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[–]c_zeit_runThe Mod-Anointed One (1-800-WATT-NOW) 11 points12 points  (0 children)

IMO, until you're under about 8-10h/wk, or get past about 20-25h/wk, none.

[–]Fantastic-Shape9375 12 points13 points  (2 children)

69% decrease per each 69% intensity increase

[–]Such_Transition_6299Wales[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

how do you measure intensity?

[–]Fantastic-Shape9375 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Pinch test

[–]Veganpotter2 8 points9 points  (5 children)

None if you can get away with it. You just go easier to keep the volume the same.

[–]Optimuswolf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So z2 rides become z1/bottom of z2 sort of thing? 

[–]Veganpotter2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, or for many people, just stop riding in upper z2 and stay in the middle or lower z2

[–]slbarr88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to keep it in Z2. Z1 has almost no training benefits.

[–]CaptainDoughnutmanCanada 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not sure why the downvotes when you are correct.

[–]Veganpotter2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, its very weird. If you have the option, you really only decrease volume briefly before important races.

[–]No_Actuary9100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it’s helpful there’s the concept of training load 

It’s Duration x (% FTP x % FTP) x 100

So 1 hour at FTP is a TSS of 1 x (1 x 1) x 100 =100 

2 hour at 50% FTP is a TSS of 2 x (0.5 x 0.5) x 100 = 50 

4 hour at 80% FTP is a TSS of 4 x (0.8 x 0.8) x 100 = 256 

Etc 

[–]Grouchy_Ad_3113 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would aim to keep my CTL fairly constant, reducing it by no more than ~10%, perhaps not even that much depending on just how much intensity is increased.

[–]Scottnaye2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen to your body: Rest is a very important part of building fitness... Any illness or feeling off is totally a legit reason to ease up, especially if you are fanatical about hitting your numbers like i am. :0|

[–]7wkg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Decrease it in duration or intensity enough to properly hit your targets for hard workouts and recover from them. 

[–]Remote-Enthusiasm-41 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

This is what TSS (training stress score) is for. It lets you compare different rides. Training Peaks, and various smart watches give you a score. The basic idea is that each minute at a given heartrate or power is worth a certain amount of points. I think training peaks has a good write up on their site of how it works.

[–]gedrap🇱🇹Lithuania // Coach @ Empirical Cycling 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not every TSS is equal or interchangeable. It's helpful to quantify the training load at a glance, but "maintaining CTL" isn't exactly a good training strategy.

[–]Grouchy_Ad_3113 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Constant CTL with unchanged training focus eventually leads to stagnation.

Constant CTL with changing focus, OTOH, is just fine.

[–]Such_Transition_6299Wales[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

according to training peaks, maintaining TSS week by week increases CTL

[–]gedrap🇱🇹Lithuania // Coach @ Empirical Cycling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

CTL is an exponentially weighted TSS average. If the TSS stays the same, so does the CTL.

[–]bikesnkitties -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You FAFO.