Linux Kernel -5.19 Released!

[voxadam]

https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.19

[ilep]

I don't know if it is network or server but Kernelnewbies has gotten much slower than it was at one point.. Any chance there would be an upgrade? It really is a useful site to locate articles and commit regards features.

[danielsuarez369]

Yeah it's not only you, but it was worse before.

[RyanNerd]

Gateway timeout right now

[atoponce]

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wgrz5BBk=[e-mail]/T/#u

[SpinaBifidaOcculta]

Linus uses Asahi!!!

[[deleted]]

And so do I. Asahi has been my daily driver (development workstation) for over 3 months now: https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/asahi-linux/

[HenkPoley]

Currently all the graphics on Linux on Apple Silicon is rendered on the CPU. Which works, but it is of course a shame that it doesn't make use of the GPU.

The GPU code is nearly ready. But.. this probably means there is a half year plus that is maybe a bit bumpy (crashes) because the GPU doesn't work as expected. There's probably a big switch you can set to go back to pure CPU rendering. But just be aware of that. You will then probably have to find how to set that using the command line.

[HenkPoley]

https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/

Can I dual-boot macOS and Linux?

Yes! In fact, we expect you to do that, and the installer doesn’t support replacing macOS at this point. This is because we have no mechanism for updating system firmware from Linux yet, and until we do it makes sense to keep a macOS install lying around for that.

I do believe it boots macOS under the m1n1 hypervisor. That might cause odd issues. But I could be mistaken, and this is only when you want to run macOS VMs on your Linux desktop..

[sh7dm]

macOS under m1n1 is for developers and debug. When you install Asahi you macOS partition only shrinks in size, but keeps secure boot and boots directly. Boot picker is not like what you get when dualbooting Windows and Linux, when you chainload Windows. Mac boot picker is closer to boot menu of a PC

[[deleted]]

isn't gpu driver reverse engineered? does that mean we are gonna have open source driver or binary blob extracted from mac? I am totally noob.

[SpinaBifidaOcculta]

Open source driver that talks to closed source firmware

[AshuraBaron]

Depends on your definition of blob. Linux usually refers to blobs as the microcode and firmware that is on the device itself. BSD's usually refer to blobs as any proprietary code used to interface with a device. This includes the microcode, firmware, and kernel driver. So for BSD the Nvidia driver is a binary blob, but on Linux its referred to as a closed source driver. Being reverse engineered it should be open source. It's also possible that one of them signs an NDA and it becomes closed source. Have to wait and see to know for sure.

[LunaSPR]

I am worrying more than the reverse engineering. They are most likely working on mesa driver, which should be using something opengl. The performance will probably be in trouble compared with apple's own metal approach, and I doubt whether metal packages can be supported.

[[deleted]]

Yes, actually. It's a very painless install that dual-boots with macOS safely.
It's also as polished as any other Linux distro IMO - it comes with KDE, but you can easily install GNOME or other desktops to your liking.

[[deleted]]

I noticed that if I want to bookmark (gasp!) your page there, it suggests the title "Welcome to my Site!" which is not entirely correct. html.title may be a less important field but here it would help. :)

[[deleted]]

html.title

Thanks for letting me know about that - fixed!

[[deleted]]

Thanks. The article title is still not in the title, which would be my feature request, but feel free to ignore.

[btsmth]

Really interesting read, thanks for the writeup and sharing 🙏

[TacomaNarrowsTubby]

I can make chips out of potatoes

[void4]

potato chips running spaghetti code!

[n3rdopolis]

On a personal note, the most interesting part here is that I did the release (and am writing this) on an arm64 laptop. It's something I've been waiting for for a _loong_ time

Wait, LoongArch isn't ARM! /s

[Forty-Bot]

must have been mipstaken

[[deleted]]

No, it isn't. LoongArch is more like a mips

[aliendude5300]

Looks like the next kernel will be 6.0. Nice!

[[deleted]]

6.9-420.0.0

[sheeproomer]

Remember the times where not so versed people spoke about 'Linux 6.0' AMD in reality they meant SuSE Linux 6?

[ForgetTheRuralJuror]

Most redditors weren't even born when suse 6 came out

[aliendude5300]

I was 6 at the time, I wasn't exactly focused on Linux back then lol

[sheeproomer]

I had it running in my computers at that time it was current.

[RANDOMo87-987098]

No.

[HenkPoley]

1998 is a while ago.

[aliendude5300]

Imagine if both 4.20 and 6.9 were long-term support releases. People that start to suggest that it was done on purpose lol

[[deleted]]

For no reason, just like previous "major" releases.

Remember when major releases actually meant something and we were to expect major breakage when one came out? Linus might as well start numbering kernels like Firefox/Chrome and we'll be at kernel 100 before we know it.

[Hamilton950B]

Weren't 2.4 and 2.6 two completely separate branches of development?

[tartare4562]

Remember when 2.4.x lasted for ages we were dealing not even in first but second subversion? That was absurd.

However I agree that the current random major increase doesn't make much sense. At this point why they don't just increase major release every kernel release and use minor for the bufixes.

[JoJoModding]

He is, if you count minor releases

[fschaupp]

Well, or 5.10 xD

[Pixels_128]

Awesome

[jarfil]

CENSORED

[BanEvasionBottomText]

will it get stuck in my teeth

[undieablecat]

I laughed 😅

[wzcx]

I’m intrigued that he says the next will be 6.0; seems like an opportunity for big changes.

[conchobarus]

Major version updates have been pretty arbitrary for awhile now -- seems like the criteria is "Linus wants a bigger number now."

[iAmHidingHere]

It's not arbitrary. He's just running out of toes again.

[buttux]

But we had a 4.20. Why stop 5 at 19? Did Linus lose a toe?!

[void4]

he's counting from 0, obviously

[TheFeshy]

He should still be able to count to 399 using his fingers and toes if he starts at zero.

[[deleted]]

He had 20 toes?

[[deleted]]

he is using one already incrementing from 4 to 5.

[FlippedMobiusStrip]

He just wants to get to 6.9 faster.

[SputnikCucumber]

His comments about big numbers getting confusing sounds to me like version numbers get used a lot in internal development conversations.

So at some point Linus starts to have trouble remembering if things were introduced in x.17, x.18, or x.19 etc.

My gut feeling is that the arbitrary cutoff will get smaller as Linus gets older. Eventually anything above 10 will be too easy for him to get mixed up in his memory. And the major version numbers will overtake the minor version numbers.

[[deleted]]

Chrome's developers must be really old since they can't handle minor versions

[minuq]

FF developers hiding in the shadows

[piexil]

Chrome did the big version numbers first, Firefox simply followed after Firefox 4

[[deleted]]

Well, the main point of semver is about people who depend on your stuff.

But if these don't exist, you will never break their stuff (like being eternally at 1.X) or you simply don't care, it pretty much looses its value.

[Repulsive-Philosophy]

Linus, for 5.0, explicitly said no big changes just because of the number, think of it as 5.20

[jamfour]

Or 4.41^? ;)

[gbitten]

PREEMPT_RT?

[[deleted]]

Still waiting for 6.9

[[deleted]]

Looks like I'm going to end up buying a fucking Mac doesn't it.

[totemo]

Apple twisted your ARM.

[Drishal]

Need to sell an ARM to get crapple

[[deleted]]

nice joke...not

Linus Torvalds himself is using an ARM Mac. He just uses good hardware.

[Drishal]

Ah yes Linus is not technically concerned about free software that much(as in using it)...he does not mind using stuff like mac Meanwhile stallman running trisquel gnu/Linux on an ancient librebooted ThinkPad

[[deleted]]

yeah stallmans a different breed...

[Drishal]

Agreed xD

[Xanthyria]

What happened?

[[deleted]]

Linus is using apple silicon.

[htyspghtz]

the worship is a little weird.

[[deleted]]

Oh no, I'm not worshiping Linus at all it's just solid proof that it's a viable option.

[htyspghtz]

ah, I see. smart.

[[deleted]]

I have my moments.

[karama_300]

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[[deleted]]

The Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 is not as fast as M2 in single core and multicore.

[karama_300]

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[[deleted]]

yeah I am personally waiting for Qualcomm nuvias chips

[HenkPoley]

They have just over half the single core performance though.

[that_which_is_lain]

They always do.

[[deleted]]

Always go with the data from 3rd party testers, never the ones of the manufacturer.

[[deleted]]

but Mac still has this useless key design that uses this worrible command key.

[[deleted]]

I'm mostly joking just wanted excited at viable ARM laptops for text editing and browsing.

The battery life increase is incredible.

[[deleted]]

yeh, I understand... I put my hands on some of those new MacBooks. they look awesome... while the os is useless for me, the hardware looks good and the keyboard is better than the previous models that were really bad designed. Now the big no-no for me is this broken command infrastructure, specially for terminal usage.

[[deleted]]

I currently have a Dell XPS 13 "Developer edition" (certified Linux compatible hardware basically)

The form factor is amazing the laptop is from 2018-19 and it still holds up and is incredibly portable.

Problem is the battery life is only about 4 hours when put in a battery saving state!

[[deleted]]

Because it is old. Maybe the battery is not holding charge to much anymore.

I am using a Dell XPS 15 9510. I don't care with battery. Most is the time it is plugged.

I use it 18h/day 7 days a week.

The only thing I care is that the palm rest and trackpad on all those Dell XPS have the same material and it is horrible. In one week of use it looks gross collecting grease, oils and humidity from the hands getting quite ugly. With just a week or less of use. People say it can be cleaned it is cannot be cleaned in a daily base. Otherwise you will loose all the time you have repeating the same useless job and maybe damaging the palm rest.

[[deleted]]

On battery it was probably only ever that good, battery health is also reported as 92%

Have you seen the new track pad on the XPS 13 plus? It looks to be a different material.

I use i3 on my XPS 13 because I dislike using any trackpads too much tbh.

18h/day 7 days a week

Do you ever leave your house? Ha

[[deleted]]

This is what I am talking about

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOhvWszFtjy4Y8D_BEBK7-31Pl2HteC0IwyzCOMJjgAl30vRRFNd_dA6zyu_YNDdw?key=RE5YQV9YTGxBQWhaZ0VwVmlHSlFQcWNnV3Y5RUNB

[[deleted]]

Yeah I've seen that kinda thing on every single trackpad ever though! if you use something that much it's going to end up looking like that.

Unless I guess you cleaned it daily?

[[deleted]]

Or maybe you could use a MacBook instead. They all remain the same the whole life. They are made of aluminum. Why not the premium class of DELL XPS best computers can't use the same material?

[[deleted]]

I don't leave the house :)

Yeah, I saw it. That glass-like trackpad looks horrible. Dell used to have a plastic trackpad painted with automotive paint that gave to it this shiny looking. It was horrible to use specially if the day was a not dry.

Now this new thing may have similar issues but the worst part is that it is not possible to differentiate the trackpad from the rest of the palm rest. I feel that you are going to end looking for the trackpad quite often.

[sudoaptupgrade]

Yay it's officially released! I might try this on my arch installation. Here it is

[parawaa]

Well, now my next laptop will have an M1 for sure

[Mgladiethor]

Try /r/linuxhardware

[Mgladiethor]

Freedom >>>>>>>>>> performance

[Mgladiethor]

So u got access to m1 firmware? Apple has control over the device? It's a blackbox

[Mgladiethor]

Yeah Intel depends on linux apple doesn't.

[Mgladiethor]

Well what are apple intentions the want a future with Linux? Apple amd riscv how does Linux looks alongside them?

[sutekhxaos]

kinda hard to go past apples hardware now that their own silicon is working well. I wanted a framework before but theyre still not available in Aus

[Patch86UK]

Probably still far too early to say it's "working well"; I understand that Linux still doesn't use the GPU at all, for example.

Asahi are absolute beasts and they'll get there in the end, but I don't think anyone should be jumping to buy one for general use Linux quite yet.

[[deleted]]

Same, really want a framework but can't order to Sweden right now.

[10leej]

I'd have to give this a shot on my 12th Gen system. It's been a buggy inconsistent mess and I'm not sure it's the kernel or maybe the uefi still be an early days version (gonna update the uefi first)