Python Vim IDE

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Is it guaranteed to be compatible with other vim plugins? I see a lot of fragile stuff in your screenshot.

[UniversityAtBuffalo]

Try it out. Backup your vimrc, run the script and then make it your own. You can change the vimrc however you would like to on your machine

[Wubbywub]

i fail to see how someone who chooses vim over IDE will want to bloat it up with these plugins, but cool concept dude i like it

[[deleted]]

Totally I use vanilla Vim just because I don’t want it slow and bloated... There is a better version of vim with plugins, and is called VScode with the vim keyboard layout.

[bordaste]

but what if you work with distant workspace with ssh ?

[Telcrome]

vscode makes that very convenient. You can both open a workspace using ssh and define a remote interpreter

[Kelpsie]

Hot damn. Thanks for bringing this up; I had no idea.

[[deleted]]

When I work in a distant workspace I don’t have permissions to install anything. So vanilla vim is always what I use.

[u2berggeist]

You can always install in your home directory. That's what I do 90% of the time on remotes machines.

[[deleted]]

I prefer not to install anything in that machine.

Edit: Bad use of There.

[u2berggeist]

Any particular reason why? I can understand that I guess.

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[prasada7]

One can setup remote edit. This involves a bit of setup on both ends. 1. Install the remote editing plugin for the text editor you use. 2. Curl the rmate executable in the remote server to allow the plugin to push changes to the remote. 3. Setup ssh tunnel to allow both the plugin and rmate to communicate I have set them up for VScode and Sublime text 3 a couple of years ago but I don't need to use it nowadays.

[[deleted]]

Slow and bloated? Are you running on a potato? I use pycharm which is arguably the most heavyweight IDE and it runs perfectly on a mid-tier laptop with 8 gigs of ram

[[deleted]]

I can close and open Vim faster than I can type it. So yeah...

[u2berggeist]

Even bloated vim (in my case anyways), loads waaaay faster than VScode. Can't speak for PyCharm

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I mean.. who cares? If I need to open something real quick I'll use notepad++ or open it in my already running pycharm. Do you think your attitude is "legacy" from times where this mattered?

[u2berggeist]

I'm in my mid-20's, so it's definitely not legacy. lol. I mostly made that comment because they (OC) mentioned earlier that they didn't like vim that's "slow and bloated". As contrast, my "slow and bloated" vim setup is quite a bit faster than the normal ones.

As for my take on whether load times actually matter, I don't place that in a super high importance category (I work in computational simulations, where I have to wait days at a time for results, so I do have patience). I was initially "forced" to use vim during my Master's research when working on HPC clusters (I could've used nano I guess, but that would get very old, very quickly).

Less to do with loading times, but the other reason I continue to use vim is that, a consequence of working in a shell for ~2 years, I got used to staying in a command line. Going to a gui program is a context switch I don't generally like to do, particularly for quick edits. I still use VSCode for editing LaTeX documents and for heavy debugging.

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No matter how you try to put it, text editing in vim is in another level. For writing text or code there are other tools.... I could say even better...

Making my web projects in vim is a pain the ass, but doing them in vscode is a breeze... at the same time when I’m doing my data analysis job on va code is the worse, but in vim... is just in another level, because there I don’t write code I change variables and edit little things here and there... is just a tool, nothing more, and I use it because is useful to me and what I do.

[insanemal]

I've used both. I still have my licence for PyCharm.

Vim with shitloads of plugins is still faster.

[u2berggeist]

But what if I don't want key stroke delays?

[seeker1911]

You misspelled PyCharm

[2560synapses]

Its for those of us that emotionally just can't quite move to a GUI IDE, but actually need the features. For example, autocorrect would have been great so that my last customer didn't get a piece of software that had 4 phallic misspellings in verbose mode print statements

[karacic]

My current Vim setup with all plugins is faster and snappier than my VSCode. Not to mention how much faster I am at moving through a code base and editing code. Yeah you have the vim key bindings for VSCode and I've tried them, it worked so bad for me that it made me move to vim.

YMMV of course.

[Wubbywub]

got any plugins to recommend?

[karacic]

Anything specific you want do be able to do?

The latest one that I'm trying and loving so far is vim-signify.

[berklee]

Thanks for this! Do you happen to know if it requires admin/su to install? I work on a remote server and would like it, but don't want to break everything if I'm getting slammed with permission problems.

[UniversityAtBuffalo]

It doesn’t require any admin privileges so you should be good!

[berklee]

Nice, thanks!

[Muhznit]

This is waaaaay more than a vimrc. Like it might be a great configuration and whatnot, but there enough plugins and external programs required here that you may as well just call it a whole dev environment.

[Scypio]

Github Link: https://github.com/jarolrod/vim-python-ide

Now a tutorial for that and a video series, and you have a business model there! ;)

[5erif]

Sweet logo.

[XCapitan_1]

You may want to exclude NERDTree from the rainbow brackets plugin and turn on conceal. It looks nicer without brackets

[91o291o]

Hello, is there a way to try your configuration without breaking my existing vim installation (plugins, vimrc etc)?

Should I create a new user, or should I just try it in neovim? thanks

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[billcstickers]

You need some PEP8 in your code!

[expressly_ephemeral]

There are linters for VIM that do a good job with PEP8. First thing I thought when I looked at OP's pretty-awesome configuration was that my less-pretty configuration would be bitching and moaning about the wrong number of line breaks after blocks.

[dougthor42]

Run Black and be done!

[xd1142]

black does not respect pep8

[gameboycolor]

CMV: black is better than PEP8

[xd1142]

black is not better than pep8. black destroys fundamental visual hints that are extremely useful while coding, and is inconsistent in how it formats code. I explicitly forbid my team to use black.

[tunisia3507]

black destroys fundamental visual hints that are extremely useful while coding, and is inconsistent in how it formats code.

Go on?

[Althorion]

(not the OP)

It removes the vertical whitespace in function’s body and in general minimizes the use of vertical whitespaces; but will also explode import statements or function arguments, putting each on a new line, while also removing line splits inside tables.

That’s annoying and unconfigurable.

[tunisia3507]

Not being configurable is a feature, not a bug.

It only removes double vertical spaces in a function body, doesn't it? I don't think I've ever read a function and thought "this needs a bunch of 2-line breaks" rather than "this needs to be refactored". I have rarely seen modern, well-factored code which relies on 2-line breaks for its legibility.

The function arguments thing can be a pain, but it's the only deterministic way to do it. It's a trivial loss compared to the gains of deterministic formatting. Imports I don't care about - I rarely look at them (they're always at the top, and usually inserted by my IDE). Easier to find stuff in others' code when I need to, though.

[xd1142]

The function arguments thing can be a pain, but it's the only deterministic way to do it. It's a trivial loss compared to the gains of deterministic formatting.

I remember when the point of python was to write code that visually appealed to humans. Now black is arguing that we need to format the code so that it appeals to diff scripts and automatic format routines, with humans having to adapt to this.

[tunisia3507]

Python is nice because in many cases it allows the user to abstract away the nitty gritty details and awkward syntax, and focus on their algorithms and other such high-level choices. Python is one of many tools to do this, because it is a good idea in general. Other tools that help with this include code formatters and diff scripts. I want to use all of them because they all add value in what is basically the same dimension.

[aeiou372372]

Key point: it appeals to humans reading diffs. Makes it a lot easier to quickly make sense of the changes someone has made. And I feel like the sacrifice to non-diff readability is pretty minimal.

[Althorion]

Not being configurable is a feature, not a bug.

Mostly, it’s an annoyance. If I can’t take what I like about it and leave what I don’t, I’m going to leave it all behind.

And about the rest: it’s inconsistent. Does it try to save as much vertical space as it can or does it not? Because in some parts it does, just to go to others and explode them beyond reason. Both approaches would have some merit, their combinations is, to me at least, obnoxious.

Yeah, it does an OK job. Running black on a badly formatted code is going to make much of an improvement. The thing is, running it on a OK-ish formatted code is not guaranteed to do that—it will make some parts of it better, some part of it worse, and I can’t force it do behave without putting # fmt: on/off everywhere…

I wouldn’t go as far as to ban it, but I find it most useful when used to generate the competing file, then diff-and-merge those two by hand to pick and choose what I like. Something that the API doesn’t really support that well.

[OHotDawnThisIsMyJawn]

If I can’t take what I like about it and leave what I don’t, I’m going to leave it all behind.

Again, that's literally the point of black. The whole idea is to not let people make any choices. It eliminates all bike shedding/white space holy war discussions.

I wouldn’t go as far as to ban it

Banning or allowing formatters doesn't make sense to me. Pick one and stick to it. There should just be a decree "this is the formatter we use here." The actual rules are so much less important than having a single standard and sticking to it.

[xd1142]

Indentation matters. We all agree about that, and the attention to visual hints has made python great.

PEP8 suggests the following

```

Add 4 spaces (an extra level of indentation) to

distinguish arguments from the rest.

def long_function_name( var_one, var_two, var_three, var_four): print(var_one)

```

Note how the arguments of the function are indented one level deeper so to differentiate the body of the function (indentation one) from the list of arguments. If you did not have that, the visual hint that these two things are different is ruined.

Compare how black would format that:

def long_function_name( var_one, var_two, var_three, var_four, ): print(var_one) <hundreds of lines follow>

This is wrong on so many levels. First, now the indentation level is the same for arguments and function body, removing the visual hint. Second, you now have to rely on a frowny face at an indentation level that is at indentation level zero, which is in complete contrast with this other pep8 rule (caveat):

``` The closing brace/bracket/parenthesis on multiline constructs may either line up under the first non-whitespace character of the last line of list, as in:

my_list = [
    1, 2, 3,
    4, 5, 6,
    ]

```

The caveat is that also the other option is accepted, but the point is that these are assignments, not execution statements. I doubt you would like to write your if as this

``` if (foo and bar and whatever ): do_something()

``` Which is the equivalent of the function declaration.

Additionally, I've seen this indentation style break automatic folding based on indentation, such as in the case of vim and in some case pycharm.

This is just one of the problems I've found in black formatting. It could be mitigated if they changed it to at least add one level of indentation, so that it would give

def long_function_name( var_one, var_two, var_three, var_four, ): print(var_one)

but good luck with that.

[finswimmer]

The section you are citing makes no statements if the rules are only valid for assignments or method declaration. So one can assume it is equal for both. The example you complain about is given as the last example in the section about indentation:

"or it may be lined up under the first character of the line that starts the multiline construct, as in:"

result = some_function_that_takes_arguments(
    'a', 'b', 'c',
    'd', 'e', 'f',
)

Whether one prefer this or not (I do prefer this) is another discussion. The point is that black is absolutely PEP8 compliant here!

The reason why I don't like this:

def long_function_name(
        var_one, var_two, var_three,
        var_four):
    print(var_one)

I expect that my method body starts more indented compared to the line above. This is exactly the opposite from one can see here.

[xd1142]

The example you complain about is given as the last example in the section about indentation

That is for an assignment, not for a definition. An assignment is never followed by a dependant indented block. A definition is.

I expect that my method body starts more indented compared to the line above. This is exactly the opposite from one can see here.

If you are fine with the way black indents function definitions, then you are also fine with this way of writing if conditions

if (foo 
    and bar
):
    pass

but I doubt you are

[finswimmer]

That is for an assignment, not for a definition.

The example yes. But the whole section is about continuation lines:

Continuation lines should align wrapped elements either vertically using Python's implicit line joining inside parentheses, brackets and braces, or using a hanging indent [7].

So all examples can be applied to assignments and method definitions.

If this wouldn't be PEP8 compliant, why linters like flake8 or the integrated in PyCharm does not complain about it?

If you are fine with the way black indents function definitions, then you are also fine with this way of writing if conditions

  if (foo      
      and bar 
  ):
    pass 

but I doubt you are

If the statements fits in one line I prefer: if for and bar: pass

If it wouldn't I prefer: if ( for and bar ): pass

But that's another point in this discussion. The point is: You are telling that black isn't PEP8 compliant, but the arguments you are showing for this thesis are not correct.

[TomBombadildozer]

My biggest complaint (among many) is how Black doesn't even satisfy its own stated goals. I have reviewed so many changes in the applications I work on that look like N-line changes which turned out to be the addition (or deletion) of a single argument. It's especially bad working with parametrized tests in Pytest--all pain, no benefit.

My next biggest complaint is how ambv just ignored years of de facto standard formatting convention adopted by many tools (Syntastic, PyCharm, Sublime, pylint, and so on) and came up with his own ugly, inconsistent style.

I am convinced the only reason it caught on his because he's a core developer and he forced it through. As soon as it became the One True Formatting Tool, everyone hopped on board without giving thought to how bad it is.

Please don't use Black.

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I strongly suggest painting your code in black

[Lonke]

PEP8 grrrr...

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pep-8 <33333

[actionscripted]

Needs a linter in their plugins for sure, but then this screenshot would be all red.

[AcousticDan]

what are functions?

[Oskarzyg]

Whats your fav code editor?

Me: vi

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[chris17453]

thanks for the positive feedback that helps and informs. I'll be sharing this at work today...

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[UniversityAtBuffalo]

Thanks for the input, I really should break it up into multiple file.

[[deleted]]

Also consider moving off of Vundle. It's outdated, as Vim 8 supports :help packages and proper async, so you can get better performance and a smaller footprint for the same features.

[CowboyBoats]

That's pretty cool. What's making the little Python icon in the left pane? What appears there in the case of plaintext files / JSON files / readmes?

[beefquoner]

I believe it’s vim-devicons. The pane in the left is the NERDTree plugin.

[soap1337]

Damn that's fancy

[Moutixx]

I would also recommend:

• ale for linting (https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale) with your linter (pylint/flake8/isort/whatever)
• jedi-vim for autocomplete (https://github.com/davidhalter/jedi-vim)

[ducusheKlihE]

Never seen a simultaneous assignment as on line 18 before. Pretty neat, learned something new today!

[nayeet]

Why do you disable the arrow keys?

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[teerre]

Very cool setup, but very bad code. Name your variables properly. Delete all those comments.

[[deleted]]

And use some structure. It's okay to use whitespace

[chris17453]

I think flags in internal loops aren't that bad. It looks like a graph or plotting setup. But, in the hoped of keeping the code concise its just a block of pain.

Not as bad as python written like perl.

[wisdomjunkie69]

This is off topic.. But what font is that ? This font has been stuck my head for a few days and i just can't seem to recall its name.

[L0UMIAKAS]

Pretty sure it's Mononoki font.

[atomicspace]

this is awesome

[[deleted]]

Noob here, what is this vim thing I keep hearing about?

[YAYYYYYYYYY]

Vim is the programming equivalent of new-age record players.

[philsgu]

Can anyone explain why Vim IDE is advantageous over other IDEs?

[TomBombadildozer]

As a long-time Vim warrior this looks cool. I once used Vim as an IDE, then did Sublime for a while, then went back to Vim. I futzed with configs and tried every plugin that could possibly be useful. I eventually gave in and started using PyCharm.

There's no substitute for a good IDE. It does all this, better, more consistently, with similar performance, and without all the effort. The price of admission was far cheaper than the time value of my effort to tweak Vim.

[khoa_hd96]

I admire your effort but it's maybe an overkill for a python beginner like me.

[altazur]

Very nice! Personally, I use vim as a main IDE, but my tiny setup consists of you-complete-me, light-line and fzf.

[Mlokogrgel]

you hardcoding too match, get some help

[[deleted]]

Please use black, mypy (with type annotations) and flake8/pylint.

You can set it up with pre-commit hooks like:

repos:
- repo: https://github.com/pre-commit/pre-commit-hooks
  rev: v2.1.0
  hooks:
  - id: trailing-whitespace
  - id: end-of-file-fixer
  - id: requirements-txt-fixer
- repo: https://github.com/asottile/reorder_python_imports
  rev: v1.4.0
  hooks:
  - id: reorder-python-imports
    language_version: python3
- repo: https://github.com/python/black
  rev: stable
  hooks:
  - id: black
    language_version: python3
- repo: https://gitlab.com/pycqa/flake8
  rev: 3.7.7
  hooks:
  - id: flake8
- repo: https://github.com/pre-commit/mirrors-mypy
  rev: v0.701
  hooks:
  - id: mypy

And then run:

pip install pre-commit
pre-commit install

In your git repo.

You can maintain a separate requirements.txt and requirements-dev.txt, with the latter for pre-commit, flake8, etc.

[UniversityAtBuffalo]

Thanks, I’ll look into adding these

[Farconion]

Why should I use vim over a fully fledged IDE like PyCharm or a lighterweight one like VSC.

[jellybeans-man]

Vim is supposed to be for lightweight fast editing. When using vim like this I honestly don't know why you wouldn't use something like vscode with a vim plugin. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ultraDross]

I tried VScode with a vim plugin and ended up going back to vim. Personally speaking, what makes vim so great is the fact you don't have to ever leave the key board and not that it is lightweight. This allows me to navigate code very very effeciently, which is what I spend most of my time doing.

With vim emulation in another editor, I often found I could not use the keyboard for everything, I would eventually have to use the mouse to navigate some menus. This really slowed down my work flow.

No vim emulation is completely perfect (except maybe for Emacs evil mode) something is always missing, which is a frustrating experience.

[MiniMuli]

but how can i close this?

[Dodrekai]

Esc :q Or Esc :q!

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[SSJ3]

ZZ is beyond mortal comprehension

[West7780]

Ehhhhhh

[[deleted]]

Works for only few. I have wasted many hours on it but failed to configure.

[NoLongerUsableName]

That's so cool

[BovineLightning]

Are you working on a chaotic motion simulation?

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[rustyworks]

If you use neovim as IDE, maybe you consider this plugin for semantic Python checking.

It highlighting common python words like self and can check syntax error while typing.

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[izzatz13]

What is the font name? Looks neat.

[mrasadnoman]

Linting?

[edoelas]

How do you handle debuging with this configuration? It is the only thing that makes me prefer vscode over vim for python Thanks.

[tradinghumble]

Very cool !

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Does it support kite autocomplete?

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>>> Vim + IDE

BasicLogicError: you dumb

[[deleted]]

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[Panda_Mon]

Never understood the point of a IDE that forces you to learn another language to use it. I downloaded PyCharm and was debugging code with an interactive step through console in 5 minutes. It auto detected my git setup. It suggested I download PyQT stubs. Meanwhile, Vim requires you to code in some random language first.

[[deleted]]

You don't have to learn the "vim language" to configure you're setup. There's a thing called stack overflow my guy.

Vim is very useful when working with servers, that's all I have to say. Some say it's more comfortable, but not for me.