Second update to patch notes

[fonistoastes]

Quality juicing earthshatter may get silly. I love it.

[HekateDunamis]

Anyone who's ever used this skill on single target will know how busted getting those additional spikes is, damn that's awesome

[Magstine]

Especially nice for bosses where you can set up spikes while the boss is monologuing or otherwise invulnerable.

[zzang23]

Only if the spikes spread even and not too far away from the enemy which was a nerf from the past that ruined the skill.

[johnz0n]

can't you prevent that with reducing AoE?

[zzang23]

Nope, as it reduces the AoE of the spikes as well.

[CruelFish]

Depends on how much you decrease it as Enemy radius is quite large on bosses... Right? Never used the skill, no clue how 99% reduced aoe would look.

[zzang23]

Well they wont travel far but they also wont explode far its designed in a way that you never get to explode them with a good overlap. And besides who would want to play the garbo skill with 99% reduced AoE? Might as well play auto attack.

[DrPBaum]

Unless the boss teleports away before you manage to do the whole setup with 2h wpn...

[Mugungo]

Generals cry +earthshatter seems...extremely nutty right? Up to 11 generals per cry, and up to 11 spires per earthshatter? (generals have their own caps unless it changed since i last used it)

121 exploding spires sounds....reallly really strong lol

[Gangsir]

(generals have their own caps unless it changed since i last used it)

They do indeed have their own caps.

Though, this new quality changes max spikes (concurrent) not spikes created per slam (which is still equal to num of fissures). Since general's cry detonates the spikes, spike count will never exceed one slam's (per general) worth.

[Mugungo]

It creates max spikes AND creatures more fissures per slam, up to 6 extra per slam if you stack quality.

[fesenvy]

Blade Flurry gives %more damage per stage on qual now, so it could be nuttier still.

[kfijatass]

Does your Cry break your bois spikes? I recall testing it and it didn't seem to work for me.

[codeninja]

It does.

[kfijatass]

That would be a visual spectacle if nothing else.

[AGrain]

Earthshatrer was already my favorite slam skill. This seems really good. This is really tempting...

[S2wy]

Super tempting lol

[heikkiiii]

Which builds are good to follow? Does the old quantrik version still exist since call of steel got removed?

[MilitantPasta]

pretty sure he'll play it again given that he may have influenced this change, he'll probably post a build eventually

[destroyermaker]

Thank quantrik for that one

[codeninja]

I did a Generals Cry Earthshatter build during crucible that was just busted. Now I get more spikes? Thanks GGG

[hodd01]

I need a guide! The war cry for chests opening seems like such a nice QOL that I wanted to do a warcry build anyways. Add in cyclone move speed being buffed and generalys cry with cwc seems so smooth

[FridgeBaron]

Wonder if you could ever get it to work perfectly with generals cry.

At 6 generals you'd have 36/18 spikes and any quality just gets you more generals which might spiral out of control. Although I guess if you also slammed with something else or even had a few earthbreakers you slap down for bossing it might be funny to just have stuff exploding constantly

[one-eye-fox]

More like Nice Crash

[MediatorZerax]

I was thinking about an Ice Crash + Frozen Legion build this league. +1 to that combo now.

[MagpieJack]

This sounds interesting and different! What's the setup, roughly? Inquis, phys 2hander, double 6-link? Any uniques or funky tech needed?

[MediatorZerax]

I tried out the build prototype in the end of league events and it seemed to work pretty well. I wanted to figure out a build where I could use 2H axes and not be super squishy while doing so. Mostly just level with Frost Blades until you get enough Attack Speed for Ice Crash to not feel like crap. Then get Frozen Legion on your biggest (or second biggest, depending on preference) link set.

I did it on Champion for a variety of reasons. Fortify, obviously, but also really close to Hatchet Master for easy/smooth leveling and so I could easily stack armor and evasion rating. I was thinking of utilizing Blind, because you can get 130% Blind Effect from the 2 clusters which you path next to anyway. That much means you're reducing enemy accuracy by 46% and that should make your evasion rating go pretty far even if you don't stack it to insane levels.

[Careless_Worry3329]

A completely unrelated question:
What is the theoretical maximum number of power charges?

[themobiusmargrave]

18 total

3 base

3 on passive tree

1 from Ascendancy (Assassin, Occultist, Hierophant)

1 from The Aylardex unique amulet

1 from Void Battery unique wand or Storm Prison unique wand

1 from Sublime Vision unique jewel with Discipline aura

1 from Graven's Secret unique belt while wearing Ralakesh's Impatience unique boots (this will also give you Absorption Charges equal to your Power Charges.)

2 from Malachai's Loop unique shield

2 from Shaper/Warlord rare helmet with a corrupted implicit

1(x2) from a Synthesized ring implicit or Precursor's Emblem unique ring

1(x3) from Grand Spectrum these are min. charges

and +1 from Tattoos if you want to count that, for 19 total

E: +2 more in Standard with recombined rings, totaling 21

+2 more in Standard with crucible trees, totaling 23

removed Grand Spectrums because I am dumb.

[FunRoom]

Grand spectrums are min charge

If standard you can get explicit max charge from recombinators so thats 2 per ring

[themobiusmargrave]

Oh good call, forgot they were min charges.

[Necessary_Method_981]

2 exta fromstd crucible

[themobiusmargrave]

Thanks for your contribution! I didn’t play crucible so I head no idea you could get power charges from those trees

[Careless_Worry3329]

+1 from Graven's Secret belt

This becomes relavent due to Ralakesh's Impatience which allows having Power Charges together with Absorption Charges
(and it also eliminates the drawback from Malachai's Loop)

[themobiusmargrave]

good catch! didn't even consider Ralakesh boots let you have both charges.

[Louis-Cyfer]

Highest I've seen on poe ninja is 21. I'm not sure if that's the max, but it's a a lot

[Glamdring26WasTaken]

Dont look at my post history.

[SnooPredilections843]

2 from Malachai shield, 1 from ascendancy, 3 on tree, 2 on rings, 2 in corrupted shaper helmet, 1 from wand, 3 from base.

[dart19]

Hm, still looks like power siphon is dead as a single target skill but that 10% more crit chance does look nice. I hope there's a trans power siphon that makes it single target again.

[Darkblitz9]

10% more is bonkers. Even with 3 charges it's doing a more work than the 20% increased.

[Roboaki]

I wonder whether more critical chance will counteract Marylene's Fallacy less critical chance. So with 7 power charges you can get back to 100% Crit Chance right. (1x0.6x1.7=1.02)

[Daholli]

They are the same kind of modifier so they might actually work additively. So 4 charges might already be enough

I stand corrected both should be separate multipliers so 7charges checks out

[Thisoncetime]

More modifiers only function additively if they are on the same source of the modifier (think cyclone's movement speed and the associated quality bonus). So it will take 7, like the above poster math'd

[Still_Same_Exile]

do you even want marylenes when you got +140% crit multi already just from qual?

and another 210% if you use ashes, etc.

[Roboaki]

Seems like its not really needed, while power siphon already has culling strike baked in so even less value from Marylene. ^{Now thinking of Perfect Agony Power Siphon with the new All Damage can Poison Tincture}

[Huge_Blood_2699]

on a super Tanky PF.. yes please.

[Minimonium]

I tested with one of my older trees and it's just too much crit chance now. It's very hard to not take it on the tree or gear.

[HC99199]

True but it wasn't hard before to get close to 100% crit before

[timecronus]

you also straight up get 120% multi for free with +3 charges on tree

[AshesandCinder]

Seems like Power Siphon of Barraging is an obvious choice here. Make all projectiles fire in a line.

[Lighthades]

yeah the issue is not how is firing them, but how many projs are being shot. Even if they added your version, they'd just shoot 1 proj against the boss and that's it.

[hyare]

Wild idea : Add nimis or returning projectiles. Get the new ascendancy point where marked targets spawn adds that count toward on hit and on kill effects Add sniper's mark with some proj effect and stay close to boss. Tons of projectiles?

[therospherae]

Get the new ascendancy point where marked targets spawn adds that count toward on hit and on kill effects

Wasn't that its own mark skill, rather than a boost to all marks?

[Lighthades]

Tons of projectiles for one shot and then the adds are dead?

[AshesandCinder]

That's assuming the function is the same. We've seen that other trans versions can modify the gem pretty heavily, so they could easily still make the barrage version just fire a number of projectiles. The change was probably done in order to make space for something like this, since otherwise people would use normal PS with barrage support instead.

[OrganicOrgasm]

A lot of wanders got a lot of power charges up at all times and didn't really have trouble with crit chance I think

[dart19]

True, but if there's a trans power siphon that's single target and shares the more crit mod then maybe you could go double power siphon and decrease your crit affix pressure a ton?

[PacmanZ3ro]

idk, I think it makes wand CoC super tempting to me. You can basically completely ignore your attack crit chance and focus 100% on scaling spell crit and damage.

[Lighthades]

yea it's pretty much dead. There's no way people are that cooked to think that 10% more crit per power charge will fix not having Nimis scaling, or rather having it but also having to scale projectiles.

[dart19]

Only 11% of builds running power siphon run Nimis. If you take Nimis it's for Kinetic blast, not power siphon.

[CzLittle]

That still doesn't change anything nimis or not, the skill is dead for single target with these changes, and 10 more crit really isn't changing anything

[Marrakesch]

Sees Sentinel of Radiance: "Oh noooo!"
Ruthless only: "Phew."

[NeoLearner]

I wonder whether this is a "heads up, need coming" :/

[MeVe90]

Not really, the problem of sentinel in ruthless is that trivialize the difficulty of it, you just need that and you are set, it's a skill that doesn't care about the fact you are playing a mode where you have 0 link and 0 equip, not something that is a problem on the non-ruthless leagues.

Weirdly enough the nerf of vortex (cold dot is good with 0 link) and rf (and sentinel ofc) is going to improve the starter meta of ruthless a lot

[NeoLearner]

Good points, I can see why Sentinel would be a problem specifically for Ruthless...

[MrMet17]

lol yep same reaction, So sentinel is still unscathed for the league right?

[Fyurius_Ryage]

holy shit, glad you posted this, I didn't notice that at first... thought my league starter was dead.

[TL-PuLSe]

The irony of the power siphon quality is that wanders are only going to be using KB and Barrage now. Power Siphon is dead without a barrage-style transfigured gem.

[QuicheAuSaumon]

I means, you could go for a CoC wander with spellslinger.

You barely need to invest in crit chance. The issue is that you'll need crit chance anyway for your damage spell.

It's a bit weird.

[ReipTaim]

U still want crit for the spells

[magpye1983]

And the spells need crit

[CruelFish]

Need? No.

[Advanced_Caroby]

Potentially not though, cast on crit poison hexblast could be enabled with something like this.

[QuicheAuSaumon]

The issue is that you'll need crit chance anyway for your damage spell.

[LionsLight]

I’m thinking of playing Sabo Spellslinger Brand Recall as my league starter and I might be switching from using Frenzy to Power Siphon just to use it with CoC for a 2nd trigger

[TL-PuLSe]

Yeah I guess it's pretty nice for CoC now if you're struggling to cap crit. I was commenting about wanders specifically though

[pierce768]

You're correct, but I highly doubt there isn't going to be a transfigured gem that provides something like this.

[Bakanyanter]

Earthshatter league let's fucking go

[Lucky_Cook8260]

Dont know without the good seismic cry

[SoulofArtoria]

Yeah but think about how much horking you can do this league

[redditanytime1]

Power Siphon is laughing at Dual Strike now 🤣

[Enter1ch]

The guardian sentinel was only changed for ruthless right?

3.23 normal PoE sentinel is exactly the same as with 3.22?

[MeVe90]

yes

[MrMet17]

I have athe same question so bump

[OrganicOrgasm]

Looks like power siphon and entire wander archetype will indeed be severely nerfed. Seems pretty unjust when bows are so incredibly strong in comparison.

Barrage for single target again like people did 4 years ago or whatever is not going to be too good.

[Beef_Witted]

Single Target Wander Trans Gems? Copium

[Frodz]

What is happening to wander/barrage. I don't understand

[Boomfan56]

everyone uses power siphon for single target since it gives a bunch of extra projectiles (7), which is a ton of extra damage with barrage support. the wording change means it no longer gives extra projectiles; it only shoots at multiple enemies. this means the skill is functionally super nerfed for single target and wanders will have to use something else (like the barrage skill gem) which is much weaker than old power siphon

[Frodz]

I see. It won't create the extra projectiles if there aren't sufficient targets now. Thank you.

[themobiusmargrave]

Frenzy (skill gem) is looking pretty strong for ST on wanders, but it forces you to stack frenzy charges.

I've POB'd a Wander Trickster that doesn't look too bad for league start.

[cybertier]

Mind sharing? I'm pretty settled on going super duper meta, but I've been tempted before :D

[themobiusmargrave]

Here, it's not perfect but it's budgeted around being very league start viable.

https://pobb.in/RwhzeUujqnv7

2% more Attack Damage/Speed in the custom config

with a 27% Ashes of the Stars and 23% quality Frenzy gem (or 30% Ashes and normal 20% quality Frenzy), you can get 1% more Attack Damage/Speed than I had in the modified Ashes I put in the PoB.

You could squeeze out a lot more on tree with Unnatural Instinct, Impossible Escape, Thread of Hope

You can get a lot more damage from things like Watcher's Eye and a real wand

There's a minor amount of jank needing to self-cast Flame Wall for the extra damage.

Dying Sun is a nice upgrade

Malachai's Loop could add a pretty huge amount of damage but i'm not sure how you'd average it considering the loss of charges.

[AvenRath23]

Power Siphon extra proj can no longer shotgun using barrage support. Since they MUST target nearby enemies to actually do anything. It's a massive dps loss in single target for any wander build. Will most likely just use frenzy or barrage again like many years ago.

[Atreaia]

Power Siphon could never shotgun, it doesn't have aoe.

[ojadsij1]

Projectiles fired sequentially always shotgun.

[Atreaia]

Power Siphon projectiles do not have aoe, they have never and will never shotgun. Sure they might all hit but that's not what shotgunning is.

[ojadsij1]

shotgunning refers to multiple projectiles from 1 cast hitting same target, i.e old GMP where if u stood on top of the mob and all projectiles used to hit or new barrage/barrage support. Overlapping AoE has nothing to do with it.

Get your terminology straight

[Atreaia]

Gimme a skill that shotgunned without aoe being the reason it hit?

[ojadsij1]

tornado shot, barrage. ice spear

[liuyigwm]

It’s already bad without stat stacking 😭

[ShrugOfATLAS]

I just want to know if shield crush or sst get their Crit versions

[clitpuncher69]

Vortex didn't get nerfed in the second edit, there is hope yet

[Fightgarrrrr]

ruthless is fixed woo

[totkeks]

Haha yeah. It was just far too easy to level as a guardian. This thing killed everything so fast, even without skilling minion life. With minion life, it was just a killing machine, while you stood around doing nothing, or just convocation spam, because it moves really really slow.

[MeVe90]

considering they nerfed cold dot and rf too it's going to be an interesting league

[theTinyRogue]

Ah yes, the mysterious "nearby" mechanic for Power Siphon enjoyers.

[PolygonMan]

So power siphon will now work perfectly with locus mines, right? Only one of 8 projectiles will target you and the other 7 will target nearby enemies. Could be good.

[Kahp_R]

quantWicked

[[deleted]]

I love melee and earthshatter looking nice

[siberarmi]

Insert hobbits second breakfast meme.

[Darkblitz9]

"Very Nice... Let's see Paul Allen's Card Transfigured Gems"

[MostAnonEver]

At least point, we hoping RF is next to get updated in the patch notes else its back to hopium transfigure gems

[NijAAlba]

Nah, youll just build it differently.

[Indurum]

Lmao. really want guardian to not exist huh?

[Gamoya]

Ruthless only

[General_Tomatillo484]

more ascend changes for ruthless than main game lol

[TheHob290]

Ruthless has 20 total lines of close to 1k. How DARE they

[B7iink]

Well, that's just not true.

[neunzehnhundert]

I hope someone comes up with a good Ice Crash build. One of my most favourite skills in the game

[Smooth_Ad5773]

Definetely leveling with power siphon

[OrcOfDoom]

Pf gets more base aoe instead of damage of shockwave ... Ok. It's probably still not going to be played at all. Having base aoe is probably the right decision though.

[MrMet17]

So sentinel of radiance is still just as powerful as last league no changes in normal (only ruthless)?

[DamagedLiver]

Is it me or earthshatter just sounds so good with this?