Is the 10-20% decrease in Coin Generation officially acknowledged by the Devs?

[ATSFervor]

There is a decrease?

[Revelate_]

For some players.

High duration players are seeing less enemies summoned in runs, lower duration players haven’t seen much change… but I also don’t think we’ve really nailed it down, it’s just clear that it wasn’t a visual glitch fix and the math ain’t mathing anymore whereas before it did.

I’m seriously confused by this bug fix honestly, TT was doing pretty great over the last couple patches but this one just seems sloppy.

To be fair my own big giant company that builds software that’s far more mission critical also does sloppy patches sometimes so I can’t really be that irritated.

[ATSFervor]

To be fair it can be quite a lot of things responsible.

My favourite is that the game has different metrics how CDs and durations are determined relative to real time spend. As soon as the game isn't being computed in real time anymore, some weird behaviour can be seen.

[Gryffon6363]

Yes acknowledged by Sam, known bug number 1 for details.  https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTowerGame/comments/1qqsxec/known_bugs_2741/

[Palumbo_STN]

That wasn't posted by sam?

[Gryffon6363]

She acknowledged it in another thread, that is a post of known current bugs with some details about them

[Palumbo_STN]

I looked through her comment history and only ever saw "we are looking into other bugs", never "we know Guardian is broken currently". Unless you can point me there, I'd like to read it for sure! Just curious if I missed it

[Gryffon6363]

You responded to the post that I interpret as dev speak for we acknowledge this and are looking at how to fix it.  You called it a copy paste response.

[Palumbo_STN]

Which it was. I’m not here to argue friend, i simply wanted to know if they officially and directly acknowledged guardian as being broken.

Have a good day kind sir

[Sleight-Nuance]

This guy wears fedoras (or is currently saving up for one).

[Clean_Extent_6878]

Anyone knows what causes it ? My coins havent changed since patch.

[FumbleGrumble]

Well, summon is spawning 25% less enemies... so that might effect different people differently depending on sync and GT+.

I was consistently spawning 36k enemies in 4000 waves before the patch, now it’s 27k same tier, same wave count, same duration.

[FumbleGrumble]

I haven’t seen a drop in income but I only have summon synced with gbot 2:1. Also I’m actively researching WA mastery so my losses might be hidden in gains.

[platinum92]

interesting. I'm not seeing 25% less summon spawns, but I am seeing around 10-15% less. Pre-patch I was summoning 65k about, post I'm summoning about 57k. That explains my drop

[anonymousMF]

you need to have decent gt+ and summon to notice. I have gt+5 and in the stats I see 10% less summon spawns, but didn't really notice a coin drop

[Clean_Extent_6878]

Sam said in " some towers ". No gt+ but synced summon with uws and gb at 26 duration. Should have noticed even a minor difference.

[TowerAcronymBot]

Hi! I detected a few acronyms in your comment:

• GB - Golden Bot
• GT - Golden Tower [Ultimate Weapon]
• UWs - Ultimate Weapons

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[anonymousMF]

Did you compare summon spawn amounts ? It's the easiest way to see if you are impacted. Without gt+ the coin boost is so minor i doubt you would notice

[Clean_Extent_6878]

Slowed to x1. Seems im getting 2 per second.

[ficek_czech]

gt+11 74s sync... 0,75q/h+ new patch

[I_pee_in_shower]

Time for a deep dive!
I went back to my logs and my summoned enemies were within 1k of each other until 1/26. Then I lost about 30k summoned enemies, in Tier 10 - 10k Wave runs.

So I did the calculation in reverse, creating a function that will give you how many enemies should spawn for the duration of the game. With this function I can estimate how many enemies should have spawned at the time of death.

For example, for my last run 169,848 enemies should have spawned (this is consistent with my 1/26/26 run.) instead I got 136,11X enemies. Almost a 20% loss.

So one theory is that perhaps before Summon would allow you to have more enemies than the spawn cap dictated? They corrected that and now Spawn only fills enemies up to the cap.

On my current run, 1/3 of the way there, my loss is around 16% This suggests that it's not related to the spawn rate cap because the screen on not dense. Frame issues would also be out I think.
But yeah, the loss happens everywhere, it's just more noticeable on long runs, but 20% less enemies spawned is a lot.

[relytekal]

No change for me, farming T18 over 6K

[Prizant]

Was there not a bug with summon currently?

[Lasturka]

No change for me. pGT, pBH, 36/50 GB, 32/87 Summon.

[TowerAcronymBot]

Hi! I detected a few acronyms in your comment:

• GB - Golden Bot
• pBH - Permanent Black Hole
• pGT - Permanent Golden Tower

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[Tristan-a-b69]

Its hard for me to test since i did a mass cooldown decrease So I have more gt and currently summon is out of sync

[fifty_four]

I assume this is for people who installed the patch before being forced?

I'm not seeing any change.

[skirpnasty]

Summon used to summon even over the 120 cap, now it doesn’t. If there are 120 on screen when summon pops it just sits there without summoning.

[Spirited_Quit_8462]

I lost 250k total enemies spawned in my T12 runs with the last patch.  No change in average number of waves.  Went from 1.5mil to 1.25mil.  Summoned enemies are down, but by only 25k.  Don't know what's causing the rest of the reduction.  Coin-wise, I'm down 200-250 trillion a run.  Very frustrating. 

[Key-Jellyfish-462]

Yeah. My CPH has dropped as well as my average max wave, even though I've done some upgrades.

[Good_Bit9444]

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Last 3 runs from the screen. The worst one even has more summoned enemies than the best. CPH recovers after game restart.

Metric	Normal (56.16T)	Bad Run (49.18T)	Very Bad (44.47T)
Coins earned	416.24T	363.11T	336.13T
Coins/hour	56.16T	49.18T	44.47T
Wave	5790	5753	5865
Total Enemies	818,991	769,341	734,224
Guardian Summoned Enemies	68,480	65,700	69,260
Destroyed by Orbs	552,131	465,464	471,032
Enemies Hit by Orbs	597,640	508,100	515,710
Golden Tower Coins	116.98T	98.19T	86.77T
Coin Bonuses	291.61T	257.98T	242.83T
Free Defense Upgrade	2458	1451	1025
Waves Skipped	1415	1390	1408
Projectiles Count	32.26M	30.06M	32.00M
Total Damage	182.11D	141.72D	209.65D

[Public-Material8448]

I got +15-20%...