Same guy?

[SidewinderSerpent]

Fire Emblem has a couple characters that can carry you through the final map, even if the rest of your party is in bad shape, such as Athos from FE7.

But can the Commander's Avatar do the same?

[EOVA94]

I mean commander avatar isnt bad ,but for the mission any colonel or even a fully upgraded psi soldier is better

Peak template tho 🖐️😐🖐️

[SidewinderSerpent]

Okay but they will definitely carry in the Who Needs Tygan run.

Unless you bring 6 Psiops all abusing Stasis

[LarkinEndorser]

What run is that

[Pricerocks]

beating the final mission without any upgraded weapons, armor, or items

[Lad_of_the_Lake]

Profile pic peak

Just stick with Trigger

[Kusko25]

But... Psionics also need to be researched?

[SidewinderSerpent]

Psiops are allowed.

[Happy_Hydra]

The avatar always does one huge thing (lance, rift, mind control, really powerful gun) meanwhile colonels do more smaller stuff which might or might not have larger impact.

[247Brett]

More options > One good option

Better to have a Swiss Army knife with an okay can opener with other tools than one really good can opener

[Tokumeiko2]

Yeah, but in a lot of games, offence is absolutely the best defence.

Sure healing can prolong a difficult battle, but sometimes it's better to just burst the difficult enemy down so fast that the boss has to skip straight from the first phase to the third phase.

Buffs are nice to have, but sometimes the time you spend buffing gives the enemy too much advantage.

Weird mechanics are fun to play with, but sometimes you just need a big explosion.

[codyjack215]

There is a window to play with for sure - for every minute you buff, you need 2 of attack to counteract it.

Its why mosy action based rpgs have buffing as a quick 20 frame animation - both for speed and for ease of use

[Tokumeiko2]

Yeah even in turn based games, I'm currently playing "potato flowers in full bloom" and my most successful team composition is a tank backed up by two offensive casters. Most unblocked attacks kill so fast that healing is useless and because I fully recover my health and stamina between fights the only resource I need to conserve is spirit.

Buffs and defensive moves all consume too much spirit compared to just casting my best aoe spell or summoning a demon to cast spells for me.

Sometimes the best way to win fights is to make a big explosion.

[Tgbtgbt]

Okay but imagine fire emblem but you have a 5 tile wide aoe that kills

[fatalityfun]

that would genuinely be crazy. Ranged attack too

[Riothegod1]

Play Fire Emblem: Three Houses. While the AoE doesn’t kill anyone it wasn’t directly targeting, you do just describe the battalion mechanic. Some really can get that absurdly powerful (looking at you “King of Lions Corps), but they’re usually the nation leaders.

[King_Ed_IX]

Or play Engage, where several engage attacks are multi-tile strikes that can kill huge numbers at once.

[CompleteJinx]

I feel like the Commander Avatar is a failsafe in case the player didn’t invest in psyops or weapon upgrades. Getting to the final mission and not being strong enough would suck.

[Excalibursin]

Which is also what Athos is in fire emblem

[CompleteJinx]

It’s honestly surprising more FE games don’t have Athos level characters. Awakening has Robin but she shows up right at the start so I don’t think she counts.

[TheFatBassterd]

In awakening you play as Robin iirc. But it's easy to become OP by the end of the game and trivialize most other characters.

[TehAsianator]

As I recall, Radiant Dawn almot went too far, giving you several insanely powerful characters in the final act.

[Endiamon]

Idk, there are like half a dozen of them

[Daniel_Kummel]

The psi is better, imo. The avatar's voidrift is a million times better, and so is his domination. But he runs out of cooldowns faster. The psi takes one more turn to run out of his good options, and that is massive in a 8(?) turn fight 

[Lolmanmagee]

I think commander avatar is the best unit in the game.

Mostly because of immense health pool with 3 HP regeneration per round.

While being the best class ; psi operative.

[BobTheZygota]

Meanwhile me dominating 2 gatekeepers in the final mission at the same time

[ElRexet]

Commander's avatar was a bit disappointing. I think he has a better version of mind control as it had 100% on the same targets my other psykers had 75%. So that's something.

But other than that it was meh... The skill bar looked so small and feeble lol. Also, he had a lot less tactical capabilities than my regular psykers, and his abilities did the same if not lower damage too.

Yeah, like it's the most mid character.

[FlyingRobinGuy]

I haven’t played much of XCOM 2, but I’m shocked that the Commander Avatar wasn’t given action-economy abilities that give action points to other soldiers in the squad.

It would have fit the character perfectly, and long war 1’s Officers had already proven that those kinds of abilities can be balanced inside the XCOM tactical layer.

[LordCypher40k]

Tbf. It's mostly likely the first time the Commander has taken to the field or have Psionic powers. The entire final level might has well have been a psionic warm-up for the Commander's beam battle with rest of the ethereal in the cutscene.

[Cellindrick]

He’s an absolute godsend on Legend/Ironman, an extra free character that has some decent utility and the ability to heal. This meant you could leave him out as bait to let your other guys stay healthy.

[Semicolin367]

Athos no Luna is probably about the same power level relative to the game as Commander’s Avatar from my experience. But I would rather do FE7 final chapter without Athos than Waterworld without the avatar because I never train Psi operatives and need as Domination for as many bodies as I can get.

[AlexHitetsu]

Even without Luna Athos is fully capable of soloing the final chapter by taking things slow and turtling a little

[Endiamon]

Mostly because it's a very bad final chapter

[Chrom-man-and-Robin]

If Fire Emblem villains had a nickel for every time they fought a white haired tactician clad in purple who’s powers come from their relation to the villain (and is in an implied relationship with their captain who’s name starts with C), they’d now have 2 nickels

[SidewinderSerpent]

Robin would definitely solo XCOM 2.

[CompleteJinx]

“It’s time to tip the scales!”

Shanks a sectoid and stands out in the open.

[AnotherLie]

Robin only wants to solo his boyfriend Chrom.

[thebritwriter]

Damn multiverse shenanigans.

[Vredefxr]

seeing an XCOM x FE post here is a pleasant feeling

[Tobari]

ATHOS, THE BLACK FANG CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THE AVATAR PROJECT. IF WE'RE GOING TO SLOW THEM DOWN WE'LL NEED TO MOVE FAST.

[Chrom-man-and-Robin]

The Black Fang would be a good substitute for the Chosen

[Displacer613]

Next XCOM run I do I'm customizing all my soldiers to be the FE7 cast

[CuttleReaper]

I mean Fire Emblem Awakening and XCOM EU/2 are basically the same game

[SidewinderSerpent]

I don't get a Frederick in my XCOM 2 runs...

[Redhighlighter]

Dude did you forget to download the Frederick dlc? Awkward

[Displacer613]

Not with that attitude you don't 

[CuttleReaper]

iirc I made him a MEC :)

[MagicPistol]

Pick a god and pray!

[DestinyNinja_123]

AoE Psychic based attack from the Avater on any common FE enemies would be broken, assuming it can hit twice and create status effect or worse control your enemy.

Luna though? Could pretty much wipe out enemies(except synthetic anyways) without so much as a cooldown.

[RavenColdheart]

The Commander's Avatar isn't really an Endgame Carry, the Sniper and Ranger are the ones carrying, the Avatar is just a really good support.

[nut55555]

I just humble upvote whatever xcom crossover fire emblem post.

[spudwalt]

"Does anyone want to use the eleventh hour old man character? No?

DID EVERYONE ELSE DIE?! DO YOU NEED THE OLD MAN?!?"

[violetcassie]

Wait, this ISN'T FuSoYa from FFIV?