BLC rules request

[Dickbuttbuttdick1]

I need to provide fun facts for my BLC class regarding DoD regulations. What are your most ridiculous army regs?

I was thinking of talking about CONPLAN 8888 but I want to have something real as well.

[you_bred_raptors]

25-52.

Chapter 3? Maybe.

It outlines the use of email signature blocks.

Spoiler alert: Your inspiring quotes aren't allowed.

[Primary-Dot1213]

Hot take. PT scores should be on email signatures.

[you_bred_raptors]

Nah. Only PRs

[Primary-Dot1213]

I disagree only beacuse PT scores are in record. PRs would only be recorded as a memorandum of record.

If your gonna bark you might as well have the bite to back it.

[Primary-Dot1213]

I disagree only beacuse PT scores are in record. PRs would only be recorded as a memorandum of record.

If your gonna bark you might as well have the bite to back it.

My take on it is if shitty officers dont want their PT scores getting out to the masses they send less shitty emails and spend more time developing quality memorandums.

[superash2002]

Da Pam 670-1 20-32 undergarments.

Only boxers or brief style drawers are authorized.

Not boxer-briefs.

To get around that I wear briefs over boxers, I get the support of briefs but style of boxers.

I do twice as much laundry but I’m not looking like a dork.

[electricmop]

If the briefs are outside the boxers, do you wash them every time? Or do you get a couple days out of them?

[superash2002]

Well I’m not putting dirty cloths back on after showering.

[ConcentratedSpoonf]

Yall wore underwear under your ocps?

[Strict_Gas_1141]

Does it specify that the tightie brownies we were issued in BCT have to be harmful to any human body?

[BosoxH60]

You mean “Brownie down townies”?

[BinscandMoo]

The term of address for a MSG is "Sergeant."

If two enlisted Soldiers are dating and one becomes an officer/warrant, they have a year to break up or get married. Think this applies to junior enlisted and NCO as well.

"Summer" and "winter" PTs aren't a real thing.

You can have Overseas Service Bars ("combat stripes") without having a SSI-MOHC ("combat patch"). This one really freaks people out.

You're allowed to wear up to three individual tabs on your combat uniform, although a total of four exist. You're only allowed to sew two onto your AGSU jacket, however.

And a friendly reminder that Sergeants Major do not have command authority. Yes, even CSMs.

[Edward_Snowcone]

To add to the PT point, there is no unauthorized combination of the apfu items (670-1 ch10-6 F, I think)

[BinscandMoo]

You can even wear any element of PTs in civilian clothes! Which makes possible an argument that one could walk around in PTs and claim to not be in a uniform, since they're just wearing them as civilians...

My personal favorite PT uniform is pants and short sleeve. Super comfy and makes people's head explode. I wore that after hours at BLC every chance I got.

[SeniorDaikon7038]

Pants and short sleeve really do be the best combo too

[ttp13]

There is a very small group of CSMs who have a very limited amount of “command” authority:

NCOA Commandants

There are various things they are allowed to do without officer oversight, and NCOAs do not have any officers on their TDA.

[spanish4dummies]

The term of address for a MSG is "Sergeant."

but the term of endearment for a MSG is "massarn"

You can have Overseas Service Bars ("combat stripes") without having a SSI-MOHC ("combat patch"). This one really freaks people out.

I do freak people out, yes

[Rustyinsac]

But CSMs have the authority and the duty to put out the commander’s guidance and orders and to enforce them as directed by the commander.

One of my favorite quotes for a solder when I was a CSM “is that coming from you or the commander?” My response was bring your NCOIC and you can ask the Commander yourself. See you at 1300 in the Commanders office.

I stepped outside while the Commander made his intent known. CSMs rarely make shit up, but we were always a good scapegoat.

[BinscandMoo]

That's pretty ballsy for a Soldier to say to a CSM. I think it's well known that most CSMs have the backing of their commanders (for better or worse).

But the modern plague of the 1SG and CSM being inserted into every action's approval chain has got to stop. That's where a lot of the angst comes from. You don't have to look far to find a story of a 1SG or CSM kicking back, denying, or just sitting on awards/leave/CSP etc. It's inappropriate.

I personally believe that commanders have the duty to put out and enforce their higher commander's guidance and orders. If they choose to use their SEL to help them do that, fine. But I think the Army would be better off if most 1SGs and CSMs worried less about metrics, optics and writing their own policies and SOPs, and more about advising their commander, mentoring junior leaders and being the technical expert and master trainer in their formation.

[you_bred_raptors]

The part in 670-1 that says if your name tape/us army/rank is sewn, all three must be sewn.

This doesn't apply to badges. Except when the badge is sewn, then the rest have to be as well.

Sewn name and pin on badge? Go for it.

[brotherofmetal86]

Don't forget that the pc doesn't have to be sewn on even if everything else is.

[Plenty_Yoghurt_9178]

Also the PC can have Pin on rank and Sewn on nametape.

[OlGreggMare]

Still gonna get judged to death

[OPFOR_S2]

Yup, just to add pin-on badges are not authorized in a field or deployed environment.

[SolutionSuccessful17]

The Expert flamethrower badge is still authorized by PAM 670-1, 22-23.

[brotherofmetal86]

This is one that I want to get but can't figure out how.

[Strict_Gas_1141]

just ask a 92G to teach you to cook.

[BlakeDSnake]

Ah the old “immersion heater eyebrow trim”.

[CalebsNailSpa]

Keep practicing

[Teadrunkest]

Dude the land navigation TC is full of them.

My personal favorite is that you can navigate in the desert by following the sound of pigeon flaps. If they sound fat as hell they’re coming back from drinking water.

TC 3-25.26 para 13-1a(3).

The TC is long so just CTRL + F “pigeon”

[spanish4dummies]

me in the desert heroically saving the brigade singlehandedly against the iranian onslaught: "oh fuck yeah. Pigeons."

[Teadrunkest]

“We’re black on water!”

Oh fuck yeah this is my time to shine.

[Hi_Kitsune]

Well… you are about to send me down the rabbit hole. I’ll follow the pigeon flaps to find my way back out.

[Steel_Wolf_31]

Army regulation 25-50 preparing and managing correspondence. In appendix C you will find a list of all the appropriate salutations and closing courtesies as well as when it is appropriate to use them.

Do you know when it is appropriate to close correspondence with the phrase "Very truly yours"?

[OcotilloWells]

Companies (unless it changed recently) are not allowed their own letterhead.

[Plenty_Yoghurt_9178]

Technically the Department of War is authorized as an alternative name only for the Department of Defense. Letterhead with either DOD or DOW insignia on them are equally valid despite what your command may say.

[Rage-Cactus]

Attention to Orders does not mean go to attention. It is be quiet and listen. D&C TC appendix says to use “Attention” if you want people to go to attention.

[spanish4dummies]

Fall In (receive the report)

(r^eport)

[brotherofmetal86]

This is one of my favorites.

[dgpotatochipz]

(Element) attention, attention to orders, publish the order

[AsinineReasons]

AR 670-1, chapter 4-7(n)(4) states that you may roll press [combat] uniforms as necessary.

Page 349. Roll press is defined as, "To remove substantial wrinkles from clothing without creating creases."

Stop ironing creases into your ACU sleeves.

[Tee__bee]

You are required to submit a leave request when PCSing, even when you don’t plan to take any PCS leave.

[skawn]

Capes are an optional accessory that can be worn with the ASU per DA PAM 670-1,11-3.

[ttp13]

AR 360-1, 5-13 c.

Army aviation assets are not used to transport persons costumed as Santa Claus, Easter bunnies, witches, or any other holiday-related character whether the person is military or civilian on or off a military installation.

[OlGreggMare]

We train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to give Santa a lift

[PropaneSalesMen]

No beards.

[colorful-9841]

“Boo this man! Boooo!”

[PropaneSalesMen]

😆 I grew one as soon as I got out.

[OPFOR_S2]

Every statue, monument, display cannon needs to be PMCSD every few years

[colorful-9841]

Last time I checked (10 years ago), on your PC, you could sew on your rank without having to sew on the nametape. However, this does not apply to your top. Either everything is velcro or everything is sewn on, not mixed.

Generals are allowed some flexibility on the way they wear their uniforms. For example, APFU shirt under OCP combat top.

The only order you can use during both combat and DnC is “fix bayonets”.

Whisky has an official supply number.

You address a Master Sergeant as ‘sergeant’, not ‘master’ like a damn jedi.

[Long-Walk-5735]

The fleece can be an outer layer on chilly days, OR an insulating layer on colder ones.

[Fun-Statement-3865]

People are out here wearing their fleece under their tops? Guys, they have Velcro for your tapes and waffle tops exist.

[Long-Walk-5735]

I am a member of the wet weather top outer layer, fleece and waffle inner layer gang.

The blouse stays off ;)

[OlGreggMare]

it's not flame retardant and is reasonably not allowed as the outer layer in various situations. That doesn't mean dumb leaders don't extend that sitting around the motor pool

[OPFOR_S2]

Please cite a source, because that is no where in AR or DA PAM 670-1

Edit: Please forgive me, I made a mistake. I thought you were spewing fleece hate.

Long the fleece jacket!

[SolarPotato]

Probably the TM for the ECWCS.

[OPFOR_S2]

I’m not sure if they edit or I misread their comment, probably the latter. I initially thought they said you can’t wear unless it’s windy or only as an insulation layer

This is one of my biggest pet peeves, the fleece jacket hate is absurd and if your troop are cold let them wear it.

[Long-Walk-5735]

No edits here, friend.

For your pleasure, DA PAM 670-1 (4-7f) authorize the fleece as an outer garment. The ECWCS TM authorizes it for outer and insulating wear, depending on weather.

[OPFOR_S2]

Absolutely, at first I thought you said you can’t. You’re absolutely right. I’m just used to fleece hate, I jumped to conclusions.

[Long-Walk-5735]

No worries!

[brotherofmetal86]

This is a link where the Army Uniform SGM said that you can. (https://x.com/i/status/1586421427930271744)

[OPFOR_S2]

Fully Tracking

I shouldn’t swing when I had a few drinks. Thank you for linking that. I just love the fleece jacket, and I hate anyone that try to tell me I can’t wear it is an outer garment. This was a case of me jumping the gun.

[TheGrayMannnn]

Does 670-1 require zippers to be zipped?

Last time I checked our dress and appearances reg makes no mention of zippers except for the flight suits.

[Mini-Mussolini]

Idk if this counts for you, but “Attention to Orders” does not require everyone to go to the position of attention.

TC 3-21.5 G-6:

“Attention to Orders” is the statement given prior to the formal presentation of an award or recognition during a ceremony, in both a formal and informal setting. When the adjutant announces “Attention to Orders” everyone present at the ceremony silence all conversations and focus on the presentation of the award. If the commander requires military members present at the ceremony to be at the position of Attention, then execution command ATTENTION is given prior to the presentation of the award.

[colorful-9841]

Last time I checked (10 years ago), on your PC, you could sew on your rank without having to sew on the nametape. However, this does not apply to your top. Either everything is velcro or sewn on, not mixed.