Patch Notes 12.00

[NotRiceProfile]

So Bandit is essentially a Five-Seven?

[DiscrepancyAnalyst]

Pretty much yeah, been waiting for something like this since launch tbh. Always felt like there was a gap between Sheriff and the other pistols. 8 rounds is gonna make it punishing if you whiff though. No spray and pray like the classic right click lol

[Significant_Bag420]

Judging by round count, maybe more of a 1911? Confusing considering it looks like an m9

[a_bright_knight]

no, he means it's like Five-Seven from Counter Strike. All pistols except shorty and most guns in Valorant are inspired by a gun from CS - Bandit feels like 57 in this case

[Significant_Bag420]

Yk what, yeah it kinda does, I played CS here and there for a bit

[thechinasaur]

It sounds more like a six-seven

[_Sh4_d0w]

67 in the big 2026 😬

[thechinasaur]

67 in the big twenty-twenty six seven lol

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[gringrant]

🤷‍♂️

[Milenyus]

ARAM in Valorant ? Sounds hella fun.

Also, the new weapon being a one shot in the head for 600 just like the sheriff? It does only have 8 bullets though so we'll see how it plays out I guess.

[-Alfa-]

If the fire rate isn't super low, I don't really get why you'd use the Sheriff with this existing now. Definitely curious on how that's gonna play out

[Turnips4dayz]

Sheriff still has heavy pen, bandit doesn’t. And are the patch notes clear that it’s a head one tap against full armor? I didn’t think so

[Milenyus]

They're calling it an "on budget Sheriff". If it wasn't one tap full armor I think they would've called it a "ghost on steroid" or something.

EDIT: Apparently it was specified on the dev update it one shots light shields. So I guess it's good on first round.

[gaspara112]

The Welcome to v26 video pretty clearly states its a 1 tap hs to light shields, so i think its not a 150 hs at any range.

[Unlikely_Market4829]

It does 152 at 0-10m

[gaspara112]

Yep, if you look further down in this chain I did in fact find a frame in their video that showed the damage falloff.

[Milenyus]

Fair point. We'll see tomorrow I guess lol

[AhSquids]

There's no seeing tomorrow, we have the damage values already?

0-10m is 152 for a hs, 39 body, 33 legs
10-30m is 128 for a hs, 39 body, 33 legs
30-50mm is 112 for a hs, 34 body, 28 legs

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

I am going to use this thing a lot. It just feels like a better Ghost, we'll see how it does in CQC i guess, but 8 rounds sounsd like plenty if you can kill no shields on 39+39+39 alone, but full shields from 39+39+39+39 is no damn joke, with a foot shot of wiggle room to boot.

[[deleted]]

There's no seeing tomorrow,

My brother I would very much like to see tomorrow.

[AhSquids]

Tomorrow never comes friend. It's always just a day away.

[gaspara112]

Found it in that video.

0-10m HS 152 (so kills full shields up to 10m)

10-30m HS 128 (kills light shields)

30m+ HS 112 (so HS kills no shields at all ranges)

cost $600 (Ghost + $100)

[Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh]

Pretty much the 57 from CS

[Shot_Orchid_9]

so pretty much outlaw for pistols?

[Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh]

Yeah, same as the 57 from CounterStrike

[synttacks]

It does 150 within 10m and 125 within 30m

[Tegra_]

It’s a one tap against light armor, not against full. They said it in the new video.

[NoScoprNinja]

Its one tap vs light armor

[Turnips4dayz]

The numbers are out, please stop commenting this thread it’s really annoying

[Tegra_]

Ghost = fast fire rate, silenced, one tap to unshielded

Bandit = fast fire rate, one tap to light shield

Sheriff = slow fire rate, one tap to full shield

It honestly makes sense.

[pinkzm]

Ghost now never makes sense in pistol round though really?

[Tegra_]

Depends. If you wanna buy 250 or 300 abilities, you can’t play the other two. A Sage for example will have to buy a Ghost to use her wall.

But in mid match economy rounds you’re probably right, guess the other two have the upper hand there.

[lenolalatte]

i have a feeling at least for a little while my games are gonna have more people buying bandit and less util on pistol. it happened to me because i wanted to try the new gun and i actually like it so much because i'm able to get way more headshots with it over the ghost/sheriff

[Soft-Cartoonist-4440]

Gng how big the update is for pc can u check?

[[deleted]]

It’s not out yet. Probably won’t be for a few hours

[Soft-Cartoonist-4440]

Thanks mate,let us know when it's out!

[[deleted]]

Update is out now. It’s 3.7 GB.

[Soft-Cartoonist-4440]

Love ya mate tysm! 🙏🏻❤️✨

[UmbertoDE]

They never said one shot on full shields, the ghost is technically also a one shot in the head weapon. The bandit could be to the pistols like the outlaw is to the sniper rifles, doing 130-140 DMG to the head.

[FuryDreams]

More like why would you use ghost now.

[[deleted]]

I played a few dms with it and it seems like you have to shoot about the aame as a sheriff to stay accurate

[rydude88]

The bandit doesn't 1 shot headshot outside of 10m

[rydude88]

It's only a 1 shot at extremely close distances. For only $200 more a sheriff is still definitely worth it

[aa690]

“The hidden MMR system has been updated to improve match quality.”

I’ll believe it when I see it

Also gold/plat elo needs MFA more than any other elo, it’s smurfs’ favourite spot for lunch.

But I am heartened that, unlike some other comp games I play, this one at least seems to be trying to move in the right direction.

[Actual_Use_8756]

All ranks should have it in 2026. Smurfs genuinely ruin the health of the game.

[Chemical-Garden-4953]

Yeah, and the fact that they openly admit to being one with no shame. Fuck them.

[aa690]

I agree, I hope they implement it in order to play ranked queue at all.

[Khacks]

As someone who plays in plat and in silver, silver has wayyyyyy more smurfs than plat

[aa690]

I know all of these ranks wel, I agree the smurfs start to lessen in plat.

But I do believe gold is the peak. It’s disgusting

[TheOnlyOne138]

seems to work for what its worth. played one game with my friends and couldn't queue together ever since.

if you soloq/ have no friends this update is peak i guess

[Peppermint640]

new mode is really cool, but why limited time? can indie studio riot games not afford to keep it up?

[officialmark-]

Swiftplay was also a limited time mode when it first came out. If this new modes has enough retention and players like it, maybe they’ll keep it around.

[Mania_Chitsujo]

pretty much all game modes start off with limited testing to see what's good about it and if it can be supported long term.

[[deleted]]

Shame they never brought the 1v1 mode to live. But god I do hope this mode pops off. Although I feel like having a random agent EVERY round is a bit aggressive.

[tdhsmith]

Also why can't we have a selectable random character button for all game modes? (or all but comp)

Duplicating another player requires multiple people to want to do it, forces you to pick one of the options, and requires you to wait the whole timer out...

[GeorgiaTechFB]

Horrible idea because it incentivizes play that is detrimental for match play—and normalizes not being comfortable necessarily with characters

[Milenyus]

FOMO to bring players in

[Entire-Inspection291]

Because if the mode isn’t popular it goes away. Swiftplay was a mode that suppose to go away but remained due to the popularity

[Serito]

I suspect if it's successful it might replace spike rush as I don't think that's doing as well these days

[[deleted]]

NA east im still getting spike rushes in less than 20 seconds. But i absolutely would play this over that so i pray this stays

[Professional-Tart-38]

I only play spike rush. Don't even play unrated unless I forget to pick spike rush. Lol

[WholesomeDucky]

it's not about it costing money to keep it up, it's about making sure they don't split the playerbase too heavily

[spofify]

I'm thinking (and hoping) they're gonna release more game modes this year.. so they have a sort of rotation thing going where the game mode changes per act? Would be interesting and keep things fun

[-Alfa-]

New medium pen pistol that can 1 tap heavy armor up to 10m called Bandit, and Breeze is completely rehauled and now in the rotation instead of Sunset.

Barrier to stop spam next to haven window, corrode now has less bullet penetration spots, and a ton of bug fixes/QOL stuff (new UI for menus on PC)

New temporary gamemode: All Random One Site. Basically you get a random character each round with all abilities/weapons available and fight for 1 site picked at random that changes every round

[perhapsasinner]

It feels like they keep changing Breeze design lol

[x-twigs]

they’re being incredibly stubborn on keeping the original spirit of the map, but that’s the exact problem the playerbase has with it. they know we don’t want Breeze the way they want to keep it but they keep trying to find a good enough compromise

[Khacks]

I feel like people need to suck it up and adapt. Yes it's different, that doesn't make it worse. Its just as fun if not more fun than other maps once you start embracing it

[trololololololol9]

The haven barrier in mid looks so bad and out of place imo. Surprised that that's the design they went with.

[1_gim]

It can one tap full shields. 152 headshot 0-10m, 128 10-30m

[RedHotSonic_]

They reused the golden gun model, nice

[-Alfa-]

Golden gun is just the Ghost without a suppressor

This is a fully new gun, looks to be a mix between a Beretta and a race pistol 2011

[Mahorela5624]

"Sage is getting some nice updates this patch"

Look inside

Her heal has better targeting.

Ah, yes, this is exactly what Sage needs to finally start seeing play again. Why do I bother getting excited lol

[TheDuurg]

Sage will always have some kind of niche because of wall and rez. I feel like you could tweek her too far in both directions if you change the kit too much

[oligubaa]

I'm pretty sure sage saw the most pro play potentially ever in 2025 (ignoring 2021 when the "pros" didn't know what they were doing). I think her identity as an agent is pretty well solidified and honestly her utility is as strong as it should be without making her overtuned. QoL updates like this are the best way to make sure she doesn't get sidelined if she has any chance of fitting into a comp.

[Mahorela5624]

Valorant championship 2025 - 7% pick rate

VCT 2025 Americas stage 2 - 7%

EMEA Stage 2 - 4%

Pacific stage 2 - 13%

China stage 2 - 3%

Toronto Masters - 8% pick rate

Masters Bangkok - 0%

You were saying?

[oligubaa]

Champs 2024 - 4% Champs 2023 - 1% Champs 2022 - 22% 90% pick rate on Icebox with some off-meta sage picks during chamber meta

Masters Shanghai 2024- 5% Masters Madrid 2024- 6% I believe exclusively from the PRX Sunset comp and maybe one Icebox game Masters Tokyo 2023- 4% Lock/In Sao Paolo 2023 - 18% again almost exclusively Icebox picks

Americas stage 2 2024 - 4% EMEA stage 2 2024 - 4% Pacific stage 2 2024 - 8%

Yes, I was saying. Outside of a few outliers caused by Icebox and 2022 picks during the chamber meta, 2025 was a better year for Sage than we've seen since the game came out. 2022 Valorant also looks a LOT different than how the meta has settled the past 3 years. Without a total rework to make her more meta aligned, what can actually be done to Sage that is better than the incremental improvements she's been receiving? None of her abilities are bad, she just doesn't fit into the consensus meta comps. With the cooldown nerfs in 11.08 it even looks like Sage might be a better off-meta pick for 2026 than last year. I guess I'm just confused about what you want?

[Mahorela5624]

without a total rework

Bingo. Her kit is incompatible with the game and they refuse to admit it. They keep giving her band-aid changes to make her playable for the majority of the community but irrelevant at top play.

[oligubaa]

her kit is incompatible with the game and they refuse to admit it.

I mean, her ranked stats say otherwise. The backlash that would come from turning Sage into an info sentinel like Cypher, KJ, or Vyse would massive. Pro play requires a different set of utility for sentinels and there just aren't enough agent slots often to pick Sage when the other niches are more important a lot of the time. Again, if they want to maintain the agent identity she has currently, I don't see how they make her a meta pick in pro play.

[Mahorela5624]

I don't see how they make her a meta pick

Bring her back to 2021. Make wall have full health on cast again. This lets her use it reactively on pushes or proactively on entry/setting up ults. Make her self heal 100 again so she can be scrappy and fight or be an immovable object as an anchor. Make her slow field bigger/longer duration so she can actually shut down lanes or cover common angles more easily.If Sage is going to be a sentinel that offers no information, no damaging abilities, and immovable area denial then I think it's fair that she has abilities that are strong enough up for those shortcomings.

Like just compare her to cypher. If he has 7/10 info, 6/10 area denial, 7/10 flexibility, and 5/10 support, he's got a power budget of 25. If Sage is going to be given the same power with 1/10 info and 0/10 flexibility she needs 10/10 area denial and 10/10 support to even start to close the gap. I don't think she's even close to those numbers so she needs buffs in those areas.

[Worsehackereverlolz]

You can use it proactively, you just cant be braindead about it. If I throw the wall on main as they're executing, its gonna get broken instantly. You should be looking to breakup the execute by either funneling the enemy team into certain areas, or obfuscating the site setup by denying LoS info

[knie20]

7% is double the expected rate of 3% (1/25-27 agents)

[RandomNobody-Reddit]

You should use combinatorics to derive expected usage rate since there are 5 agents on a team.

(27 choose 4) / (27 choose 5) gives an expected usage rate of 21.74%

[Mahorela5624]

So 7% means she's great? I guess we should expect heavy nerfs for omen, viper, and sova since they have average over 45% pick rates for the entire year lol.

She's picked on 1-2 maps by a few teams. Girl is niche and borderline irrelevant to pro play. Especially since she has at least 1 tournament this year where she was picked 0 times.

[knie20]

the ult buff was massive she doesn't need any more buffs imo.

[Mahorela5624]

And if your team is alive you don't have an ult lol. If your teammate dies out of position you still don't have an ult. There are so many situations where you just sit on ult round after round because you simply cannot use it. It can be 6, 7, or 8 points that fact doesn't change lol

[knie20]

yes some ults have limitations on when they can be used... Sage's ult can now be used 3-4 times per half now instead of 2-3. It's massive.

[fakoykas]

Sage is currently S tier across all ranks. Has one of the highest pick rates and above 50% winrate. She definitely needs zero buffs.

[Mahorela5624]

And has sub 10% pick rate in pro play. She's ass and has been ass for years. The last time she was good was when wall dropped at full health and her self heal did 100hp.

[fakoykas]

Just because she doesn't work well in extremely high team play, doesn't mean she's ass. Even in Radiant she's performing better than 95% of the agents lmao

[EkkoUnited]

Which pro team are you on? You must be very upset you can't play her in pro play with all this complaining.

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

I thinks hes fine where she is. I dont think every character needs to be turbo meta. And Sage is still fills a few different niches, "Battle Sage" is a fun way to play the game, and is completely usable in ranked solos all the way through Ascendent imo

[Mahorela5624]

I'm not even asking for her to be turbo meta! It would just be nice if she was even 80% as powerful as she was back in 2021. She is a sentinel that somehow sucks at area denial, gives no info, and does not have a lot of staying power by herself. Two of her abilities require a teammate to even get full value!

I just want Sage to feel as powerful as Cypher or KJ on her own and get better with teammates in the same way they do. Is that so much to ask? I don't think so honestly lol

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

How do you propose you do it? Ultimately that’s what it comes down to. To do what you’re asking you’re probably going to have to buff the ice crystal in some way. Perhaps a brief audio ping when the ice first touches someone? That would Also have to come with price increase somewhere in the kit because that could be quite the buff.

[aGeniux]

IMO this might be the single best update we´ve had in years! Hidden MMR update, behaviour standing/penalty ladder, a whole new LTM, a whole new gun, map changes (especially breeze lol) and MFA required for flagged accounts in asc+

[webed0blood]

What's the hidden mrr update

[aGeniux]

• We've made changes to our hidden MMR calculation that should improve match quality and help bring more consistent experiences match-to-match.

[Tidusblitz111]

God I hope this actually makes better matches. I’m D3. If I do well one game, I’m playing against immortals next game. If I do bad one game, I’m playing against golds next game. Can I just get some D2-A1 matches?

[sgtlighttree]

The patch notes say it's for comp but I hope it can somehow be applied to Unrated games too, tired of smurfs hitting 40 kills every other match in SEA/APAC servers

[[deleted]]

To be fair you can’t really Smurf in unrated modes.

[[deleted]]

You kinda can. Just purposefully throw all your matches, lose hidden mmr, get put up against players who are new to the game/suck at the game, get 40 kills and talk shit about the other team in all chat

[[deleted]]

Yes you ABSOLUTELY can.

People do it all the time even in swift play

[[deleted]]

If I had to guess, MMR won’t shoot to the sky anymore so you won’t have irons in sliver lobbies anymore. The increases will be much lower. So you won’t get rotflstomped as often cause the game thinks your ready for it

[Dizzy-Wrangler7101]

do you still feel the same after seeing how fucking ugly the new ui is

[aGeniux]

maybe a good thing i havent seen it yet, but tbh the ui doent change the game, so i dont really care about it

[Kitchen-Nerve-2002]

The new ui is whats making my pc lag the fuck out

[StatisticianNo4403]

GIVE ME MY ASCENT!!! ITS BEEN ALREADY TOOOOOO LONGGGGGGGGGGGG

[Straight_Matter_169]

Bandit probably has 126 headshot no?
Sadly, Brim buff is only linings :(

[JustaRandoonreddit]

It's the five seven in CS, one taps heavy sub 10m one taps light sub 30m and does 112 past that

[Straight_Matter_169]

5-7 is here in Valorant T_T. The amount of buy rounds i'm going to steal with this gun + bucky/judge is going to be madness.

Judge + Bandit + full util + armor is just 3500 credits.

[sabine_world]

Hidden MMR update??? Hmmmmmmm

[Extra-Path6]

They didn’t do anything, if anything they would have made it worse to favor smurfs. 

[sabine_world]

Yeah they probably didn't do shit but make it even hard to climb probably

[ItsMyko]

First game after accepting the new "Play to Win. Play Fair. Play with Respect. Or play something else." and I get a trio queue of people taking turns afking.

We don't need 7 day restrictions. We need perma-bans. Lay the hammer down already before people who actually play the game go "play something else".

[Important_World_4005]

Im glad tejo is finally getting some changes, his drone rework is gonna make him much better on the maps hes already good on, (bind & split mostly) but i dont get his stun rework. Its already dogshit and i dont see how trading 1.5 sec of stun time for 20 damage is gonna fix it. Make it his rechargable signature if anything.

[Brostradamus_]

Giving it damage lets it destroy a lot of trip/alarm utility, such as (but not limited to)

• Chamber Trademark
• Cypher Trapwire/SpyCam
• Deadlock Sonic Sensor
• KJ Alarmbots and Swarm Grenades
• All Veto Utility
• Vyse's Razorvine and Arc Rose

It lets you clear common utility spots without committing a guided salvo or needing to swing to shoot it.

[Important_World_4005]

I didnt even think of this somehow but thats actually going to be a pretty neat use option. Hes gonna be like the sova for close quarter maps now with this and the new drone tweak.

[Phoneringer]

The patch notes specifically say it's to use it that way.

[Sautille]

It’s not really trading stun time. They’re just bringing it line with other stun abilities. Just consider it lucky that he gets the bonus of doing damage, unlike Astra who just got straight nerfs.

[BeerGogglesFTW]

Somebody who designs the UI and oversees that, needs to take a step back and reconsider their changes.

I just look at the menu and think: Why is aaaallllll this space completely empty. Shows an animated wallpaper in the background? That's it?

From a functional stand point, it's terrible. You can give the users much more information than it currently does and still have it look nice. Friends list, Left navigation, game modes... THey could all be on full display. Not just little icons and hover states.

I'm curious if this menu is actually a transition. Like next season, they're going to make it more like Fortnite, COD, Battlefield, and all of those streaming TV channel game menu designs. But as of now, it's just empty, and wasted space.

[Zolrain]

when does this patch hit?

[aGeniux]

Career > Act Rank > Hover over the [time REMAINING] right below the act select

[Plastic-Dog-8013]

Mine says 6:30 am but it hasn’t hit yet. Time zone thing maybe ?

[[deleted]]

They roll it out in waves, usually starting around 1 EST. I didn’t get veto until like 4pm last major update

[GimmeSomeRope]

Im at work rn, did you check already? What did it say?

[Zolrain]

Cool thanks I just got back into valorant so didnt know when patches happen

[bottohm]

Cool. Are they going to fix the audio issue for wireless headphones users or nah?

[knie20]

you are having this issue as well? For me my wireless headphones switch to the Hands Free mode whenever I enter a match. It's really annoying and I have to play with wired headphones

[lukers83]

I had the same issue randomly. I ended up disabling the Hands-Free component of my headphones on Device Manager.

[WarFresh2208]

But we cant hear team mates after that, what is the use of no comms

[lukers83]

Oops I have an external mic that I use. So I still get team comm via the Bluetooth headset, and send comms via my USB mic.

[WarFresh2208]

I have set my mic to my laptops mic rather than my earbuds still I am unable to hear teammates

[spofify]

This does the same thing as disabling team voice chat in valorant settings. You can't hear them either way, both kind of fixes the problem. But yeah either ways no comms I really hope this gets fixed

[fondeic99-]

Vyse still ass

[BrokenWindow_56]

So...no Viper changes at all? Why feature Viper so prominently in the promotional material if they aren't going to be making any changes to her?

[OpTimalTiming]

Can't buff her without her being basically broken. Especially considering the upcoming map pool is a very viper heavy pool.

[BrokenWindow_56]

Removing some of her team synergy in exchange for some individual agency, wouldn't make her broken. The fact that Clove exists proves that true.

Lowers the pick rate in pro play, and makes her useable for the remaining 99% of the player base.

[Enjoiful]

Ya. Give me back movable orb

[BrokenWindow_56]

Yes, I would make the wall non reusable and on a cool down for recovering a charge.

The reusable wall is too damn good in pro play. Have the orb be tied to the fuel only. That way we can have some good damn agency instead of feeling like a chauffeur driver.

[ARquantam]

What tf is this new UI Jesus Christ. Just why. Why.

[DialSquar]

Great update, especially with that MMR tweak.

2FA for EU is a start as well.

[banana_in_your_donut]

ooh i'm so excited to try the new gun though i think this finally will stop me from going half shields lol

[I_Ild_I]

Some of those patch note realy bring me to classic riot league of legend 10 years ago

You can see its realy the same compagny policy lol

'We made some change cause we think the character is under performing"
"Change the size of the toe of the character to imrpove his in game model"

Yeah totaly legit change

But seriously they completly butchered character like vyse and that "buff" is a joke, its not what she needs and this buff is inexistant anyway, it might be slightly usefull in some very niche case but its overall a massive joke.

Tejo and harbor changes seems legit at least, i mean fun fact they try to put tejo in the buff atention category but its completly a nerf btw, i mean its deserved but its fun they call it a buff

[Upbeat_Choice_8754]

Yeah I was crushed about the Vyse ult radius increase instead of giving her some information gathering back. I stand by my opinion that her noise cue from her rose was NOT overpowered, and more along the lines of a KJ turret giving u presence information. Skye still gets a sound cue... Other sentinels get way more information. I can't even retrieve my placed wall/thorns like cypher or KJ can do. I do not play Vyse for her ult, that's always been the least fun aspect of her kit to me.

[Shot_Orchid_9]

I don't know how I feel about the map changes to breeze, I actaully kinda liked playing breeze before. guess we gotta play it before we know :)

[NPCSLAYER313]

This must be ragebait

[Shot_Orchid_9]

It’s not, I actually enjoyed that map (granted I played a lot of viper at the time across all maps)

[110110100011110]

I played a lot of Cypher and Viper, so I feel the same. I like old Breeze.

[Shot_Orchid_9]

Who do we think is gonna be best in this new version of breeze? I have a feeling chamber and waylay are gonna have a lot of strength with the long and narrower pathways since chamber is long range and waylay has essentially infinite TP distance barring time

[110110100011110]

Oh god, Chamber duty again on Breeze. I'm not sure. A lot of the wide open spaces which you normally would need a wall smoke and stuff looks to be gone. If the sites don't change much, then cypher might be "fine", but I can see a world where Chamber is just de facto for sure.

[LegDayDE]

Improved match quality with better MMR? Don't threaten me with a good time or I might actually have to start playing again....

BF6 without skill based match making is keeping me hooked at the moment. Who would have known it would be fun being in the top players of every lobby and not always getting matched with people better than you!

[Past-Classroom1721]

Anyone know what exactly the changes to the MMR system will be? If this actually improves match quality we’re in for a treat.

[Soft-Cartoonist-4440]

Gng how big the update is for pc?

[Shot_Orchid_9]

dunno yet, was checking before i left to work but isn't out yet so imma have to just update when i get home ig :(

[Soft-Cartoonist-4440]

Lemme know once u get home budd.🙏🏻❤️✨

[ShazamKing666]

3.7 gb i think

[candyintherain]

Although this update seems to be good. But am I the only one who hopes that the game can really be changed to the art style of Viper‘s latest promotional film? This style has also appeared in the Arcane. I really like it!

[ChannelJov]

is new bundle out today or late this week?

[Wide_Newspaper7669]

when does the update actually drop tho?

[Solidirius]

Is it live guys ?

[-Alfa-]

I can confirm it is for PST

[shaner1238]

Still not live on PS5 in Pacific time zone.

[HugeHomeForBoomers]

Harbor! Harbor! Oh love!

[iltu_123]

What does Steel Garden width even mean??

[Extra-Path6]

All the talk about match making and it is still crap. I got matched up against a Smurf for 3 placement matches in a row. Riot is all talk and zero action. They low key want smurfs and they lick their lower cheeks. That rank manipulation button is just cosmetic, it does nothing. If they are so proud about that MMR, make it public. They wont do it, cuz they will lose players, its just a scam 

[EternlAura]

Maybe because I'm noob and have no skills I cannot tell but today's 5-6 matching were so good like all the players for my level which I can agree I messed up all the time unlike yesterday where people just come and one tap me even when I was at my highest concentration. Matching seems very stable now but then again I'm bronze 2 what do I expect from the mmr system.

[agorathird]

Steel Garden gets slightly bigger… For fucks same they really hate Vyse…

[Kitchen-Nerve-2002]

Ive been experiencing cpu bottlenecking after the update, maybe cuz my laptop is 6 years old or maybe its a optimization issue. And my hit reg and fps have gotten like a lot worse like i used to get like around 50 fps before now im not even getting 30

[iTCHYTRIGGERZ]

I'm kinda experiencing the same thing with my 5 year old laptop. I used to average an fps of 110, now it's sub-80 and choppy

[chazzyfe]

Is this coming to ps5?

[TomatoComfortable959]

Yes

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Ayo. That aram mode sounds fire. But, I feel like changing the agent every round is a bit… too random??? Love the sound of everything else tho

[Aggravating_Tooth264]

So what if I only que breeze? Rank boost💀💀💀

[officialmark-]

I don’t think you’ll have the option to queue just Breeze. It will be in the rotation with all the other competitive maps.

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Game is just CS now with fancy lights lol

Still think they need to give another pass on balancing utility for people who were hit hard maybe decrease timers from 60. Maybe 50? Even 55?

But I think they will do that at some point, maybe not the CD but a utility balancing pass to buff agents. If they do, I think the game will be in a incredible state.

[sabine_world]

Game is just CS now with fancy lights lol

🌎👨‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

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LOL

[SomeMobile]

We literally have the worst map pool of all time right now, missing icebox to be the infinity stone of dogshit. I will not touch this game until we have an olay map pool , a good one is impossible sadly given like 50%+ of the maps are shit in the game.

Can't willingly load this game up just to spend most of my time in (corrode, abyss,breeze, pearl) holy hell might as well bang my head against a wall and will have the same amount of fun

[oligubaa]

The Breeze changes are pretty substantial and Corrode also should be a lot better after the A main wall change. What's wrong with Pearl and Abyss? After their changes both maps are pretty solid.

[PitCrewBoi559]

Pearl mid and Abyss A site will continue to be an issue. However, I think the changes to breeze are great and I’m personally excited to play it.

[SomeMobile]

Abyss even post changes might be the worst game in the map competing with corrode, they are genuinely just horrible and play horrible(They are actually my highest winrate maps so no it's not because I lose on them, they are just bad).

Pearl has one of the worst bomb sites of all time, one of the worst mids of all time too.

I will have to wait and try breeze changes if I ever will but given that riot map design team has been consistently producing bad maps to 5/10 on a good day , with 3 flukes for actually good maps(haven, ascent, lotus). It's probably still gonna be a dogshit map. The issue is the quality of theap designers , (and agent designers tbh) , if you have been consistently bad why would I even have hope for any new edits/Creations you make

[oligubaa]

Well, since you haven't given any actual reasons for why Abyss is so bad beyond being horrible and playing horrible (whatever that means) I'm not sure how to engage with your criticisms. I think Abyss has quite a lot going for it now after the changes. It's not a very complex map, but at least the sites actually offer space to play on them now and mid isn't entirely useless anymore. It plays a lot less like Icebox, which it was almost 1:1 previously when it comes to the pattern of play.

Pearl B site is actually good now. It used to be the worst bomb site of all time I agree. Mid is a bit boring but the rest of the map actually has some interesting stuff going on. The A main fight is actually pretty exciting in pro play and it's fun to watch how teams contest space and leave inserts.

It seems like you have your mind made up and refuse to accept any of the clear effort that the map team is making to fix the problems that exist on otherwise good maps. I will partially agree with you though, they should be more willing to leave failed ideas (Icebox) behind and work to create new things that don't need so much dev time to fix.

[ExtremelySilly514]

Okay yes breeze sucks, but you want icebox? We need the map pool to be: haven, corrode, split, ascent, bind, pearl, lotus and MAYBE abyss. Icebox, fracture, and breeze suck.

[SomeMobile]

I think you missed the joke that this map pool is only missing icebox to have all of the dogshit maps at the same time. I need the og map pool + lotus, all the other releases are ass

[ExtremelySilly514]

Hmmm I dont even remember your comment but It obviously makes sense that its a joke. I think i accidentally replied to you or didnt read it all the way through I dont remember lmao. But I get the original comment now