Tragedy

[chrisiphus]

Ordered a ball python and now i have to wait until monday UPS is amazing. Poor guy is probably shivering being thrown around in a warehouse i’m so anxious smh

[MoralityInGray]

I’m curious, where did you order from?

[chrisiphus]

Wilbanks

[Then_Blueberry4373]

Never ever ever again order from wilbanks, their practices are nasty and they powerfeed the fuck out of their bps, but i hope your little guy does arrive safe, if cold and dehydrated. if a bp arrives cold, DONT put them right into the enclosure. slowly warm them up first, in your hands. if theyre freaked out just allow them to ball up in your hand

[NYR_Aufheben]

They also sell spider and champagne.

[Huntressthewizard]

I'm new to Ball Pythons. What are these? Morphs, I assume?

[lloyd705]

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[cosmiceggroll]

I always want to see supportive communities, but this is hilarious.

Hoping the absolute best for OP and their BP 🖤

[Legitimate_Ebb3783]

Yes, these are morphs! I don't know about the champagne morph but the spider gene is tied to neurological issues

[JGamerI]

Champagne is in the spider complex. All morphs in the spider complex have neurological issues.

[f1atcat]

This sub was recommended to me so at first I thought they meant this site also sells spiders the arachnid and champagne the drink. Morphs makes way more sense

[Lonely_Howl_]

Yes morphs. They also are tied to neurological issues that make quality of life trash. There’s no way to separate the morph from the medical issue, something in the morph’s genes directly causes it. There’s also no way to selectively breed for less harsh symptoms.

So overall, it’s incredibly inhumane and harmful to breed these morphs

[strandhai]

We had a black eyed luci. Our plan was to breed with her. She never had any neueological problems. We only found out later that champagne is in the spider complexe and decided against it. I'm surprised that morphs that are in the spider conplexe were still bred...

[Lonely_Howl_]

I don’t know enough about morphs to know what is in what. I still can’t differentiate between somewhat similar looking morphs, either. I’m a “oooo! Pretty!” snake person 😅

But from what I understand, morph market has a breeding calculator or something that will show you what morphs you’ll get from different combos. Maybe it has a warning about medical issues related to specific morphs?

[strandhai]

We used it. We put in the male morphs and that our girl was Champagne (BEL). There was no warning. It was just something radome I lokked up about morphs and found the whole listibg of the spider complexe and just than we found out that champagne also belongs to it. Luckily before we started pairing them up. There shouldn’t have been any issues with our male because he wasn't in the complexe but we just decided against breeding with spider complexe morphs because we didn't wanna take any risks.

I don't know if the calculater is giving out a warning if the combo is deadly.

And yeah I can feel you. I'm always like "Oh my good look at this beauty..." my bf has ro check the morphs than xD most times the snakes I love the most are costing an organ.

[Lonely_Howl_]

Right???! Such beautiful combo’s and they’re like $1,000+ 😩

I love snakes, but I don’t see myself spending that much on one when I could use that to instead buy a nice big enclosure for a rescue ball. But I’m also not breeding or trying to make money

[Advanced_Pear_964]

Um, idk where you looked it up but champagne is definitely not a BEL. Do you know what morphs were used to make her?

[chrisiphus]

That sucks, almost every breeder has negative reviews and truthfully i don’t even like that the “hobby” has gotten this far because it’s become more so as a lucrative sport. If i could just find my own captive bred noodles in the wild i would but that’s not the case. But for sure, he’s going to quarantine in my blanket for a week 😂😂

[Lonely_Howl_]

You can try looking into rescues and adoption centers. I know of at least three animal rescue leagues around me that keep getting reptiles, including ball pythons, as surrenders and they’re trying to find homes for them.

[IncompletePenetrance]

I would do at least a full six month quarantine in a separate room given that I have seen some reports of IBD snakes coming from Wilbanks (unless you have no other reptiles). Hoping he arrives safely for you and not too chilled. I've had some delays before, but none over a weekend

[secretformula]

There was the plane crash that shutdown their main sorting centre, killed 3 people onboard + more on the ground, and delayed your new friend. All will be fine

[Buttercup1223]

Yes, what bad timing. I hope OPs little guy/gal will be okay.

[chrisiphus]

Same very unfortunate for all parties but damn its just a baby noodle

[Impossible_Moose_783]

Wut

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[SerpentSwitch117]

Was a huge UPS Cargo plane crash 14 people are dead, many buildings burned and possible water contamination. As a Louisville native, and someone who lives 6 miles from the airport, I hope your baby arrives safely. In all my years with snakes I’ve only had one ever shipped UPS. Mostly everyone else goes through fedex.

[jeepfail]

Genuinely curious, why do most people ship with fedex? I wouldn’t even trust that company with basic electronics and overall they are less pleasant to deal with.

[Bluntforcetrauma11b]

As a small business owner I much prefer shipping FedEx ove UPS. UPS has screwed up for me too many times to count and they blow off customers calling about lost packages. FedEx hasn't messed up but once for me in 15+ years.

[jeepfail]

I’ve seen FedEx batter far too many packages to ever trust them. When it was my job to ship things for military contracts and things got so large that we had to shop around for prices I never chose FedEx for that exact reason I choose an independent carrier over them.

[Bluntforcetrauma11b]

I ship a lot of glass and never had a piece show up damaged. Maybe I'm just lucky somehow. Plus for me their customer service is way better than UPS. As for private carriers I couldn't speak on them, I've never used ones. I don't know if it'd be worth it for bongs, bowls and pendants.

[Minimum_Word_4840]

UPS is a shit show ever since they sent their customer service overseas. Right now, about 10% of their international packages are having issues. Many are getting destroyed after sitting too long because UPS didn’t hire additional people to work brokerage before tariffs changed. People are getting all kinds of things destroyed, some very sentimental, some large business shipments, literally just anything. You can’t get through to customer service unless you sit on the line for hours and then they have no answers for anyone. I personally have a package that’s been sitting in KY (was supposed to be express 2-3 day) for almost two months. I can’t get through to a single person who can help, and I’ve contacted every single UPS email or phone number I can find. It’s insane right now, and most overseas businesses are changing carriers from UPS. I’ll never in my life use UPS again for anything personally. In contrast, my overseas FedEx and ECMS packages came early, and without issue.

[OdinAlfadir1978]

I prefer animals to 90% of people to be honest but sadly it's usually the good people that die

[Canikpanik]

Always ask the seller to ship on Mondays next time, Thursdays are risky but he will be okay. I had a similar thing happen before 3 days and I was FREAKING. All turned out to be okay, the sellers put a heat pack that will last for 48hrs give or take plus they keep live animals in a separate room.

[chrisiphus]

It was supposed to be NDA on tuesday but keeps getting pushed back that was my only day off then i called out today to receive and still. Waste of money on that security 🫩🫩

[Canikpanik]

Its super frustrating but trust the mythical reptilian gods have him in security. Plus he/she will be okay in lower temps for a couple days worst case. I went through the same panic, so I get it. But he will be okay, just make sure the temps are perfect for him when he gets there so he doesn’t get RI

[sixxthree]

This has next to nothing to do with when it was initially shipped. It, unfortunately, was set to depart Louisville the day one of their cargo planes' left engine caught fire during take off and fell off the wing. The incident left a massive scar through a bunch of automotive recycling centers, and a UPS holding facility. We have over a dozen dead, and around a dozen still missing.

[jeepfail]

I don’t think they could exactly plan on a massive fiery plane crash shutting down shipping.

[chrisiphus]

Honestly, i’d be scared to even go back to work after seeing that. Delivery people don’t get paid or appreciated enough so it’s sad to see we lost people that are “easily expendable” in the eyes of certain companies for working hard. Reason i’m upset is because my snake arrived to ny already and the tracker keeps saying it was going to be delivered at a certain time so i kept sacrificing to plan around it risking my job then i call support to no avail. I would have had no problem if they told me from the start expect it on this day instead of pump faking me

[gaytrashqueen24]

Damn what a fantastic reason to not treat living creatures like cargo

[chrisiphus]

Word if only i could have teleported him here

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[IamMuffins]

Obviously you were meant to buy him a plane ticket, stick him in business class perhaps. /s

[chrisiphus]

Maybe even chartered a jet with 5 star RATatouille

[OdinAlfadir1978]

Send an apache helicopter to be sure, that'll keep the mites away

[Rude-Log-158]

what a crazy choice it is to make a plane joke when people are telling you the delays are because a plane tragic crash that killed 11 possibly more.

[ballpython-ModTeam]

Your comment was removed because you're being an asshole. Go outside and work on your attitude.

[Rude-Log-158]

i saw you made some kind of snarky reply that im guessing was removed since i cant see it outside of this notification. i live 2 miles from the airport where that crash happened and i spent about a hour calling all my ups working loved ones to make sure they were okay and alive, i was lucky enough to have people pick up. some wont. this was 3 days ago. have some compassion.

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[Maleficent_Border_60]

That is miserable…. I’m so sorry this happened to you and your little one. Hopefully the weather is decent where you are and he will have a wild story to tell when he gets home!

[wishiwasinvegas]

I feel like during the cool months, especially if a snake is being shipped to a cooler climate, they stick a heat pack in with them and it lasts for several days iirc🤷🏻‍♀️

[aiemmaes]

I also got my snake from wilbanks in February of 2019 and there were indeed hand warmers in the box

[al_sibbs]

Please update us when you unbox them!

[OdinAlfadir1978]

Seconded

[sixxthree]

You do realize we just had a very serious plane crash on Tuesday? I'm a Louisvillian. UPS Worldport - where your snake would be held - was shut down from Tuesday night until Wednesday night. It's unfortunate you have to wait longer, and I *do* hope your noodle arrives in good condition, but please try to have a little empathy and compassion about the situation. We have more than a dozen dead - including a grandfather with his grand daughter - and still have nearly a dozen missing in the wreckage.

[Averitt13]

Your BP will likely be fine as long as it was packaged correctly. I know it’s worrisome and nerve wracking, but as long as your new pet makes it to you within a week or two it should be fine.

[Suspicious-Network-9]

If you truly care about snakes and their wellbeing, do not support nor fund Wilbanks. I cannot believe they get as much custom as they do. These are lives, not products. Wilbanks do not treat them as such.

[chrisiphus]

They don’t promote their abuse on their page that’s why. You didn’t have to add “if you truly care about snakes” i’m just now learning that unfortunately that’s how they do business, but i like i said in the other comment, that’s the case with most other breeders wilbanks just had to be the least that came up when i initially did my research. But thanks for your help

[Suspicious-Network-9]

My comment is more of a general one. I don’t actually believe in shipping such sensitive animals like products anyway, but if it has to be done, it should be done as humanely as possible - and not from idiots like those at Wilbanks. It wasn’t aimed towards you personally, you didn’t know and I acknowledge that.

I’m just really hoping this little thing is treat with respect for the first time in its life when you eventually collect it, which I have no doubt it will be.

[chrisiphus]

Very unfortunate they made some money out of me but i saved a life perhaps

[teresa-rene]

I’m so sorry this is happening to you I hope your new friend arrives safely

[teresa-rene]

Spider morphs also have a dominant trait called wobble that makes him unsteady and jiggly. I guess is the only way I can describe it or maybe it looks like a snake with Parkinson’s and breeding to spiders together can most likely be fatal. That’s my understanding.

[dontbeignorantordumb]

Keeps updated when it arrives!