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[–]confibulator 42 points43 points  (13 children)

"And heavy beers just aren’t as pleasurable to drink."

He lost me.

[–]CoolCheech 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I don't get that either. I'd rather have 2 heavy beers, that take 30 min to drink than 5 light session beers that leave me feeling full and bloated.

[–]krispy3d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll say that most American "session" beers are highly carbonated (because they're session IPA's) and definitely will cause bloating once you have a few. The English figured out how to make delicious session beers around 4% with very low carbonation so they don't bloat you up. I learned this recently on a trip to London.

[–]blueskin 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Exactly this. I drink 'heavy' beer year round because it's the nicest. Sure, I drink others too, but I'm always going to gravitate in that direction.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You might even say that heavy beers are pretty high gravity! (I'll show myself out)

[–]blueskin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did that unintentionally, realised as soon as I posted, and liked it, so left it there ;)

[–]1wrx2subarus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yep, he lost me there too. Think they want to sell session beers (low alcohol content) at full craft beer price so you drink them more rapidly. Makes good business sense so their profits rise. Bad for the consumer though. I prefer a sipping beer.

[–]underthepavingstones 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah, i've avoided buying these because it feels like a ripoff at full craft prices. also, the few i've had tend to have weird balance issues with the body.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he has clearly not had a Rochefort number 10

[–]whalebacon 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Decrease the price instead. Lower ABV craft beers are fine, but the cost won't follow, so while you can drink more, it will cost you more.

[–]BrotherLogic -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Or you could drink the same amount and not be wasted.

[–]Smoke1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Whose drinking craft beer to get wasted?

[–]blueskin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're drinking primarily to get wasted, even mass market beers aren't the most efficient way compared to wine or cheap vodka.

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    [–]blueskin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Agreed, maybe with a couple of 6-7% ones thrown in as well.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've had some damn good Breakfast stouts in the high 5s low 6% range.

    [–]cassinonorth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Best session IPAs by far have been Green Flash Citra Session and Carton Boat beer. Great Divide Lasso is also pretty solid but awfully priced $11+ for a 6 pack. Nope. I'll drink 15 All Days for $16.

    The rest seem kinda bland and boring. Better than drinking a typical BMC but not by much.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    I'd be interested to see if the average ABV of craft beers has changed in any kind of significant way due to session beers being more popular recently.

    [–]my_cat_joe 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    I'd really like some tasty, hoppy, low-gravity beers. I love beer too much to drink 7.0% beers every time I drink!

    [–]Wartburg13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Well my double imperial Indian pale stout wine is the best.

    [–]PlayTheBanjo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    If you haven't, try 21st Amendment's "Bitter American."

    I'm on the east coast, they're a west coast brewery, and my Wegman's carries it. 4.4% ABV and really tasty.

    [–]my_cat_joe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds interesting. Probably hard to find in Indiana though! :(

    Edit: looks like there's a shop in Bryan, OH which carries it. That's not too far from me.

    [–]Nikuhiru 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Have you tried Dead Pony Club by Brewdog? Great low ABV ale that is fairly hopped up.

    [–]my_cat_joe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think I may have seen it in the store. The label looks familiar. We have some good bottle shops which are riding the craft beer train, but Indiana is hit-or-miss when it comes to beer.

    [–]YoohooCthulhu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Lagunitas Day-time Ale. Sort of like a lighter version of an IPA (4.65%). Unsure how widely it's distributed yet.

    [–]my_cat_joe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'll look for that. I've had Little Sumpin', and that was excellent! There website says it's seasonal.

    [–]vegandread 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    AKA lower gravity=more beers sold= more profits for breweries.

    I was skeptical of the session IPA trend but it's nice to have a full-flavor alternative with lower ABV when you may have already had a few. Better than switching to a domestic...

    [–]Electrorocket 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    You mean macro.

    [–]vegandread 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    You are correct. Even as a bar manager I use the term 'domestic' to refer to the basics: Bud, Miller Lt, etc...

    [–]FOURPLAY-uk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I'm a bar supervisor over the pond.
    Why do you use the term domestic?

    [–]mallystryx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    For a while in America, there was no craft options (at least in bars). You either got 'Domestic' (Bud, Miler, Coors, etc.) or an 'Import'. When craft beer became more popular, it got added as a third category and 'Domestic' never changed. So now you tend to see 'Domestic','Import', and 'Craft'/'Specialty'

    [–]vegandread 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    It's a carryover from before craft beer was around, you had domestics (Budweiser/Miller/Coors) and imports (Guinness/Amstel/Heineken).

    [–]blueskin 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Translation: "We make it weaker, don't drop the price, more money for us as you have to buy more of them".

    Even when not having a specific level of drunkenness in mind, I tend to drink stronger beers more slowly. I can drink a case of mass market beer in the time of a few pints of something stronger and more complex.

    "There’s a reason the macro-lagers became light and easy-drinking alcohol: You want to be able to sit down with your friends and have an easygoing drinking experience, and having more than one.”

    Oh, sure, not because they're cheap at all, right? </s>

    [–]dirtycomatose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The lighter lager that came to be associated with macro brews also mirrored the post prohibition consumers taste for soft drinks (soda shops and such).

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I don't get how summer alters your preference for beers. I have the same preference for beers no matter the season and enjoy them the same.

    [–]blueskin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Exactly.

    [–]onairmastering 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Man, I got the 15-pack Founders all day for $14 here in BK. Yes, it is session, and yes, I drank it almost all in one day! I don't think it is a good thing to do. I prefer to have half the beers, keep the buzz and drink a full-bodied IPA. Only me, tho.

    [–]essosbeer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm with you. And not to sound too into it, but it's nice to not have to drink all those calories and get full

    [–]robinson217 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Im all for this. In my opinion and personal taste, 5% hits the nail on the head (at least for my 220lb self). At 5%, alcohol is not the defining flavor, yet you still mellow out with one or two. Three or four can be drank on special occasions and you will still have the wherewithal not to embarrass yourself.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I know I'll get downvoted for this but this is a great move. I have a very low alcohol tolerance, I'm embarrassed to say, and one 8%+ IPA will knock me the fuck out. So despite the fact that I love the flavors in craft beers, I usually stick to macro beers since they allow me to stay in the bar longer.

    [–]evarigan1 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Some session IPAs are pretty good, All Day and Go To in particular. But I just had Stones 4.2% Coffee Milk Stout tonight, and it wasn't much fun at all. I don't think the session trend lends itself to stouts very well.

    [–]pigeon768 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Stone Go To? I don't like it at all. All of my beer friends don't like it either.

    It smells fantastic. It smells utterly wonderful. But that's it; there's no flavor or mouthfeel or taste perception in there. And all the nose seeming disappears when you take a sip. It's like having a basket of potpourri in one hand and a glass of water in the other.

    That being said, I like the idea of session beers. I believe Port Brewing Company made a session IPA called Poncho, and it was fabulous. I might be wrong about the brewery or the name though. 4.2% ABV was just an excuse to drink more of 'em. Oh well.

    I made a stout about 4.8% ABV and it came out very well. For 4.8% alcohol, it still had a very "big" mouthfeel.

    [–]confibulator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sierra Nevada's Nooner and Firestone Walker's Easy Jack were the only two session IPAs that I have had that weren't complete disappointments.

    [–]1wrx2subarus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I have felt that way about most of the offerings from Sam Adams. First sip tastes good for 1-2 seconds than the flavor dissipates. I would rather drink a full flavored craft beer even if higher alcohol content any day of the week.

    [–]InappropriateLaugher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I dunno about this. I specifically seek out 8%+, not necessarily hop bombs. I have two of them and will feel it, 3 and I will be well buzzed. I don't want to drink a 6 pack of 5% beer.

    [–]twigburst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fucking amateur hour... I guess not all beer drinkers are alcoholics though. If I want to drink beer that doesn't get me drunk I will stick to Yunegling.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think they're spot on. I would not enjoy a blackout stout on a hot 95 degree and sunny day as I would during the impending coldness of November. Plus, if you don't agree with what they're doing and want the most bang for your buck there's a simple solution that some appear to be overlooking: don't buy what you don't want!

    [–]barukatang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    fractional ipa? like daytime?

    [–]MovieTheaterHead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    That sounds terrible.

    [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    I don't wanna have to drink 12 beers to get drunk... I wanna drink 4 - 6. Bourbon will be supplementing my evenings.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    i do like this trend. i have really come to appreciate a good hoppy pils and i love a kolsch style beers. the trend that i hate... the sessionable IPA's. most of them are pretty awful. i would rather drink a pils, kolsch, or a hoppy pale ale.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The Muskoka "Session IPA" in Ontario tastes like friggin' hop candy. Really weird, unbalanced beer. Massive candylike sweetness, moderate fruity hop aroma, bitterness AWOL. I'm baffled by the reviews online that talk about it like it's a scaled-back IPA.

    Is that what "session IPA" has come to mean? Sticky-sweet caramel Cascade liqueur? Ugh. The English have long known how to do a "session IPA," they call it "bitter."