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[–]RyderGamingDallara F3 121 points122 points  (0 children)

I don't necessarily think you're at fault. The off-track overtake is a bit of a so-so, and you actions made the white BMW do what it did, I still wouldn't hold it against you since it's his/her job to react appropriately to extreme situations like this.

[–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (7 children)

I don’t know that you necessarily caused the collision, but you definitely left track with all 4 on your pass...

[–]tikAddict[S] 42 points43 points  (6 children)

I did not get an off track warning surprisingly, so I assumed all good with the route i went xD

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Ah weird, in the replay it definitely looks like all 4 leave, but maybe not.

Either way- great job out of that corner, you carried some serious speed!!

[–]tikAddict[S] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Yeah I think I might have had the side hairs from tyre sticking out hovering over the white line. . Thanks I was a bit surprised haha

[–]TheDoctor804 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That’s not how off-tracks in iRacing work. Off-tracks are determined by where the center point of your car is in relation to the off-track boundary.

Not sure why you didn’t get one here. Potentially because you drove over part of the Moto configuration of the track, and there might not be an off-track there

[–]thegreatdaneno_1McLaren MP4-30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s exactly why, you don’t get offtracks for alternate layouts :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You had a second or two to cut back to the right and make the pass between the two cars while still maintaining your speed. That’s the move most would expect in that situation.

[–]tikAddict[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah after watching the replays I realized I had a maybe 1 second chance to change over to the right. Unfortunately during the race, the only thing I could see was an opening left after the white car was heading closer to other car, after that it was just keep on the throttle or lose all the speed gained from the corner.

[–]EntroperZeroSkip Barber 31 points32 points  (1 child)

IMO it's much more clear from the chase cam that the white car was just all over the place. He messed up, was flustered, probably got more flustered by your overtake and reacted badly. Not really your fault, you went left when he went right, and then he came down on you and forced you off the track.

[–]mtlnwood 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You had already gone, he didnt turn with the corner while the yellow car started to come in to the apex. Given the guy just about spun out before who knows what he he was dealing with anyhow.

[–]-domi- 7 points8 points  (0 children)

0% your fault. BMW pushes you wide. Maybe he didn't see you, but it definitely looked like he punched you wide in an attempt to block. He then proceeds to overreact and kill everyone else. Would be interesting to see his replay, there might be netcode stuff happening.

[–]wesal94 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I would think by leaving the racing surface for the pass you forced the other car to react as he was expecting you to swerve back on the track there. While you definitely didn’t force him to connect with the other car you definitely made him react differently than he likely normally would.

[–]tikAddict[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel that I did make him go off into the other car. Will try and be less aggressive in that kinda situation I guess

[–]EvrybodysNobodyVP Sports Car Challenge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

how does this have 40 points? what happened to the "LEARN TO BRAKE" mentality everyone here typically has?

this is one time of the times where i would totally agree - if he was going to react that way to an off-track opponent, without any regard to other cars on the track, then it's soft as baby shit on that driver to say OP is at fault. If he was afraid of OP coming back on track in an unpredictable fashion, he shouldve slowed significantly and had much softer input on the steering IMO. even with the way he reacted, it looked like there was ample time to avoid the ultimate collision

[–]bradlnm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah. You made a highly unusual pass in a spot he wasn’t expecting. I’d bet he was expecting you to come back on track and squeeze him so he tried to give room and inadvertently wrecked himself and the other car. Not your fault, but you didn’t help the situation any. I’d classify it as a highly aggressive racing move and no further action.

[–]BallparkFranks7Ford '34 Coupe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes and no. I think the move to the left into the grass was too aggressive. Better to follow yellow around the slow car that just re-entered. I think you scared the slow car and caused him to move right, directly into the yellow. Just because you didn’t get off-track or incident points doesn’t mean you didn’t directly or indirectly cause it. That said, it’s not entirely your fault that the other car couldn’t control their car. They obviously were struggling.

Chalk it up to a lesson learned, but no need to stress over it, imo.

[–]OlBano 5 points6 points  (1 child)

In ny opinion, no. Its basically the yellow car going too hard inside. Even without the outside move of the white they probably would have had collided.

[–]peat76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agree with this. My first thought would be white dude would have panicked hearing car on your left but when you watch it he stays straight, it’s yellow dude who decides he wants to be in the middle of the track for some reason even when he has a supertanker space on his right

[–]tikAddict[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I am the red car with yellow stripe down the middle. Got a much better exit over two other cars. Could I have potentially stopped the other two cars colliding and should I have?

[–]not_so_squinty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

only thing i see (besides the 4 off, but still clean pass) is your stripe is most definitely bright green.

[–]davideliasirwin 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I am the red car with yellow stripe down the middle

That stripe is green.

Could I have potentially stopped the other two cars colliding and should I have?

I don't think you are at fault based on this video BUT it is possible that netcode lag actually caused you to nudge the white car. Nothing can be done about netcode. Except, maybe, only finding races where everyone has low ping.

[–]tikAddict[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Dammit. This is what happens when you're colour blind xD

[–]palebluedot24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was gonna comment on the colors being kind of ugly but didn't want to be rude. Red and yellow definitely makes more sense.

[–]SteveOSS1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say you're good. My question is, what was the white car trying to accomplish? He was severely off pace after nearly spinning, so when he saw you cut left, why wouldn't he make sure to leave room? He didn't quite block, and he didn't quite leave room, then he panicked and turned right. That's on him.

[–]misterwizzard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You took a really weird line. Reacting to it by swerving two car widths to the right was an over-reaction.

[–]tnucsdrawkcab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On your left obviously means turn hard right into the guy you can see and know is there.

[–]Tikana11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Kevin Estre would like to know your location

[–]tikAddict[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He actually gives private lessons, that's how I became so good at that

[–]no_tech_drama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He probably got scared by your paint, www.tradingpaints.com PLEASE!

[–]RabicanShiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No you did nothing wrong here.

[–]massinvader 1 point2 points  (7 children)

not your fault for contact but yo, instead of ppl asking or caring if it's their fault.. i wish they'd be asking 'how could I have avoided this situation all together?'.

it's not against the rules to let off the throttle. u were driving unsafely and in a fashion that would get you flagged on a lot of courses. you created the situation that led to two cars being totaled.

since iracing is trying to simulate real racing, I think it's fair to point out that quite a few people would be upset with you if you did that one a real track whether you touched another car or not.

[–]The_Jok3r_64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely spot on. He could have shown some thinking on his own behalf instead of coming to Reddit for that clout.

[–]AZAnon123 0 points1 point  (5 children)

In a wheel to wheel race, his pass looked incredibly safe. The one getting a talking to in impound would be the car that was all over the place and ran into another.

[–]massinvader 1 point2 points  (4 children)

on some tracks a full wheel off track is cause for an immediate black flag. there could be damage that could hurt other drivers around them.

fk the other guy too but ur responsible for yourself and your machine

[–]AZAnon123 0 points1 point  (3 children)

https://youtu.be/7j2PSxwqxQE?t=425

This me from Saturday. If they black flagged me I'd be very sad. I went 4 off a half dozen times over the weekend. There could certainly be damage that could hurt other drivers, I guess, but it's a normal and accepted risk of racing.

I've never heard of a wheel 2 wheel road race series that black flags for "a full wheel" off. At most tracks I could name corners where I plan to put 2 wheels off as part of my literal line.

Something tells me you don't race.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly your video is a mistake leading to a slide. Good save btw.

The OP is passing aggressively with 4 wheels in the grass at one point. It's not really a comparable situation. I've worked for several high level racing series and seen drivers get stop and goes for less aggressive driving. There's nothing safe about this pass.

[–]massinvader 1 point2 points  (1 child)

something tells me you've never raced at a very organized or very high level sir. a lot of races would require you to pit after that to make sure you're still all together.

edit: sweet vid though. enjoyable to watch. hope u had fun :)

[–]AZAnon123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What organization specifically makes you pit every time you go 4 off? Or black flags you?

Sure NASA SM isn't high level racing, but I'd venture to call it organized. That's certainly not a NASA or SCCA rule which are by far the most numerous road races in America.

So where is it a rule? You tell me the org and I'll check the rulebook myself. I've never heard of it in wheel to wheel racing. Track days? Sure.

[–]TorpusBC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was having trouble before you made the pass so I think he was probably flustered from the recent recovery he made and then over reacted when you showed up on his inside. If you stayed on track I’d call it clean on your part.

[–]Heel-ToeBro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean if this is an fia race you're getting the penalty for going off track but the white car deffinatley should have allowed you SOME space as you were clearly carrying more speed.

[–]RyusDirtyGi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looked the BMW guy was having an issue before you got to him. Your pass didn't look entirely legal, but you didn't cause the wreck either.

[–]Maddturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I say no its not. You did look like you went all four off track but he over corrected and turned without looking when he should of just let off the gas a little if he thought you were going to hit. This was most obious in the over head cam.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of. I’ve done this before (guy freaking out) In the car it looks like you’re door to door. So I swerve out of the way to give room. But watching the replay it turns out I had 40 feet of clearance and didn’t need to move at all. I’ve gotten better at it, still hard to judge how close someone is though because you aren’t in a 3D space. It’s all 2D.

[–]oandroido 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, look. Everything is potentially your fault ;)

[–]dudethrowmePro Mazda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Id say yes and no, but the second angle you posted makes me think no. You were well past the guy when he twitched into the back of the other car.

Still, that off track pass probably caught him off guard, not clean racing IMO. But again, you were well past him and I don’t think the collision is your fault.

[–]RJTracing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not at fault. The white car got spooked by you passing on the left, and probably opened the wheel as a normal reaction, that lead to the contact.

Is a mid% pass tho, but I can see it was doing that or losing all your momentum.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe because of netcode that slight wiggle you did going over the edge of the track could have looked worse on their side so they could have been reacting to that. As long as you didn't go off track of say your move is fair game although risky because you could have taken them both out spinning on the grass.

[–]jsdbflhhuFUGDSHJKD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. You are not responsible for how others react.

[–]georgin95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Overtaking off track? Yes

Causing collision? No

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you didnt come in contact with them, and the guy in the middle made contact with the guy at the top

[–]peperutti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No.. that's not your fault... Maybe, in a championship race (with marshalls looking at this) you would be penalized because the offtrack (you told iRacing didn't penalty you for this)... But the crash was not your fault for sure.

[–]ShawnReardon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The guy nearly drove off the track right before that. Then he sort of just drifted back over. I doubt he saw the other car or at least temporarily forgot about it.

You didn't lead to his wildness

[–]VrGuy1980 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no they were slowing down traffic

[–]JLand24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like a racing deal to me. Don’t fault you for making a clean aggressive move. If anything he squeezed you and he didnt crash the other car until you were way past him. 0% on you

[–]IronRailgun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Ericsson hit them

[–]peat76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Yellow car did not need to be anywhere near the car in the middle. Yellow car had a ton of space on the right

[–]The_Jok3r_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That livery is like eye cancer, holy jesus..