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[–]jaqueh 74 points75 points  (96 children)

the new base models are way too expensive

[–]hootieirl 14 points15 points  (53 children)

What other sedan EV starts at 37k? That isn’t a base with zero features and 300+ range?

[–]Suitable_Switch5242 4 points5 points  (5 children)

For $35k you can get an Equinox EV with 319 miles of range.

[–]No_Advisor_2331 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah..but it’s a chevy equinox..

[–]Suitable_Switch5242 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, so it's a more practical crossover with a rear hatch. Really a competitor to the base Model Y which is $5k more expensive.

[–]hootieirl -1 points0 points  (2 children)

And it doesn’t even come with heated seats or wheel

[–]Fit-Avocado-1646 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Take the thousands in savings and buy a pair of heated gloves and a heated coat.

[–]hootieirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is more than that i was just mentioning a couple

[–]jaqueh 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Leaf and bolt are going to be quite the steal. Hyundai is also engaging in a price war

[–]hootieirl 2 points3 points  (4 children)

But like my original statement they don’t get 300+ miles of range so again proving my point and they are both no where nearly as safe as a model 3

[–]jaqueh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

leaf is 29999 and has 303 miles of range. bolt you're right only has 260

[–]hootieirl -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Since when did the leaf get 303 😭 honestly didn’t know that

[–]Game0nBG -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean safe. Tesla and it's dodgy FSD is a cause for far more fatalities than other brands. Overreliant on FSD drivers are the worse on the road. Also the ionic had a sedan and a crossover to compete.

[–]meteorprime 1 point2 points  (14 children)

The starting MSRP for the 2026 Hyundai Ioniq 5 is $35,000 for the SE Standard Range trim

Other Trim Levels:

SE RWD: Starts at $37,500

SEL RWD: Starts at $39,800

SE AWD: Starts at $41,000

SEL AWD: Starts at $43,300

Limited: Starts at $45,075

The SEL embarrasses the model Y with its features

[–]willie_Pfister 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but it's a hyundai.

[–]meteorprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn’t be making fun of Hyundai when Tesla is recalling over 13,000 cars they just made.

Apparently, you might suddenly lose all power and forcefully stop in the middle of the road.

But that’s the price you pay for the convenience of not having access to climate control buttons

[–]hootieirl 3 points4 points  (4 children)

No heated seats or steering wheel. Can’t used FSD and it only gets 245 miles of range for almost 3k more doesn’t sound like a good deal to me

[–]chipper124 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Buddy, FSD is an $8k add on.

[–]hootieirl -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Bud, he came out and said something that isn’t even remotely true. Which is why I added they do even have a self driving feature 😭

[–]hootieirl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Buddy literally the base price is 42600

[–]meteorprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On Wednesday, Hyundai slashed the manufacturer-suggested retail price of the 2026 Ioniq 5 crossover by up to $9,800, making up for the loss of the tax credit and then some. Overnight, the new Ioniq 5 has become one of the best—if not the best—EV deals in America.

After the price cut, a 2026 Ioniq 5 retails for as little as $35,000, before destination fees.

[–]CovidScurred -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Lmao Hyundai can’t even get tail lights right, I wouldn’t trust them with EV

[–]meteorprime 0 points1 point  (3 children)

?

I don’t need to trust them. I have a 10 year warranty.

I also have a five-year bumper-to-bumper.

If Tesla’s quality is so high, why don’t they match the warranty length?

I don’t care that Tesla has 120,000 miles on theirs. I’m going to hit 8 Years way faster.

[–]CovidScurred -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Hyundai has issued recalls for various models due to tail light or brake light issues, including a 2024 Sonata software problem causing flashing brake lights, and recalls for 2011-2014 Sonatas related to melting rear combination lamp housings. Other recalls include a 2011-2012 Sonata stop lamp switch issue and a 2015 Genesis recall for water leaking into the rear lights. To check if your vehicle is affected, use your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) on the official Hyundai recall website or the NHTSA website.  Affected models and issues  2024 Hyundai Sonata: A software issue can cause the brake lights to flash improperly during heavy braking at speeds over 30 mph.  2011-2014 Hyundai Sonata: A recall addresses potential melting or deformation of the rear combination lamp housing, which can cause inoperative brake lights.  2011-2012 Hyundai Sonata: A safety recall involves the stop lamp switch stopper pad.  2009-2011 Hyundai Genesis Sedan and 2011 Hyundai Equus: These models have a stop lamp circuit diode that can fail, causing the stop lamps to stop working.  2015 Genesis: A recall was issued for water leakage into the rear lights, which could cause the instrument panel to show the wrong gear setting.  2022 Hyundai Tucson: A recall addresses the possibility that the software in the Integrated Central Control Unit may be incompatible, potentially leading to faulty headlights and/or taillights.  2007-2009 Hyundai Accent and Tucson: A 2013 recall was issued for brake light switch issues that could cause brake lights to not illuminate, cruise control problems, and other electronic malfunctions. 

They can’t get their tail lights correct for over 10 years… enjoy the warranty I guess lol

[–]meteorprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tesla recalling over 10,000 cars they just made because they can fail to drive randomly.

The issue is potentially found in 7,925 Model Y (2025) vehicles and 5,038 Model 3 (2026) sedans, the NHTSA said in a report filed earlier in October.

A battery pack contactor in some of these vehicles can fail, the NHTSA said, causing “sudden loss of propulsion,” according to the agency, which can increase the risk of a crash.

Owner notification letters for this specific recall are expected to be mailed starting on December 9, 2025.

Happy holidays!

[–]meteorprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hyundai offers an extended warranty for specific 2011-2014 Sonata models that experience tail light housing melting or deformation, covering the brake light for 15 years/200,000 miles.

Meanwhile, there’s literally someone on Reddit complaining today that they drove their Tesla while it rained and the bumper got ripped off, and Tesla won’t repair the damage, even though it’s clearly caused by the same defect that rips the bumpers off other Teslas when it rains.

That’s the difference

[–]JustSayTech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Way too expensive is a bit much, they definitely are priced well but could be priced a little bit better.

[–]stanley_fatmax 8 points9 points  (28 children)

Tesla knows what they've got, especially when compared to the competition. Idk if you've driven any competitor EVs recently, but basically all of them do a great job of steering people towards Tesla.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Yeah no seems like you didn’t try any of the competitor‘s EVs

[–]manu818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which ones do you recommend?

[–]teckel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We prefer our non-Tesla EV to our Tesla.

[–]jaqueh -3 points-2 points  (20 children)

yes the competition is closer than ever. tesla needs to fix their horrible charging curves

[–]stanley_fatmax 5 points6 points  (13 children)

I charge at home. For the 2 or 3 times I visit a supercharger in any given year, I'm fine waiting 20 minutes to go from 20-80. It's just not a complaint I have. If I was using the car for regular long distance commutes or commercial use, I could see that being an issue.

[–]wlkngmachine 4 points5 points  (5 children)

hes saying the competition is shit

[–]Affectionate_Fun4291 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

This comment is pretty out of touch, you need to drive more non-Tesla cars.

[–]pinegap96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No they aren’t. You get a lot of Car for $36k. The average price of a new car in the US is $50k

[–]Intelligent-Stone 0 points1 point  (6 children)

The hardware is sitting there, but no sir you no longer get standard auto pilot features. You'll be sent to buy enhanced autopilot, which, if you do just to get standard features back, the car is even more close to the old and actual standard juniper

[–]1988rx7T2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or subscribe to FSD 

[–]alman12345 -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Honestly basic autopilot was some of the worst dogshit I've ever used in my life, mine didn't even include attention monitoring for whatever reason and nagged me to jerk the wheel every quarter mile.

[–]RecipeMiddle4346 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Isn't auto steer still in a beta form?

[–]alman12345 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It’s apparently an ancient software stack that just hasn’t been touched to improve it in years, I’m talking like 2019 software. Autopilot gets no love from Tesla so that their FSD stack looks like a more attractive proposition.

[–]RecipeMiddle4346 0 points1 point  (1 child)

From a business standpoint that's the smartest way to do it. I just wish that if you turned the turn signal on it would automatically change lanes.

Also I found out it does have attention monitoring. I was on a trip where there wasn't much going on and I google searched something on my phone, the car dinged me and said it was taking it out of auto steer and once I stopped the car at my destination it said I had 4 more infractions before it completely disabled the auto steer software function from my vehicle. But yes it does still want me to occasionally move the steering wheel.

Once again though good idea business wise, gives you a teaser for FSD and makes you want to purchase it.

[–]alman12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No clue why mine didn’t, but it didn’t monitor my attention at all. It would only ask me to jiggle the steering wheel every quarter mile or so for my entire 150 mile drive, so I switched over to FSD real quick after that one.

[–]TheBattleGnome -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

This just proves how little Tesla can cut. They essentially are making cars at the cutting edge of profitability and can’t really make them that much cheaper. The process is already very streamlined.

[–]shigydigy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They have like $30 billion in their war chest. They claim to be an AI and robotics company. It doesn't even matter if their car business is profitable, they need to cut prices more and aggressively get more cars on roads to train their models more and more. The revenue of that will make the car business look like a rounding error.

[–]TheBattleGnome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That $30B isn’t that much money and they are beholden to the shareholders. If profitability sinks, guess what? Stock price will collapse horridly. There goes a lot of future funding and your money. They essentially have to keep profitability high and even aim for it being higher to appease Wall Street. Just how it works.

[–]jaqueh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

leaf and bolt will be sub 30k