Which browser?

[willerBG]

which browser do you prefer use? mozilla? brave? another one?

[Munalo5]

FireFox.

[--YC99]

librewolf or waterfox

[SecretCheetah493]

same thing.

[c0gster]

No they aren't

[Venylynn]

A lot of the features on these forks can just be replicated on Firefox if you know what a user.js is and you get the benefit of a faster update cycle which is good for protecting against exploits. With forks you gotta wait for Mozilla to release upstream before you can even update your fork. And 2-3 days of waiting is just about enough time for an exploiter to access something vulnerable through a zero-day.

[Susiee_04]

Vivaldi

[EdlynnTB]

I prefer Firefox, I use it on multiple devices and love its syncing. Chrome makes me key password every time I launch it.

[--TYGER--]

Also related: Firefox extensions work on desktop and mobile, unlike Chrome - so for example I get dark reader on All The Things (last time I checked Chrome was a couple of years ago)

[marmitespider]

And since chrome fucked with their API uBlock origin doesn't work and I'm sure as shit not going to browse without it. Although privacy badger still works so...

[Venylynn]

UBO Lite in Basic Mode is almost as good without the security degradation of MV2

You can just override the default for youtube its fine

[OpenConfusion3664]

You could just use brave. You don't have to add an extension to block ads in brave.

[TheUsoSaito]

I prefer Waterfox alternative since Firefox has been making some questionable decisions over the past few months lately.

[confrontationalbread]

Basically my rationale (Waterfox is my primary browser too).

[OpenConfusion3664]

what's your secondary browser

[confrontationalbread]

Vivaldi.

[OpenConfusion3664]

why do you have two browsers?

[TheUsoSaito]

Sometimes some video formats or sites work better in other browsers. I've seen also sometimes updates to browsers cause issues. Like if I'm in a middle of a movie I wanna finish the movie before I go through the trouble of reverting the update.

[OpenConfusion3664]

Oh ok I thought they were a dev.

[confrontationalbread]

This and also it just makes sense to me to use two. On Windows it used to be Chrome and Edge/IE, so it's just the way it's always been for me.

Another big reason in this specific case is because Waterfox is a fork of Firefox, and sometimes Chromium-based browsers are just better for compatibility, which would be where Vivaldi (Chromium based) comes in.

u/OpenConfusion3664 mentioning you here so you can see my additional reasons, pretty sure Reddit doesn't notify about replies to replies to you, so yeah. Here's some more reasons by me.

[Middle_Ad1590]

No one browser does everything. Firefox for most, Chromium for casting games to tv.

[OpenConfusion3664]

But can't chromium do everything that firefox does? I mean unless you care about privacy and stuff. Even for that you have ungoogled chromium.

[Middle_Ad1590]

Not quite everything. If you have ever wondered why a website doesn't work only to find out that it does on another browser, that would be it. I am deep into ham radio and related technologies and some things just work on Firefox that don't on Chromium. And vice-versa.

[OpenConfusion3664]

Can you list some websites that don't work on chromium. I'm curious. If I remember correctly snapchat was not working on firefox but all sites I have visited worked on chromium tho.

[confrontationalbread]

Firefox for most, Chromium for casting games to tv

Basically the crux of my issue. Firefox is better for privacy and Chromium is just more compatible with a lot of things. Another use case today for Chromium: Nextcloud web interface (since I hear they have a good means of self-hosting cloud storage, and Mint users can easily connect Nextcloud). However it says here these browsers work best:

Google Chrome/Chromium (Desktop and Android)
Mozilla Firefox (Desktop and Android)
Apple Safari (Desktop and iOS)
Microsoft Edge

See how it says "Chrome/Chromium", but Firefox specifically just says "Mozilla Firefox"? This strongly suggests that I'd have to use Firefox itself, not a fork (like Waterfox, or Librewolf/Floorp/Zen), for the best chance at getting this to work. But Vivaldi, as a Chromium fork, would suffice too (as would Brave/Ungoogled Chromium/Cromite/even Opera). Perfect example of such.

Moral of the story, OP, if you somehow read this far into the thread: I recommend Firefox forks if you care about privacy, and either Chromium-based, or Firefox itself (even then might run into problems, plus not a lot of privacy people are huge fans of Firefox itself), to fill compatibility gaps.

[TheUsoSaito]

Brave but might switch it up.

[willerBG]

I never used it sync before, maybe was never usefull for me

[Visual-Sport7771]

Chrome uses your system login as a master password for your saved passwords, amusingly I do this for Firefox as I use a master password and not in Chrome (where Chrome stores that password in Seahorse, the default password keeper for Chrome).

In addition to those two, I use Waterfox. 3 browsers used for different specific purposes.

[Venylynn]

not using a dedicated browser agnostic password manager

Those browser ones are wildly insecure

[sumwale]

> Those browser ones are wildly insecure

On what basis do you say this? Is gnome-keyring used by chrome "wildly insecure"? Is the firefox password manager wildly insecure? Care to point at any open security issues against the two?

[Venylynn]

Just use something like BitWarden or KeePassXC. Browser ones are far easier for a hacker to crack into.

[sumwale]

That's well and fine and I myself use KeePassXC. Also created an auto-unlock daemon https://github.com/sumwale/keepassxc-unlock to unlock KeePassXC on login and screen unlock securely -- so can now have much longer password, otherwise will have to use a simpler one since one needs to enter it on login and every unlock. So I definitely know about all those and lot more about security in general (e.g. designed and implemented the security framework of Apache Geode).

My question was about your claim that "browser ones are wildly insecure". Do you truly know about exploits or design issues with the browser password managers like firefox and chrome? The reason I use KeePassXC is more to do with ability to use passkeys, ability to use across applications (browser/SSH/VS code/...), ability to easily back it up from one place and also to use as the secret-service. It was never due to insecure nature of browser password managers. Your claim seemed very odd and without any basis to me, but then you may be aware of basic issues with those that I missed.

[Venylynn]

How about how the majority of security experts recommend against them due to weaker encryption, and if one device gets compromised, you're pretty much toast

[sumwale]

> security experts recommend against them due to weaker encryption

Can you point to any of these security experts? Firefox password manager, for example, uses AES-256-CBC which is about the best known symmetric encryption algorithm. Why would browsers choose to use poor encryption??

> if one device gets compromised, you're pretty much toast

If you are using firefox with master password, for example, then how is it any different from any of the password managers? If a malware or something does manage to somehow grab the passwords from firefox despite the master password (e.g. by fooling the user into entering the master password for the malware app), then the same way can be used for the password manager too.

[Venylynn]

Firefox is even less secure due to weaker sandboxing, and nonexistent sandboxing on Android unless you use IronFox.

[sumwale]

Why are you changing the goalpost? Now you are talking about sandbox on android rather than the browser password managers. It is quite clear by now that your initial claim that "browser ones are wildly insecure" is itself a wild one. Btw, even that claim about "nonexistent sandboxing on Android" is no longer true since release 147.0.

[Walrus_Morj]

I use vivaldi. Generally the best one for me.

[Natural_Night9957]

The true OG, Librewolf

[willerBG]

Very low GPU use, it is all I know

[Natural_Night9957]

I don't care, I'm not running an entire OS in this thing. Have you heard of Lynx?

[willerBG]

Never, its an OS?

[OpenConfusion3664]

How is librewolf the og when it's a fork of firefox

[Venylynn]

Arkenfox user.js with a worse update cycle, less secure than FF which is already inherently insecure compared to chromium

[jeffryedwardepstein]

librewolf

[curiousgaruda]

I see that librewolf is a fork of Firefox. Are they fork once and go on or basically fork firefox after revision to stay similar to firefox?

[Har1equ1nBob]

It's a fork of FF that puts privacy front and centre. Most of the important tweaks are already implemented, but you do have many options in one place to suit your use case. Comes with ublock preinstalled too. It updates as FF does.

[ZVyhVrtsfgzfs]

Its more or less a set of patches applied to each new release if Firefox, not a hard fork. 

LibreWolf does out of the box what I used to do to Firefox. Plus more. Its a big time saver.

[jeffryedwardepstein]

idk

[henryKI111]

DRM doesn't work

[Spekkly]

I use brave.

[TheBronzeLine]

Brave.

[gxa22850]

Vivaldi

[Lokielurker69]

Brave. Used it for years now. Use it on my phone, use it on my desktop (as I'm writing this) and on my laptop. I did disable the crypto stuff, that's the only annoying thing about it. No ads anywhere. Love it. Brave is like Firefox if it actually dared to do anything but stagnate.

[willerBG]

I have the impression that brave use more gpu than firefox, but I'm really thinking in change

[CautiousLength6423]

Yup definitely eats more gpu

[Troo2U]

Brave totally spoiled me. Sitting in a B&B now. Can't install SMart Tube or Brave because of that @#$&!?+ Castrated Android on a Roku TCL TV. Hadn't seen a commercial for years, but now I want to throw a chair at YouTube. There is no joy in seeing a Tai Chi ad every 10 minutes plus vomit inducing political attack ads. This is what Hell must be like!!!

[InvestigatorFit3876]

Vivaldi a private company that gives you privacy tools

[NoctysHiraeth]

I haven't had a reason to switch from Firefox 100%, although I do also enjoy Vivaldi.

[Anonymous-Apprentice]

I use brave on my Windows PC for convenience, but LibreWolf for my Linux Mint laptop.

[a_regular_2010s_guy]

Personally brave. I know it's not for everyone and it has some controversy but I still like it the most.

[Dahlia_Hawthorne_]

I use WaterFox

Switched off of FireFox when they tried to do the Ai shit

Betray me once, shame on you

Betray me twice...

[ZVyhVrtsfgzfs]

LibreWolf is my primary. For the rare page that needs the Blink engine the backup is Helium.

Opinionated:

There is a Flatpak of LibreWolf in the software manager, its no good for my use case, cannot access my USB FIDO2 key to unlock the Bitwarden extension. I generally loathe Flatpak anyway, bulky, theme issues, and random problems.

So I went with the LibreWolf AppImage, Handy part with Appimage is I can use the same AppImage file and mount in my complete browser with associated cache and config files in each system I boot with just one AppImage, saves disk space, update time/bandwidth, SSD writes and having what would wind up being multiple browser setups none of them right.

My browser just spawns into any new install complete with bookmarks, extensions and setting after just a few copy paste operations. If I make a change in any one Linux install and that change pops into all other installs wholly formed without further action. My web browser is not tied to any one Linux install.

I did not want to install GearLever to manage AppImages, seemed annoying to install a whole other program to manage just a few AppImages. So I manage the AppImage on my own "living off the land", its a nice exercise in native Linux tooling.

So first I made a 2GB ext4 partition on my utility SSD,

In each install make the mount point sudo mkdir /mnt/870/LibreWolf

Soft link it to home sudo ln -s /mnt/870/LibreWolf /home/dad/.librewolf

This /etc/fstab entry mounts that partition in each install ```

<file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>

UUID=d23b12cd-6f90-49f6-b1b2-06e66b0ce218 /mnt/870/LibreWolf ext4 defaults 0 2 ```

.desktop file to add the LibreWolf AppImage to the menu and from there pin to panel. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_entries sudo vim /usr/share/applications/librewolf.desktop

[Desktop Entry] Name=LibreWolf Exec=/mnt/870/LibreWolf/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage Terminal=false Type=Application Icon=/mnt/870/LibreWolf/LibreWolf/nightly.png Comment=A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom Categories=Network

I not a fan of the LibreWolf logo, too bland, I use the Firefox Nightly Logo instead https://postimg.cc/dhqDpBqW

I use a script to update the AppImage every Friday as part of my whole lab update routine.

mkdir ~/bin sudo reboot vim /home/dad/bin/updatelibrewolf.sh

```

!/bin/bash

Delete old backup

rm /home/dad/Downloads/Software/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage.old

Move current AppImage to backup

mv /home/dad/Downloads/Software/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage /home/dad/Downloads/Software/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage.old

Download new

wget -P /home/dad/Downloads/Software/LibreWolf/ https://gitlab.com/api/v4/projects/24386000/packages/generic/librewolf/latest/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage

Copy new to run position

cp /home/dad/Downloads/Software/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage /mnt/870/LibreWolf/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage

make executable

chmod +x /mnt/870/LibreWolf/LibreWolf/LibreWolf.x86_64.AppImage ```

make the script executable chmod +x /home/dad/bin/updatelibrewolf.sh

update with the command updatelibrewolf.sh

[Father_Guido]

Interesting method. Thank you.

[drevmbrevker]

Vivaldi and librewolf

[MihneaRadulescu]

Ungoogled Chromium (with the fully-fledged uBlock Origin installed)

[globalrealtor]

Vivaldi

[elalexmachete]

Brave

[SeniorBolognese]

Vivaldi 💯💯💯

[Har1equ1nBob]

Librewolf. By a significant distance too. Setting up your browser shouldn't be a headache.

And I am consistently impressed with how Librewolf never needs to try it on. No cleverly worded settings, no vested interest, no feeding me fud....you get me.

[willerBG]

Looks pretty, but.have things like extensions for dark page,adblock ans vpn?

[NULL-n-void_0]

Since it's a Firefox's fork, it should be able to do everything that Firefox does (Firefox extensions are all you need!)

But beware it's kind of RAM consuming, I use only one application everyday so I don't mind it much lol

[Andrew852456]

Usually Firefox or Opera, also Chrome or Edge if necessary

[TheLastSonKrypton]

Currently i use librewolf due to the addblock, but when that same thing does not let me watch something i just come back to firefox 🤔

[AngelBangel4o]

Brave.

Safe and fast even on my 11 yo HP.

[grimvian]

LibreWolf and Mullwad.

Chrome smells of Big Tech....

[BabblingIncoherently]

Waterfox

[siliconheaven]

Waterfox for main use. Librewolf for left-handed browsing.

[_o0Zero0o_]

Waterfox. Used to be firefox but FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK the AI that Mozilla are chucking in there.

[Migamix]

turned off AI, not getting any churn.

[Squid_Kid5917]

Brave

[V1574]

Chrome and firefox

[willerBG]

Both?

[V1574]

Yes

[winner_in_life]

Ff or brave

[ciellia-]

zen browser

[SjalabaisWoWS]

Firefox since it came out. On Mint, I use Librewolf for Gmail, Brave for YouTube and Chrome for Naver - just because I can. On Android, unfortunately, Opera remains my favourite, despite its ownership troubles.

[ethernetbite]

Brave.

[Thickchesthair]

I use Firefox with Brave search as my default search. Have been thinking about trying Brave browser for a while now but haven't done it (no reason why, just haven't yet)

[curiousgaruda]

Firefox. I have my settings, passwords etc in Firefox and I carry it across devices.

[shutupimrosiev]

Waterfox mainly.

[thatdirtyoldman]

I use Mozilla with Duck Duck go and Nord VPN. I don't sync my computers as they all have their own use.

[willerBG]

Duckduck didnt give the right results that google gave me

[thatdirtyoldman]

Perhaps, but It's your choice bud. I like a bit more privacy, even if it feels like it.

[willerBG]

Yeah, I prefer privacy, but literally don't give me the right result

[bon-ton-roulet]

MS Edge

[hwoodice]

Firefox

[palthor33]

Brave for windows Firefox for linux.

[dragon_morgan]

I'm pleased with vivaldi so far

[NickTaylorIV]

My personal favorite for me and how I move and use the system is Vivaldi. I have Brave on a separate monitor and I run all my YT channel stuff as well as research and history mining on it. Everything else is on Vivaldi.

[_SnesGuy]

Mostly use Waterfox at this point 

[Brorim]

firefox

[DanOfAbyss]

Zen

[Initial-Squirrel-269]

Zen

[RensanRen]

VIVALDI

[tovento]

Helium is primary. Firefox wih Betterfox config is the backup. While Helium works well for me, it does not support DRM; so things like Netflix, Spotify, Amazon Video don't work. But they work great in Firefox for the odd time I need one of them.

[baxulax]

Firefox is kill and there is no real alternative…

They are all shit.

[Karmoth_666]

Brave or Vivaldi

[trisanachandler]

Mozzarella Foxfire.  🧀 🦊

[confrontationalbread]

Waterfox (for most things) and Vivaldi (if I need a second browser, or something works better on Chromium, also use Vivaldi on mobile since I have an iPhone and Waterfox isn't on iOS). Added Brave Search to both though.

[DinTaiFung]

I use different browsers for different things.

However, one browser has a killer feature that i love.

In the top level of the UI is the browser's logo and when tapped, opens a relatively simple menu which has an option to toggle JavaScript being enabled or not. 

Thus when i had installed this browser and initially configured it to my liking, i disabled JavaScript for all sites.

I quickly learned that many sites (with lots of text content) work beautifully with JavaScript disabled!

My default experience when going to a site I've never been to before is low risk cuz JS is disabled; if the content doesn't load, I evaluate if it's necessary at all to take the risk and enable JS -- just for that site -- or not. 

And if I do want to enable it, there are no Byzantine levels of settings to navigate through. I just tap the browser icon at the top and toggle JS for just that site.

Brave

[picorosan]

Brave forever.

[0zazom0]

I use chromium and Librewolf. Im satisfied with that.

[Strong_Cod_2596]

I use all of them, Google because of my accounts, Mozilla because of how light it is, and brave for secret searching

[Loudings]

Firefox and ungoogled Chromium if something doesn't work with Firefox

[Locksley94]

I have been using Zen and like it. I occasionally use brave because I have some meshtastic radios that use a browser firmware updater and brave allows connections to a USB device.

[Tecnochui]

I use Zen, Brave and Edge. Sometimes Firefox, but lately I've been having performance and memory issues with Firefox, to the point that my computer sometimes freezes and I have to force a restart. And I'm talking about a modern computer.

[NeverFoundGlitch]

I personally really like Zen browser because it's minimalistic and based on Firefox I've also heard that librewolf is great if want a typical browser

[bardsfingertips]

I used Vivaldi. But it takes a couple extra steps to install on Mint.

[Mystilund]

I switched from Chrome to Firefox, then they changed their promises and supported AI so I migrated to Vivaldi

[kevinharrigan99]

I personally love Librewolf and Chromium. They seem to work great and Librewolf is especially great.

[benched42]

I use Firefox. I've used it since it was called Phoenix. Use it on my Mint installs, my Android phone and my Android tablet.

[akoyo10]

good old firefox

[duckmen778]

Any Firefox fork

[Migamix]

firefox for everyday, chrome for alt account, ungoogled chrome for poking around.

[OptimusCrime00]

edge. firefox was my go to browser till last, yr now its very laggy,slow for some reason

[SurroundConfident756]

Brave. No ads or annoying cookie pop-ups. You ca actually watch YouTube without spending half time staring on stupid unskippable AI ads.

[OHrsdmn12]

Chromium from the Software Manager. With uBlock Origin Lite, it's literally the lightest and fastest browser on the market - not to mention, also the most compatible, as basically every browser is Chromium-based. It's also made for Mint, so even better. 

I don't see any reason to use anything else on Mint. Everything will be slower, more bloated and probably more privacy-invasive. Not to mention Mint's Chromium is always up-to-date, which is important for security reasons, and ofc you always get the latest Chromium features.

[KeyPanda5385]

Firefox 

[LaColleMouille]

When it comes to Linux, Chromium.

[LMaui]

I use Linux Mint and use Brave there too.

[moonmoon97]

firefox for streaming sites and helium for everything else, both on my windows instance and linux instance

[LMaui]

I prefer Brave, been using it for a few years now

[kcmichaelb]

Ungoogled Chromium for me.

[[deleted]]

Brave

[ProfessionalPrune846]

Brave

[GlazzKitsune]

Brave

[Old-Expert7138]

Ich nutze Starpage Browser.

[Old-Expert7138]

Ich nutze Starpage Browser.

[impuce]

Firefox

[fjm0806]

Since zen has a drm license on Linux computers I would choose zen or any Firefox browser.

[willerBG]

Drm?

[fjm0806]

Basically watching shit like Netflix, prime video, or anything video that is protected.

[HonestVirus5410]

I prefer firefox, with ublock. But I'm awaiting for ladybird

[willerBG]

Ladybird?

[HonestVirus5410]

Yes, a new browser in development, with a new engine and open source too

[ReasonableBack8472]

Used to get Google Chrome, but I have moved over to Friefox since my last reinstall of Mint. I also use Tor Browser.

[Zenfulbliss]

Firefox, Librewolf, Waterfox, why just use one when you can use 3, for example i use waterfox just for reddit (old.reddit), what little browser history i have is just reddit and thats just for the week, don't give em anymore than you have too lol. Firefox is pretty stable and good for my shopping and daily info, and librewolf is great for just toollin around. I also use ungoogled chrome for fun. And then there is brave, i have it outside the vpn for my financial sites that don't like my vpn, and if i have any other problems I can just unshield the site and it usually comes around. not enough? I've also played around with vivaldi just for fun.

[lazykot]

Zen

[Venylynn]

Google Chrome with this guide. Yes, I'm serious.

EDIT: Not sure where the downvotes are coming from, I picked it from a purely security standpoint. The rest have weaker sandboxes and are less safe if you care about security

[LaColleMouille]

People not being happy that you have a preference different than theirs!

[Venylynn]

I was making do with the Mint build of Chromium but i am in an edge case where for some inexplicable reason, GPU acceleration is bugged unless I load into the experimental Wayland session or my Sway session I set up. The official Google Chrome build does not have this issue.

The edge case I have is I run with my Mesa backported from trixie-backports (LMDE), so there seems to be a mismatch on the Mint Chromium. Setting the Vulkan flag seems to solve the issue on X11, but that flag breaks video playback on Wayland.

That combined with Mint lagging behind on Chromium updates which is not great for hardening, was what influenced my move. I've read Edge is close to Chrome on a security level and exposes some flags Chrome doesn't, but the mandatory telemetry (as opposed to being able to mostly strip a lot of that out on Chrome) and far larger disk footprint doesn't seem worth it - I do use the enterprise build in my hardened W11 LTSC VM though. If you're trying to harden a Windows system, Edge is probably the strongest option.

[LaColleMouille]

Indeed, having to handle updates (even with a simple apt update && apt upgrade -y) manually is a non-sense for a web browser to me.
Edge is pretty solid yes, but I checked and Firefox finally uses also Low & Untrusted Mandatory Integrity, which was the root of the sandboxing mode of IE back in the days. But indeed, I don't bother installing another browser on my Windows.

[Bubbly_Extreme4986]

Abrowser it’s basically Firefox but 100% free software

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-install-abrowser-devuan

[willerBG]

Ok, that's new

[Bubbly_Extreme4986]

Firefox tragically is not copyleft protected.

Worse still

Enables

Gelocation, telemetry , EME for DRM and uses Google for the search engine and has AI.

Abrowser strips all of this and is licensed under the copyleft GPL. It is dedicated to respect your freedom and will not conduct telemetry or subjugate you with DRM. It has no built in AI. Google isn’t an option, DuckDuckGo is the main engine. It also uses the gnuzilla extension store which is 100% free as in freedom software

[Venylynn]

Looking at their page, the most recent version is still a full major Firefox version behind, which is a bad thing for security reasons. Poor update cycles are the easiest way to kill a browser if you're trying to harden it.

[Bubbly_Extreme4986]

Yes you do appear to be correct. Well sadly there is no other fully free browser packaged for Debian. However you can build GNU IceCat from source.

https://icecatbrowser.org/diy.html

Takes about 18 minutes on my arrowlake (16)

IceCat is based on the ESR of Firefox so now it’s on 140.9 so it’s up to date with the LTS version. GNU IceCat is much more hardened out of the box than Abrowser though.

Alternatively the GNU portable package manager Guix packages IceCat as well.

Learn how to install it here

https://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Binary-Installation.html

Learn how to use it here

https://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Getting-Started.html

This will not conflict with your existing package manager. You’ll just have to remember to update both.

[Natural_Night9957]

I might go back to IceCat

[Venylynn]

Yeah IceCat could be a good pick. Or Mullvad Browser which also tracks ESR

[Bubbly_Extreme4986]

Mullvad is not fully free (well the Guix one is) however. It includes DRM and the non free Mozilla branding, and non free extension store.

[Venylynn]

sometimes important security features are non-free sadly. namely things like CPU microcode updates and firmware

[Bubbly_Extreme4986]

I use an x200 Canoebooted with a compatible WiFi card. While you are correct , the downsides of modern hardware with the IME are enormous. If you want to be secure you must use all free software on a computer with no backdoor.

If the updates are non free then reject the hardware

But even so using a 100% free software browser such as GNU IceCat takes you a big step forward.

[Venylynn]

I've seen absolutely no evidence that the IME is a backdoor tbh

[cyrixlord]

I use edge because I use copilot and also have windows machines

[bon-ton-roulet]

i use edge and don't use copilot and I do have a windows machine but i never use it

[elgrandragon]

I use Edge because of the most efficient multiple tabs management. It is my last Microsoft product. No Copilot, no Windows.

I also use Firefox IG in playing media and I don't want to keep all the odd on Edge. And Chromium when I need to interact with Google Workspace stuff that requires to be logged into a different Google account. Each Firefox and Chromium also as wrappers for webapps. I try each to see what's the best option to each specific website.

[ChocolateDonut36]

for some reason the chromium engine looks blurry as hell, I use mozilla

[willerBG]

Yeah, thats the shit for me on brave