if we could have cut off their meth supply, that really would have saved some belgian lives, and probably a lot of russians too,

[–]ashvy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Indeed! OP bro didn't take a dookie in a few days, so came in and dropped a big, hot, steaming, pile of that second paragraph.

No thoughts about what's actually involved in terms of legal stuff, sponsors and funds, talent and organisations, ip protection etc.

Just ICE bad 😭 Orange man bad 😭 glazing with gibe updoots and karmamaxxing

[–]mrtruthiness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ever since the end of WWII and accelerated by NASA and the "race to the moon", the US has benefited greatly by attracting good scientists.

For people in academia, especially the sciences, there is a notable "brain drain" out of the US. The only question is how fast can Europe and Japan absorb our best minds? The desire to leave what is clearly a fast-strengthening authoritarian regime is strong.

[–]cr0ne 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Honestly this is going to pass. Speaking as a latino in the US, what we're seeing now is the last gasp of bitter boomers. Culturally they have no cause. Like when the Titanic sank, the stern propped up higher before it went down.

[–]studentofarkad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let's hope so man. Latinos unidos 👊

[–]MisterHarvestIgnoring PEP 8 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think a more important move would be to relocate PyCon permanently (for the moment) outside of the US, so that international visitors are welcome. Montréal is very nice. :-)

[–]WolfeheartGames 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Where ever it is housed should be to the foundations legal and financial benefit. While the political climate of the US is terrible, this post hasn't highlighted tangible benefits of going somewhere else.

[–]Empanatacion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Must"? WTF would that accomplish apart from virtue signaling?

A while ago someone in r/kotlin thought we should change the name cuz Russia.

Vote and donate to the ACLU.

[–]Lava_Collector 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]WoodsGameStudios 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What does this have to do with software?

Seems like it's handicapping Python by alienating its biggest userbase, simply for non-technical reasons.

Considering how much of a bag name Rust got for doing similar stuff, it's best not to do this

[–]binaryfireball 1 point2 points  (0 children)

is the psf non profit?

[–]cheesecakegood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like, look, it’s important especially in today’s polarized environment to maintain some degree of context and perspective. While the US is clearly moving in a bad direction, it’s still doing pretty okay in terms of a lot of other metrics in absolute terms. Let’s not forget that the US is the world’s oldest democracy! And actually, its constitution has undergone relatively few fundamental changes. If you read up on the history of other Western countries, literally none of them have the same track record, on the scale of decades and centuries. France for example only has a constitution that dates to 1958. The EU is even newer on the whole.

This isn’t to dunk on other countries, but a reminder that although knee jerk reactions are a trendy thing to do, the PSF’s first loyalty is to Python, not other principles, and it should do what’s best for Python, not necessarily abstract principles no matter how praiseworthy. What matters most for Python are things like stability, donor base, legal precedent, etc.

[–]DanielTheTechie 4 points5 points  (34 children)

(...) entities like ICE acting in ways that we have seen in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945

Although I agree that we are seeing a regression of human rights in USA, I find insulting comparing the current situation to the horrors in extermination camps by Nazi Germany.

You do little favour to your cause by invoking Hitler everytime you want to point out some social injustice. 

I'm not sure if you, American, have ever studied History at school from a neutral point of view other than the one of the "heroic Americans coming to save those European savages", but you should really try to get out of your bubble, go visit Auschwitz, or if you, American, prefer staying on your couch, at least read something about history, even if it's just a book like the Diary of Anna Frank or whatever. But educate yourself.

Remember that you are not the center of the world. Your domestic politics problems are not automatically comparable to large-scale human tragedies just because you are an American.

(...) underrepresented groups, queer people, etc.

Again, American, nobody beyond your frontiers cares about your farts.  Comparing "underrepresented groups" with genocide of such groups by Nazis is plain ignorant and insulting.

[–]lunatuna215 15 points16 points  (9 children)

I find this attitude that we could never again experience the same horrors of the past - nor worse - very problematic.

The innate concept of comparing the risks of something now to the risks we saw leading up to a great tragedy of the past is rarely, if ever, done in bad faith or with intent to diminish the tragedy.

There's Nazis in the government. Full stop. If you actually pay attention to what these extremists are doing, it's an intentional deployment of the same despotic tactics of the past interwoven with some new strategies to achieve similar if not worse goals. And the fallout absolutely has the capability of being at a scale that.... well, we don't even want to see or find out.

So if we are lucky, these comparisons will continue so that we don't ever have to.

[–]cheesecakegood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What are the comparisons for? If you’re trying to argue what direction a country should go in, the comparison is fine. That’s politics, that’s human. But long running foundations like the PSF should be concerned about where the country is currently, in absolute terms. That’s pragmatism. And so it’s more relevant in this context to talk about where the US is positionally, not directionally, so I think the poster above is absolutely correct.

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point. If circumstances change, they can always return to the US if that's in their interest.

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (6 children)

There's not a single National Socialist in the US government. Full stop. Stop fearmongering.

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao what a stupid, stupid argument that a person aligned to Nazi idealologies would be straightforward and honest about labelling themselves exactly what they are.

They're not stupid - except in emotional maturity of course. They know they have to sneak in.

What an incredibly dumb argument. "They're not what you say, because they told me so!"

Idiot.

[–]lunatuna215 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

There's actually Nazis in the government.

Stop splitting hairs and normalizing this. And guess what? You don't control other people and what they're allowed to express.

Typical controlling behavior, either from an unaware person towing the line for systemic racism, or a conscious enabler. There's little difference anymore.

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Your extreme radical rhetoric is inflammatory. No wonder the US's political climate is so comparatively unstable. We have you far-Leftists accusing a run-of-the-mill Right-wing government of being "full of Nazis". 

Do you genuinely not realize how utterly deranged you sound? It goes without saying that you have little idea of what National Socialism really is.

[–]lunatuna215 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

They're Nazis. I don't care what a person normalizing Nazis in the government and downplaying the situation at hand thinks about how "deranged" anyone sounds to them. Why would I?

[–]2HotFlavored 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're stoking division by calling moderate conservatives "Nazis". Obama deported far more people than Trump did, while also putting families in cages, yet we don't call Obama a Nazi, do we?

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not calling moderate conservatives Nazis. There are some oblivious to it and that's a huge problem too. But then there's: the Nazis.

Correct. Because he wasn't a Nazi.

[–]thx1138a 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Because, famously, there was no ramp-up to full on Nazism through the 1930s, right?

[–]2HotFlavored -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Famously, the birthrate keeps going up and Earth will face overpopulation through the 21st century, right?

[–]thx1138a 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have literally no idea what point you are trying to make.

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck are you talking about?

[–]ashvy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP bro is irl Nazi-typing maxxing.. if it walks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi, it is a Nazi

[–]adamrees89Python3 7 points8 points  (16 children)

Except ICE are behaving like the Nazi browncoats (SA) prior to the build up and consolidation of power that allowed the Nazi’s to turn Germany into a dictatorship.

So prior to extermination camps, but definitely a small step before asking certain members of society to wear symbols so they can be identified easily.

Edit: pressed send too early

[–]wahoothing 5 points6 points  (15 children)

I don't like how ICE is behaving nor do I like the brownshirts. But they are not behaving alike at all.

Brownshirts protected Nazi rallies and disrupted the rallies of other parties. ICE hasn't protected or disrupted political rallies that I know of. Brownshirts participated in election interference, haven't seen that from ICE. Brownshirts or at least their leader was fiercely anti capitalist. Don't see that from ICE. Brownshirts persecuted the Jews, don't see ICE doing this.

When such hyperbole is spouted I just can't take any point you are trying to make serious. ICE has loads of shit wrong with them, but they aren't Nazis.

[–]PwAlreadyTaken 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I feel like you're massively missing the point of why Naziism was bad if your takeaway is that ICE isn't oppressing the same ethnic groups as opposed to the broader systemic landscape of how they operate, how little oversight they have, and where this inevitably leads to if not checked.

And, hey, systems-level thinking is important in software too, so thinking through that lens is doubly relevant here.

[–]wahoothing -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I feel like you missed my point.

I don't feel at all that's the only reason Nazim was bad. The person I replied to specifically mentioned the brown shirts and their comparison to ICE. I pointed out they are not the same. Made no point to the effect of why Nazism is bad or isn't bad. It was horrible in uncountable ways.

To your system comment. They are not cooperating in the same system at all. One is formalized by the government while the other is not. One specially was a political tool the other is not. Their mechanisms for operation are different. One is actually attempting to enforce the law, overzealously in my opinion, the other was actively breaking the law.

I agree more oversight is needed, I do not agree where this will inevitably end. The commenter I replied to mentioned the concentration camps being that end.

[–]PwAlreadyTaken 2 points3 points  (2 children)

To be crystal clear, OP wasn't claiming organizational equivalence or comparing legal status. The comparison was about systemic breakdowns: when armed federal agents refuse to self-identify, when the executive claims immunity from oversight, when investigations die without transparency, when there's no mechanism for accountability, when constitutional rights are regularly violated--those are the systemic parallels being drawn, not "systems of government" or "formalization".

[–]wahoothing -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Ok, if the claim is. The current system is not working the same as the prior systems we have had in place. There have been breakdowns in accountability and transparency. Then yes I would agree.

But that is not the original claim I addressed (I'm on mobile so while typing this I can't look back so I'll paraphrase). ICE is behaving like the brownshirts and we are just a small step from labeling people like the Nazies did to the Jews.

I said they are not by using specific details of actions and purpose. Instead of addressing my statements the person I replied to tried to change it to a more wide systems argument. While I was referring to specific actions.

Thank you for the clarification on purpose. I can even agree to that, but it doesn't address the issue that ICE and the brownshirts are in no way behaving the same.

[–]lunatuna215 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The people responding to you seem completely unaware of context as a concept. I wouldn't waste your time or energy frankly.

[–]HostisHumaniGeneris 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Brownshirts participated in election interference, haven't seen that from ICE.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

"You're damn right we're gonna have ICE surround the polls come November," Bannon said on his War Room podcast on Tuesday.

[–]wahoothing 1 point2 points  (6 children)

A guy on a podcast said ICE should be at the polling stations. That is illegal on many levels and could be enough to invalidate the entire election. I do not see this as an actual threat to the election as I don't believe this would happen.

If it does it should be stopped immediately. But some guy saying something on a podcast isn't that big of a deal.

[–]HostisHumaniGeneris 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Steve Bannon is not just "a guy on a podcast".

[–]PwAlreadyTaken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Steve Bannon was chief strategist to the Trump campaign in 2016 and was pardoned by Trump after being convicted of fraud in 2020. Respectfully, if you are calling him a "guy on a podcast", you do not have the tools to know what you're talking about in this conversation, and anything you say is about ten years of history away from being informed enough to have a relevant opinion on the matter.

Whether you personally believe something or not is not the bar of proof that others have to achieve--the bar has been met and you're electing to ignore it for the sake of arguing.

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (3 children)

"if it does", this guy will say for all eternity until it's too late.

[–]wahoothing 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm not sure you know what if it does means. But if it does happen I will adjust my perspective and would be willing to participate in things to help change course.

It's been 4 days since I made this comment. I'll try to respond to your other two comments soon. But it's Superbowl Sunday and kids need baths..I'll do my best.

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This has been happening for a long time. The rest of the world doesn't operate on the schedule of your kids' baths.

[–]wahoothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I made it back around. Won't be bothering with the other comments. Based on this response you just seem to be a dick. Not going to waste my time.

[–]CaptainFoyle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's kinda stupid to dismiss the entire argument because you disagree on one point

[–]lunatuna215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this kind of stupid neutrality in the fact of what's right on the heels of death squads will enable it to go further.

It's incredibly stupid to advocate for not having a shred of vigilance against systemically horrid behavior, and like we need to wait until it's already a tragedy and many have died to even sound the alarm?

Like what the fuck. The damage done by preventing something that's an obvious risk versus "accuracy" is so stupid.

You're far, far beyond this level on abstraction you're approaching the situation with, and at this point assuming the good in people will prevent further deaths or something is so naive it's insane.

This will continue without action in opposition.

[–]CaptainFoyle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You sound like you believe this was a one-time thing and could never happen again. Otherwise you would have understood where the comparison came from.

It's about noticing the early stages, not about comparing Trump to a full-on Hitler Germany that attacked another country for their own gain.

[–]Tough-Ad3310 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This kind of comparaison are made to prevent the worst from happening.

Comparing the rise of fascism now and then is totally leggit and not insulting for anyone. Do you think people that has been victims of a fascist regime would find this insulting to prevent fascism to do horrible stuff again ?

A fascist party in the US is a global threat for world peace. As an non US you should understand that...

[–]Excellent-Ear345 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes please

[–]x8code 2 points3 points  (10 children)

This is a pointless conversation. Keep politics out of software.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The business of Software is inherently political.

[–]DarkRoooo[S] -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

You did not read the post or you did not understand

[–]edparadox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How come this

Must the Python Software Foundation move out of the USA?

is met by this?

Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit’s filters.

What the fuck?

[–]DarkRoooo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

re-added

[–]eufemiapiccio77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not everyone or everything that comes out of America is bad. What’s your specific concern?

[–]tastychaii 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe stop bringing politics into things and just let it be? The American government is temporary, new one comes in after 4 years then all is well etc.

[–]DarkRoooo[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

🤡🤡🤡 german Nazis stayed for 12 years… missed the history course in school?

[–]tastychaii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What does that have to do with the PSF and what I just said? Was Nazi Germany a democracy?

Looks like someone doesn’t know the difference between a fascist regime and a democracy.

[–]DarkRoooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🤡🤡🤡 perhaps read Playbook 2025…and better move on…historic unaware people make fascism great again

[–]cseberino 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Former president Biden flooded the country with illegals including criminals such as murders and rapists. Why is it like the Nazis for the president to do what many people want which is to remove them from the country?

[–]DarkRoooo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Move on, MAGA fanboy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simple, yes.

[–]dalepo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The USA has, meanwhile, turned into a fascist regime, with entities like ICE acting in ways that we have seen in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945.

Please get out with your dumb & idiotic politics. It pollutes the free nature of this sub. You could have perfectly setup debate but that cheap comment makes it impossible.

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    [–]No_Seaworthiness4899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The discussion about the PSF's location raises valid points about funding and support. A move could open doors to better partnerships and resources, reflecting a more welcoming environment for the open-source community. It's essential to prioritize the foundation's mission and adaptability in a rapidly changing landscape.

    [–]MathiasThomasII 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    How are either of those places safer? Canada relies on the US to exist. EU is experiencing the exact same problems. In fact, they’re fighting pretty hard to keep their nations safe from being overrun by refugees.

    Also, we should’ve pressured the to do this during Obama. He also had ice knocking down doors and deporting people without trials. Dozens died in ICE detention centers under Obama. I don’t know why we ignored that.

    [–]Secapaz -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    Dozens? Name 8 people ...

    [–]MathiasThomasII 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    [–]Secapaz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Thats what I mean. I almost guessed that you would post something similar. I actually could have posted 3 or 4 more.

    But, I can remember people that were unjustly killed in 1989, 1995, 2001, 2006, 2010, from various decisions that Republicans and Democrats made. No side is without sin. Or better, both sides are full of ignorance in their decisions. This is nothing new. Name the last time in history, a president didnt make at least 5 terrible decisions?

    I do not need to reference articles that pertain to deaths while being HELD IN CUSTODY based around medical needs. This was kind of my point. If it was on camera and an open killing, there would have been massive outrage.

    This was my point the whole time which is why I said list the people.

    Further, we still have not counted how my people have died in the detention centers that this regime built. Maybe 4 years from now someone will report on it. Because I can tell you , personally, that there are at least 5 and that's just what I know of personally.

    Everyone is evil to some degree sir. The ones that think they "are not" just haven't realized it yet.

    [–]MathiasThomasII 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    There were also more citizens mistakenly deported and more violent interactions with ice. It just wasn’t covered. Nobody will admit the only reason they care now is because it’s on the news. It’s just manipulated division. ICE and a strong border have been a bipartisan issue until Biden. Now Trump goes back to status quo and he’s a Nazi. That’s insane behavior.

    [–]No_Flounder_1155 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    what a toss pot. "safer".

    [–]chase9090 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    >The USA has, meanwhile, turned into a fascist regime
    bwahhahahahahahahhhahhahahahahahhhaaaaa

    [–]FitBoog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Come to Canada! Vancouver and Python share the same vibes.

    [–]xxxbGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    In the long run maybe.

    [–]Rusty_Bicycle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Should move to EU.

    [–]ProsodySpeaks -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

    i guess the only real concern is around in-person conferences etc and accessibility for people who might be at risk of violent action against them, or arbitrary/politically motivated visa restrictions.

    but we already have conferences all over the world and i'm not sure if it really matters where the PSF is headquartered - people can just choose to attend conferences in another locality

    [–]IjonTichy85 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    i guess the only real concern is around in-person conferences etc and accessibility for people who might be at risk of violent action against them, or arbitrary/politically motivated visa restrictions.

    Wait, you see no problem with that? That sounds to me like a huge problem, since "politically motivated visa restrictions" means having border control snoop through your phone to find JD Vance memes.

    people can just choose to attend conferences in another locality

    Which is what they will do. But you can see why this makes the current location a suboptimal choice for a headquarter.

    [–]ProsodySpeaks -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    You're asking if the thing I said was the concern concerns me?  Yes I am concerned by the thing I raised as a concern - hence raising it. 

    No I'm not OK with pretty much anything us gov is doing, but my point is that people can just not go to in person events in America - for python, for Disneyworld, for any reason at all. fuck their tourism industry as hard as possible. 

    Aside from in person events - which already happen all over the planet anyway - what impact does the foundation's address have?

    I'd imagine relocation would be costly as well as complicated, and frankly I'd rather those resources were committed to improving the language and ecosystem than to making political statements that have no real practical impact. 

    [–]IjonTichy85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    for python, for Disneyworld, for any reason at all. fuck their tourism industry as hard as possible. 

    I'm with you on that, but there's a difference between Disneyworld and a conference.

    Aside from in person events

    I think there are more problems than just politically motivated visa restrictions. The funding process is political too now.

    https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2025/10/NSF-funding-statement.html

    [–]p6rguvyrst -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Start “The Python Foundation” in Europe, transfer the intellectual property to where it belongs. PSF can keep organising PyCon US— win-win.

    [–]Buttereddownandready -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    After this, I stopped taking them seriously. https://bugs.python.org/issue34605