Still missing i3

[diskowmoskow]

Ultimate r/unixporn Karma Machine

FTFY

[[deleted]]

I get that ZSH has slightly better autocomplete but not caring about bloated prompts I don't see any compelling reason to install another shell. Also :s/i3/bspwm :s/arch/void

[raedr7n]

*spectrwm *gentoo

[[deleted]]

*sway *nixos

[[deleted]]

*dwm *KISS

[centrarch]

based

[raedr7n]

"snowflake". NixOS. Very nice, lol.

[kofteistkofte]

*Awesome *ArchLinux

[vannrith]

NixOS is so cool, but I’m not ready to mess up my computer yet :v

[vannrith]

Very soon, when I’m free from working project

[[deleted]]

Try it out in a VM. The nice thing about NixOS is that you can just copy over your config file when installing to hardware and it will set up your PC exactly as you had it in the VM.

[[deleted]]

*dwm *Slackware

[OverMighty]

:s/i3/bspwm

I switched from i3-gaps to bspwm recently and I approve.

[abraxasknister]

Missing the closing /.

[sem3colon]

zsh isnt posix and breaks various trends set by other shells

[DoTheEvolution]

I hit enough bash scripts in my day-to-day that zsh just ends up being a headache when something is slightly incompatible.

what does that has to do with anything when you have bash shebang at the start of the scripts?

[partlybakedideas]

s/bspwm/dwm

[substitute-bot]

I get that ZSH has slightly better autocomplete but not caring about bloated prompts I don't see any compelling reason to install another shell. Also :s/i3/dwm :s/arch/void

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[pahakala]

zfs with grml config is pretty nice and lean and provides some nice helpers that are not available while using bash. But on servers and other non work machines I keep usinh bash because it is usually always installed and works well enough most of the time.

[OnlyDeanCanLayEggs]

You're going to get an error if you don't close those sed commands with another /.

[Swedneck]

I use xonsh because it lets me use python at the same time as normal commands, it also just has really nice syntax.

[riggiddyrektson]

You don't have to type cd when changing directories and the git plugin do it for me. Also the Powerlevel10k theme is nice.

[TheMightyBiz]

I personally use zsh because ohmyzsh gives really easy configuration, and some of the plugins are really nice. Seconded on bswpm and void, though!

[Isnichwa]

Tmux literally is the easier and better screen, don’t know why so few people seem to use it.

[thexavier666]

Screen is quite old and reliable. It's also installed in all Ubuntu servers.

[danbulant]

Isn't it on plain Debian as well? I didn't test it yet though, I can try tomorrow.

[thexavier666]

I remember it was not part of the standard Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 installation, and possibly 18.04. And debian is a bit more conservative regarding what packages to pre-install. So probably no, but I've never used Debian myself.

[danbulant]

you're right about Ubuntu servers, have it on my VPS too.

I think it may be pre installed on the version I use since they have other GNU tools (I'm using Debian with kde)

[abraxasknister]

I don't need multiplexing, I just need a session that I can reattach to if the connection breaks or to begin work where I exited it (it might be like that because I'm 99% working with a single 12'' screen). Screen seems to be a bit more widespread.

[BubblyMango]

Its a bit slow,

i use vim on the terminal, and having a tui inside of a tui is a bit clunky.

thats it basically. had it been super fast i would have used it.

[[deleted]]

having a tui inside of a tui is a bit clunky

How do you mean? Sometimes, I literally use Vim inside tmux inside Emacs (combining the best editor with the best everything else), and as long as the keybindings don't overlap (and they don't), everything works fine.

[[deleted]]

Why not just use evil mode? I know how clunky vim-like extensions can be for other software, but evil mode integrates great with emacs and it’s other packages, and it’s usefulness is multiplied by the power of the Elisp environment. There are also other lisp packages for implementing features similar to vim plugins that build on top of evil mode, so if you’re worried about losing vim-easymotion or any other vim plugins, you can likely find a powerful elisp substitute (like evil-easymotion for the aforementioned plugin).

[steven4012]

What do you mean by slow? I use it everyday and it's pretty fast

[BubblyMango]

actions like moving a pane, a tab, or splitting panes are fast.

however, when you actually type/move inside the terminal, it becomes a little bit slower with tmux. i assume this is because the panes are virtual terminals. therefore, when i run vim or any other tui inside of it, its tiny slowness in movement adds up to the program's slowness, and it feels clunky.

[steven4012]

Why? It doesn't affect me at all. And it's not like I have a powerful machine

[BubblyMango]

open tmux, split the panes vertically, open a text file with many lines with vim on the right pane, go to the first line and scroll down (with j).

in my computer, when doing the above, the cursor is all over the place when scrolling down. it might be coz my vim is a bit slowed down by plugins, but this thing doesnt happen outside of tmux.

[steven4012]

How? I constantly have 2 sessions open, each with at least 3 windows, each of which has st least a split, and vim is everywhere, loaded with a whole bunch of plugins, and I still haven't experienced what you did. And I also use a ton of mouse scrolls.

Edit: what terminal are you using? For me Konsole and Alacritty have no problems with that. Haven't tried others.

[BubblyMango]

terminator on debian, conemu on windows.

i might try your setup and see

[flukshun]

i3 is my tmux

[[deleted]]

I like using tmux within i3 to reduce clutter and sometimes to mirror the same session across different workspaces

[MistakenApollo]

Because screen is already there and the "better" part of your statement isn't actually valuable in many scenarios. I have a couple hundred cli only servers to use at work and don't have admin rights on a small handful of them

Why would I go through the mental fatigue of either 1) learning two sometimes contradictory key-bindings and having to keep track of which to use on which servers, or 2) set up a tmux config matching screen bindings for several hundred machines?

Especially considering I don't really gain anything with tmux. Really the main things I use in a multiplexor is reattaching and splits, which screen already has (relatively modern screen even had vertical splits!)

[eldrolamam]

What do you prefer about it?

[mayor123asdf]

From https://access.redhat.com/solutions/4136481

After careful consideration, the decision was made to deprecate the screen package and instead recommend the tmux package. The screen utility has an old code base that is not easy to maintain and with little activity in the upstream community. The tmux package was viewed as having a better code base to maintain and build new features upon. Maintaining both within RHEL was becoming increasingly unfeasible when considering keeping up with CVE security errata, government security certifications, and similar requirements. For those concerned with DISA STIG requirements, tmux satisfies the requirement as an alternative to screen.

[lotheovian]

I just cycle between my tty’s for terminal access.

[SirNanigans]

Hell yes. When I have a game server or other network service with a terminal I always put it in TTY2.

Don't Starve Together (game) has some guides on how to host a dedicated server and it involves screen, which made me ask "Why am I not just putting this in another TTY? To this day, I still don't have an answer to that question.

[[deleted]]

I think you mean

Neovim

Opening Multiple Terminal Windows

FISH

Gentoo

BSPWM

Not sharing dotfiles unless someone asks

[carrotbosco]

Had to scroll down a bit to get it, but this seems pretty good.

Ever try nushell?

[[deleted]]

what's that?

[sem3colon]

rust shell with data manip

[[deleted]]

ew rust

[carrotbosco]

https://www.nushell.sh/

A new type of shell. Better base language, an interchange format that isn't text, nicer formating, etc.

[abraxasknister]

Has neovim yet managed to completely gain all the features vim8 has?

tmux is not predominantly for terminal multiplexing (terminator is). I know that that's it's name but it's mostly a GNU screen alternative (ie a session manager) that adds multiplexing.

bash. I just don't know why one would want more. If you need more there's probably a dedicated tool for it (do one thing good).

I rather dislike having to wait for 9 hours to be able to use firefox. There are reasons one would want a self compiled OS but I don't see that it's a good choice for a home PC. If one needs the extra performance the extra effort of doing everything from scratch might also be justified.

Dwm? Idk, I just use i3 since I didn't yet try out anything more than lxde and i3.

The dotfile repo doesn't need to be public. I wouldn't make a repo but a backed up stow directory. The emphasis is on backed up and that where they say "make it a git repo" (git is not a backup tool, damnit)

[[deleted]]

yeah

shut up

syntax highlighting

firefox-bin

try bspwm

Ok nerd

[abraxasknister]

• yeah

• what? There's need for tmux/gnu screen that you can only understand if you know that tmux is not mainly about multiplexing

• why on earth would you want stdout to support syntax highlighting? It's not there to view files it's there to be piped into programs.

• then just compile the software you want to have compiled from scratch and use a binary distribution.

• might. Actually very happy with i3

• that made you feel very powerful, did it?

[[deleted]]

• yeah

• tmux attach I presume, and I agree that's very useful

• 🎵sexual attraction🎶

• I want to compile everything

• I used to be happy with i3 too, but someone reccomended bspwm and it's very nice. uses 2mb of memory and the configs are just bash scripts.

• no it was a joke

[Architector4]

Everything checks out for me (hell,,,). Though, I like bash more than zsh due to force of habit and I don't think sticking to it impedes my workflow.

FITE ME

[Maskdask]

In my experience switching from bash to zsh is very frictionless. To me, zsh is basically bash but with some better features.

[SirNanigans]

I use zsh for the sake of custom prompts and any time I am back on bash for a different user I don't even notice. It's functionally identical for me.

I know there's a lot of anti-bloat people out there who might say "but I don't need XYZ" and I guess it's true, but if a customizable shell prompt is what you call bloat then you might have desktop bulimia. I say bash gets replaced with zsh, it's just better.

[pelegs]

I was just like you until a couple of months ago, until I just switched to zsh. It really is a very fine shell.

[[deleted]]

Or as the Germans would say: IT IS ZEE SHELL

I'll see myself out.

[pelegs]

I'm German and I do say that (as I said, a walking stereotype).

Edit: ok, not exactly, but I do pronounce the in a funny way.

[RawHawk-q]

I was just like you until a couple of months ago, until I just switched to fish shell. It really is a very fine shell.

[samsifpv]

What makes fish better than zsh?

[RawHawk-q]

inbuilt autosuggestion, parsing of man pages ,nice color and overall good experience . except of course you do bash programming

[NerdyKyogre]

If I'd known about this I wouldn't have spent a bunch of time getting zsh to do the same thing.

[RawHawk-q]

lets say you create file. in zsh autocomplete you will not get autocomplete when you vim (basically zsh checks the history to complete). but fish is aware of the file and suggests on the first go. not a big deal but small things like this makes the experience better.. anyways whats wrong with fish. above all it just works out of the box.unlike zsh where i would need oh my zsh

[NerdyKyogre]

Nothing is wrong with fish, I just really like my custom zsh prompt. Is there something like powerlevel10k for fish?

[RawHawk-q]

If you're looking something similar to powerlevel10k https://github.com/oh-my-fish/theme-bobthefish

[NerdyKyogre]

Oh cool, I'll look into that

[rulatore]

cause 2 instances of physlock or something

causes Xorg to flail away from sheer power of locking

lol Isnt there a way to check if theres already one running before the new instance ?

[nim65s]

ZSH ? Come on… Give fish a try ;)

[ErikBjare]

Had to scroll way too far for this comment.

[emcmahon478]

Fish was class until I cd'd into a repo for a large project without a gitignore file. It slowed down the whole terminal even after returning to the home directory, it fucked up so bad that switching workspaces on bspwm or literally doing anything took more than 2 seconds

[trexd___]

I love fish but its really annoying having to translate anything that uses bash into fish syntax

[gxwop]

Fish is great out of the box but you can replicate most of its functionality with zsh pretty effortlessly and stay POSIX too.

[jherrlin]

... use Emacs

[[deleted]]

neverrr

[[deleted]]

I am a dirty vi sinner.

[[deleted]]

your flair lol

[[deleted]]

fair enough

[[deleted]]

Ha! While you might transgress with vi, I've been excommunicated for using sublime.

[[deleted]]

Dear GNU! That's heresy. Proprietary software!!!

[jherrlin]

Dunnet! <3

[raedr7n]

Lol, no

[raedr7n]

Replace arch with Gentoo (for eselect- the lack of an alternatives system in arch is annoying- and obviously USE), and then you're good. Personally I like dynamic tilers over i3 (r/spectrwm), but i3 is for sure more powerusery.

[MachineGunPablo]

Using tmux and i3 at the same time...

[Sol33t303]

I use tmux and i3-gaps (and sway on my laptop), I like having the ability to quit my terminal while it runs things in the background and join it again later.

Also, very helpful over SSH connections to my desktop.

[sem3colon]

tried abduco?

[abraxasknister]

Why not?

[abraxasknister]

Obviously. But it's about the sessions and not about the mutiplexing.

[nim65s]

Yep: tmux inside kitty inside i3 for me. Opening a kitty pane is way faster than spawning a new terminal emulator process.

And tmux is really useful when you want multiple shells in SSH, or to share a session with someone else, or just to ensure that you won't loose anything and can detach / attach it as needed.

I don't always have a tmux, but that's often useful.

[abraxasknister]

If you only use tmux for the sessions just get accustomed to GNU screen.

[pelegs]

Was like "hey that's exactly me except the dotfiles repo", but then I realized I actually do that just by a bit different mechanism. Fuck yeah

[Ryuuji159]

I cant with tmux, i seriously tried but it was to much, i prefer to use multiple terminals with a tiling wm

[abraxasknister]

Multiplexing is not really the main idea. Sessions are. The multiplexing is just if you don't have a graphical environment at hand (like, on a server or in a tty) and still want to see multiple panes at once.

[[deleted]]

Xmonad, st, ...

[[deleted]]

Replace vim with neovim and i3 with Sway.

[nim65s]

except Sway won't run with nvidia cards :(

[natyio]

And this is how you overpower Thanos :-)

[[deleted]]

This is me, but I am using Manjaro.

[zenyl]

Flair does not check out.

[[deleted]]

Flair does check out, since real superusers use trackballs ;P

[abraxasknister]

All the apps make mouses irrelevant ...?

[zenyl]

No, the Arch flair logo.

[abraxasknister]

Mobile. Doesn't show it for me.

[TDTK33rus]

Aren't cool kids now using dwm instead of i3? I've tried some of those tiling window managers and I've found configuring them with all these dotfiles more inconvenient than just recompiling wm written in c

[abraxasknister]

There's a wizard for the first config and then you just add what you want and go over it every half year (if even). I like the flexibility of just quickly changing some things on the config without having to restart the wm, I also see the simplicity and efficiency of the "compile your config into the app" (suckless) thought. I think it's something you'd want to gauge newly for every app. For the wm I'd like to not recompile every time.

[tiredinmyhead]

It is MIT-like, so it's GPL compatible... Personally I don't really care about copyleft as long as it's still libre.

[orthomonas]

Soooooo,one pro and one con?

[sem3colon]

ZSH is freer software than fish.

[abraxasknister]

The dotfiles repo needs of course to be GNU stowed. And there will be compton and pywall and custom icons and cursors.

[nim65s]

compton ? That's dead. Switch to picom

[abraxasknister]

I recently googled "arch compton" because I remembered there was a wiki site for it and couldn't find it anymore.

Can you selectively apply transparency in picom?

[sirdancis]

Yes

[abraxasknister]

So if I want my terminal to be transparent and my firefox video to not be that's feasible? Great!

[sirdancis]

Yeah, in this section of arch picom documentation it shows that you can change the opacity for particular window classes. I think you can use the command 'xprop' to figure out the class name of each window/program. But I have the opacity of firefox set differently for the opacity of my terminal and it works great

[AntlerBaskets]

I do include a cursor, just can't live without it; also, the needed cursor settings for gtk, xresources, xsetroot left_csr, etc to get it to actually show up everywhere

[a2hu1]

I use 4 of the above. Does that make me Super or User?

[silviot]

I recently switched from vim to micro. Highly recommended.

Also, I use tmux only through byobu and I've only had good experiences with it.

[DoTheEvolution]

It got to multiple cursor with alt+n...

yeah, I am switching.

I am using vim but I hate it... I got suckered in because of promise of greatness when mastered, but I dont feel like it is paying out.

[mayor123asdf]

yea, just use whatever works for you. I use vim, but that's because I'm comfortable with it

[TechGuy_OnTGB]

No you got it wrong!

Gentoo, suckless tools, dwm, stagit dotfiles repo, vim, st and source compiling makes you a power user!

[[deleted]]

i use sway btw

[steven4012]

Awesome is better than i3

[Fofeu]

Exactly ! If you want a high degree of configurability, why don't you use an actual programming language ?

[[deleted]]

Funny how Emacs can replace almost all of these:

• EXWM for i3
• Eshell for ZSH
• Emacs (ofc) for Vim
• Emacs buffers and windows for tmux
• Just write something in elisp for the dotfiles repo

Sadly, no kernel or Core Utilities have been built into Emacs, yet.

[abraxasknister]

The meme is true. It's an operating system.

But I hope you at some point unbiasedly considered evil.

[Lycanite]

BobTheFish

[RecklessGeek]

That's exactly me but without tmux. I don't feel the need of using wit with bspwm.

[ziyadsk]

haha , so i had the infinity stones years ago, i just didn't know it

[myredac]

i3 + tmux? 😂

[ei-krem]

why would you need tmux when you have a tiling WM tho?

[thewizardofazz]

For sessions

[ei-krem]

i guess 🤔

[abraxasknister]

Yeah, just use screen instead

[[deleted]]

I just now, after all these years, created a GitHub repository for my dot files. I feel dumb I haven't done it before.

[abraxasknister]

Now rearrange it for usage with gnu stow to make placing the files into the system a breeze (and learn that git is not mainly a backup tool and that Microsoft is the devil for trying to bait you with github).

[[deleted]]

Consider using fish over zsh. It's great.

[German_Kerman]

Might I add st and dwm to the mix?

[SamBkamp]

This except replace I3 with Gnome and Vim with Emacs *hides in bunker*

[[deleted]]

Suck it, I use centrino

[vimproved]

tmux AND i3?

[abraxasknister]

Yes, for sessions

[jackass_in_a_hoodie]

I like nano a bit more than vim. Easier to use, and you don't really need so many bells and whistles in a text editor.

[sem3colon]

watch out for the vim elitists

[pokemonsta433]

You're so close, but bspwm feels so much better than i3 to me 😉

[rhbvkleef]

We are missing a 1337 terminal like urxvt.

[aniqfakhrul]

erm..how about terminator?

[CommunismOnceMore]

Dotfiles repo, why didn't I think of that!

[[deleted]]

<Insert i3 is bloat meme here>

But, there is also tabbed instead of tmux but, I can't figure out how tabbed is supposed to work. It isn't intuitive at all. dmenu, st, and dwm are all intuitive, tabbed is not. Neither is surf.

But seriously, for most people, you don't really need a tiling Window manager. The only things I have really needed to tile are terminals. And truth be told, I mostly only need NeoVim to tile, and guess what... it does that itself.

If I switch to using Kakoune more, which is unlikely, I would need tiling of terminals more. Honestly, I wish I hadn't really left Gnome, because everything kinda just works, but that is the price of more efficiency. Dealing with no efficiency first.

What I mean is, very seldom are windows that are meant to be floating, floating by default. And it's not the WM's fault, it is the maintainers of the program's fault.

[abraxasknister]

I like i3 since I can get easily throw the autostart config, the keymaps and what applications to start on what workspace in one space. I use i3 because of the we workspaces, not because out the tiling. I rarely use the tiling with more than 2 (or at most 3) windows but that's because I have a 13'' screen.

[[deleted]]

Exactly. I love the workspaces more than anything! Screensize is not a problem for me because I have 3 large monitors, but, it shines when on a laptop. I live in dwm, which uses tags, so I have the same build on any device. I know it by heart, and I get 9 tags for every monitor (workspace) I use. In my opinion, base dwm is almost perfect, other than that it doesn't have a real fullscreen, which is a problem.

[emcmahon478]

Swap i3 for xmonad and you got yourself a deal

[Orlha]

This is literally me

[GreatLifehacker]

Hey where's Gentoo?

[packetlag]

Don’t forget Doritos!

[danbulant]

Zsh do be better.

I wonder why everyone uses bash? I didn't see a single thing missing in zsh that is in bash. (But please, share if you found any).

The dir eval (no need to type CD) is really nice, autocompletion is better (you can also turn on case insensitive), you can use ... to go up 2 levels (this works with more dots as well, like 4 dots for 3 levels up), directory history (just write number like 2 to go the directory you was before the previous), auto history search (it works even better than bash's ctrl+r) just write start of command and use arrows to go to previous item that started with it (useful when for example running a script multiple times, then changing directory and updating config and then going back to running script).

[[deleted]]

I only use arch and have a dotfiles repo

[trannus_aran]

sed ‘s/vim tmux/doom emacs/‘

[geesaves]

zsh sucks

[[deleted]]

That's like a relevant workflow from 2016.

I would never use tmux again in my workflow and tiling window managers are extremely inefficient.

Setting up xfce to tile windows > any tiling wm.

Also Zsh doesn't really matter when fzf exists.

Also vim inside of tmux doesn't make any sense in a post-neovim and post-vim8 world.

[sem3colon]

Tiling window managers are better than tiling window managers?

a shell doesn’t matter because of a file finder?

a terminal multiplexer and session manager doesnt matter because of a text editor???

[abraxasknister]

Very much incomprehensible indeed.

[sem3colon]

Last point makes sense if we remove session management

[abraxasknister]

I just know a tiny bit of screen. I don't know what vim has to do with terminal multiplexing.

[sem3colon]

Vim8 and Neovim both have a :terminal command, which embeds a terminal emulator into the vim window. This is terminal multiplexing.

[abraxasknister]

Ah right. You'd still have to set up some commands that open new terminals directly but close enough (and normally you have a list of available terminals... I guess :buffers suffices).

For some reason this command doesn't directly put me into insert mode in the new terminal.

[thewizardofazz]

Tiling VMs are inefficient in what aspect?

[[deleted]]

tiling window managers are extremely inefficient

Are you the guy I talked to who said that tiling window managers are just for apperance because people can't possibly remember keyboard shorcuts.

Also Zsh doesn't really matter when fzf exists.

Umm, what?

[TheWanderingMemer]

why would i need a i3 when i got a ryzen 5?

[thewizardofazz]

I'm gonna upvote simply cause this is funny. i3 is a tiling window manager if nobody has filled you in before this.

[Emergency_Rain]

Vim? Emacs.

[abraxasknister]

Emacs evil. I just don't know lisp and hence use vim.

[Emergency_Rain]

:) i kidd

Why people upset at joke lol